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Offline broadblues

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 10:32:24 AM »
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How does he exchange data with a print office? I would guess they do not support amiga software there.

PDF, most printers ,in the UK anyway, prefer it. At least those that provide, CD / DVD  cover, poster , flyer , leaflet printing services anyway.

Offline OlafS3

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Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 12:54:25 PM »
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PDF, most printers ,in the UK anyway, prefer it. At least those that provide, CD / DVD  cover, poster , flyer , leaflet printing services anyway.

"PDF-Printer" on amiga or exporting PDF? I am not aware that this is possible but would do be interested. You can print as postscript file and this convert f.e. on windows but that is not amiga-only then. Another problem... at least the software I use to design "printable" documents supports different versions of PDF, not possible on amiga I guess.
 

Offline cha05e90

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 01:51:47 PM »
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"PDF-Printer" on amiga or exporting PDF? I am not aware that this is possible but would do be interested. You can print as postscript file and this convert f.e. on windows but that is not amiga-only then. Another problem... at least the software I use to design "printable" documents supports different versions of PDF, not possible on amiga I guess.


Hum? You could do that with Amiga since ages - nothing AmigaOS 4.x specific. Most of my (past) productivity work with my 3.x setups generated Postscript - be it with Wordworth, Pagestream, Draw Studio or Final Writer. Pagestream can generate PDF out of the box.

There are tools and scripts which will make PDF out of this Postscript outputs - of course most (maybe all of them - I can't remember...:-)) need an installed Ghostscript (which is a standard part of all of my AmigaOS setups). Of course the PDF versions will be rather "ancient", but that should be no problem - even the newest Acrobat will read an v1.4 PDF ;-)
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Offline kolla

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 01:55:07 PM »
So called "word processing" must be the most overrated "need" ever, so glad I don't have to deal with "office apps" neither in my work nor privately :)
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Offline dovegrace

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 02:26:02 PM »
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Offline broadblues

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2016, 02:48:07 PM »
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"PDF-Printer" on amiga or exporting PDF? I am not aware that this is possible but would do be interested. You can print as postscript file and this convert f.e. on windows but that is not amiga-only then.


Most of the DTP related apps I ever used on amigaos (which ever vintage) had Postscript print abilties, so does iBrowse IIRC and certainly the like of OWB do.

ImageFX can "print" to EPS, which is invaluable when used in combination with Wordworth as wordworth then passes the high quality EPS straight through, and does create it's own grayscale version.


I added this functionailty to print to PS / EPS Sketchblock to replicate that workfow, but you can also output direct to PDF via PIL. (Python Imaging Library)

AmigaOS has PS prnter driver that can also save psoscript direct to file, for printing from those apps that don't do postscript output themselves.

To convert to PDF simply use ghostscripts PDFWrite "device"



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Another problem... at least the software I use to design "printable" documents supports different versions of PDF, not possible on amiga I guess.


I've not yet come across a situation wher the version of PDF I *created* was important. I have couple of times come across PDFs from else where that the current OS4 versin of ghostscript doesn't work on. I used linux to sove that hickup.

Offline cgutjahr

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2016, 10:57:44 PM »
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I use Wordworth 7 for wordprocessing, poster / flyer creation. Printing to postscrit them converting to PDF with Ghostscript.

WW7's postscript output had some serious limitations IIRC, like all graphics (or was it just vektor graphics?) being limited to grayscale.

How did you solve the font problem? IIRC, you were limited to the fonts used in regular printers (I don't think I ever managed to embedd another font in a postscript file) and I never got  WYSIWYG working because It was impossible (for me) to have the same (postscript) fonts used for screen output that were used in my printer...
 

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Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2016, 11:05:16 PM »
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I am not aware that this is possible but would do be interested.

Converting Postscript to PDF is easy, Ghostscript can do that. Last Ghostscript port to OS3 should be slightly older than a decade, but that should be good enough for this particular job. Wordworth has no "export to Postscript" ARexx command,so you can't automate the process - but saving it as postscript and then manually converting the file to PDF works fine.

For Postscript output, FinalWriter might be the better choice though. I never used it, but allegedly it's got way better Postscript export.And you can easily automate the PDF export.
 

Offline broadblues

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2016, 09:40:12 AM »
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WW7's postscript output had some serious limitations IIRC, like all graphics (or was it just vektor graphics?) being limited to grayscale.


Actuall it's bitmap graphics that get converted to greyscale, but EPS files get passed through untouched, which is why I convert graphcs to .eps first as I mentioned above.

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How did you solve the font problem? IIRC, you were limited to the fonts used in regular printers (I don't think I ever managed to embedd another font in a postscript file) and I never got  WYSIWYG working because It was impossible (for me) to have the same (postscript) fonts used for screen output that were used in my printer...


Printer Settings Window->Postscript Settings SubWindow offers ths choice to download fonts (once , every time (which I think means per page), or never) I have that set to once.

Then you need to install a set of postscript fonts to work from, those that come with ghostscript are good start.  You can't use compugraphic fonts, for postscript printing.

Offline broadblues

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2016, 09:44:10 AM »
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Wordworth has no "export to Postscript" ARexx command

Yeah that a right PITA when come to scripting the process, I just save to set file name ram:ww.ps to simplify the later stages.

My PDFMaker script will scan the ghostscript statd.ps file and display all my custom page sizes I created over the years for odd things like custom sized adverts in magazines  A5 with bleed for print shop flyers etc etc.

Offline paul1981

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2016, 09:56:05 AM »
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Amiga (any platform) is not suited for professional work, missing components like 64bit, memory protection or multicore support are the least problem, more problematic is missing drivers for 3rd party hardware like printers and expecially no up-to-date software. I would never even guess to use amigas for professional work, it is a nice hobby I waste some time on when I have some time left, not more not less.


None of that was a problem for me when I did my school and college assignments on my A1200 in the late 90's. I used Wordworth, and the structured drawing tools were fantastic and the resulting prints professional in my opinion.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2016, 11:29:48 AM »
Modern printers hardly have any need for dedicated drivers, they typically hand over a PPD when you install the printer unit in your OS, and you are set. But I suspect that the AmigaOS 4.1 printing system supports neither network printing nor PPD files.
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Offline broadblues

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2016, 12:42:55 PM »
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Modern printers hardly have any need for dedicated drivers, they typically hand over a PPD when you install the printer unit in your OS, and you are set. But I suspect that the AmigaOS 4.1 printing system supports neither network printing nor PPD files.


PDP support probably not, but network printer yes, there a couple of options.

With my hp200 M251N I honestly find it simplest to print to file and the ftp the file to the printer, its faster than going via the PS driver in pass through mode.

I did have it connected via usb too, but it confuses the usb stack when goes in and out of standbye mode.

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Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2016, 12:45:03 PM »
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Have you tried any of the programs I suggested?  If they aren't up to your requirements the feedback could be useful for the developers.


I have used them all.  Notepad and MS Paint are better than any Amiga offerings, and that stings me as a guy who pre-ordered the A3000, A4000, and SAM..  Blender runs like crap, GIMP is worse yet, the only one I value is ADPro and it's a bit wonky on OS4.  The modern gfx programs on the Miggy are not designed for production work at all.  JUNK.

The word processors?  I'd get laughed out of the print shop if I took pdf's into being mass printed, lol.  CED on the other hand is a work of art, and has been since I found it in 1990 or so.  But she ain't no Word Processor.

My advice is that these current developers quit gouging consumers for these dumb CLI essentials and magic, Dancing Bear, Fireworks screenblankers, and programs like CANDI and buckle down and get people USEFUL APPS.  Office Suite, a good, solid browser, would be a good start.

I find it shameful I must pay for "utilities" that came with OS's going back 30 years ago?  I simply cannot fathom why people tolerate this.  People paying for bloody Multiview?

I run a telecomms business with 7 people on staff.  My SAM is on my desk, right beside my Intel 5960 machine with 2 Titan X cards and 64 GB RAM. Yeah, I do some gaming at work :)  I try daily, despite knowing how it'll turn out, to use my SAM as my daily driver.  The results are always the same.  Crashville.

I by no means expected the SAM to do everything that Windows box can do, but I hoped it and OS 4.1 could at least bridge the gap.  It can't.  The machine is relegated to being something I code on, and something I run a 1990 era BBS on.  That's a hard pill to swallow, a $1500 machine that can't do much more than run Excelsior! BBS from 1990.

But every morning, hope against hope, I go to look at my daily job tickets on the SAM, and the Amiga web browser pukes at the most basic GDoc.

I find it a bit sad that Haiku OS or even RISC on the Pi is far more modernly functional than an OS that isn't exactly cheap, and the hardware to run said OS is extortionately priced.  I can buy a Mac Pro for the cost of an X1000/X5000, and said machines can't do a darned thing more than my SAM due to software lackings.

Modern Amiga platforms are no further ahead than they were in the A4000 era, with the exception of decent TCP stacks and USB support.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Using an Amiga with OS4.1 for daily work.
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2016, 01:22:36 PM »
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Modern Amiga platforms are no further ahead than they were in the A4000 era, with the exception of decent TCP stacks and USB support.


well, so far as modern platforms go, poseidon in combination with deneb was, and maybe still is, the more reliable usb solution than the one provided under os4 for several years.