PAL A1200 in the US?

[leirbag28]

@mr_a500


Get NTSC4NTSC for Aminet and alot of Your PAL problems will be solved!

I can play Klondike on my Amiga in NTSC mode yupee!

If youhave a AGA machine just type:  NTSC4NTSC FORCENTSC

and that will force all PAL programs into NTSC Atoscroll screens so that you can see all the lines.

if you have an ECS machine, type:  NTSC4NTSC  USEAUTO
and i will do he same as I dont think the FORCENTSC part works on ECS.


Also you can ge a Philips  or Magnavox TV. When in PAL mode they shrink the Image to fit NTSC screens!
no all of them do it, so test i first with an A600 in hand like I do :-)  I just hold both mouse buttons and the boot menu comes up..then just tap a key for PAL and again for NTSC

I also have a Magnovox RGB monitor that was made for Amiga..it shrinks the image also automatically!



Haha.........I just sold my Commodore 64 DTV to someone local who just rang my bell as I was typing this................Gave it away for $7

I know where to get NTSC units!


here is a link of the item I just sold:  (off topic, I know :-)

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/132577986.html

[leirbag28]

@alenppc


No matter what you do to an NTSC 1084s, You will never see the whole PAL picture......specifically the extreme ones.


@mr_a500

WHDload is a whole different story as well as Babenoid.
But what About Techno SOund Turbo?  Protracker? Klondike? Fantastic Dreams/Elastic Dreams?   MASPlayer software and hundreds of other Apps hat only com in PAL?

Trust m NTSC4NTSC is the best I have seen so far.  it is instant unlike the hassle of Degrader in which you have to reboot.

it becoms even more usefull when using a TV with you Amiga.  and doing presentations as I do.

By the way I hav been usin ABCdir more and more.its becoming more usefull...........specifically when copying CD's on my CD32.......DMS2 causes my CD32 o crash every time!  and now finally I hae somethin that wont crash it!

I think it has to do with th fact  that DMS2 seems to be doin something to th CPU even when you are not using it...........Use SnoopDOS while DMS2 is open to see what I mean.  ABCDIR doesnt do that.

[leirbag28]

@dolescent

I will have to do some testing.


@Merc
I am not talking about just the refesh rate, I am talking about the screen size........the best way to understand what I mean is this:

Put your Amiga in NTSC 640 x 400 workbench........and adjust the screen so that you see a border about a centimeter around the 640 x 400 area.....now with some sort of erasable marker or pencil or whatever.......draw and trace the edges of the 640 x 400 area................now after doing that...........put your Workbench in PAL 640 x 512............notice the image is outside the Outline you just drew, though your monitor may be in 50Hz mode and you can probably adjust the sreen to see the Full PAL image...................................................................

But!  on My Magnavox (and probabaly the PHILIPS CMK monitors).....when I put it in PAL mode........it resizes the 640x512 to fit the exact outline of the 640x400 area the NTSC occupied  so that I dont have to adjust anything on my monitor!   I never seen a 1084 that does this although TJLazer says the Boxy one with the Blue commodore words does this.

This is the only TRUE time that Pal is actually Higher resolution.....on other RGB's is just more lines but not higher resolution.Higher resolution is More dots or pixels per inch.  But anyway this isnt a Higher res discussion.

in some cases some software has Overscan PAL or Extreme PAL that No NTSC Amiga Monitor can display.I will have to do research again to see which games or software they were.

I think Project X may be one......not sure

[leirbag28]

@mr_a500

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Of those, I only use Protracker and there is an NTSC mode for that.

You don't have to reboot with Degrader. Typing "degrader 50hz 50hzsystem noeditop" will switch to PAL mode. With PAL programs, if ModePro can't change modes for me, I make a script file (run with iconx) where I switch to PAL and when the program is finished, switch back to NTSC.

So my script file for BabeAnoid is like this:

c:degrader 50hz 50hzsystem noeditop
BabeAnoid.exe
c:degrader 60hz 60hzsystem noeditop

I've also got two ABCdir buttons for running Degrader - one for PAL, one for NTSC so I can do fast switches.

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1. There is an NTSC mode in ProTracker??   where?

2. Although its a brilliant Idea and I thought of doing something Similar using ToolsDaemon (Amiga's REAL Start Menu)  why not just use Nico Fracois's  PAL and NTSC commands??? Ten Billion times easier. You just Type PAL.and whalla! or Type NTSC and Whalla!  I have them both on my ToolsDaemon/Sytem/Commands menu.or you can write a script and replace the Word DEGRADER with PAL or NTSC accordingly


3.  The reason Fire And ICE and Babenoid are not working for you is either because you Dont have the necessary AGNUS Chip that displays REAL PAL (You can load and view them with old AGNUS but in NTSC cut off screen mode)  or Your Amiga is NOt being put into PAL mode At all though you tell it to.

I can see Babenoid just fine...........I know how you can know for sure 100%.......simply boot Babenoid in NTSV mode On Purpose!  and listen to the music..........now put it in PAL.........if the music is slightly slower.its in PAL...and if you still cant see the BAT then you are right about your monitor not being able to see full PAL.........and I am one of the lucky few to have a  Magnovox Instant PAL Squash mode  monitors :-D  but even then.........there are games with are  to extreme PAL mode that cant be viewed.

Use the PAL and NTSC commands as I said from Nico Francois if Degrader shows no results.

I can email them to you if you need them.

[leirbag28]

@mr-a500

Yeeehaaaa!

I was wrong about my Monitor.its better than I thought!  it display wayyyyy more than EXTREME PAL overscan!

Man this monitor is the BOMB!   is that politically incorrect? hehe

Magnovox/PHILPS monitors are the Best indeed........but personally I will probably take the guts out of this monitor and put it in a 1084s :-)


And Babenoid shows full screen on here.I can see the Bat and the score or numbers below it and even the black border underneath.

so either you have and old 1080 that someone stuck into your 1084 or the Amiga is NOT in PAL mode.as far as EXTREME PAL.........i still think 1084's cant display it.

[leirbag28]

@mr_a500

1. Im gonna have to locate that Protracker then

2. as far as PAL and NTSC from Nico Francois...........they DEFINITELY work for games for me.  For instance.......if I boot a game that will only work in PAL, such as RuffNTumble..and I just boot it...it will only go to the main menu....the game wont show............but if I execute the PAL command right before booting it....it works!  (I wish someone could make this game run in NTSC mode!  without the image shifting down!  Look at the Game OUTFALL!   Brilliant use of PAL and NTSC)

3. Well then, you got screwed with a cheap 1084 haha :-)

I do not Currently Have a 1084..........I have the American Version of the PHILIPS CMK8833 or whatever its called.......and its Labeled MAGNOVOX but its the same if not better, than the PHILIPS and any 1084s. I had the 1084, and 1084s D2and 1084s D1 and the Boxy 1084s..I have had them all.  Nothing beats this MAGNOVOX/PHILIPS except maybe a PHILIPS TV because although they lack RGB input.they do the same as this monitor which is shrink the PAL imgage.

[leirbag28]

@broken

Its not really a big problem. Get yourself an  NTSC A1200 and a 1084s and your done

I get buy really well with my CD32/SX32 Pro connected to a TV with S-Video..........S-Video is almost as clear as RGB.


I prefer PHILIPS or Magnovox Televisions as alot of them Display PAL if I need it.