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Offline Matt_H

Re: Project Timberwolf - Firefox for AmigaOS4.1
« on: September 30, 2009, 02:40:51 AM »
Sorry to bring down the mood, but...

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Because of the unrealistic terms and conditions of the AmiZilla
bounty, it was decided to start a new bounty only for AmigaOS 4.1
and beyond. Thus this bounty is in no way related to AmiZilla.
Are you kidding me? Clean code, OS3/OS4/MOS compatibility, and a split of bounty funds proportional to individuals' effort involved are "unrealistic terms"? If there's one thing we Amigans are great at, it's wasting resources on duplicate efforts. Is it really so unreasonable to have a single bounty for Mozilla on the Amiga? Even an OS4-only version of AmiZilla is still worth ~$2500.

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The port should not depend on any emulation techniques like using an X server or GTK; the goal is to make a real port that has as many AmigaOS specific features as possible.

Good! I assume that means it won't be using any of those sloppy SObjs either.

Again, sorry about the negativity. Sincere kudos to the developers for their milestone, but can't we have some Amiga-wide cooperation for once?
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: Project Timberwolf - Firefox for AmigaOS4.1
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 01:57:57 AM »
Ho boy, I really stirred up a hornet's nest with this one. Let's see...

I feel like the new bounty makes the AmiZilla bounty redundant, which means all that money remains in permanant limbo status, useless. If they're asking the community to contribute funding to the project, then it would have been nice if they had respected the community's existing funding mechanism by allowing everyone who contributed to AmiZilla to get some kind of tangible return on their investment.

That's not to say the developers can't, or even shouldn't set things up the way that's most advantageous to them (the Firefox card in OS4's deck would do much good attracting users/sales from outside the community). Starting their own bounty ( With blackjack, and hookers! ) just struck me as... impolite.

But I can already imagine scores of others from outside the community laughing derisively at the Amiga's collective failure to collect an easy paycheck, and at keeping the project closed and static rather than trying to integrate it into the regular Firefox build tree as has been done with NetSurf.

And why does compatibility across Amiga platforms matter? How about being able to share user/developer resources and testing platforms to iron out bugs and improve the overall product? Even if a 68K version is too slow for real hardware, it'd be a great asset for WinUAE or bootable x86 Amiga emulation environments.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Let the celebrating resume.
 

Offline Matt_H

Re: Project Timberwolf - Firefox for AmigaOS4.1
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 02:24:23 AM »
Quote from: Karlos;524373
Ok, this is off topic but IMHO, supporting shared objects was one of the best new features I've seen from a developer perspective. Existing library/interface methods just don't seem to have what it takes to support shared C++ code. Without them, you end up having to static link C++ object code, making your executables huge.


As a developer, I think your opinion holds more weight, but, as I've said elsewhere, from a user perspective, they really bring down the parsimony of the system. I really don't like having to maintain both Libs: and SObjs:, especially since every .so I've looked at doesn't have an Amiga version string. It might help if they belonged in Libs: or Libs:SObjs instead of SObjs:, but I'm not sure.