ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

What the he** are you people smoking?  What classic Amiga software requires 2GB of RAM?  What classic Amiga system will ever have that much memory?  Stick however much memory on this new card as you can to hit the price/performance "sweet spot" you're looking for.  More is always better, of course.  

Also, I am firmly of the opinion that all of you have completely misconfigured computers and web browsers, if you're having these memory leaks and all these other problems.  For the record, here is a screenshot of my Opera browser, displaying 99 open tabs and using only 2.4GB of memory, with zero performance issues.  What can I say?  I'm really ADD.  

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I also do not see the point in limiting fast RAM, just go for 2GB and be done with it.

Oh hell man, why stop there?  I can buy a 32GB stick of DDR3 at Newegg for $500.  Why not just SMD those chips directly onto the new accelerator?  Never mind that that would jack up the cost of the thing by at least that much.  It's a cost/benefit analysis.  ECON 100.  

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

No.  Wrong.

The reason you don't put 32GB of RAM on an Amiga is because Amiga is just like your Phone.  It is a 32-bit computer and has a hard limit of 4GB of addressable memory space.  So the most you could realistically use on an Amiga is 3GB.

No.  Wrong.

Bank switching has been around for decades.  Or set it up as a ram disk.  Or a RAD:.  There's ways it could be used.

Also, we were pointing out with humorous over-exaggeration the absurdity of your previous claims that all web browsers/graphics programs/music programs "require" 2GB of memory.  Which is just absolutely ridiculous and not true.

You've got a bad attitude, buddy.  I get that you're some "great programmer" of a game no one can play because they don't have 2GB of memory in their classic systems.  I also understand that you've had a lot of health issues making you grumpy, but I've got metal plates and screws holding my spine together, so I'm pretty grumpy, too, but I still suck it up and play full-contact sports every day.  So if you crawled out from under your rock just to tell people they're "No. Wrong." all the time, you can go back to it.

Whatever, I'm done here.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

A600 is a 32-bit computer.
A600 can ONLY run 32-bit software.
A600 has 16 general purpose 32-bit registers.
A600 only understands 32-bit RAM.
A600 can move 32-bits of data from point A to point B in a single instruction because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 has a 4GB ram barrier just like all 32-bit computers, because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 runs many thousands of 32-bit softwares because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 cannot run 64-bit software because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 cannot run 24-bit software because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 cannot run 16-bit software because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 cannot run  8-bit software because it is a 32-bit computer.
A600 cannot run  4-bit software because it is a 32-bit computer.

[snip rest of rant]

The Motorola 68000 ("'sixty-eight-thousand'"; also called the m68k or Motorola 68k, "sixty-eight-k") is a 16/32-bit[1] CISC microprocessor core designed and marketed by Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector (now Freescale Semiconductor). Introduced in 1979 with HMOS technology as the first member of the successful 32-bit m68k family of microprocessors, it is generally software forward compatible with the rest of the line despite being limited to a 16-bit wide external bus.[2] After 35 years in production, the 68000 architecture is still in use.

- From Wikipedia.

Or if you prefer:  "M68000 8-/16-/32-Bit Microprocessors User's Manual" from Freescale's own website.  

http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/ref_manual/MC68000UM.pdf

This is almost kind of fun.  I don't even have to try to prove your statements incorrect.  

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

ChaosLord is right, the rest of you are ignorant clueless dumbasses, and you insist on proving that fact over and over and over again on these forums. It hurts reading all this ignorance, you guys have been here long enough to wise up already!!!

I say the same thing every time I see any of your posts.  :furious:

...and thread being locked by a mod in 3... 2... :roflmao:

:griping: :griping: :griping:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Odd, the Wikipedia site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500) states, "It utilizes a Motorola 68000 microprocessor running at 7.15909 MHz (NTSC) or 7.09379 MHz (PAL). The CPU is 32-bit internally, but uses a 16-bit data bus and 24-bit address bus, providing a maximum of 16 MB of address space."

Granted there are differences between an A600 and an A500, but 16 MB to 2 GB must have folks screaming (as in this thread) to the Wiki site to fix their information to make the A600 address 32-bits on a 24-bit address bus.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/68000/

CPU-World says the same thing.  But clearly it doesn't matter how many links to the correct information you post, if people insist on being ignorant.  :roflmao:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Wait, wait, I've got one more good one.  I've saved this flyer for over 20 years, for just this moment of Internet fame!  But clearly even Commodore was wrong when they called it 16/32-bit, right?  :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

No Commodore was not wrong, noone here is wrong except you guys who wave around arguments that mind boggingly speak against you, to "win" a discussion on a topic you clearly understand very little of. It is mind dumbing to witness.

Ibrowse needs 2048MB
All web browsers need 2048MB
All gfx softwares need 2048MB
Professional Audio softwares need 2048MB
A600 is a 32-bit computer.
A600 can ONLY run 32-bit software.
A600 only understands 32-bit RAM.
A600 has a 4GB ram barrier just like all 32-bit computers, because it is a 32-bit computer.

This thread so full of absurdity and exaggeration that it's almost laughable.  Next you guys will be saying "My A600 can go to the moon... when I strap on my optional Aerojet Rocketdyne RS-25 engine upgrade."  :laugh1:

Where's my popcorn?  :laugh1:

Oh well, carry on, OP.  Demo looks very nice!  

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with lack of developers?  But hey, more ram is always good, especially if you're buying!  :pint:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

This is would absolutely be possible to turn all your existing old AMIGAs into 64bit systems.

Oh snap! :banana:

Can you go into any more detail about what this would entail?  I assume at minimum every application would need to be re-coded?  Or would it be that existing applications would still run, and you'd just have the option to write 64-bit programs as well?  Sort of like how Windows 64-bit can run either 64-bit or 32-bit software?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Here is a link to the next add-on for the Vampire:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cray-1-Supercomputer-Memory-Board-Re-Engraving-Certificate-of-Authentically/111586542735?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28795%26meid%3Dc556e9e6caa841aba49adc5e0e8a8752%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D251832508033

It won't add that much to the cost...

I was looking last night they have a whole Cray on there, starting at $12,000 (plus the need for a truck to haul it for you).  I'm sure @kolla and @ChaosLord would be glad to front the costs of that.  :roflmao:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Well, I think it is pretty dumb to be loud and gloating about issues one have limited knowledge about, and when it is repeated and repeated, with a rudiculing and patrionizing tone too, yeah - dumbass is a pretty mild term I think.

Dude, quit trolling.  You and ChaosLord have clearly been proven wrong.  You have not backed up one single claim with any sort of valid statistic.  Take your public shaming like a man, and kindly STFU and get off this thread, so it can return to the more civilized discussion it was becoming last night.  :whack:

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I am not trolling. Everything you have posted clearly says all the way that m68k is a 32bit architecture to run 32bit instructions, and for anything AmigaOS compatible - 32bit addressing - I cannot believe we must have this old stupid argument after all these years!!!

But - whatever - if it makes you happy to think 68000 is not 32bit enough for you, then keep believing, just stop the evangelizing of misinformation!

I have a Minimig, a so called A500 clone, with a 68SEC000 CPU - is it 32bit enough?

Dude, you're a joke.  Motorola's own product literature states that the 68000 has a 16-bit data bus and a 24-bit address bus, and a maximum of 16MB of address space.  I've backed this up with links to Wikipedia and CPU-World.  Even Commodore's own product literature from the era calls the 68000-driven A500 a "16-bit computer" or a "16/32-bit computer".  All of this was to refute ChaosLord's absurd claims that (among other things) "a standard A600 is fully 32-bit and can support 4GB of memory".  Which it can't.  Sorry, it just can't.  Not in standard, unmodified form.  Sure, if you hack in some other kind of processor, you can increase its limits.  And many people have done this.  Not rocket science.  But a stock A600 is not a fully 32-bit computer and cannot support 4GB of RAM.  Sorry you got all butt-hurt about that.

This is really, pretty simple.  As you say, "I cannot believe we must have this old stupid argument after all these years!!!" and polluting this other guy's interesting thread with "Internet arguments".  Bye.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Niding said "I think the majority of the posters here would be more than happy to have their A1200 upgraded to 060 and 64 megs." which may very well be true, but I'm not one of them.

Then go away so @biggun can talk about his new card.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I didn't need a 1.25 GB HDD for my A1200 in 1994 but I still went for it. You always find a use for more resource.

Incidentally, that drive still works 21 years later

Fantastic!  What's the make & model of that puppy?