AGP bus expansion for Amiga?

[danbeaver]

No. The Amiga is too old and AGP is not supported. The closest is the "PCI" video slot on the Phase 5 accelerators for CyberVision video card. For less cost and more availability, plus extra coolness, a Mediator board with VooDoo 3 3000 or Radeon 92x0 is fast and pretty, adding support for other PCI options USB, NIC, Sound cards etc

[danbeaver]

You can get PCI versions of most any AGP card, though. I've even gotten PCI versions of PCI express graphics cards.

But how many work with the Amiga?

[danbeaver]

The "PCI" slot for the CyberVision has direct access to the CPU and RAM, making it potentially very fast for things like RAM cards, SATA cards and the like; it is not limited to 2/4 GB as is the Amiga side

[danbeaver]

With AGP cards becoming more and more difficult to source (at least new ones in the wholesale chain,) it'd be a waste of time trying to develop.  The next useful expansion would be PCIe (PCI Express.)

Unlikely as Elbox won't even support their current hardware.

[danbeaver]

Individual computers has also made Zorro to PCI bridge.  X-Surf card has a PCI card to connected Zorro to PCI brige. Would be nice to know would it be possible to use it with other PCI cards

 That is not a "bridge" any more so then the Domino Graphics card has a bridge; it is a specialty slot meant to handle one specific card.  Any other PC type cards won't work (and they were tried in both cards).  One needs specific complex logic as in the Mediator.  Ergo, it is possible, but as noted before, AGP is too fast for a Classic Amiga to really keep up, the PCI standard handles more than just video (in the case of OS 4.1, the developers not only wrote their own code for the supported cards, but wrote code to support the ESS-1 Solo sond card and the sii3112/4ide SATA cards).  Elbox does not support these two

[danbeaver]

Yes but 10Mbps is still 10Mbps despite the slot type: ISA, PCI, ZORRO II, or USB.

[danbeaver]

The proof will be in the pudding (and supporting software drivers) for the UltimatePPC

[danbeaver]

I'm afraid the Amiga is considered to be "complete history."

[danbeaver]

Why is USB crap?

And ISA served its purpose and is just replaced by better standards.

[danbeaver]

USB has in essence replaced ISA (both are crap!)

Folks, "I" didn't say they were crap; "I" feel they were evolutionary changes. The S-100 begat the ISA and morse code begat the serial interface. "I" consider the USB essential to inexpensive connectivity in this and only this current market. There WILL be another paradigm shift ("I'd" like it to use fiber optic). "I" don't condemn the technology I use; I just complain about the lack of support -- tried to buy a USB card supported in OS 4.1 lately -- and the unreasonable cost ($90 for an NEC USB card costing $5 to use in a Mediator?).

Oh, as far as stupid corporate decisions, y'all remember IBM's microchannnel 32-bit bus for the PS/2 line of computers?  Remember it was sold connected to a 386SX CPU with a 16-bit data bus?

[danbeaver]

Thank you

[danbeaver]

In the context that you describe the AGP "complete history," many non-enthusiasts would say the same of the Amiga. "Windows" supports AGP in version 7 and 8 and they are still being made and for sale in normal computer stores such as, NewEgg and TigerDirect. The NG Amigas are sold "hobby" quantities, and the OS support is in the hands of just a few individuals working for a small company based in Belgium.

I bought my first Amiga in 1986 ( having saved up enough after grad school) and have been an active user/consumer until the present. I have my grandparent's 1938 Philco radio that I re-wired and re-populated with vacuum tubes so it works as well. To me nothing is "complete history" as long as it is useful.

[danbeaver]

For me a technology is not "dead" if it is still useful; nothing is perfect when you seek out faults

[danbeaver]

OK, some of us believe that a still useful technology is not "dead," and others who disagree with its implimentation consider it to be "dead" and "crap."

Wouldn't be wonderful if everything in the world could be seen in terms of binary? 0/1, Black/White, On/Off, Up/Down, agree/disagree, et cetera.

Hop up on your "Soap Box" and shout at the world; you never know, someone might vote you into office.

[danbeaver]

No pun intended, but is your Ford a "Deuce coupe?"  I love that grill.