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Title: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Kesa on April 12, 2011, 10:28:49 AM
Now we are getting somewhere!  :banana:

I'm more excited about this NatAmi than i am about the AAA motherboard on ebay! As soon as they become available i'm buying one :)

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7701/natamimx.jpg)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: VingtTrois on April 12, 2011, 10:45:26 AM
Yeah! Thanks Kesa.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: ognix on April 12, 2011, 12:10:32 PM
Good to know and excited as well!
Hope there will be an on-the-road test soon with detailed report.  :)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: gertsy on April 12, 2011, 12:13:40 PM
NatAmi?  What's that?
Do you get wafers with it?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 12, 2011, 12:35:44 PM
@Kesa

This is André from the Natami Team.

The image posted is incorrect and incomplete.

This is the correct version:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/884/natamipinout3.png

I am aware that the incorrect picture got posted by mistake on Facebook.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: gertsy on April 12, 2011, 12:39:50 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631160
@Kesa

This is André from the Natami Team.

The image posted is incorrect and incomplete.

This is the correct version:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/884/natamipinout3.png

I am aware that the incorrect picture got posted by mistake on Facebook.


Thank god!  For a second there I thought there were 2 USB ports and no Sony/Philips Digital interface......Phew.      Lucky we got that critical piece of info sorted.

Sorry when did you say it was being released again?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 12, 2011, 12:49:41 PM
@gertsy
I am happy that you appreciate my efforts to provide correct information. You might have missed that the four main IC:s were unlabeled, which in my opinion qualifies as "critical info", too.

We are getting close to a point where we will produce a batch of boards for internal distribution within the team for further compatibility testing and bug fixing. The date of release to the public depends on how long this process will take.

The situation in Japan is currently making it difficult for us to obtain components.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Hattig on April 12, 2011, 01:02:34 PM
Good news. Thanks for the image.

What's the IC above and to the left of the DDR2 RAM chips?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Kesa on April 12, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Thanks Forcie! But are you aware of the spelling mistake on the facebook photo above (swtich is really spelt switch)?

The real MX board is below ;)

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/884/natamipinout3.png)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: TCMSLP on April 12, 2011, 01:08:59 PM
This is excellent news!

I'm a little out of touch with Natami and the forum is difficult to search...

Can someone remind me - what OS this will run?   Will 3.1 be repackaged with the necessary drivers for the new hardware, or will it be up to the user to obtain 3.1 and apply necssary patches?  Or ... something different altogether?

Very exciting news though :)


Steve
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Kesa on April 12, 2011, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: TCMSLP;631188
This is excellent news!

I'm a little out of touch with Natami and the forum is difficult to search...

Can someone remind me - what OS this will run?   Will 3.1 be repackaged with the necessary drivers for the new hardware, or will it be up to the user to obtain 3.1 and apply necssary patches?  Or ... something different altogether?

Very exciting news though :)


Steve

It was always the intention it would be able to run WB3.9. In fact it was designed specifically to run 3.9  :)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: gertsy on April 12, 2011, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631175
@gertsy
I am happy that you appreciate my efforts to provide correct information. You might have missed that the four main IC:s were unlabeled, which in my opinion qualifies as "critical info", too.

We are getting close to a point where we will produce a batch of boards for internal distribution within the team for further compatibility testing and bug fixing. The date of release to the public depends on how long this process will take.

The situation in Japan is currently making it difficult for us to obtain components.


@forcie. Sorry my bad.  Without prejudice.
My angst was based on the fact that we hear no news here (sorry, very little news) and when somebody posts some news, the first peep we hear is a "That's not right!".  A bit critical on poor old Kesa who is obviously trying to help.

If I was really nasty I would say your picture is also incorrect as it lists "headers" parallel, floppy and usb, which clearly aren't headers as they have no pins.

So happy to hear the news.  Maybe you should post in the news section. regularly.  What do you think ?

PS; As Kesa would have me say.  "If you can't say something nice. Don't,,, Don't say nuffin at all...!"  So my apologies for my tanty..
PPS: the board looks beautiful.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 12, 2011, 02:02:01 PM
@Hattig
A tiny CPLD handling I/O for floppy and joyports.

@Kesa
Yes. The image with the errors was made by a forum member, so I made a proper version after that. But the image with the errors happened to be posted on FB by mistake. :)

@TCMSLP
Our goal is full support of OS3.x (as well as earlier versions :) ). But we currently only have 3.1 licenses to distribute with the boards. However, our internal distribution runs 3.9. We are currently working on supporting all the hardware (writing SANA2 drivers, hacking monitor files, etc.)

@gertsy
Kesa is not at fault at all, it is our fault for posting the wrong image :)
Yes, everything is not soldered in that picture. But everything labeled "header" will have a proper header. They are not there in the picture because the focus was not testing the functionality of those connectors at that particular moment in time - it was taken shortly after getting the very first MX board.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 12, 2011, 03:48:32 PM
Doesn't that look pretty :) Given that it's a DVI-I connector, am I correct in assuming it'll support analog VGA output?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Darrin on April 12, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631200
@TCMSLP
Our goal is full support of OS3.x (as well as earlier versions :) ). But we currently only have 3.1 licenses to distribute with the boards. However, our internal distribution runs 3.9. We are currently working on supporting all the hardware (writing SANA2 drivers, hacking monitor files, etc.)


That shouldn't be a problem as you can use ClassicWorkbench to give a nice OS3.9+ look.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 12, 2011, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631200
@Hattig
A tiny CPLD handling I/O for floppy and joyports.

@Kesa
Yes. The image with the errors was made by a forum member, so I made a proper version after that. But the image with the errors happened to be posted on FB by mistake. :)

@TCMSLP
Our goal is full support of OS3.x (as well as earlier versions :) ). But we currently only have 3.1 licenses to distribute with the boards. However, our internal distribution runs 3.9. We are currently working on supporting all the hardware (writing SANA2 drivers, hacking monitor files, etc.)

@gertsy
Kesa is not at fault at all, it is our fault for posting the wrong image :)
Yes, everything is not soldered in that picture. But everything labeled "header" will have a proper header. They are not there in the picture because the focus was not testing the functionality of those connectors at that particular moment in time - it was taken shortly after getting the very first MX board.


3.9 support is great news!  I must have read something wrong somewhere as I was under the impression that this machine wasn't going to use an 030 processor  speed and would not be quick enough to load 3.9...    I am very interested in this board now..

Thanks for the clarification..
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 12, 2011, 04:27:12 PM
@commodorejohn
Yes, you can use both DVI and VGA monitors. Also, with the 15KHz video expansion, you can also use classic Amiga RGB monitors for classic screenmodes. I am getting one myself (classic Amiga graphics looks best on one! And I love working in DPaintIV on a real RGB screen) but the actual 15KHz expansion board is not done yet.

@Darrin
Sure, I prefer OS 3.1 myself. But remember that OS 3.9 is not only graphical changes but also a truckload of bugfixes. :)

@outlawal2
You are perhaps thinking about the old Natami prototype using a C-One board that was started back in 2003.
Our current development board has a 68060 expansion card attached. But we have developed a brand new 68k CPU architecture called "N68050" that will soon be powering the Natami system.

Btw, a 030 is not too weak for OS3.9. I ran OS3.9 just fine on my A600 with 42MHz 030 ;)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 12, 2011, 04:37:48 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631222
Yes, you can use both DVI and VGA monitors. Also, with the 15KHz video expansion, you can also use classic Amiga RGB monitors for classic screenmodes. I am getting one myself (classic Amiga graphics looks best on one! And I love working in DPaintIV on a real RGB screen) but the actual 15KHz expansion board is not done yet.
Beautiful :) I was afraid I'd have to use a DVI-D LCD with it...
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: F1Lupo on April 12, 2011, 04:43:48 PM
looking nice:afro:..geez I won't have time at all to mess with my classics with all this new stuff coming out
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: _ThEcRoW on April 12, 2011, 05:10:57 PM
estimated price?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: runequester on April 12, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
The wait... its the silent killer :)

I am so fired up to get this
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: SamuraiCrow on April 12, 2011, 05:14:50 PM
Quote from: _ThEcRoW;631226
estimated price?


When first released it will probably cost about the same as a SAM440ep did when it was new:  about 500 Euros for the main board.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: outlawal2 on April 12, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631222
@commodorejohn
Yes, you can use both DVI and VGA monitors. Also, with the 15KHz video expansion, you can also use classic Amiga RGB monitors for classic screenmodes. I am getting one myself (classic Amiga graphics looks best on one! And I love working in DPaintIV on a real RGB screen) but the actual 15KHz expansion board is not done yet.

@Darrin
Sure, I prefer OS 3.1 myself. But remember that OS 3.9 is not only graphical changes but also a truckload of bugfixes. :)

@outlawal2
You are perhaps thinking about the old Natami prototype using a C-One board that was started back in 2003.
Our current development board has a 68060 expansion card attached. But we have developed a brand new 68k CPU architecture called "N68050" that will soon be powering the Natami system.

Btw, a 030 is not too weak for OS3.9. I ran OS3.9 just fine on my A600 with 42MHz 030 ;)


Once again thanks for the clarification.  I am definitely interested in this board now...  Will await further details...
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: JimS on April 12, 2011, 06:11:18 PM
With the original Minimig, the Replay, and the Natami, there are a lot of choices for retro Amiga fans. Not bad for something that was supposed to have "died" back in 1994!
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: B00tDisk on April 12, 2011, 06:22:29 PM
Wait, wait, wait.  WHERE ARE THE 24 PHONE JACKS?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 12, 2011, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;631238
Wait, wait, wait.  WHERE ARE THE 24 PHONE JACKS?

Fortunately, we have the common sense to ignore Thierry Atheist and his requests ;)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Lando on April 12, 2011, 06:49:40 PM
I never ever thought I'd see a completed board.  I thought this whole project was yet another pipe dream.  The first piece of new, Amiga-related hardware I've wanted to buy in 10 years.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: DCAmiga on April 12, 2011, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: SamuraiCrow;631228
When first released it will probably cost about the same as a SAM440ep did when it was new: about 500 Euros for the main board.

Hmm not to bad for 133mhz 68k Miggy but is that price the M'Board plus '060 board or just the M'Board plus N050 softcore ??
 
Also if I understand, we wont have to worry about patching WB then ??
 
From the pages I've read over there, the N050 is really punching out the numbers (68k enhancement/FPU enhancement).  
 
Great work Natami :D
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: SamuraiCrow on April 13, 2011, 02:18:44 AM
@DCAmiga

The '060 board will cost extra.  Most people won't need it.  By the time the N050 will be fully tested there will likely be an N070 softcore out.  The only part missing from the N070 will be the MMU of the 68060.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 13, 2011, 02:25:21 AM
Is the MMU likely to be added in future revisions?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: magnetic on April 13, 2011, 02:29:32 AM
Big deal, another pic of a board. I held the Boxxer in my hand and what happend V A P O U R .... nobody has seen one screenshot of this thing working so ... read above.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: x56h34 on April 13, 2011, 02:32:52 AM
So cool. Looking forward to its release.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: runequester on April 13, 2011, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: magnetic;631324
Big deal, another pic of a board. I held the Boxxer in my hand and what happend V A P O U R .... nobody has seen one screenshot of this thing working so ... read above.

THere's youtube footage of the prototypes booting a few games.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 13, 2011, 02:48:33 AM
Quote from: magnetic;631324
Big deal, another pic of a board. I held the Boxxer in my hand and what happend V A P O U R .... nobody has seen one screenshot of this thing working so ... read above.
Actually, people have seen entire videos of it working. What's the matter - can't conceive of a new Amiga not made by CUSA?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: magnetic on April 13, 2011, 02:57:43 AM
Ah well my bad guys i'd love to see this come to fruition. I also want the X1000 to succeed and the new C64!
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Iggy on April 13, 2011, 03:11:09 AM
Quote from: magnetic;631331
Ah well my bad guys i'd love to see this come to fruition. I also want the X1000 to succeed and the new C64!

I'd settle for Powerbook support under MorphOS (or better yet, G5 support).
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 13, 2011, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;631322
Is the MMU likely to be added in future revisions?

Current FPGA tech (that is, chips that are affordable enough to use in projects like this) does not really allow a MMU, because it would slow the CPU design down too much to be acceptable.
FPGA tech is advancing super fast though, and it might be possible in a future Natami design with a more advanced FPGA. But in my opinion the power of a more advanced FPGA should rather be  focused on making the CPU and chipset even faster than hogging it down  with a MMU.

The goal is to run AmigaOS and AROS, and they do not need MMU:s. The MMU is primarily useful for devtools like MuForce/Enforcer etc. So it is not a big drawback (unless you want to try and run Linux, of course). But then there is a 68060 expansion card to play with if you want.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: vidarh on April 13, 2011, 09:15:54 AM
Quote from: Forcie;631376
The goal is to run AmigaOS and AROS, and they do not need MMU:s.


They might not *need* MMU, but partial memory protection for AROS using MMU is in the works. Personally I see this as the biggest drawback of the Natami. It's still awesome enough that I'll buy one, but it'd be a lot more interesting with a MMU - nothing would prevent  you from making it optional (e.g. possible to turn it on/off at boot time or runtime) so it doesn't affect performance for those who don't want it... But I accept that there doesn't appear to be much support for the idea of a full MMU in your team (based on the public forum discussions, at least).
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: kolla on April 13, 2011, 09:31:50 AM
What prevents a CPU card for Natami with a real 68k on it?
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 13, 2011, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: kolla;631380
What prevents a CPU card for Natami with a real 68k on it?

If you did not already notice, we already _have_ a CPU card with a real 68060 on it for the SZorro bus. Two versions in fact (including the rare SMD 060FE chip which is factory specced at 133 MHz)

http://www.natami.net/hardware.htm
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Forcie on April 13, 2011, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: vidarh;631379
nothing would prevent  you from making it optional (e.g. possible to turn it on/off at boot time or runtime) so it doesn't affect performance for those who don't want it...

It is just not that simple. The entire CPU design has to be rethought and reworked if a MMU is to be included, even if it could be turned off. And even if it could be turned off, it would affect the design performance-wise. So it is not a realistic option for the close future.

It is cool that AROS is getting memory protection though! I hope that AROS68k will get proper planar screenmodes soon so I can play with it some more :)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: vidarh on April 13, 2011, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: Forcie;631385
It is just not that simple. The entire CPU design has to be rethought and reworked if a MMU is to be included, even if it could be turned off. And even if it could be turned off, it would affect the design performance-wise. So it is not a realistic option for the close future.


I'm curious as to why this would be the case for the Natami CPU designs. It'd require some quite odd design decisions, IMHO.

Every "real" 680x0 design since the 68010 has been able to support a fully external MMU just by supporting full recovery after a bus fault and external bus mastering.

With those two features in place, the CPU doesn't need to know whether or not the MMU is there or not. The only way the CPU would "notice" the presence of a MMU would be that it'd occasionally lose bus access or get a bus fault if the MMU had a TLB miss or an access violation respectively - if the MMU isn't present, nothing would interfere with memory accesses.

Many early MMU designs did this. Sun and others even managed to do this with plain 68000's, though doing this on a 68000 required some pretty nasty "magic" and/or running two 68000's in parallel on the same instruction stream (yikes, but it worked), offset so that you could halt and restart the second CPU when the first caused an access violation (because the trapped instructions are not fully restartable).

A MMU design that slowed down the CPU when it's turned off would a be a major design flaw, IMHO, as there's no good reason for that to be the case at all. Most designs with MMU's only ever "lose" cycles due to the presence of the MMU if there's a TLB miss or access violation even when the MMU is on.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: SamuraiCrow on April 13, 2011, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: vidarh;631390
I'm curious as to why this would be the case for the Natami CPU designs. It'd require some quite odd design decisions, IMHO.

Every "real" 680x0 design since the 68010 has been able to support a fully external MMU just by supporting full recovery after a bus fault and external bus mastering.

With those two features in place, the CPU doesn't need to know whether or not the MMU is there or not. The only way the CPU would "notice" the presence of a MMU would be that it'd occasionally lose bus access or get a bus fault if the MMU had a TLB miss or an access violation respectively - if the MMU isn't present, nothing would interfere with memory accesses.

Many early MMU designs did this. Sun and others even managed to do this with plain 68000's, though doing this on a 68000 required some pretty nasty "magic" and/or running two 68000's in parallel on the same instruction stream (yikes, but it worked), offset so that you could halt and restart the second CPU when the first caused an access violation (because the trapped instructions are not fully restartable).

A MMU design that slowed down the CPU when it's turned off would a be a major design flaw, IMHO, as there's no good reason for that to be the case at all. Most designs with MMU's only ever "lose" cycles due to the presence of the MMU if there's a TLB miss or access violation even when the MMU is on.


IIRC, the N68050 shares its memory controller with the SuperAGA chipset.  This makes external mastering difficult.  Also, the bus faulting requires a few extra stages in the pipeline which will make the CPU suffer more dramatic performance losses if code doesn't follow a linear path (eg. with branching).  But I'm not the expert on these issues so I'll leave you to think about this.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: vidarh on April 13, 2011, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: SamuraiCrow;631453
IIRC, the N68050 shares its memory controller with the SuperAGA chipset.  This makes external mastering difficult.  


That certainly does qualify as "odd". Fair enough tradeoff I suppose, though a pity given the loss of functionality.

Quote

Also, the bus faulting requires a few extra stages in the pipeline which will make the CPU suffer more dramatic performance losses if code doesn't follow a linear path (eg. with branching).


Sounds strange. You shouldn't need more than the ability to effectively halt execution, clear the pipeline and store the full user-observable state (all registers, condition codes and the PC value at the start of the instruction as well as information of the access that caused the error) to stack. Then again I'm not privy to the design of the 68050, so maybe there are good reasons.

Of course this would cause a full pipeline stall, but then again when you have to call an exception handler to handle an access violation triggered by an MMU, the cost of a pipeline stall is a rounding error.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Bamiga2002 on April 13, 2011, 08:40:19 PM
There was a thorough discussion about the MMU and how it slows down the system on Natami forum (search there).  It left me the impression that it is not necessarily needed anywhere but debugging and that can be done within WinUAE. So bye bye MMU for me i won't miss you :) (then again i'm no programmer).

Great to see this project has had steady progress, been lurking 'round the forum quite often ;)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Nickman on April 13, 2011, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631200
@Hattig
A tiny CPLD handling I/O for floppy and joyports.

@Kesa
Yes. The image with the errors was made by a forum member, so I made a proper version after that. But the image with the errors happened to be posted on FB by mistake. :)


Yeah that was me :( i made the original pic in like 3 min just to have something that i could point to when i asked what was on the board.

I guess this will haunt me for ever thanks to the internet. :)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: vidarh on April 13, 2011, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;631494
It left me the impression that it is not necessarily needed anywhere but debugging and that can be done within WinUAE.


It's not "needed" if you're happy with AmigaOS 3.x the way it is (vs. taking advantage of it as AROS gains at least basic memory protection) and/or is happy with not being able to seriously use it for software development without frequent reboots and/or using the 68060 daughterboard.

For a lot of users that's perfectly fine.

But it sucks in that it makes it a massive pain to use for software development without adding a quite significant expense of a 60860. If I'm going to be using UAE anyway it defeats a lot of the point of getting a Natami in the first place.

It doesn't suck enough that it'll prevent me from buying one, but it does limit my interest somewhat.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Nickman on April 13, 2011, 10:43:05 PM
Quote from: Nickman;631497
Yeah that was me :( i made the original pic in like 3 min just to have something that i could point to when i asked what was on the board.

I guess this will haunt me for ever thanks to the internet. :)

New version i'm not totaly ashamed of.

http://img535.imageshack.us/i/natamipinout.png/
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 13, 2011, 10:55:24 PM
You know what'd be kinda fun? To install a NatAmi in the case of my dead Mac SE/30, that's what. I'd need to find a 9" SVGA monitor to scavenge from, though...
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: psxphill on April 13, 2011, 10:59:27 PM
Quote from: Forcie;631376
Current FPGA tech (that is, chips that are affordable enough to use in projects like this) does not really allow a MMU, because it would slow the CPU design down too much to be acceptable

As long as the address is in the translation cache then an mmu doesn't slow the cpu down. Unless you're really short on space in the fpga then it's just a choice of whether you want to support it or not.
 
IMO MMU is important enough that natami should support it.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: actung_bab on April 14, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: VingtTrois;631136
Yeah! Thanks Kesa.
that looks fantastic
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Iggy on April 14, 2011, 12:42:38 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;631519
You know what'd be kinda fun? To install a NatAmi in the case of my dead Mac SE/30, that's what. I'd need to find a 9" SVGA monitor to scavenge from, though...

That is a very odd idea. While the Mac SE/30 was one of the better early Macs, its still only an Apple.
You don't see people going out of their way to recreate those machines.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: commodorejohn on April 14, 2011, 12:49:00 AM
Quote from: Iggy;631534
That is a very odd idea. While the Mac SE/30 was one of the better early Macs, its still only an Apple.
You don't see people going out of their way to recreate those machines.
Yes, well, I'm an odd person. And it's more that I really, really like the look of the Snow White-design Macs - it reminds me of the Amiga 500, but a little more restrained. Be cool as hell to put an Amiga in there :)
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: DLH on April 14, 2011, 12:52:40 AM
RS-232, not RS-323 :)
 
Look nice.
 
DLH
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: B00tDisk on April 14, 2011, 12:53:12 AM
Quote from: Iggy;631534
That is a very odd idea. While the Mac SE/30 was one of the better early Macs, its still only an Apple.
You don't see people going out of their way to recreate those machines.


World's full of crazy people; I'm in the process of rebuilding (both software-wise and physically) a 333mhz IBM 390e Thinkpad.  Thing works just fine: there's no need to throw it away "just because".  I scavenged a wireless nic for it's internal mini-PCI cardslot instead of the modem that's currently there, and replaced the clunky old 24x CD-ROM with a DVD/CDRW that fits quite nicely. :)

What was it old doctor Banzai said?  "You're gonna find people come from all over."
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Bamiga2002 on April 14, 2011, 07:16:52 AM
Here's one MMU thread from Natami forum (http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=11000&order=&x=0)

@vidarh
We'll let's see what comes of it, they could be thinking of some solution with the MMU.
Title: Re: Second NatAmi MX board assembled!
Post by: Nickman on April 14, 2011, 06:40:13 PM
Quote from: DLH;631536
RS-232, not RS-323 :)
 
Look nice.
 
DLH


DOH DOH DOH!! :P I give up.