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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:23:30 PM »
I don't know why people feel the need to be anonymous when telling these things. I'm new here so I may not know the rules or if there is a Big Brother out there or anything. If someone wanna enlighten me that is.

I think it's pretty obvious that when it comes to Amiga, Commodore failed in the past and they keep on failing in the present. It's not that it's a bad machine in itself, I just wish they didn't freaking use the name Amiga!
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 11:22:06 PM »
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Here are 2 simple rules....

1. If it has no Paula chip it is no Amiga.
2. If it can't execute Defender of the Crown natively without any emulator it is not an Amiga system/Amiga OS.

I guess we all have our own definition of what makes/made the Amiga great. I think it's the OS (loved 3.1 when I used it) and that's why I like AOS 4.1 since it remind me much of it. But except for nostalgic reasons I don't think you can linger on to now outdated hardware, no matter how good it was at the time. The classic Amigas will always be great and are still fun to use, but for me who wants to use a modern Amiga I think NG Amigas with AOS 4.1 will be my choice of purchase.
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 09:10:21 PM »
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Amiga Inc. is forbidden from developing an OS that is substantially similar to AmigaOS (so maybe they can't license the name to someone else to pursue a similar course).

Is it likely that they would do that if they could though?
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 01:07:12 PM »
Unless AOS and MorphOS finds a way to keep their operating systems up to date by making it possible to use brand new hardware with them, I seriously doubt that they will have a future. But right now something is finally happening in my point of view. That's why I'm planning to buy a Amigaone after all these years without any Amiga.

Our small community have 3 currently developing operating systems that keeps each other on edge. There are new hardware being produced (unlike the last time I looked when there was things "coming out soon", (which was the normal state for very long)). Even though we lag behind on both hard- and software there are at least reasons now to have a little hope. If AOS and Morphos fails we will have AROS, which seems to be getting somewhere as of now.

Either AOS and MorphOS will find a way into the existing computer market, or they will create their own powerful platforms for a reasonable price. Both I think can save them. And I think they know this. So I don't think they plan to linger on with outdated hardware until it's so rare and expensive that giving up is the only option.

When Amiga 1000 came in 1985, the home computers, just like the A1000, had a lot of limitations. 256 colors, 8 bit sound, floppy disks and extremely small and expensive hard drives. It was still cutting edge of course, but the limitations was nevertheless there and every upgrade did cost a small fortune for the consumer. When the A1200 and A4000 came it wasn't cutting edge anymore. It was barely keeping up with the PC market. Good computers, but not at all as impressive as when the A1000 and later the much cheaper A500 got released.

Today seeing all of the color spectrum is standard. Sound cards that does all frequencies too. Big screens, fast, cheap and huge hard drives and other cool stuff makes the difference between a computer manufactured in 2008 and 2012 relatively small for the non-hardcore gaming and non-3D-creating consumer.

All those microchips that made the Amiga 1000 and beyond cool and powerful are today obsolete. Not just the chips, but the whole need for specialized chips. Sure, specialized chips can do cool stuff, but they are simply not needed in order to get a fast and well working computer.

My point is that it doesn't matter much right now that the computers are a little behind since there is a lot of catching up to do software wise. First we have to get software that can do all the everyday things that normal consumers would ask for (web surfing, text editing, picture editing etc (and for my part I want Japanese to be supported)). Then we should find either a good but not pricey platform or strive to be platform independent. If these two steps are made in that order, I think all our 3 OS:es will have some kind of future, maybe even a bright one.
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 01:14:52 PM »
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Reading from all this though, one thing I cannot fathom is, why all the flames if CUSA does create/sell a PowerPC with AmigaOS inside it?

I didn't know this was their plan? As far as I know they have a pretty standard PC system (with an intel processor, not a PPC) with their own Linux clone. Nothing Amiga at all. As in: nothing Amiga at all. Except for the name. I think that would annoy a lot of people actually.
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 01:45:21 PM »
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I do not see Aros as "reserve" because it is the only one that supports modern hardware (different platforms) and new concepts.

I didn't mean of it like a "reserve"; something to fall back on if the others fail. Don't get me wrong there. But as of now the downside is that AROS is in need of more developing (but they are getting there!), the upside is that it works on non-outdated hardware.

What I meant was that if AOS and/or MorphOS cannot make the plunge into newer platforms it won't mean that it's the end of Amiga, thanks to AROS. I meant it as a good thing. I plan myself to get AROS when it's simple enough for me to use it (and have more programs). And I wouldn't mind getting MorphOS either. I want the Amiga OS to survive and I actually care little how, as long as it doesn't look and act too differently from the Workbench 3.1 that I loved to play with so much.
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 02:26:48 PM »
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I compare the speed of development and I think in less than 12 months it will be competitive in all areas (and superior in a couple of areas).

That will be something to look forward to :)
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 12:43:22 PM »
I wish all the camp the best of luck too. But I don't consider CUSA one of them. PC hardware and Linux I can live with. Exploiting the old, classic names like C64 and Amiga in order to boost sales of unrelated products kinda pisses me off.
 

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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 12:01:22 PM »
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I don't understand why anyone would want the old brands to come back.  They're just trademarks.  It's the combination of unique hardware and software that made my childhood computer so great, and that magic is gone forever.

I wouldn't expect Beatles fans to get excited about some bush league garage band bringing back the name, regardless of the quality of their music, because that would be straight up retarded.  And yet, here we are.

Word! Let the classic Amigas stay classic. I want my Workbench 3.1 to work on A1200 and my AOS 4.x to work on new hardware! :)