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Re: Flaky software could crash your car
« on: January 19, 2004, 11:10:35 PM »
Well, I can honestly say I am a good driver. I don't change lanes without signaling, I'm a corteous driver, I stop at stop signs. I OBEY the traffic laws. Why?? 'Cos they're here to protect me. I was nearly hit 2 times today,  one of which 'cos someone wanted over in my lane, but didn't bother to signal and just moved into my lane. I had to slam the breaks, just to keep me from sideswiping this @$$hole. Then, he has the NERVE to give ME the finger.

I've been in one accident my entire life, on an open road. A cow just walked into the road and I swerved to avoid him. He paniced and slammed the back of my Camaro, spinning me out of control to crash into a sewer pipe. They had to use the jaws of life to get me out of my car, 'cos I had hit the pipe so hard, it bent my car's frame into an 'L', trapping me inside. I was stuck like that for 3 hours.

The only ticket I got was for going a whopping 3 miles over the speed limit. I was wearing my fatigues and on my way back to base. #### head cop pulled me over and asked me how fast I was going, so I told him. He then told me that I should watch my speed, 'cos he didn't have time to mess with 'punk, military men' like myself. I, in my usual smart @$$ style of course, said 'sure thing, Boss. You might want to watch those donuts, 'cos your uniforms getting a bit tight' , so he slams me with a speeding ticket for 43 in a 40 (later dismissed and the officer in question reprimanded for 'wasting' the cities tax dollars. It pays to show up in court in your Class A's.)

In my 15 years of driving, I've gotten one ticket and been in a single accident that didn't involve another driver. I don't drive like a 'bat out of hell' and I don't get road rage, but that's not due to the ignorance of other drivers. Most people are more concerned with talking on their cell phones, or friends in the car, or just to get where they want to go, they don't even THINK about or even that there ARE other drivers on the road,  besides them.

I swear, living in Texas sucks. I'm not suprised if they give out driver's licenses in Cracker Jack Boxes here. Most people don't deserve them. :-?
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Re: Flaky software could crash your car
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 01:46:32 AM »
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Yes as long as control alt delete was intergrated into a one button configuration it could be mounted on the steering wheel and pressed easy when the system crashes and you need to reboot to use the brakes.  


considering it's windoze, wouldn't that be brake pedal, gas pedal and slamming the car's stick in reverse? LOL Imagine you're driving and your window turns into a blue screen???? *shudders*
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Re: Flaky software could crash your car
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 06:41:24 AM »
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Perhaps, and you can always spot the bad drivers; they're the ones following the speed limit!


How exactly is going the speed limit a sign of a 'bad' driver, Mike? I see cops flash their lights 'cos they don't want to wait at a light or a stop sign. I see cops speeding all the time and disregarding their own traffic laws, yet they have NO problem issuing you a ticket for violating a traffic law. Does that make them 'GOOD' drivers? There's nothing wrong with flowing with traffic, but if someone wants to go the speed limit, which is the law, how is that bad? Seems to me that the only reason it's bad, is when it incoveniences you. That's not the type of mentality I would classify in a 'good' driver.

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Anyway, I was obeying the traffic laws, and so was the other guy in the first accident, he spun out because he had ####ty tires or just didn't realize how slippery it was that day. The second guy wasn't paying attention and ran the light. If both were more alert to the conditions and the traffic signals, neither accident would have happened.


And your point is? While the first one was a situation that couldn't really be avoided, the SECOND guy and I quote you, 'wasn't paying attention and ran the light.' THAT, my friend, is clearly someone that should NOT be behind a wheel. Excuse me, but how can you run a light by NOT paying attention. That's got to be the STUPIDEST excuse for an accident I've ever heard?!!? ( I do hope you got something out of it.)

In both of those instances, situations arised that could NOT be avoided. The first one, however, was one that could not be helped. He lost control of his car and you hit him. In ice, you were helpless and there isn't much to do. I've driven in ice and know how it is. Most people have driven in rain several times and yet there are STILL idiots that don't think 'Gee, the roads are slick. I should change my driving to compensate for the loss of traction, due to rain.'

The second guy BLATANTLY disregarded the traffic signals. I'm sorry, but when I'm coming to an intersection that has a light, I pay ATTENTION. If he had just obeyed the rules, he wouldn't have hit you. but he didn't care. He didn't want to wait at the light, so he ran it.

 
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Ultimately, one needs to compensate for other people's poor driving skills.


That's still no reason to not follow the rules. Sure there are instances where the rules must be broken, but if you do it constantly and without a thought for the others on the road, you are no better than the people complained about. If some guy were to slam on his brakes in front of me and even with my typical 'car length' of space between us, I would CERTAINLY change a lane without signaling, if it would prevent an accident.

Most accidents aren't caused by human error, but by negligence. My ex-wife totalled her car, 'cos her phone rang and she reached down on the passenger-side floorboard to get her phone out of her purse. THAT is ignorance. (Consequently, she wouldn't speak to me for over a week, 'cos though I sympathized that she lost her car, it was from her own negligence and I had no sympathy at all for that.) If she had just waited to answer her phone, it wouldn't have happened, but it was more important to answer the phone than to pay attention to the road.

People get into accidents, 'cos they change lanes without looking, run stopsigns or stoplights, disregard 'no left turn' signs, etc.  Hell, there are idiots that kill people 'cos the go the wrong way on a street.

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It's one thing to tail gate or weave through traffic at high speeds


One of the biggest reasons for pileups on freeways. God forbid they have to wait to move, when by changing a lane without looking they can move a whopping ONE car length ahead... :-x

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Personally, I find that those drivers who follow the traffic laws to the T are the worst drivers


Really? So that guy that ran the light and hit you, he is what you would classify as a 'good' driver, Mike? Get real. He hit you simply 'cos he didn't want to wait at a RED light and ran it, smacking you in the process. If he was REALLY a good driver, he would have slowed down and stopped at the light, since it was OBVIOUSLY your turn to go. Like you said yourself, your view was blocked by another car. You didn't see him coming.  Since you couldn't see him, due to the other car, you MUST have been moving through the intersection. How could he have missed the light, but not notice the cars MOVING across his path??

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and mostly because they are insecure behind the wheel and hope the traffic laws will somehow protect them.


I am NOT insecure behind the wheel. I am constantly aware of what's going on around me when I am driving, 'cos most people, yourself included by what you have written, are BLINDED by the fact that there are OTHER people occupying the road, other than yourself and I am in no way going to endanger MY life, so you can gun your car at 150mph and cut me off without signaling, simply 'cos you want to get somewhere faster. It's ignorance like that killing motorists, not me.

And yes, I will admit that there are drivers out there that ARE insecure about their driving, namely young drivers and old drivers, but considering how many traffic fatalities there are in the US/Canada per year, it's no wonder. If we didn't have these stupid, ignorant f*cks that HAD to race, or disregard traffic signs, or talk on the phone, etc., we CERTAINLY wouldn't have has many accidents as we do now.

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I at least know perfectly well what my car is and is not capable of because I've taken it to it's limits and beyod.


What do you want, Mike, a cookie? Even RACE car drivers get into accidents and that's all they do is drive their cars, learning the 'ins and outs' of their machine. You think that 'cos you know your car, you're above the laws of the road and they don't pertain to you? Once again, you've proven my point that ignorance is what kills people. So since you 'know' your car, you feel that you can just 'whip' through traffic how you please??

Sure, it's good to know your car, but many people out there don't and a vast majority of them are the ones responsible for collisions. I haven't gotten into any accidents because I take EXTRA precautions, not because I 'know my car'.

I must have touched a nerve with you, Mike. I wasn't trying to get a rise out of anyone, but you immediately started to bash people who 'follow the rules', which only leads me to think that you give no consideration to those driving around you. I'll be waiting for your flame, 'cos you always do. Then again, *I* am not the one that's been in two collisions with other vehicles. :-D
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Re: Flaky software could crash your car
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2004, 01:34:48 AM »
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Just because you know your car doesn't mean you're a good driver. The best race drivers don't go fast, they drive consistently. I know the limits of my car (at least now I do, since I recently upgraded my sway bars), and I know NOT to take the car to those limits. They call it a "limit" for a reason.


I couldn't have said it better myself, Waccoon.  ;-)
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Re: Flaky software could crash your car
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2004, 05:33:10 PM »
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Here, read this report and educate yourself: Is speed killing us?


Michael, Michael, Michael. I baited, you hooked. I NEVER said anything about driving too slow or slower than the speed limit. I was defending the right to OBEY the laws, which you don't encourage.

Never once, in any of my posts, did I mention driving slower than the speed limit. If you want to get technical, driving the SPEED LIMIT (I know it's difficult for you to understand, so bear with me) has a LOWER accident rate than driving 'slower' than the speed limit and that shows by your diagram.

I wasn't discussing 'speeding' per se, I was more referring to the ignorance of drivers. The guy that hit you, when he ran the red light, odds are, he was speeding. Why?? 'Cos he RAN a red light. It's a known thing that the Yellow light does not mean 'caution' to the average driver, it means 'speed up, 'cos God FORBID you have to wait at a red light.'

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People get into accidents, 'cos they change lanes without looking, run stopsigns or stoplights, disregard 'no left turn' signs, etc. Hell, there are idiots that kill people 'cos the go the wrong way on a street.


Seems to me that I said NOTHING about speeding. It's illegal here to talk on your phone and drive, but people do it anyways. Why? 'Cos they don't give a sh!t. We've had people here that have been hit by our new light rail, 'cos they turned where there was a 'no left turn' sign. Why?? 'Cos they didn't give a sh!t.

We've had fatalities on our HOV (High Occupancy Vehicle) Lanes, 'cos people go the WRONG way??!!?? Inbound in the morning, outbound in the evening. It's not hard. An eight-year old knows the difference, but there are people that go the wrong way, 'cos they 'forget' and end up killing someone.

If people were to keep the 'car's length' distance that is described in EVERY driver's manual I've seen, you wouldn't have as many rear end collisions. If people didn't IGNORE posted signs, that are there for their protection, there would be fewer accidents. Speeding was never the problem I was referring to. Negligence was and always will be the primary cause of traffic collisions.

Show me some statistics that say 'Disobeying Traffic Laws and Posted Signs reduce driving accidents' and I  MIGHT offer some sort of apology.

Otherwise, pay attention to what people write, instead of trying to justify your position with articles of text and graphs that do not correlate with your opposition's point of view. We were discussing something entirely different. I do agree that speeding doesn't cause as many accidents, but Fung Choi in his souped-up, rice rocket who races up and down the roads (not highways, mind you), isn't exactly HELPING reduce traffic collisions.
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\'And for future reference, it might be polite to ask someone if you can  quote them in your signature, rather than just citing them to make a  sales pitch.\' - Karlos. :rtf