Why not AmigaOS4 for x86 Platforms?

[leirbag28]

You know!  I was just thinking about this just yesterday!

and I never thought I would say this but:

Amiga OS4 would have been better off (especially for us AMigans) on a x86 platform.........not for the purpose of beating Windows.............but simply so more of us Amigans can afford to have OS4 because most of us already have PC's!!!!!!!

Then OS4 would have sold 10 times more.........BUT you want to know the REAL problem?

The problem REALLY is...........that the AmigaONE is NOT a REAL Amiga!.....if they were gonna go with the new route to creat a new machine..It should have been Amiga like (new custom chips and all) otherwise it would have beem better off ported to x86.............thats too late now.

Whats a REAL Amiga?  If it REQUIRES a PCI card to work......it aint an Amiga!
If it REQUIRES a GFX card..it aint an Amiga

What is a REAL Amiga then?  its a super high Powered Game Console disguised in a Computer case...thats the simplest way to describe it........and why so?  because a Console says this:

* No Drivers Required

* No gfx card Required (although it can have an option for it)

* No Sound Card Required (can have an option for it)

* No Joystick adaptors Required

* Can boot right from CDrom drive
has at least 2 joyports as standard.

* Everything is Autoconfig

* Doesnt need any upgrades just to get certain programs working (but can have an option for it)

and more logical stuff like this.......3rd party stuuf being as a requirement causes Crashes and OS incompatibility.in the end making the OS look like crap!  the same that happens to Windows and Macs and now even Amigas!

Yes....I used the Word Console because it gets the message across......and After All...the ORIGINAL A1000 was a CONSOLE! inside a Computer case..and look how great it was!!!

What are the only Computers in the World that don't crash?

Playstation 2
Playstation 1
Game Cube
N64
SNES
Genesis
XBOX

Get the picture?....imagine having a computer this stable?  we did!  it was called the A1000 and A500

tsk tsk tsk.............we cant afford to make such mistakes.........definitely not!

[leirbag28]

@bloodline

Yes.....but thats extremely rare and is probably fault of cheap components.
Nevertheless no where near how Amigas now crash.

My point still stands

[leirbag28]

@Karlos

No not an integrated PC (they suck too)

An I DO NOT agree with SOFTWARE based ROM updates.I prefer HArdware Kickstart!

For instance in Next Gen Amiga...they can put a simple small trapdoor to change the ROM

....This actually proves part of my Point.........I have had more trouble with this OS3.5/3.9 ROM update than any other Amiga ROM

and about the drivers..........those drivers are mostly for Workbench itself and the ones for hardware....at least its always for its own native hardware.....which gives it more room for precise improvement!  thats VERY important.....rather than trying to figure out someone elses Hardware that you added to your computer.

os 3.1 on a plain A1200,.............Beauty!!!!

[leirbag28]

@bloodline

"Not really... Amiga's have always crashed... "

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Yeah!  once you started adding 3rdparty stuff!


They rarely crash when the machine is made correctly and 3rd parties follow Commodores guidlines...or at the very least Crash much less

We used to run with this in the past and laugh at how much Windows used to crash and how our Amigas didnt or rarely did.............thats at least better than today.

[leirbag28]

@Karlos

How long would that take, and how much would it cost?
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it take alot less time than it took for this A1 to be released
and the mysterious OS4......thats for Sure!


"And by the time you did make a new chipset to rival even a mid range modern graphics/sound/io chipset, how far would they have moved on?"
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It would survive alot longer than an A1 G3.......look at the PS2 and Xbox.....how long has PS2 been out and still kicking? hahahaha th New iMac that was just released will kill any AmigaONE anyway.


"Furthermore, why would anybody do that when you can let them install the 'custom chips' of their choice?"
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then get a PC for that..thats what those trashy machines are for. and thats why they are trash..............cant even run anything correctly....always always always freezing and causing headaches..............no no no.............I dont agree my friend


"One word. Competition."
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Amiga will never have Competition with a PC.especially now



"The original amiga custom chips were fantastic in their day and even now are in many respects more flexible than their descendants. However, now in 2005, they are simply quaint. If you can't or won't accept this, then be prepared to be left further and further behind."
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Whos talking about OLD custom chips? I certainly aint....im speaking of an entirely New Genration custom chipset as standard....................socketed so that they can be upgraded by the parent comapny Amiga Inc................just like the Enhanced Chipset and AGA................except they would be much more advanced................and you saving tons of cash cuz your just changing the chips......you can channel that extra cash in your pocket for the Chips................and Amiga Inc pumping more money into the 2nd set of More SUPER powered Custom Chips would justify it...............cuz every Amigan has the same machine!!!!

[leirbag28]

@bloodline


"Games Console Chipset take millions to develop... Microsoft and Nintendo decided to use modified PC chips instead..."
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hmmm, they do?  how was Hi Toro able to do it? and even if they pumped Millions into it..........wasnt the A1000 worth it?  lok at the Following Amiga has now thanks to that.  Sometimes sacrifices are way more than worth it. Pump in the money I say if it needs to be...though I dont agree with you.


"You can't socket chips like that... as Chip tech improves..."
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Yes you can!..never say never, you will look bad in the future for saying so.

"so the supporting architecture needs to be improved to handle higher speeds and more signals..."
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Have as many things on the Mobo be replacable including crystals.....................or..................its time for a New Amiga to be released............in the same line as was an A1200 to the A500.............very simple, and people will appreciate it.


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And keep in mind..............any new G5 Amiga to be released will have a much longer life than any Mac or PC and doesnt need to be upgraded for more speed the way PC and Mac do.............its a silly game................and because Amigas are always faster because of its OS.....so it will have a longer life per release of system.

[leirbag28]

@x56h34

Hahaha, why on earth would you say something like that? im not a Troll if thats what your saying :-)

Im just a Hardcore Amigan

I dont think imitating PC's and their standards will get us anywhere..............we should be leaders in the Market and not be afraid to stick with what works.

(sure.I believe in supporting PCI cards and all..but just supporting...not requiring)

[leirbag28]

@Karlos

I understand all that................we need to learn from our past.

as Far as Macs........My brother is a Mac freak and practically owned every Mac in existance..................

PC's?  I use a Pentium 4 everyday..........It sucks incredibly..............Despite that its such a high powered machine............utterly amazing!

my CD32?SX32 functions better...........I use it instead for rendering and conversion because Pentiums suck.............there good when they work..........but they hardly work right.

Also.no one is saying the PC world hasn't broguht us Good things.

But let me end it like this: Do you think an AmigaONE will ever beat Macs or PC's?  or even better.do you think it will ever have the Status of the Classic Amiga?


I think you will agree that its NO.................something needs to change...............otherwise I say Buy a PC or Mac............why bother and waste your life!

EDIT:  Or release a G5 AmigaONE  at the minimum! and pump them out like crazy at lower prices..........buyers will come!...........if not..............I see a dark future ahead

[leirbag28]

@Karlos

"The biggest feeling of 'connection' is that the same OS4 runs on my A1200, and in the process does support AGA etc. This made the A1 simply seem like a beefier model than the classic, just as an A4K feels like a beefier A1200."
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I agree with that Karlos..and I agree it feels better than UAE for sure..........I want to buy an A1 myself..and the more I see it the more I want it, but I dont want to invest my money and then be embarrassed infront on my PC and Mac owning friends.............although I hardly doubt that as an A1 can already do stuff a Mac and PC cant do smoothly.

Nevertheless, I want to show off my Future A1 running mac OSX
the Price needs to be droppped Bigtime..........otherwise they will perish.

[leirbag28]

@x56h34

Well I actually agree..........I see A1's in action all the time and they look impressive...........Yes I still want custom Chips, but I also want Amiga Inc (the parent company to produce its own hardware)  Yeah yeah I know they dont have the money.........but thats on my wish list...............One comapany producing the machine calls for less problems and a more Official Amiga. And also support for Mainly the Best gfx card out there...put the other cards as second place when creating drivers............the ATI All in WOnder comes to mind.I prefer it over any N-Vidia card because if its ALL In ONE S-Video In and OUTS and TV tuner.  I have one on my PC

[leirbag28]

@aardvark

@DavidF215


Lets get together and form and Amiga based company shall we? :-D

[leirbag28]

@DavidF215

David, I think that would work, I have a friend who sells Video Toasters for their solutions.and there definitely is still a market for A1200. Just dont sell them as PC replacements but as dedicated machines for a certain task.................as a Character generator for instance.or as you very well said.

But if I ever get into the Amiga business it is with the Sole goal of removing PC's off the face of the earth........I'm not kidding...................I have a plan that I really believe will work if God permits.

This plan will free people from the Bondage of having to be concerned that they need to buy a new computer again because theirs is too slow............not only that but they will freely choose AmigaOS.

I wont mention the details but.............

[leirbag28]

@Karlos

"However, as a responsible adult, I feel I should instead warn you (as I believe Bloodline already has), to keep a safe distance from the microwave whilst it is operational."
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Actually thats how I got some of my Ideas..........I remember it Vividly.............I was Microwaving some Cambell's Soup and while waiting I sat close to the Microwave......then I had a Vision!  (My head was tingling at the time....dont know why)
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[leirbag28]

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[leirbag28]

@bloodline

"Firewire and decent software... infact WindowsXP comes with basic Movie making/edting software... Which I can use when I connect my mates camcorder via the firewire to my PC..."
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 The same Firewire and Decent software Would work Ten times better on a New G4 A1........you seem pretty happy with your PC...............then you dont really need anything from the Amiga world.
Personally I am not satisfied and have never been with a PC...it is always dissapointing. Especially when I find my Classic 68030 Amiga Outperforming it in many ways............real real sad!  I just imagine a Modern Amiga at comparable level with a PC............it would destroy it.

Anyway, PC's are about manking money..........so you get constantly ripped off.............this is also happening in the Amiga world but 10 fold..................I dont believe in that............a New Amiga should be your All In One do it All with Super high grade chips (yet still replacable incase they die)

We are so willing to pay much more for our Amigas because of the pleasure we get from running it on Amiga......because it amazes us that despite how old it was...............it still can do many modern things...........and do it nicely in an AmigaOS way.

AmigaOS (in a modern incarnation) really is the better OS amongst Windows and MacOS.......no one can ever tell me otherwise.