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Offline Matt_H

Re: What would Commodore UK have done?
« on: July 05, 2010, 03:23:42 AM »
David Pleasance and co. were a very smart bunch. CD32 was doing extremely well in the UK at the time of the bankruptcy. No doubt they would have leveraged that to continue production of the important product lines and keep West Chester engineering intact to finish AAA and designs beyond.

I give Escom a lot of credit for what they were able to accomplish (without them there'd be far fewer 4000Ts in the world and NOS supplies of 1200s would be long, long gone), but there was too much momentum lost regarding engineering. Even if the Walker had reached production I'm not sure it would have had enough power by the time it would have been available.
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: What would Commodore UK have done?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2010, 07:28:43 AM »
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Back in the day I allways thought about Mr Pleasance the same way as I would later about Bill&Barry.

Lots of hot air, especially betweem their ears, but a big talent for (mis)leading the public.


The fact that Commodore UK had the business savvy to not only stay afloat, but be outright profitable in the face of otherwise total corporate collapse proves their competence to me.

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Yep Escom did a 'good job' (far better than anyone else to-date), apparently they even thought about reviving the CD32 but their market research dept advised them it would be a waste of time due to the imminent arrival of a certain game changing console from Sony.


Yeah, that was probably a good choice. If they'd gotten it back on sale in early 1995 it might have stood a chance, but by early/mid 1996 when their other production lines got going again, it would have been an utter failure.
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: What would Commodore UK have done?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2010, 05:54:50 PM »
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Back in the days C= UK was dwarfed by C= Germany, and the only reason why UK stayed afloat longer was because they still had huge stocks. Just like Petro's division of selling NOS A1200 was far more profitable than anything else during Gateway and Amino-Amiga.


I guess the question is, then, how was it that C= UK managed to get such a large stockpile? Or was it a normal-sized stockpile, but seemed large relative to the shortages happening in North America, and presumably elsewhere, just prior to the bankruptcy? My utterly baseless theory is that since they actually had an understanding of marketing and retail distribution, they had enough money flowing in to keep their parts suppliers financially appeased and were able to have a more regular production schedule (at the Scotland factory, maybe?). And I thought they were able to do this because they had the most operational/financial autonomy from West Chester out of any of the international divisions. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Those guys running C= Germany ended up at Escom btw.

C= UK knew how to make alot of fuss, but they failed getting the money together for a serious bit, and buying C= would have been the cheap part of any Amiga-revival. Remember how much time effort and money Escom spent just to get the A1200 back into production and even that would have been dwarfed by the cost of actually developing an AAAA,Hombre, whatever chipset.


I think C= UK and Creative Equipment International (Commodore's US distributor) failed to realize with their bids that there would be external interest in what they believed to be an internal credit crisis. It seemed like they each had the money to pay off the creditors and stabilize the company, but didn't expect it to be acquired out from under them.

If I'm remembering correctly, Escom picked up a bunch of Commodore veterans as employees, but they didn't do much to leverage business expertise outside of Germany. I wonder if they had collaborated more with C= UK (or as someone else mentioned, C= Canada) they would have been able to get production going sooner/cheaper. That might be oversimplifying things, though, given the huge mess Mehdi Ali left behind.

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Bunch of megalomaniacs.

No comment :)

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Far more interesting is what would have been if Samsung had gone through with their bid ....


They were still a small player in the electronics market back then, were they not? I expect we would have seen something set-top-box-like, probably tied more to the chipset than the OS.