More Chipram

[leirbag28]

@stopthegop

I am with you 100%   I totally believe it can be done........and quite easily too.........I dont care what anybody says..even if it seems to defy logic...........if WinUAE can do it.so can a real Amiga.even if it has to be emulated.......the system doesnt seem to be told that there is extra chipRAM.......it just uses it....as in WinUAE............so it will be the same o Amiga I think..................you can just Run for instance CAPITAL PUNISHMENT while having 10 applicatons running without having to tell the system anything..........at leats thats how it is on WinUAE.

I have heard so many people throw Technical Jargon my way throughout my life.............they were all mostly wrong......

I guess us New Yorkers Think alike eh?  what part of New York are you in?  


@Flashlab
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 There shouldn't be a specific need for it either. Why do you want it?
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There is definitely a need for more ChipRAM......Amigas would be so much more productive.especially for me in which I run about 4 applications at once an Night Clubs and Parties.................I VJ and I use SCALA MM300, Elan Performer, MindEYE, and Trip-A-Tron all at once.....and it totally helps especially SCALA if I have more ChipRAM.

Nevertheless.............Imagine using Final Writer and True Brilliance to create stuff to place in Final Writer?  you run out of ChipRam easily.

I specifically like switching from SCALA and Brilliance or True Brilliance to see what I create for SCALA.

Trust me....its usefull!

[leirbag28]

@d0pefish

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And who needs ChipRAM anyway? It's slow as hell compared to Fast. Ever see a piece of Amiga software that needs more than 2MB Chip?
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Have I ever seen any software that needs more that 2mb Chip?

hmmm.............lets see:

1. Viewtek (when viewing larger pictures)
2. Brillance (if you want to paint larger pictures)
3. Capital punishment (would be nice if I didnt have to close all windows and put less colors on workbench just to boot the thing)
4. Zool 2 AGA  (same as Capital punishment)
5. Super Street Fighter 2 TURBO (Same as Capital Punishment)
SCALA MM300 (try doing certain wipes with HAM8 pics.Youc ant!.......this app alone is worth the extra ChipRAM)
6. The one and only  VIDEO TOASTER!  (this definitely can do with more chipRAM)
7. Simply to open MULTIPLE SCREENS at once to do heavy duty Jobs as needed by todays standards just to slightly keep up or compete.
8. WORKBENCH needs more CHipRAM if you want to use it with 256 Colors and PNG icons to make it look its best and still fuction! ....... who wouldnt love this?


 I dont care if ChipRAM is slow....it is great just to have it...........if the MegaCHIP can be invented to give A500 2mb Chip............then so can the ULTRA MegaCHIP with 8mb ChipRAM be invented.


 It can be Done..........Do my Words defy logic?  to some probably...........but many will tell you here that God doesnt exist..........to them it defies Logic and science and cant it cant be proved to them.   But seeing and experiencing is believing.  it is obvious we don't have knowledge of what we haven't seen.... so hence we think it's not possible.   No scientist can do tests on a Spiritual realm.............so their explanation is: It Doesn't Exist.

Since I know for sure that it does..........it simply tells me man cannot be trusted in his limited capacity.

Simply put...........I have heard Nay Sayers before....and many have been proven wrong...I don't care what people know about the Amiga...............what I care about is what they DON'T know..............all angles have not been examined.

I believe this can be achieved on an AGA machine, even if AAA has to be imitated in software or hardware.....bottom line is I believe the CD32 I own and the A600 I own can be made to have more ChipRAM one way or another without replacing the entire motherboard.

Heck...........I even believe you can use USB and make it work to the full on aplain A600 @ 7mhz, despite the fact they say you need at least 68030.  Baloney!

Think of it this way .....(this is what I mean about thinking outside the box).....  some will tell you that you need a 68040 at least to play MP3's at a decent speed.  But here is what I say to them:

Explain to me how is it I am playing 18bit Mp3's on my plain A600 @ 7mhz?   its called the MASPlayer!.... yes I know your thinking....."ah but thats external hardware blah blah blah"  Yes.......but its done aint it?

Same can be done with USB...........an external processor that plugs into the Amigas Parrallel and serial and processes the speed it needs etc.....sort of like a USB decoder the way one would have a hardware DVD decoder.

and the same can be done with ChipRAM.......and external Card, if need be.... like the Graffitti Gfx Box..........that plugs into the RGB port and gives more color and more ChipRAM.

Thats How !!    

its thinking: OUTSIDE THE BOX!.....

In this case....Literally !  ....outside the Amiga case :-)........ in some cases. :-P


 So as I said...I believe It can be Done!

[leirbag28]

@LoadWB

I know its a limitation in the hardware................I understand that...

Sega Genesis also had limited hardware.....then they came out with the 32X ! and the gfx improved.... and so did the speed....same machine! ...just extra add ons!...........the Super NINTENDO had certain capabilities............then came StarFox and Killer Instinct and Donkey Kong Country!  Add-ons in the Cartidge that exapnded the capability of the SNES..........Same machine! just extra hardware!  Just like the MAS Player and Graffiti card for Amiga....or even the DCTV

The DCTV is an excellent example of what I am talking about!...........the Amiga Displays a 16 color picture..yet it is spit out in 16 million colors faster than it would if it was actually displaying 16 million colors...how did they do it?  thinking outside the Box!

Same can be done with ChipRAM..........I suspect it would be a Hardware software Combo.........the Hardware would be like the MegaChip or even the Graffitti....and the Software would be like AmigaDE or Java.........making the computer think its something its not...............if my understanding of AmigaDE is right.......the software supposedly lets any machine think its one machine..........in other words...write one application.........and as long as you have AmigaDE on any machine..........the Machine will think its the machine the software was written for.

It will be similar with ChipRAM...except in this case, the Software will let the REAL Amiga think it is WinUAE!.....  Possible???  I think definitely!


@xeron

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The hardware limitations of the classic Amiga has NOTHING to do with spiritualism or religion
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No, I know it doesnt............I used it as an illustration of how I know you cant believe everything everyman says, even the the So called "Experts" and I dont fall for nay saying all the time.  People love to be negative by nature.

Since in my experience I seen with my own eyes how people purposely blind themselves to the Evidence of God time and time again or even so miss the simplest proof and claim to have high scientific evidence, but they dont,  I see the same comparison here....simpy because God is the highest thing you can possibly believe in.....everything else below it gets even silly-er to use as a comparison.  To put it simply.....the mind of Humans are simply flawed......I know it....and anyone who is honest would admit it.....it is a great thing to admit......because only then will your mind be opened even more.

So I know how it is mans nature to nay Say what they have not yet seen. That was my puspose in the illustration.

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    even if AAA has to be imitated in software or hardware.....
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This sentence is complete nonsense. Complete. Nonsense. Do you understand? Emulating a more powerful computer on a less powerful computer doesn't work. Do you think E-UAE running on an A500 would let you run AGA games at full speed? No. Even if you managed to get it to run somehow, you'd be talking hours per frame, not frames per second.
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It's not nonsense..............Im simply speaking of emulating the ChipRAM a AAA machine would have had and how it would have accessed it...........not the entire machine itself.

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    I even believe you can use USB and make it work to the full on aplain A600 @ 7mhz, despite the fact they say you need at least 68030. Baloney!
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USB doesn't go "to the full" on a 68030. The only USB 2.0 card for the Amiga is the Spider. You simply will not reach USB2.0 speeds on an 030. There is nothing stopping USB from working on a 7Mhz 68000 other than the lack of a 68000 USB stack. Write one and it'll work, but it won't be as fast as a USB card on a faster amiga.
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Still Baloney!

Some would say you need more than 14mhz on an Amiga in order to run Full frame 16 million color MPEG1..........I beg to differ!   behold!  the FMV card for the CD32!  Nuff Said!

Understand what I am saying here? a CD32 plays perfect VideoCD's...why?  because of a hardware addon....I can even play the Videos through SCALA or Workbench.the chips contained in the FMV card can probably make the card itself alone a full VCD player if you add a CD drive.

the same can be done with a USB card and made to be running at Full 2.0 speeds on a plain A600 @7mhz.  Those portable MP3 players that come in 256mb and up flavors prove this!  im sure they have an OS in there thats real tiny! ...and runs less than 7mhz.   I would even dare say its possible to use FireWire at full speeds on a plain A600 @ 7mhz..with an external box that does all the Data transfer (think of it as a FMV card for an A600 but the F in FMV stands for FireWire)
 it would be something similar to a VLAB parralel port version.


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    Explain to me how is it I am playing 18bit Mp3's on my plain A600 @ 7mhz? its called the MASPlayer!.... yes I know your thinking....."ah but thats external hardware blah blah blah" Yes.......but its done aint it?
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Fine. Thats a whole seperate independant audio chip outside of the Amiga. You want more "graphics memory"? Put a graphics card in your Amiga. Thats a completely seperate independant graphics chip with seperate video memory. You'll be able to run more graphic oriented apps at the same time. YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE BYTE MORE CHIP RAM, THOUGH.
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But thats what Im saying!  except it will be a completely seperate Graphics Chip if need be...........but indeed giving it more ChipRAM.


I am not saying any of this can be done for a FACT....I am just saying I believe it is definitely possible.

[leirbag28]

@motorollin

No I am not talkig about emulating WinUAE.........only the part that allows 8mb ChipRAM to be accesed.


@Flashlab

Im not a Jehovah's Witness (yes they are stuborn for slightly different reasons than evangelsists...they are a Cult)
........the reason for the "hardheadedness" of evangelsists is not because they are stubborn........it is because of their strong conviction in God.

Try convincing a person who saw a aghost and knows he saw a ghost, that he didnt actually see one.  Your gonna lose especially when it comes to the matter of the most important quetion in the universe "what happens after we die?"  you dont want to be second guessing this..........you want to actually "Know for sure"  Your soul depends on it.  its a matter of being wise and making sure your eternal destiny is secure........no matter who ridicules you....if there is a God, a Heaven and hell, then I will tell you what. They could care ess if there are people who dont believe...They want to make sure They dont find out the hard way.......by then its too late.

Their logic and most evangelist anyway, is: if you found a cure for AIDS, would you keep it to yourself? that would be awful.........God actually commands in the Scriptures......that if you have been forgiven..how can you not forgive? and the Good News you have heard about Christ.......go tell it to others.

understand my point?


I dont have any hardheadedness about this issue. I just think it should be done and it can be.... despite every logical reason mentioned here that it cant. If WinAUE can fool my Amiga applications.....then so can a peice of hardware.

[leirbag28]

@LoadWB

Thanks for that Link :-)

Quote from HazyDave:

In an emulator, of course, you can try to perfectly emulate an existing Amiga chip, but there's no reason you can also emulate chips that never existed. If it's a simple thing, like more Chip RAM, the OS already supports it, maybe with a little help (eg, it may not detect 8MB automatically, but it knows what to do with it when it's there).
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as you can see...according to him.......the OS already supports the 8mb ChipRAM!!  just like in WinUAE!   all my apps on WinUAE read the extra ChipRAM! and as you can see he says its possible :-P



Quote from HazyDave:
If someone built an add-on that could perfectly replicate the function of the custom chips, there no reason they couldn't support 8MB of Chip RAM, of course. However, this is inherently a hack, because the only place you can all the signals needed to replace the three chips is at the chip bus itself. You'd have to physically replace the custom chips, you couldn't do this on a Zorro card, at least not without big software changes (interrupts you can't generate on the expansion bus, things like that).
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As you can see....according to him it is possible by replcacing the custom chips! a not too difficult task on the A500 and some Amigas! just as I have been saying all along.

as someone here said:

The Master Has Spoken :-)


is this thread over?  Nothing is impossible!

[leirbag28]

@Piru

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However, the OS itself does not scan more than 2MB, you need to manually add the rest.
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Oh really?  let me tell you a little story...........i once pulled out my Harddrive from my REAL Amiga and slapped it into a PC and ran WinUAE and ran my REAL Amiga hardrive in WinUAE.........I was using Workbench 3.1....I didnt change a darn thing about my Workbench...........but there it read on WinUAE  8Mb ChipRAM in all its glory!!!  so your telling me the OS itself does not scan more than 2mb ChipRAM?

It does!.........and according to HazyDave it does!.

Workbench will read more than 2Mb and it supports it just as he said. Put your very own Amiga OS hardrive from a real Amiga into a PC (dont use AmigaKit or AIAB)  then you will see Workbench definitely supports it...........and WinUAE emulates the Extra chipRAM.


Even all my applications ran and used the extraChipRAM without any patches and such. and the Games too!

[leirbag28]

@Piru

I am not putting words into his mouth:

" If it's a simple thing, like more Chip RAM, the OS already supports it, maybe with a little help (eg, it may not detect 8MB automatically, but it knows what to do with it when it's there)."


Thats what he said...............and I also believe its true....and WinUAE is proof of it.

one can even create a WinUAE tiny Hardware box if need be to emulate the ChipRAM the way WinUAE does without any strain on the REAL Amiga's CPU.

Is this not possible? I think it is.  Maybe that is what someone should do.  Create a WinUAE card that plugs into Parralel or serial or wherever it needs to go and Do ChipRAM some Justice!   I would see it as a box like the LightRAVE that allowed one to use the VideoToaster software on a Non Toaster equipped Amiga.  One might as well add extra features to while they are at it.

How about you Jens?  can you do something like this? a WinUAE ChipRAM emulator box?  as small as a MASPlayer maybe?

We need more ChipRAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How I wish I was a coder and electronics engineer. ...

[leirbag28]

@Piru

@leirbag28
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    and I also believe its true....and WinUAE is proof of it.
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Of course it is true. But you claimed AmigaOS would detect the 8MB automagically ("so your telling me the OS itself does not scan more than 2mb ChipRAM? It does!.........and according to HazyDave it does!"). It does not, WinUAE has special code for the >2MB area. If the code wasn't there, AmigaOS would only see 2MB chip memory.
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Piru.......Thats what I am saying! to add this very same special code that WinUAE uses for the 2MB area but to a real Amiga, either in software (Because WinUAE is software aint it?  and it works!)  or in a Special Hardware that attaches to the custom Chips that emulates WinUAE in hardware so that there is no strain or slowdown on the Amiga side.  WinUAE is doing the Work of allowing my REAL Amiga Hardrive to see the extra chipRAM as if it were native 8mb ChipRAM....I find this amazing yet simple........and I am saying this very same code can be made into a Hardware box and smacked onto or piggybacked onto the custom chips to fool it to see 8Mb ChipRAM, even if it has to be taken from FastRAM or have its own ChipRAM on the WinUAE hardware (I prefer that) I am proposing.


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    one can even create a WinUAE tiny Hardware box if need be to emulate the ChipRAM the way WinUAE does without any strain on the REAL Amiga's CPU.
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Naturally. But this box will be 100% isolated from the real Amiga. It will not add any chip memory to the Amiga.
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 I believe it would add more ChipRAM just as I explained above the same way WinUAE does it.

[leirbag28]

@Zac67

Yes I do know how hardware differs from software..................so are you saying software cant be made into hardware?

Because it can be....how do you think DVD players work? standalone ones?   they are not being run from WindowsXP ya know?
They have their own little OS inside the hardware.  Thats what Im talking about!

Think of it this way.........WinUAE installed onto a Cartridge where it stays permanently.......then circuits are made around it to attach to the custom Chips............does that sound ridiculous to you?

Doesn't a melody Sound Card attach to the Amiga Hardware?  Doesn't a Full Motion Video Card attach to the CD32 giving it MPEG1 VideoCD capability?   well to make things simpler.....lets just talk about an imaginary FMV card for the CD32.......except its a WinUAE card with the software embedded into it specifically just for the ChipRAM emulation...............making sence?  it should make sence.  ....someone just has to make it and accessible in an AmigaOS kind of way, or CD32 kind of way in this case.

Seriously....think about it for a second what I am saying.............it can work...........forget all the technical stuff you know. I think what I am saying makes perfect sence to him who is willing to understand.

Dont they have E-UAE now for Amiga 68k?   well we are getting closer! imagine that on a CompactFlash (Hardware) with a Special WinUAE "necessitites" decoder.......and you start to get the idea.

[leirbag28]

@stopthegop

True

I guess I will just keep it quiet for now........past this point its just arguing.

lets just see if one gets created.

I think it might :-)