Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[Methuselas]

Since so many of you people, regardless of your "camp", are incapable of listening to reason, I'll let someone else spell it out for you:

All these years, all this time
We have been messing with your mind
you thought us, noble, rad and true
You just don’t have a fucking clue

All the humor, pun, and wit
A heaping, steaming pile of shit
With a smile and a wink
We make believe our poop don’t stink

Rip the system, revolution
Adding fuel to your confusion
Gobble up the crap we feed you
We don’t really love and need you

We just want your cold hard cash
Get our hands into your stash
Now show up, listen, and behold
Finally the truth be told

We’re only in it for the money
To dip our fingers in your honey
We pretend to no end
We are bitches for your riches

Blindsided by audacity
Of a handsome crook from Germany
A million sheets of patient paper
Chronicle his every caper
 
You never had us figured out
Lend stature, relevance and clout
Even called us pioneers,
When really we were privateers

You reveled in our plagiarism
Joined into the organism
Your pompousness and indecorum
Spewed on every online forum

How you dribbled, how you drooled
Priceless how we had you fooled
We hijacked your bedazzled souls
For ransom to be paid in gold

We’re only in it for the money
To dip our fingers in your honey
We pretend to no end
We are bitches for your riches

We’re only in it for the gain
Sex and drugs, and rock and roll fame
To parade the charade
We are jammin' for your mammon
We’re only in it for the encore
We want it all, and then some more
Men of deeds for proceeds
Prime booty is our duty

We just want your cold hard cash
Get our hands into your stash
Now show up, listen, and behold
Finally the truth be told

We’re only in it for returns
The greased palm never burns
Can’t get enough to stuff
The orifice of avarice

We’re only in it for the money
To dip our fingers in your honey
We pretend to no end
We are bitches for your riches

We are bitches for your riches


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Sascha Konietzko wrote this about the "fans" of KMFDM, on how they never quite got the message and how they used the band for their own, personal "agendas", which caused a lot of negative press and liability concerning the band. Numerous times, KMFDM has been at the forefront of negative press concerning stupidity of ignorant individuals (Columbine is a good example), when all they wanted to do was create music.

I think this song is rather poignant, as if you actually read into the lyrics, you can see what's happened in Amiga-Land for the past 10 years. It all started with a truck driver, named Big Mac, who had no idea how to run a company, much less what the original Amiga could do. What he saw, was money and he attempted to bleed the disenfranchised of everything they had, in the name of hope.

*EVERY* camp has its own "agenda". They're going to bash, scratch and claw the others to prove they're the "chosen successor", when in reality not a single one of them is truly "Amigan". They all do it their own way, but lets be honest, each one has a little piece of the other in it, in some way or another. They're all siblings, mainly due to AROS, but ironically, AROS is considered the "red-headed stepchild" of the three "brothers".

The X1000 is a commercial failure. It's target audience is the developers, not the community whole and if you can't see that, you're blind. It's over-priced and I think the several complaints about it being "north of 1500" sums it up. I could give you people a rundown of supply and demand, Marketing and Economics 101, but it's a waste of breath on my part, as the majority of you wouldn't even listen and I hate wasting my time.

So continue to fight, continue to brag about your sub-par OS being "the best", continue to spend exorbitant amounts of money on a "hobby", knowing each party has their grubby, little fingers in the pot as much as possible, bleeding you for very little in return and most of all continue to make me come here, to quietly laugh at and mock you for your rose-colored glasses, because most of you are incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

Enjoy!

PS - I'd like to point out, 'cos unlike some of you, I've been around here forever and pay attention to just about everything, that MorphOS was the original "successor" to OS3.9, when Big Mac took over. The reason it never happened was 'cos Genesi refused to brand the original Pegasos motherboard as "Amiga Only", intending to sell it as an alternative motherboard for "alternative" operating systems. That meant that Big Mac couldn't make any money off any Pegasos mobo that was sold with Linux.

Funny how no matter what, greed, subversion and guile always seem to play into the "future" (however pathetic that may be) of the Amiga......


:laughing:

[Methuselas]

Meanwhile, let the maniacs rant.

I'm just glad that somebody is trying to do something in the Amiga community.  
Weather anyone buys their product is another question.

"whether".

[Methuselas]

So all the more reason to support AROS

@ Runequester,

OT, but if you're ever around Burgerville, make sure you have a Tillamook for me.


Oh, AROS has my total support, as does MorphOS and even OS4. I love the AmigaOS, in general. My problem is that none of the "next gen" versions can do what I need to do on a daily basis, due to proprietary software to maintain industry standards. While I could use Linux and their "alternative" choices for said software, it's much easier for me to just use Windows along with the programs I use at work, everyday. The only application that's been ported to MorphOS and OS4 that I could use is Blender and I'm currently using ZBrush 3.5 as a mainstay, along with Maya.

While I would love to use one of the Amiga "alternatives" as even just a "semi-main" machine, AROS isn't as robust as I would like or need. OS4 has extremely expensive hardware, that is half a decade behind the current. In addition, OS4 is lacking in features I would like as a norm, not to mention it's got a lack of a decent web browser, including flash and java support. MorphOS gives me cheaper hardware, for sure, but has the same problems with OS4, as it too is lacking in features I would like and is missing java support. Once MorphOS is running on a powerbook, I'll buy one and then I'll use that as a "toy", if you will, as I'm to a point with the Amiga, that I want something portable and small.

Every Amiga "alternative" has a right to exist and it's own merits on why it should. My biggest pet peeve with the entire community, however, is the fact that there's no camaraderie. There's so many applications for A that aren't on B or C. Sure people are all, "You're welcome to port my code, if you'd like", but there also saying "but I'm not going to do it". I understand why they say, do and feel like that, but the "camps" refuse to just say "hey, we're different, but that just encourages evolution, let's work together and add compatibility between the three to allow even faster development". They would rather pick the other apart, like bitter siblings.

That's why I laugh when the "zealots" break out with their song and dance about how better "they" are. I make opinions, which last I checked, was a basic, human right. I do take a few digs, but it's out of love and not spite. I'm rather abrasive and sarcastic in person and believe me when I say that I don't act any different on the internet. I speak my mind, openly and call out bullsh!t as soon as I see it.

Trevor Dickinson must be an incredible guy, for taking a chance on the Amiga Community. It's commendable that he's taken this time and effort to attempt to boost the Amiga Vendors. Seriously, he's probably the *LAST* chance that OS4 has to take the name of "successor" to Classic 3.9. The x1000, for what it is, is decent hardware, but it's catered towards the developers in mind (note the kickbacks they're getting). That's great, for development. From a marketing and economic standpoint, it's not the target audience for their attempted business model. Playing games with the market base as "advertising", when you have no product and the market base has been jaded by "vapor hardware" so many times, they're skeptical about everything, is asinine. Learn a thing from Apple. Don't do "press releases", until you have final product.

They need a machine that costs, including the price of OS4, around 300-500$. They do that and their capital will swell. Problem is, everyone gets a piece of the hardware and software price, which boosts the customer price exponentially. Too many hands in the cookie jar. The first run is going to lose money, period. The Amiga market base is too small to sustain such an undertaking. It has to be done slowly and in timed, organized spurts.

I would like to guide the remnants of Amiga, together, to standards near what you find in most modern operating systems. The most simple way to do this, is to simply start working together. I just do not understand why certain parts of MorphOS, OS4 and AROS cannot work in synchronicity to allow code to be ported faster between the three in an efficient manner?

Open Office, an HTML5 compatible browser with flash support, a full port of java, OpenGL4.0, as examples need to be ported to all three new-gen Amigas, but it needs to be done so code is efficiently passed between all three in the quickest amount of time possible. The undertaking needs to be done by developers from each "camp", working in tandem with one another. Who gives a sh!t what "flavor" you're using, so long as it's a fork from the original Amiga Operating System by Commodore?

The days of reinventing the Amiga wheel are over.

[Methuselas]

Since you're explicitely referring to one of my previous answers in some other thread, may i remind you once again that I gave the source code of MPlayer MorphOS for AROS, and helped Deadwood to port it (who was much better placed than me to port it, since he can actually run AROS, and also has better knowledge about the OS and its specificities)? I also gave MAME MorphOS sources to another AROS developer, who managed to port it successfully. I can also "call out for bullshit as soon as i see it".

I would do the same for OWB on AROS, if someone motivated enough volunteered to port it. It's not a question of refusing to port it... It's a question of doing it properly.

On the other hand, i would have a serious problem passing my code to people that would get donations (or even commercial outcome) issued from my work (especially since i refuse them).

Fab, that wasn't directed solely at you and you certainly weren't the first person to say that, either. My simple point being, there needs to be a camaraderie between the camps for the further benefit of all the "flavors". Offering up code to allow people to port it, while noble, doesn't get it cross-compiled, nor does it get apps that *ARE* needed to the Amiga community.

Now, let's get on to subject matter. He can "he's in a better position, 'cos he can run AROS and you can't (sic)". Cop-out. You can't go get a low-end, second-hand PC to run AROS? You're telling me you don't have a machine that could run AROS already? I find that hard to believe, since 98.9% of the world pretty much have a PC compatible machine in their house. Since you wish to go back to making up excuses, might I remind you that BTBuilder was linux only and was ported to Windows. Dennis uses Linux exclusively, but his wife has a Windows box. So, he used her machine to port his code, even though he doesn't (have) "better knowledge about the OS and its specificities (sic)". I believe that is called Pot, Kettle, Black.

Finally, never once did I mention your name. Never once did I quote you verbatim. Never once did I imply anything about you, but here you come running, the charge of the Light Brigade, to  "defend" yourself, to your own chagrin against a "shame" to your "honor" that had nothing to do with you, nor was it a direct attack at your person. You made a volatile assumption, biased I might add, since from your previous post, it's obvious you have personal issues with me, blindly missing the point I was trying to make.

This, people, is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Methuselas]

I understand if you like Aros or Morphos but it is a FACT, not an opinion, that they are NOT AmigaDOS / Amiga OS.

Actually, they are. It's common knowledge that Classic 3.5 and 3.9 used pieces of AROS code and originally, MorphOS used 3.1 binaries, before using (once again) AROS code to replace them.

It's little things like this, that make the comment "Or just used AROS", mainly by Bloodline and Dammy, so amusing. I think it's a safe assumption that there's a little bit of "AROS" in everything.

[Methuselas]

So it was *also* directed at me, which justifies my answer.

This part of your post is the only one I'm going to touch. Originally, I thought that it was the fact that English wasn't your primary language. Then, I realized that you, are in fact, just trying to goad me into a fight, which just isn't going to happen. After this, I'm going to simply ignore you and your posts.


You, verbatim in toto:

"Since you're explicitely referring to one of my previous answers in some other thread, may i remind you once again that I gave the source code of MPlayer MorphOS for AROS, and helped Deadwood to port it (who was much better placed than me to port it, since he can actually run AROS, and also has better knowledge about the OS and its specificities)?"

Me, verbatim in toto:

"Sure people are all, "You're welcome to port my code, if you'd like", but there also saying "but I'm not going to do it". I understand why they say, do and feel like that, but the "camps" refuse to just say "hey, we're different, but that just encourages evolution, let's work together and add compatibility between the three to allow even faster development". They would rather pick the other apart, like bitter siblings."

and

"Fab, that wasn't directed solely at you and you certainly weren't the first person to say that, either.


Saying ""Since you're explicitly (I despise atrocious spelling) referring to one of my previous answers in some other thread," when what I said "explicitly" was "Sure people are all, "You're welcome to port my code, if you'd like", but there also saying "but I'm not going to do it" is not being positive. It's called attempting to mislead people. You wish to feel validated on the simple fact that I called you out.

Since when was "people" a pseudonym for "Fab". I made a broad, generalized statement. You, sir, made it an outright attack on your person, or should I say your "Fab", when it never was. You just made my point perfectly clear when you said Jahc takes the *TIME* to port his code to *ALL* the flavors, while you state that it was a "tedious task from what he told you". That means, you've never bothered to even try. Jahc, has Amiga camaraderie. You sir, do not.

I believe that this is game, set and match. I'd say it's been a pleasure talking to you, but not really. :laughing:

[Methuselas]

Really, it seems like every course is being followed. Sure, it'd be nice in some ways if we were all pulling in the same direction. But this way maybe ensures we'll be around in some fashion going forward. We'll never hit the mainstream again, but at least we have our eggs in a lot of baskets.

When I say it, I get flamed, but you're right. However, there's one part in which you are wrong.

There *IS* a chance, albeit an *EXTREMELY* small one, for the Amiga to once again hit the "mainstream" and I'll tell you why.

Google Chrome.

Microsoft is no longer the "end all, be all" of the desktop market. Apple is making small bites at the market (which is something I've been saying Amiga should have been doing for years). Steve Jobs was smart. He created the Iphone and the Ipod, which after years of effort, has become the "staple" of what consumers consider "mainstream". Seriously. Everyone I know wants an Iphone and or wants/has an Ipod. Since the migration to X86, Apple is slowly encroaching into the PC marketplace, because people are tired of Windows. Linux is also becoming a contender due to Ubuntu, as well as increasing software support. I know *TONS* of people that are anxiously waiting for Google Chrome. This is no longer a Windows Market.

Amiga could make a dent in this market, simply by name only, due to the fact that a *LOT* of IT guys, Animators, Game Developers, etc. *REMEMBER* the name. They may not remember the Amiga in its heyday, but they remember the name. Why else would Bill McEwen be interested in it? He knew that for all the Amiga IPs, it was the *NAME* that was most important. The problem is, he knew next to nothing about marketing, economics or running a business. Here's the problem, however.

There's no market base and there's no reason for anyone who's *NOT* an "Amigan" (a term I now use apathetically) to even bother with AROS, OS4 or MorphOS, due to the simple fact that there's nothing the Amiga "flavors" can do that Windows, OSX or Linux cannot do cheaper and more effectively. There is *ZERO* incentive for anyone to use any of the said "flavors", other than nostalgia. Even if one were interested in using one of the Amiga "alternatives" all it would take is a single *LOOK* at any of the current Amiga Forums to have them walk away in disgust, due to the infighting amongst the "community".

There's AROS.exec for the AROS fans. MorphZone is for the MorphOS fans. AmigaWorld.net is for the OS4 fans and Amigans.net is for the over-zealous OS4 fans who took it to an extreme. Amiga.org, which to my knowledge, is the *OLDEST* Amiga Forum on the interwebs still in existence is supportive of all three "next gen" Amiga operating systems as well as Classic 3.9, but there seems to be more fighting here, than anywhere else and it's not surprising. Amiga.org is the most *LIBERAL* of all Amiga sites and once someone gets banned elsewhere, they come here.

The *ONLY* way that the Amiga is going to survive in any shape or form, beyond being classified as a "hobby OS" and to not be ridiculed on just about every site I visit (Slashdot is a good example) is once *ALL* the camps begin working together and the developers begin coding or porting all the essential applications that *EVERY* modern OS provides. Whichever Amiga "flavor" has a working, modern browser, with flash support, a fully working Java port, Email clients, etc. *FIRST* is the "chosen successor" of Classic 3.1 and *NOT* who had "access to the original code". We're not going to go anywhere, until all the petty bickering stops completely.

I sincerely wish that I had the power within me to end this infighting, once and for all. Had I the money, I would have purchased the licenses to the Amiga IPs *years* ago and worked with *ALL* the Amiga camps to provide the most robust Amiga operating system the world has ever seen. AROS would have been the X86 version and both MorphOS *AND* OS4 would have survived as PPC operating systems, with each version having the *SAME* API, using the *SAME* GUI overlay, providing the *SAME* user experience, just on different platforms. I wouldn't have been in it for the money, 'cos right now, there just *ISN'T* any......

My concern was to get the name recognized again, to pass developer systems (for free, mind you) to companies like Autodesk, Adobe, Sun Microsystems, Corel, Fractal Designs, etc. in the hopes that they would port their products to the Amiga operating systems and to get the game support that the Windows, OSX and Linux operating systems appreciate. If I had the money, I would have *EATEN* the cost to provide this, not because I wanted to make money, but because I *LOVE* the Workbench (YES, that's what I believe it should be called, period) *MORE* than any operating system I have ever used and *BELIEVE* that it could still make an impact. All of you need to pray that I win the lottery one day, because if I ever did, *THIS* is what the money would be spent on.

So yes, I too, am a "zealot", but for the *SPIRIT* of the Amiga and what it could once do, instead of the various camps so many of you have chosen. I care not of your camp, I only care that you wish to see the Amiga survive and to see it flourish.

So many of you, however, seem to have lost your way.......

[Methuselas]

ahh bait thrown but too tired to take it...but thanks for proving a point:rolleyes:

Yeah..... that is kinda the pot calling the kettle black. :roflmao: