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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« on: January 05, 2017, 02:41:46 AM »
Oooh boy. You're going to get a million and one answers, lol. ;)

For me personally, the "best" was any of Dell's "UltraSharp" model LCD monitors, especially those that work in native (4:3) aspect ratios (not widescreen), 19" or 20" screensize. This matched more closely with my most commonly used screenmodes. Look for models with the fastest refresh rates possible.

Of course other people swear by CRT's for an Amiga, and you'll get even more differences of opinion if you talk about wanting to play games vs productivity apps, etc.

Good luck! :)
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 05:20:45 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 02:42:39 AM »
BTW - look up the "removing the resistor" hack for PII's, if using an LCD.
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 03:43:28 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819081
And it might be you can connect two monitors to the beast.

That is incorrect.  The second DB15 port is for a switched pass-through input from the Amiga's native graphics output.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 03:51:38 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 03:54:37 AM »
I owned two Picasso II's before trading up to my Spectrum.  They're not bad cards, really, but I could never get the input on the switcher to play nice with the output from my Indivision ECS (I wanted to use only a single monitor for all screenmodes - the PII is not a scandoubler - if you feed it 15KHz input, it will output 15KHz, unlike the more advanced PIV cards).  I tried two different versions of PII and even had some correspondence with Jens, but eventually gave up and got the Spectrum card, instead.

You want to use the latest Picasso96 software with it, which I think you already have a link to download, and if I recall correctly you've already learned how to set different screenmodes.  For me the best balance of performance vs quality was around 800x600x16-bit or 1024x768x8-bit, but of course your expectations may vary and you may choose to set up a screenmode that's completely different, with a monitor that's completely different, lol.

BTW - don't use segmented memory mode on the things.  Yes, you can.  But no, you shouldn't.  ;)
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2017, 04:11:45 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819086
I know video, Mike.

Okay, (1) please stop talking down to me, and (2) you are wrong.  There is one video input on the Picasso II, which is used for the passthrough video input from the native Amiga graphics chipset (or from a compatible scandoubler), and one video output - which is used to connect to a standard "VGA-style" monitor (or some other device of their choice - such as a projector, HDMI converter, etc.).   Your previous post came up with some cockamamie malarkey about being  able to connect two monitors directly to the PII, which will not work for OP and  only confuses things.

You've obviously never owned one of these cards, so go google it.

PS - I have the manual in English, too.  :p
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 04:31:30 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 05:16:19 AM »
The Picasso II card does not have two discreet video outputs, "conjectural" my ass.  You made an assumption based on a manual that's not in English, you were wrong.  Here you go, from the manual, in English.  Pictures attached.  I really wish you would stop posting erroneous information in the forum.

And I never suggested a 24" anything.  Couldn't care less what OP gets, it's entirely up to them and their particular needs.

Quote from: Pat the Cat;819090
Now, have you ever had a true analog video mixer? Mixed flawlessly between muliple sources? That's what you wanted to do

Wrong.  Like many Amiga graphics cards, the Picasso II has a built-in video switcher designed for just such purposes.  Have you ever used one?  Hint: it's a switcher, there's no mixing involved.  :p

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« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 05:22:05 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 05:18:31 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819090
You don't need to own stuff to Google it and form an opinion.

True.  A wrong opinion, perhaps,  but an opinion nonetheless.  :lol:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2017, 05:29:13 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819090
Ever tried to run a VGA signal 50 meters? That's kind of tricky. Same with HDMI. Phono can travel further, and SVGA is good up to that sometimes, but you probably didn't know that, either.

Hows about SECAM? Or automated VTR capture / playback / mixing?

You owned a couple, OK. You got something better, fair enough. GFX cards have their uses and abilities, but if you got one performer, it's not the same thing as working with orchestras, you dig the metaphor?

Blah blah blah.  How is any of this relavant to OP's question?  But thanks for telling me again "what I don't know".  :angryfire:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 05:31:40 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819097
So, what is wrong with the opinion that you can wire up one, two, or as many monitors as you want, to a P2?

Well, you can plug a monitor into the input line on the PII if you want, but as the manual itself states, it won't work.  But good luck with that! :lol:

I don't know why you're even carrying on with this pointless argument.  You made an erroneous assumption based on a picture from a manual that you can't even read (as you stated yourself).  I wrote that you were wrong, so as not to derail the thread and confuse OP about how they can hook up monitors to their video card.  Instead of just admitting that you were wrong you had to point out "all the things I don't know".  But, thanks for that.  No idea how I managed to get an engineering degree with all the stuff I don't know! :roflmao:
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 05:56:47 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2017, 05:38:11 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;819100
Again, failed to answer my question. What is a reasonable expectation of distance of the run of a VGA cable?

Remind me again, what does that have to do with OP's question about looking for a monitor recommendation that will work well with their particular graphics card?

Are you having fun trolling me?  Don't you have any better hobbies?  Oh well, at least all the comments will keep OP's post at the top of the forum, where they're more likely to get some actual, intelligent answers.  :laughing:
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: Best Monitor for PicassoII Card
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2017, 05:47:22 AM »
Well Pat, you are are clearly a towering juggernaut of intellectual superiority.  After careful consideration, the only thing I have to say about your scurrilous rant is, you're an  idiot.  Do you have any more insults you'd like to throw my way before I  put you back on the block list?  :)
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