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Title: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: AmigaNG on March 01, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
Looks like due to the recent Settlement between Amiga Inc and Cloanto
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP

CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name.  :) Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be.
"

Now I'm just wondering does this mean Cloanto now could use the name? Amiga Forever renamed Workbench 5  :eek:

Who actually own Workbench name and who can use it?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 01, 2011, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: AmigaNG;618634
Looks like due to the recent Settlement between Amiga Inc and Cloanto
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP

CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name.  :) Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be.
"

Now I'm just wondering does this mean Cloanto now could use the name? Amiga Forever renamed Workbench 5  :eek:

Who actually own Workbench name and who can use it?


Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 01, 2011, 04:19:39 PM
Awe naw... :(

Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: F1Lupo on March 01, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
well it's a small step in the right direction & this will make amigans less sour about their PC's with Linux skins
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: number6 on March 01, 2011, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: Franko;618637
Awe naw... :(

Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(



Send a thank you note to amiga management, who has made all of this possible.

#6
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: jorkany on March 01, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: number6;618641
Send a thank you note to amiga management, who has made all of this possible.

#6


It's debatable as to who to address that email to.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: mpiva on March 01, 2011, 04:44:54 PM
I love how they try to spin their loss to their favor.  They sound just like my kids:

"Well fine, you boobyhead! I never wanted that name in the first place.  You can have your stupid name.  Commodore OS is a way better name anyway.  That's was I was going to use anyway.  I just said Workbench 5 'cause I... um... I... well.. just to bug you. 'Cause you're a boobyhead! Now leave me alone so I can go sulk in the corner."

 :roflmao:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: number6 on March 01, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: jorkany;618642
It's debatable as to who to address that email to.



Reply to addressbook #? all.
Recursive should cover the sub-directories nicely.

#6
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 01, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
Commodore OS is the name currently but it is subject to change.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
Show they still brain (but no Amiga heart).
Well, first Commodo appeared on their web site, we used to joke its antivirus.

Makes no difference their big skinning has other name to their project.
AmigaOS 5 (and Workbench 5) can only be result of progress of OS 4.0

_________________
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Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
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Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 05:09:52 PM
Quote from: nicholas;618636
Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.


Double dat!
Some of the retired dictators will be hired to help their worldwide domination :-)

_________________
AmigaOS 3.5 & 4.1 registered user
Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: AmigaNG;618634

Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.


Another sad case of their wild self exponations that generaly inslut AmigaOS and Amigas. There has been no CBM 64/128 related products aside from emulation joystick and boards, C64x is still a repacked ITX or small ATX modern PC clone board, while Amiga boards and AmigaOS are on sale and in development. Classic time Commodore Amiga brend was result of both, as Commodore USA and Commodore USA Amiga brands are result of nothing but licence purchase.

Hope this kind of their propaganda will not make much Amiga related news, now we are at least free to use our trademarks.

Last petition was to ask that they note use exact numeration of models, and they would be left to live with their fantasies. Mind that they have purchased just licence to use Amiga name in All In One computers like Phoenix and their Commodore64x

A petition was set to POLITELY ask CUSA to change their Amiga naming convention.

Text is

To: Commodore USA

It has come to our attention that Commodore USA is about to launch a new line of "AMIGA(tm)" branded computers using the classic Amiga(tm) naming convention. These new computers have absolutely nothing in common with the old Amiga(tm) computers other than the name.

By the reuse of the classic Amiga(tm) names we firmly believe that this will confuse potential users of the AmigaOS(tm) platforms, i.e. the AmigaONE(tm) line of computers.

Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON. The Amiga community today is focused around the AmigaOS and its derivatives. While Commodore USA might not see this as a primary market a lot of work both commercial and non-profitable has been put into the success of the Next Generation AmigaOS and the AmigaONE hardware. That is why the sudden introduction of a new Commodore branded Amiga 1000x could be seen as a way to buy into this success.

This is the reason why we wholeheartedly appeal to you to reconsider using the old classic Amiga numbering in your new line of Commodore Amigas.
Sincerely,

Link is
http://www.petitiononline.com/newamiga/petition.html

Knowing their PR, I doubt even strong petition would influence them,
but I have signed it.

My objection is not only confusion to AmigaOne series, but to Amiga Classics.

Some people still use Classics, and they are not reproducing Classic models of any kind. Having EXACT same name of the old and new model IS confusion (e.g. how to threat it on Wikipedia etc.). However, knowing it will be simple PC`s I doubt they will also ever enter Amiga history pages or Wikipedia articles: they have nothing to do with AmigaOS`s which is real Amiga criteria.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: jorkany on March 01, 2011, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: vox;618652
Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON.

This is like confusing the Tooth Fairy with the Easter Bunny.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
Whoever made petition made a bad example.

But Commodore Amiga 1000 is easy to confuse with Comoodre USA Amiga 1000, special if later has no USA in name.

It for sure isnt this computer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nwJMjhiwM
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: kolla on March 01, 2011, 06:17:42 PM
So when will Cloanto go after all other Workbench systems out there? :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 01, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: vox;618650
Double dat!
Some of the retired dictators will be hired to help their worldwide domination :-)

_________________
AmigaOS 3.5 & 4.1 registered user
Amiga goes PowerPC RISC
http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79


The brave Iranian people overthrew their Imperial Puppet Dictator in 1979.

Remind us how long the Chetniks put up with Bolshevik rule for?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheGoose on March 01, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
Quote from: Nicholas;618636
Commodore Amiga own it in Iran and the rest of the free world.


Nicholas, aren't you late for a revolution some where?

So there, how professional / smart  is this x-satellite hustler? Sets out, uses some trademark name that's not his, gets shot down. So what, keep moving, these dummies will buy anything. - That's what he thinks of us.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 01, 2011, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: TheGoose;618693
Nicholas, aren't you late for a revolution some where?


The second (and long over due) American Revolution could learn a lot from the Islamic Revolution. Take your country back my friend!

Quote

So there, how professional / smart  is this x-satellite hustler? Sets out, uses some trademark name that's not his, gets shot down. So what, keep moving, these dummies will buy anything. - That's what he thinks of us.


Anyone who buys something from him really is a dummy! :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 01, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
My Iranian relatives are moving as much of their assets outside of Iran while they can.  They feel the fake Ayyatollah is nearing the end of his rule and that once he's ousted the secret police will go on a rampage.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 01, 2011, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: persia;618704
My Iranian relatives are moving as much of their assets outside of Iran while they can.  They feel the fake Ayyatollah is nearing the end of his rule and that once he's ousted the secret police will go on a rampage.


Khaveh sho munafegh pedar sag.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Piru on March 01, 2011, 07:57:30 PM
Quote from: vox;618652
Another sad case of their wild self exponations that generaly inslut AmigaOS and Amigas. There has been no CBM 64/128 related products aside from emulation joystick and boards

In many ways Commodore community is a much healthier and more vigorous than amigoid one (and there's no infighting, everyone is enjoying themselves). There are tons of wicked HW projects too, for example: http://www.1541ultimate.net/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=20

And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.

Quote
Hope this kind of their propaganda will not make much Amiga related news

Regardless how we might feel about them they've every right to get their newsitems published. amiga.org is free for all.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 08:03:12 PM
Quote from: Piru;618709
I

And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.
.


I don`t. AMiga was Commodores best selling brend, but Commodore has lead Amiga to death. Amiga outlived Commodore, this is just an optical illusion, copyright zombie exploit.

Commodore 64 and 128D were great computers, I enjoyed my slimp cheap version for East Europe for years.

But thats a dumb exponation from company whose first Commodore is not selling yet, and next they say they gonna zombify all Commodore Amigas (that will not even resemble original Classics).
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheGoose on March 01, 2011, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Piru;618709
In many ways Commodore community is a much healthier and more vigorous than amigoid one (and there's no infighting, everyone is enjoying themselves). There are tons of wicked HW projects too, for example: http://www.1541ultimate.net/content/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=20

And I'd be inclined to agree that as a brand Commodore is much more recognizable than Amiga.


Regardless how we might feel about them they've every right to get their newsitems published. amiga.org is free for all.


Word Piru! So true, check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Nostalgiac on March 01, 2011, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: kolla;618667
So when will Cloanto go after all other Workbench systems out there? :)


I have a Workbench(tm) in my garage.. I just decided to call it "Workbench XXX" ... sue me !

ta
Tom UK
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Digiman on March 01, 2011, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: vox;618710
I don`t. AMiga was Commodores best selling brend, but Commodore has lead Amiga to death. Amiga outlived Commodore, this is just an optical illusion, copyright zombie exploit.

Commodore 64 and 128D were great computers, I enjoyed my slimp cheap version for East Europe for years.

But thats a dumb exponation from company whose first Commodore is not selling yet, and next they say they gonna zombify all Commodore Amigas (that will not even resemble original Classics).

C64 had about 2-300% more sales than all Amiga models.

oh and just to be clear Cloanto also need to go bankrupt sharpish so don't be a prick by buying their rubbish.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: Digiman;618725
C64 had about 2-300% more sales than all Amiga models.


Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: jorkany on March 01, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: vox;618726
Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?


I think he may have been referring to this statement of yours:
Quote
AMiga was Commodores best selling brend


Amiga was not Commodore's best selling brand. The C64 far outpaced it in sales and popularity. Whether this helps CUSA or not doesn't seem to have been in the mix.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Digiman on March 01, 2011, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: vox;618726
Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?


Your English no good? You said Amiga was Comodore's biggest success. Wrong, that would be C64 @ 17+ million sold (lowest estimate).

I don't care about C=USA OR Cloanpoo :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Digiman;618730
Your English no good? You said Amiga was Comodore's biggest success. Wrong, that would be C64 @ 17+ million sold (lowest estimate).

I don't care about C=USA OR Cloanpoo :)


Oh, so 8-bit times were that BIG? And how many Sinclair ZX Spectrums were sold

P.S.
Can you please find me the SInclair QL numbers - that is a secret!

OK, I admit I was mistaken. But in my idealism Amiga has brought us to 32-bit digital consumer and creation era (digitizing, music, art, drawing, gaming, BBBS ...) and Commodore Bussines Machines were nice, but a bridge to it.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: actung_bab on March 01, 2011, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: Franko;618637
Awe naw... :(

Another ruddy thread about bullshit... :(
am sorry "bullshit" tm is trademarked to amiga inc there hoping to annouce a product based on
very soon and secret top secret partners on project
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: XDelusion on March 01, 2011, 10:26:25 PM
GOOD. I'm glad they dropped the Work Bench name. It has nothing to do with Work Bench sources.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: rebraist on March 01, 2011, 10:29:32 PM
I'll ever say: i hope the best for commodore, just for the name. And because they remember my very youth. If i think of those afternoon when i was thirteen playing platoon on my c64 or defender of the crown on my a500...
But amiga isn't linux...


edit: i miss commodore in the same way i miss reagan, the cold war, f111, voyager, crazy ball and twisted sisters... is it a bad thing?
edit2: gimme back my reaganian hedonism!!! mr michael j.fox where are you now?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Iggy on March 01, 2011, 10:35:18 PM
Damn, you folks can beat a topic into the ground!
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Piru on March 01, 2011, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: TheGoose;618711
check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml

Sweet! :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: XDelusion on March 01, 2011, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: TheGoose;618711
Word Piru! So true, check out what I'm getting from lovely Finland in a few days:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/malinto/dualsid/gallery.shtml

Goose: Do you know if this has any advantages over the SID2SID? I just received three 6581's in the mail for $22 shipped with fuses, and was about to goto work.

The one thing I'm wondering is if this board comes populated already or not. That's the down side (or up side depending on your perspective) is that you have to populate the board your self.

EDIT: NICE, you can order it pre-populated! :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 01, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
Dedication for most popular brand "Femmodore"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 02, 2011, 12:41:10 AM
Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Duce on March 02, 2011, 12:42:41 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;618858
Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.

I like the cut of your jib, Good Sir.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 02, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;618858
Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.

:roflmao:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: haywirepc on March 02, 2011, 01:59:38 AM
The hype continues. Still not one shipping product, unless you count their cto who is the only known purchaser of one of their products.
 
So far :
 
Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.
 
Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.  
 
Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.
 
copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)

Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.
 
Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.
 
Lots of announced then cancelled new products.
 
First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.
 
New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.
 
commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.
 
They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)
 
A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
 
Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
 
Steven
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: coldfish on March 02, 2011, 02:42:00 AM
This makes more sense, calling the C64x's OS Workbench5 was a dumb move in the first place.  

It displayed a complete lack of understanding of the two [separate] classic C= platforms and diluted/confused the branding, (which shows a lack of marketing savvy).

Same behaviour as usual then for C= and Amiga IP holders.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheGoose on March 02, 2011, 02:53:11 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;618827
Goose: Do you know if this has any advantages over the SID2SID? I just received three 6581's in the mail for $22 shipped with fuses, and was about to goto work.

The one thing I'm wondering is if this board comes populated already or not. That's the down side (or up side depending on your perspective) is that you have to populate the board your self.

EDIT: NICE, you can order it pre-populated! :)

I'm getting 2 assembled! It is way better than that crap SID2SID.
"Second SID can be either 8580 or 6581 with any C64"

And it will work with MESSIAH too...

Read over the site, email the guy, he does PayPal, pretty reasonable I think.

To hook back into the subject if there's one still left, I think we are doing pretty good without a true mothership company, just look around. I think decentralized community / platform(s) is what will work, and be fun.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 02:56:57 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;618873
Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
 
Steven


C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers.  Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it.  The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority.  Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: F1Lupo on March 02, 2011, 03:02:43 AM
@ haywirepc

I see you've changed your tune again about CUSA
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Duce on March 02, 2011, 03:24:53 AM
While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests.  Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause".

Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums.  That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences.  Vested interests are vested interests, no?

I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Darrin on March 02, 2011, 03:43:20 AM
Quote from: dammy;618880
C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers.


So is that 5 or 10 units?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheGoose on March 02, 2011, 04:12:42 AM
Quote from: Duce;618882

Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums.  That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences.  Vested interests are vested interests, no?

I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.


Oohhhhh, busted. I didn't know that. Do they have any satellite dishes left?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 02, 2011, 04:27:31 AM
Quote from: klx300r;618881
@ haywirepc

I see you've changed your tune again about CUSA


ahh... thank you... :)

thought for a moment there I had gone senile and me memory was playing tricks on me... ;)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: AmigaEd on March 02, 2011, 04:31:35 AM
Quote from: Iggy;618817
Damn, you folks can beat a topic into the ground!

 
Ha! What an understatement, its been beat into the ground, through the Earth's core and popped out on the otherside! Now their starting over. :(
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: actung_bab on March 02, 2011, 05:42:04 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;618873
The hype continues. Still not one shipping product, unless you count their cto who is the only known purchaser of one of their products.
 
So far :
 
Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.
 
Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.  
 
Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.
 
copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)

Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.
 
Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.
 
Lots of announced then cancelled new products.
 
First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.
 
New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.
 
commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.
 
They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)
 
A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
 
Somehow I'm not feeling very positive about this commodore "revival".
 
Steven
gee you mean if buy pc they give me job sweet ceo of cleaning
Oh what grand design flawless great cpu power great os oh lovley.
hmmm
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 02, 2011, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: dammy;618880
C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers.  Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it.  The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority.  Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|


Maybe they were afraid real WB 5.0 might be out by that time?
(Black humor on both camps)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Daedalus on March 02, 2011, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: dammy;618880
Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|


I'm delighted with this sensible turn of events, but I'm still curious as before as to how they're gonna develop a new OS to beta level in just one year. Is it still going to be Linux-based à la Android etc., or is it new from scratch?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Einstein on March 02, 2011, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: nicholas;618691
The brave Iranian people overthrew their Imperial Puppet Dictator in 1979.

Remind us how long the Chetniks put up with Bolshevik rule for?


Certainly there needs to be a Zoo forum for you and Metalman (where is the old pig ? :lol:) to spit your selfish and anti-democratic slime in and on each other. This thread reads "Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS" doesn't it ?!
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 02, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
If any of you seriously believe any of these "products" will ever see the light of day, you need your heads read.  It's not even vapor-ware, it's imagine-ware, CUSA is just Amiga Inc mk2, put out a few press releases every few months, then deliver nothing, why?  Because the Commodore/Amiga names are worth absolutely nothing commercially in 2011, and anyone releasing anything like they're describing would be bankrupt in weeks, not even "great business men" like Barry like literally pissing their money away.

I can't explain why guys like Bill/Barry like to do this, but I'd bet my first-born on the fact we'll never see any of these products actually launched, but of course, I said the same about Amiga inc back in 2004 and we're still waiting for OS 5 et al.

Commodore (the real one) lost loads of money selling Commodore branded PCs in the late 80s/early 90s, no one bought them when the company was a big player, Escom also failed in the mid 90s with their Commodore range, so did Tulip in the late 90s, Commodore Gaming also went belly up iirc in 2008/9, what makes CUSA so confident the time is now right for Commodore badged PCs to be a success when they flopped even when CBM were a 5 billion dollar company, recognised by everyone in the world, and at least 5 times since?  Crazy talk.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 02, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: dammy;618880
C=USA is heavily focused on the C64x's launch with all sorts of contractual obligations demanding C64x be ready in large numbers.  Given the speed of this all coming together, it's going to have to have fairly stock OSs for it.  The Amiga series, OTOH, is still being fleshed out while the C64x has very high priority.  Once the C64x is out in stores, then I expect C=USA release information about the Amiga series and it's OS. Ubunto is not that exciting to me, C=USA's the follow on OS that will be running on C=USA Amiga series has my interest peaked. Although such a OS will probably take nearly a year to get such a project to beta level testing. :-|

Dammy, from what I gather you went to visit Barry and now you're Commodore USA's biggest supporter?  I can't figure out if you're delusional, involved in the "company" somehow, or have just really bought into this BS?  

If you're just a believer who desperately wants a return to the glory-days, I feel sorry for you, because I fear you're going to be very disappointed if you're pinning your hopes on this being a global relaunch of a successful Commodore brand, there is NO WAY this can be a successful project, even if any of it is actually real.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: vox;618726
Great for Commodore. And that alone helps CUSA in 2011? Dont be childish. They don`t like they know its a problem to use Workbench name and need sound excuse. If so, why they dont realise Commodore 1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000?


Actually Barry talked to AI about using the name Workbench OS and they cleared it as they thought they would win the trademark issue with Cloanto.  No harm done and a new name will be used.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 02, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
Quote from: Duce;618882
While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests.  Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause"..

From what I see, it's one guy who's running this show, and a few other guys who are blindly believing everything he's saying, probably because they want to believe so bad that Commodore/Amiga can come back and be a big player again, it's kinda sad :(  

I'd love to see the Amiga back in highstreet stores again (not in the way CUSA are proposing though), but I accepted many decades ago that it's never going to happen again, sometimes you need to know when to let go.

This whole thing actually reminds me of when old boy/girl bands from the 80s suddenly get the "great idea" of reforming 25 years on and expecting the same success they had at their peak, only to release a single that doesn't make the top 100, because the world has moved on, and then 6 months later they're back playing "Retro" nightclub events for $50 a night.  But even Bananarama and Tiffany still have their fans on Twitter who believe they'll get number 1s again, doesn't mean it's ever going to happen though.

Similarly, saying you own a Commodore computer or you're a Commodore fan, will usually get the same reaction as saying you're a New Kids on the Block or Rick Astley fan, a little sneer and people thinking you're a bit tragic.  At least the Amiga/Commodore has a nice nostalgic memory for most people, but no one would take these relics from another era as a serious name/product to buy today.

Someone should do a real survey of "normal consumers" and ask "Would you buy a new computer from Commodore or Amiga today?", I don't think the answers would be what you're hoping, probably the same as if they were asked "Would you buy a Hypercolor t-shirt or a rara skirt if we put them back on sale?".
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: Duce;618882
While I have no problems with people being pro or anti C-USA or anything else, I wish people involved with C-USA would, in the interest of full disclosure: state they have vested interests.  Opinions from people with vested interests on controversial topics like this are obviously biased - just like they were when that CTO Leo guy was pounding the pulpit for "the cause".

Nothing personal Dammy, but you're a moderator over there on C-USA forums.  That no doubt has some bearing on the things you say that some people here may be reading and accepting as personal and unbiased opinion without outside influences.  Vested interests are vested interests, no?


For the record, I am not an investor of C=USA nor am I an employee of C=USA.  Yeah, I do moderate, for free, CAO.  If you look who is who on CAO, you will see a very strong and long term supporters for AROS.  I was the first company (Black Troll Technology Corporation which is now known (named changed but still FL corporation) as Nostromo Inc) to sell AROS boxes.  Nostromo Inc is no longer involved with computers or sales of computers.

I was the original person to start bounties up for anything Amiga related with my TeamAROS.  Prior to all that, I ran a ProCNet BBS with free UUCP (newsgroups and email) in Palm Beach County for seven years.  Do I get some tid bit of information here and there, yes, but then again so does a moderator on AO.


Quote
I wouldn't expect a Ford salesman to try and sell me, or say a kind word - about a Chev product, but I'd expect the Ford salesman to admit he's a salesman for Ford, lol.


Well I got some news for you then, I have no vested interest in C=USA.  Happy now?  So exactly which Amigalike computers/OSs do you currently have?  In the name of full disclosure of course so we know who you are supporting.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Khephren on March 02, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: dammy;618946
Actually Barry talked to AI about using the name Workbench OS and they cleared it as they thought they would win the trademark issue with Cloanto.  No harm done and a new name will be used.


Fair play, I think it's about time you showed your C= affiliation in your sig though.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:23:05 PM
Quote from: Darrin;618883
So is that 5 or 10 units?


In the order of tens of thousands for the big box store, not sure what the major online retailer has ordered.  When you start seeing the TV adds, you will understand the big picture.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 02, 2011, 01:29:18 PM
Hi Randy (AKA Dammy) ... :)

How's life out there in deep space aboard the Nostromo these days, not still being chase around by those big silver toothed acid bleeding aliens are you... ;)

Good thing you learned how to become an Instrument Pilot on one of those wee Fixed Wing aircrafts, came in handy for flying that ruddy big spaceship out there in deep space, just don't answer any more distress calls from stranded colonists on those far off worlds. Your most likely to pick up some more of those big nasty aliens again... :)

Hope you've kept a good supply of eXfuze to keep you hydrated and lively on those deep space flights piloting the Nostromo and while you wandering the universe remember to keep reading up on the US Postal Service and Nutrition as a lot of things can change back here on earth while your zooming about at the edge of the universe... ;)

Cheers

Franko

PS: make up your mind is Nostromo Inc a distributer of eXfuse or AROS Boxes... ;)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: vox;618908
Maybe they were afraid real WB 5.0 might be out by that time?
(Black humor on both camps)


Time is so very short, I don't think so.  I have a feeling what is released on the C64x will be slightly modified Ubunto vs heavily modified Ubunto.  What I'm so interested in will start after the C64x's launch as I really don't  care much about Ubunto, I'm a Fedora user. ;)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Khephren;618950
Fair play, I think it's about time you showed your C= affiliation in your sig though.


Should I also show Amiga Inc and Asiarim too?  Some how I don't think any would be happy if I did. :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Duce on March 02, 2011, 01:37:46 PM
I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.

We good?  I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: Franko;618952
Hi Randy (AKA Dammy) ... :)

How's life out there in deep space aboard the Nostromo these days, not still being chase around by those big silver toothed acid bleeding aliens are you... ;)

Good thing you learned how to become an Instrument Pilot on one of those wee Fixed Wing aircrafts, came in handy for flying that ruddy big spaceship out there in deep space, just don't answer any more distress calls from stranded colonists on those far off worlds. Your most likely to pick up some more of those big nasty aliens again... :)

Hope you've kept a good supply of eXfuze to keep you hydrated and lively on those deep space flights piloting the Nostromo and while you wandering the universe remember to keep reading up on the US Postal Service and Nutrition as a lot of things can change back here on earth while your zooming about at the edge of the universe... ;)

Cheers

Franko

PS: make up your mind is Nostromo Inc a distributer of eXfuse or AROS Boxes... ;)


Wow, I have my second internet stalker, Franko!  I'm so happy.  You and Atheist2 will look so nice sitting together while cyber-stalking me.  Can we have a pic of you two sitting together?  BTW, you have not dug deep enough yet, you're missing quiet a few things but I'm sure if you do not find it, Atheist2 will find it.  Keep up the good work old chap!
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Duce;618956
I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.

We good?  I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.


Those who have been on AO for any length of time knows which systems I've supported over the years.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 02, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: dammy;618957
Wow, I have my second internet stalker, Franko!  I'm so happy.  You and Atheist2 will look so nice sitting together while cyber-stalking me.  Can we have a pic of you two sitting together?  BTW, you have not dug deep enough yet, you're missing quiet a few things but I'm sure if you do not find it, Atheist2 will find it.  Keep up the good work old chap!


Oh don't worry Randy I've dug deep, very deep... ;)

Just keeping the good stuff in reserve for the right time old bean... :roflmao:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: Franko;618959
Oh don't worry Randy I've dug deep, very deep... ;)

Just keeping the good stuff in reserve for the right time old bean... :roflmao:


Keep up the good work!  Soon you can become my number one stalker!  Atheist2 is spending too much time on youtube to keep up his #1 position as the top stalker.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 02, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
Quote from: dammy;618961
Keep up the good work!  Soon you can become my number one stalker!  Atheist2 is spending too much time on youtube to keep up his #1 position as the top stalker.


Awe c'mon, tell me please is it eXfuse or AROS... :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: Franko;618963
Awe c'mon, tell me please is it eXfuse or AROS... :)


Don't become a lazy git on me, work for it!
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 02, 2011, 02:09:50 PM
Quote from: Duce;618956
I own a SAM 440, A1200, Mac Mini running unregged MorphOS, and recently put together a spare PC and am running AROS on it.

We good?  I never questioned your loyalty or preference in which system you use, I couldn't care less.


But you don`t intend to use Commodo(re)OS?

Neither do I. Here is my celebration of its WB to Commodore Change!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek

A new company that has got rights to the Amiga name and is planning some cool looking All in One computers, the only problem, it basically a PC not an Amiga, plus they have made matter worst by the way they handled them self in the community, using images that are not there's, threatening legal action (now dropped), attacking Aros users, and basically being ass holes. But hopefully we might get some cool looking cases out of it....but don't hold your breath. This video has absolutely nothing to do with CommodoreUSA

As response to news
CommodoreUSA is no longer using Workbench 5 as the name. Once again proving that C=USA using names before they checked weather they could use it.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx

From the forum:-
"Well, as you may have realised we were never firm on the name of our Commodore OS. So Commodore OS it is.
Clearly the Commodore brand is stronger than the Amiga brand.
It is definitely stronger than the Workbench name also.
It probably didn't make much sense as the name of the OS on the C64x and we were thinking of calling that Commodore OS anyway.
Our initial thoughts were to go with Commodore OS, well before we got the Amiga trademark licensed.
I am greatly relieved at the outcome actually, as the Workbench name gave rise to an immense amount of fanciful expectations of what our OS will be. "
(My repost have everything to do with CUSA)
----------
So far :

Starting using commodore name before having legal permission to do so.

Launched a website before having legal permission to use the commodore name or trademarks.

Starting using workbench name before having legal rights to do so.

copied and pasted apples website to their own site. (never admitted, but its been proven multiple times)

Ceo threatens to sue osnews.com for stating facts.

Ceo retracts legal threat after realizing what an asshole he is.

Lots of announced then cancelled new products.

First trashed, then embraced aros, then switched to using ubuntu with a commodore wallper.

New products being announced every month, but not one shipping yet.

commodore stickers slapped on cybernet zpc's. (only one sold) The guy that bought one is their new chief technical officer.

They announce a new Commodore/amiga OS :
Commodore wallpapers on ubuntu. (Calling it workbench V)

A new company shipping amiga branded computers before them.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 02, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: vox;618971
But you don`t intend to use Commodo(re)OS?

Neither do I. Here is my celebration of its WB to Commodore Change!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s83-GtlCzek


Wowsers... didn't realise you were the one behind that neat little video, watched it quite a few times before, brought a smile to me grumpy old face... :)

Got me own little spoof ad ready and waiting for the day (if it ever comes) when "they who shall not be named" finally launch something... ;)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: cecilia on March 02, 2011, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;618858
Last time i checked, Commodore OS had a perfectly fine name - Ubuntu.
I'm posting from my Ubuntu even as we speak   :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 02, 2011, 02:45:35 PM
It's beginning to look like Unix everywhere, Mac OS, Android, iOS, RIM's Play thing tablet.  What an exciting time.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 02, 2011, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: persia;618985
It's beginning to look like Unix everywhere, Mac OS, Android, iOS, RIM's Play thing tablet.  What an exciting time.


Well, everywhere if you don't count the 90% of computers in the world that run Windows I suppose.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 02, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
Quote from: dammy;618953
 I have a feeling what is released on the C64x will be slightly modified Ubunto vs heavily modified Ubunto.

Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu.  It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.

As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year?  OH!  and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it?  Yeah.  Gonna happen. :lol:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 02, 2011, 04:42:48 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619007
Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu.  It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.

As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year?  OH!  and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it?  Yeah.  Gonna happen. :lol:


After deciding to skin Ubuntu, what do they a whole year?
That does that means Commodore USA Amigas will be avail in 2012?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 02, 2011, 04:56:35 PM
And of course Ubuntu itself will always be debian at it's heart.  Linux legacies are long and strong.

Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619007
Firstly, its Ubuntu (only one vowel in there, no need to add in extras), and secondly, there is no such thing as a "heavily modified" Ubuntu.  It will be ubuntu, drawing from ubuntu or medibuntu repos, and perhaps if BillyBob can afford serverspace somewhere, a "cawmmehDourOHS" repo that hosts their "Heavily Modified" Gnome DE.

As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year?  OH!  and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it?  Yeah.  Gonna happen. :lol:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 05:32:05 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619007
As for writing their own monolithic or microkernel from scratch to beta testing in a year?  OH!  and all of the software (Windowing environments, device drivers - and good luck getting Nvidia/Intel/ATI to release the full HW specs so you can write your own!) that runs on top of it?  Yeah.  Gonna happen. :lol:


I never said they were going to write their own kernel, did I?   If Apple didn't with their Billions in the bank, why would C=USA?  Apple leveraged a lot of existing FOSS, and C=USA will more then likely follow suit as well, if not more so then what Apple did.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 05:33:56 PM
Quote from: vox;619020
After deciding to skin Ubuntu, what do they a whole year?
That does that means Commodore USA Amigas will be avail in 2012?


Far sooner, initially with Ubuntu or some tweak of it.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: haywirepc on March 02, 2011, 05:34:52 PM
At this point, I'm pretty sure it will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper.
 
Somehow, I'm not feeling very confident that they can accomplish anything other than renaming existing products.
 
Steven
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;619038
At this point, I'm pretty sure it will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper.
 
Somehow, I'm not feeling very confident that they can accomplish anything other than renaming existing products.
 
Steven


I would say that is a fairly safe bet.  Considering support logistics of the end users (live phone support) with a fast startup, the support site has to be well trained prior to launch.  Now a fully customized OS, support manuals can be written as the OS is coded and or modified but that all takes a significant amount of time to achieve.  Both in code and support being developed.  Even more so if C=USA goes with their own support center, logistic demands increase rapidly.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 02, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
Quote from: dammy;619037
Far sooner, initially with Ubuntu or some tweak of it.


Ubuntu CommodoOS! Welcome 2011
Linux based OS with Amiga emulation

Now what and how accurate emulation?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: EDanaII on March 02, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: dammy;619042
I would say that is a fairly safe bet.  Considering support logistics of the end users (live phone support) with a fast startup, the support site has to be well trained prior to launch.  Now a fully customized OS, support manuals can be written as the OS is coded and or modified but that all takes a significant amount of time to achieve.  Both in code and support being developed.  Even more so if C=USA goes with their own support center, logistic demands increase rapidly.


Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.

My humble opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Iggy on March 02, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
Quote from: danwood;618997
Well, everywhere if you don't count the 90% of computers in the world that run Windows I suppose.


The NT kernel isn't that far removed from those products.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 02, 2011, 07:57:17 PM
I think he's saying they want to be another Apple, with their own app store and legions of mom & pop coders.  Or maybe he just watched Steve's presentation and is confused.


Quote from: EDanaII;619052
Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.

My humble opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 02, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;619052
Once Linux is in place, Linux is all it will be. And Linux does not an Amiga make.

My humble opinion, of course.


IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux.  It needs a custom OS that will be different.  C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 02, 2011, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: dammy;619076
IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux.  It needs a custom OS that will be different.  C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point.


So which publishers have they licenced games from?

Or are they still encouraging people to download pirated D64 images?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Daedalus on March 02, 2011, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: dammy;619076
IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux.  It needs a custom OS that will be different.


See, this is the bit I still don't understand. A new, custom OS is great, it means it might actually be Amiga-like in the same way that AROS is... But what software will it run? If it's not based on Linux or something similar, how will it run OpenOffice, Firefox or any of the creativity software the new "Amiga" is supposed to be created for? Or is the CUSA development team going to develop the whole OS *and* port all these huge apps and all their dependencies? If they don't port the apps it'll be in a worse state than AROS is for launch. And that's not going to make them significant money either.

Look at Haiku: Several years in the making, it's only at Alpha 2 release, it has an out-of-date browser which has just been replaced by a newer, sometimes unstable one, and an unusably unstable office suite. I know it's largely a volunteers project, but do CUSA really have the developers to pull that off?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Daedalus on March 02, 2011, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: nicholas;619079
So which publishers have they licenced games from?

Or are they still encouraging people to download pirated D64 images?


Looks like they've changed the wording on the website so they no longer officially condone piracy... Maybe we should charge them for all the consultancy and legal advice these forums provide them ;)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on March 02, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
Quote from: Daedalus;619088
See, this is the bit I still don't understand. A new, custom OS is great, it means it might actually be Amiga-like in the same way that AROS is... But what software will it run? If it's not based on Linux or something similar, how will it run OpenOffice, Firefox or any of the creativity software the new "Amiga" is supposed to be created for? Or is the CUSA development team going to develop the whole OS *and* port all these huge apps and all their dependencies? If they don't port the apps it'll be in a worse state than AROS is for launch. And that's not going to make them significant money either.

Look at Haiku: Several years in the making, it's only at Alpha 2 release, it has an out-of-date browser which has just been replaced by a newer, sometimes unstable one, and an unusably unstable office suite. I know it's largely a volunteers project, but do CUSA really have the developers to pull that off?

It is a big problem, but it is not impossible to make it run Linux apps out of the box, something like MOS does with the ABox for the Amiga PPC.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Daedalus on March 02, 2011, 11:01:50 PM
Ummm, so they'll build an emulation of a Linux kernel, X server, desktop etc. in a sandbox with full API pass-throughs to their new OS? Wow, now I'm *really* interested in how they'll manage to write all that from scratch. Or will it be Linux in a virtual machine?

I guess if they keep the applications with their own desktop environment separate from the actual OS desktop it wouldn't be that hard, but then it's more like AmiCygnix than ABox. That'll work (it does on AmigaOS4), but it certainly won't feel integrated or professional doing it that way.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on March 02, 2011, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Daedalus;619100
Ummm, so they'll build an emulation of a Linux kernel, X server, desktop etc. in a sandbox with full API pass-throughs to their new OS? Wow, now I'm *really* interested in how they'll manage to write all that from scratch. Or will it be Linux in a virtual machine?

I guess if they keep the applications with their own desktop environment separate from the actual OS desktop it wouldn't be that hard, but then it's more like AmiCygnix than ABox. That'll work (it does on AmigaOS4), but it certainly won't feel integrated or professional doing it that way.

Mind you, that was just me saying one of the ways of incorporating Linux. It doesn't mean they'll do it that way.

I often find myself wondering one very important question. If it is not better, if it's not offering something new, why bother with reinventing the wheel? Just to be different? ahh... it works for hobby, but not on the serious market.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: haywirepc on March 02, 2011, 11:12:11 PM
All this talk is worthless. It will be ubuntu with a commodore wallpaper and theme. Thats about as innovative as you can expect from them.
 
Move along nothing to see here. We've all seen ubuntu. (snooze)
 
Steven
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: EDanaII on March 02, 2011, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: dammy;619076
IMO, C=USA will not be able to make significant money buy selling Amigas with Linux.  It needs a custom OS that will be different.  C64x can be done with Linux, the OS is not the main draw but the retro games it plays will be it's main sell point


Agreed.

But in order to support the development of a "custom" OS they need a stronger business model than the one they are currently presenting. Sales based on nostalgia isn't going to be enough to drive that kind of development.

Only time will tell...
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Daedalus on March 02, 2011, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;619101

I often find myself wondering one very important question. If it is not better, if it's not offering something new, why bother with reinventing the wheel? Just to be different? ahh... it works for hobby, but not on the serious market.


Yep, that's what many of us have been trying to figure out. Having emulation layers to support non-native software in place of native software isn't better, it isn't new and it certainly won't fly in the serious market. So it looks like: a) it'll just be Linux with a more thorough skinning than the one on the C64x, maybe a new desktop at a push, b) a totally new OS with emulation to replace the lack of native software and modern features, which will be a marketing disaster, or c) CUSA have the funds to bankroll dozens of developers for several years to come up with a genuinely viable OS and ecosystem, and the marketing, support and distribution of it all.

Place your bets now please.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Darrin on March 02, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
If they're relying on nostalga then they'll be shit out of luck as a FPGA Arcade with Amiga, c64, atari st, arcade machine, etc cores will wipe the floor with anything they can produce.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on March 02, 2011, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: Daedalus;619105
Yep, that's what many of us have been trying to figure out. Having emulation layers to support non-native software in place of native software isn't better, it isn't new and it certainly won't fly in the serious market. So it looks like: a) it'll just be Linux with a more thorough skinning than the one on the C64x, maybe a new desktop at a push, b) a totally new OS with emulation to replace the lack of native software and modern features, which will be a marketing disaster, or c) CUSA have the funds to bankroll dozens of developers for several years to come up with a genuinely viable OS and ecosystem, and the marketing, support and distribution of it all.

Place your bets now please.

I wasn't aiming at that... I was more speaking of Linux, more specifically Linux kernel and why would one need to write a new one.

If you go any other route than Linux, then you're bound to end up in a porting hell just like AOS, Syllable, Haiku and similar OSes are doing.
Very few native developments, mostly software ported from Linux/Windows.

In that situation, one musk oneself. Do I really need to invest and make a completely new OS just to run mostly the same apps/games that I'd do on Linux, but more buggy and slower? Obvious answer is obvious.

Naturally, if you're doing it for fun and hobby, why not. I'd do it. If you wanna be serious, UNIX/Linux is what is needed today.

I can't think of any major, successful OS(including desktop and mobile) in recent years that wasn't based on UNIX/Linux or wasn't POSIX, besides Windows. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: adz on March 02, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
You know who the real victims are here...The poor legal staff who have to listen to and deal with this bullshit...
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: jorkany on March 02, 2011, 11:59:25 PM
Quote from: adz;619109
You know who the real victims are here...The poor legal staff who have to listen to and deal with this bullshit...


Crying in their chardonnay, I feel for them.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 03, 2011, 12:14:47 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;619107
I
In that situation, one musk oneself.


I'd rather not, if it is all the same to you.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 12:29:50 AM
Quote from: persia;619025
And of course Ubuntu itself will always be debian at it's heart.  Linux legacies are long and strong.

Baby steps, Persia...baby steps.  Dammy has a lot on his mind to go looking too deeply at the glorious twists and turns that are linux distributions.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: AmigaEd on March 03, 2011, 12:37:14 AM
Quote from: EDanaII;619052
And Linux does not an Amiga make.
 

Not really relevant to the topic, but was that quote borrowed from Yoda?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: EDanaII on March 03, 2011, 03:22:53 AM
LOL!

Actually, I was going for Shakespeare. ;)

"To be or to be not. The question that is!"
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 03, 2011, 03:46:44 AM
Quote from: EDanaII;619104
Agreed.

But in order to support the development of a "custom" OS they need a stronger business model than the one they are currently presenting. Sales based on nostalgia isn't going to be enough to drive that kind of development.

Only time will tell...


Depends on which line your talking about.  C64x?  Vic series?  Amiga series?  If your talking nostalgia for Amiga series, your quiet correct, there isn't any to tap into for the number of unit sales Barry is looking for.  That will require something more special with excellent marketing.  

For right now, just watch what happens with the C64x as that is the first product line to get the full effort.  Vic and Amiga series will follow afterwards but you should be able to tell how it will all be done using C64x's launch as a benchmark.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 03, 2011, 05:09:24 AM
@ Dammy

Still waiting for the answer... Was it eXfuze or AROS you were distributing... :D
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 03, 2011, 05:16:00 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619116
Baby steps, Persia...baby steps.  Dammy has a lot on his mind to go looking too deeply at the glorious twists and turns that are linux distributions.


Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: dammy on March 03, 2011, 05:17:10 AM
Quote from: Franko;619176
@ Dammy

Still waiting for the answer... Was it eXfuze or AROS you were distributing... :D


You are being a lazy git.  Go hunt the answer down like a good little stalker, I am not doing the work for you.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 03, 2011, 05:19:58 AM
Quote from: dammy;619179
Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.


They're planning to rip as many gullible folk off as they can by selling an off the shelf parts PC running an emulator at (most likely) ridiculous prices and adding the various brand names to make it look legit...:D
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: XDelusion on March 03, 2011, 05:24:54 AM
You know, I think this is the only conversation that actually has anything to do with the Commodore in this thread. ;)

ANyhoo, I wrote the guy, thankx for the link!

Quote from: TheGoose;618879
I'm getting 2 assembled! It is way better than that crap SID2SID.
"Second SID can be either 8580 or 6581 with any C64"

And it will work with MESSIAH too...

Read over the site, email the guy, he does PayPal, pretty reasonable I think.

To hook back into the subject if there's one still left, I think we are doing pretty good without a true mothership company, just look around. I think decentralized community / platform(s) is what will work, and be fun.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 05:38:21 AM
Quote from: dammy;619179
Then you tell me exactly what C=USA is planning.


WELL, then!  Lemme tell ya!  They are planning on arriving way late to every party.  The whole PC clone market was done back in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: psxphill on March 03, 2011, 08:38:44 AM
Quote from: Franko;619182
They're planning to rip as many gullible folk off as they can by selling an off the shelf parts PC running an emulator

Thats better than ripping gullible folk off with parts that aren't even good enough to be put on the shelf to be put in a PC.
 
As PC hardware is at the cutting edge & is the cheapest, it would seem financial suicide to do anything else (see X1000).
 
Alienware seem to do quite a good job of selling an off the shelf parts PC for a lot of money.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 03, 2011, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: psxphill;619210
Thats better than ripping gullible folk off with parts that aren't even good enough to be put on the shelf to be put in a PC.
 
As PC hardware is at the cutting edge & is the cheapest, it would seem financial suicide to do anything else (see X1000).
 
Alienware seem to do quite a good job of selling an off the shelf parts PC for a lot of money.


No knowing who or what "Alienware" was I googled it... :eek:

If they can sell PCs at those prices then my beliefs have just been confirmed, folk who buy such PCs are either gullible, naive, rich, not very bright, just plain stupid or any combination of these... :D
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 03, 2011, 01:22:00 PM
Hmm... is there a point in having that "report" button here, kinda pointless removing the pathetic remark made by Dummy_2 about Dammy in the other thread and leaving this one here (post 112). reported it a couple of hours ago but it's still there... :(

(maybe it's something to with the lack of mods around here these days, some of them seem to have fallen off the edge of the earth... :))

(thank you (whomever) for removing that very offensive post... :))
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: EDanaII on March 03, 2011, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: dammy;619153
Depends on which line your talking about.  C64x?  Vic series?  Amiga series?  If your talking nostalgia for Amiga series, your quiet correct, there isn't any to tap into for the number of unit sales Barry is looking for.  That will require something more special with excellent marketing.


Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on March 03, 2011, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;619280
Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.

we'll see once the sales start.

I think C-64x and VIC-Book will do very fine.

New business model isn't needed because the current one hasn't yet been tested.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 03, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;619280
Until a new business model emerges, they will still be subject to criticism they are receiving now. And, honestly, I can't think of any model in this day and age that can. I doubt, for example, that Barry's funds are any where near that of Google's.


I doubt Barry's funds are even anywhere near those of Franko's ebay account.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 03, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
Android on the Desktop?  Might actually make sense, especially with a All-in-one like the HP Touchsmart.

But it's hard to see what party C=USA wouldn't be late to.  Introducing new desktops in the beginning year of the tablet wars.  Introducing media pcs in the year of internet TVs, etc.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Franko on March 03, 2011, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: nicholas;619292
I doubt Barry's funds are even anywhere near those of Franko's ebay account.


Ere... how do you know how much dosh I've been spending on evilBay lately, (I've been hacked by Nickerlass...) :eek:

Even had a phone call from the bank on Tuesday they were about to freeze my accounts cos they thought someone had stole my details and gone on a spending spree... :)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 03, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;619290
we'll see once the sales start.

I think C-64x and VIC-Book will do very fine.

New business model isn't needed because the current one hasn't yet been tested.


So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: vox;619301
So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY

So...if CUSA succeeds, everyone will listen to Reggae?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 03, 2011, 03:28:56 PM
The thought of Barry in dreadlocks.....
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 03:31:29 PM
I was always a fan of Toots and the Maytals:

[youtube]4x6IYNp4FXw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: jorkany on March 03, 2011, 03:35:30 PM
Quote from: vox;619301
Tan and see

What does this mean?
Are you threatening with melanoma?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 03, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: vox;619301
So exactly, IF C64/VIC do good (no reason why they shouldn`t, no reason why they should either as there are many PCs in many nice cases) THEN CUSA Amiga will be launched at all ELSE everything will be wapor as usual. Tan and see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycI_Hw2zNcY


It will only do well if the "retro" community buys them in significant numbers, no "normal" users will be attracted to an expensive PC in a 30 year old designed case.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 03, 2011, 03:35:32 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619307
I was always a fan of Toots and the Maytals:

[youtube]4x6IYNp4FXw[/youtube]


Nah, I doubt good people of CUSA know proper music :-)

Gkad you like Toots, big band, stil alive and kickin`

No, but I&I love MOS component is called "Reggae" :-)

Anyway, you are always welcome to come and check roots reggae & ragga at my YT http://www.youtube.com/user/vojinvidanovic79?feature=mhum

Back to topic: Now, they need not to realise CUSA Amigas at all, and we were all live happily after. They could go producing their fatty for eva.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 03, 2011, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: jorkany;619310
What does this mean?
Are you threatening with melanoma?


http://www.niceup.com/patois.html

TAN'   :   to stand; usually used in the sense of "to be". "A so im tan", "that is what he is like"; "tan deh!" or "yu tan deh!" means "just you wait!". "Tan tedy", stand steady, means "hold still". (5)
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 03:40:38 PM
Quote from: vox;619312
No, but I&I love MOS component is called "Reggae" :-)

you know Toots coined the phrase Reggae, right? ;)

EDIT:  Nice youtube channel!  Now I gotta go dig up some beenieman now...
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: nicholas on March 03, 2011, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: danwood;619311
It will only do well if the "retro" community buys them in significant numbers, no "normal" users will be attracted to an expensive PC in a 30 year old designed case.


The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.

They are doomed to failure.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: persia on March 03, 2011, 04:04:50 PM
They should launch C=Jamaica man.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: danwood on March 03, 2011, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: nicholas;619319
The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.

They are doomed to failure.


Well I know that, so does anyone who did business skills for the 11+ at school, but there are still a fair few people here with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears singing "I caaaan't hear you, I caaaaan't heaaar you!!!" and insisting this will be the second coming of Commodore as a multi-national big player in the industry, rivaling Apple and Microsoft, I fear a few broken hearts coming :(
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 03, 2011, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619317
you know Toots coined the phrase Reggae, right? ;)

EDIT:  Nice youtube channel!  Now I gotta go dig up some beenieman now...


Yup, Do The Reggae :-) However, it`was like "do the boogey", dance craze that has got meaning only later. To some its the music for the King, to some its just the easy one drop beat ....

Thanks. But no hate & slackness dancehall, see, and Beenie and some "dancehall soldiers" (I&I don`t call dem reggae) just fall short of that category. Macka B,Gentleman, Biga Ranx, Hornsman Coyote, Lutan Fyah, Turbulence ... I&I can recommend at this time and in dancehall music (but roots message) style!

Beenie is kind of "Jamaican chav" no matter how popular to me.

No, CUSA shouldn`t launch in Jamaica. They are very poor society and one laptop per child would do better. CUSA is made in USA, for USA by the USA (no thinking, just buy).
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: vox on March 03, 2011, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: nicholas;619319
The very community that they've managed to p1 ss off spectacularly before launching a single product.

They are doomed to failure.


Must say they have been very good at pissing people off.

I started career as someone who would be a nice person, interested in DreamCase when they do it, and asking them just to make full Amiga history on website (and with product) informing people AmigaOS 4 and MOS exist too (at that time they planned to use AROS). Even was thinking of their DreamCase A1200 All In One computer with AROS, Win7 and Ubuntu as possible 2012 PC.

Now after all the $$$$ they did, not only I will not buy it, but will never advise even a retro geek or fancy PC user to do it.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: TheBilgeRat on March 03, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: vox;619330
Macka B,Gentleman, Biga Ranx, Hornsman Coyote, Lutan Fyah, Turbulence ... I&I can recommend at this time and in dancehall music (but roots message) style!

meh - sometimes you wanna hear about Jah, sometimes you want to know who has the keys to your beemer.  :lol:
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: Karlos on March 03, 2011, 08:35:29 PM
CommodOS?
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: murple on March 03, 2011, 09:10:27 PM
Go away.
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: actung_bab on March 03, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;619304
So...if CUSA succeeds, everyone will listen to Reggae?
l always loved the track bad boys (sig for Cops)by " inner circle " had the cd
l think be really apt
what ya going do.... de de da da love ska also the specials selectar
Title: Re: Workbench 5 renamed Commodore OS
Post by: psxphill on March 04, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
Quote from: danwood;619327
Well I know that, so does anyone who did business skills for the 11+ at school, but there are still a fair few people here with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears singing "I caaaan't hear you, I caaaaan't heaaar you!!!" and insisting this will be the second coming of Commodore as a multi-national big player in the industry, rivaling Apple and Microsoft, I fear a few broken hearts coming :(

I don't think that & I nobody else has given me the impression they think that.
 
I don't hate CUSA and I'm not pissed off with them.
 
I quite like the look of their c64, but whether I buy one comes down to price.
 
I suspect there are some rich people who wouldn't care what it costs (in fact the more the better for them) who had a c64 when they were young and just for a laugh they'll buy one.
 
I can't see them selling ten thousand of them, but depending on their costs and what they sell them for then that might still be worth doing.