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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: the_leander on July 05, 2004, 06:38:39 PM
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Yes you guessed it, those favourate folks of many on this board over here in the UK are back, and they're in the masonette above mine, with tastes in garage music from 10pm - 4am, braking and entering (next door) theft (again, next door) and lobbing a brick through an elderly lady's window (in this block, just on the other side of the landing.
We've put in for a move with the council as every time we get rid of one lot of em, they give us another lot who are even worse...
The old lady was ok, but she's decided to move to the isle of wight with a friend of hers as she's had enough.
You know its people like them that make being a life loving wiccan very VERY hard.
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the_leander wrote:
The old lady was ok, but she's decided to move to the isle of wight with a friend of hers as she's had enough.
Sensible woman :-)
You know its people like them that make being a life loving wiccan very VERY hard.
I'd like to change that sentence (not that I've got anything bad to say about Wiccans - I have some very good friends that are Wiccan)...
You know its people like them that make life very VERY hard.
I've had bother with idiots like that before, so has tpg. The {bleep}s are everywhere! :-x
Just a thought - have you tried putting a binding on them yet? We had one done for someone and it's worked a treat for 5 years now.
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I was going to suggest a spot of controlled arson to get rid of the chavs and stop the council replacing them again, but since its's right above you, best not. :)
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It's sad because poeple like them give people who live in council areas a bad name, why don't they just put all the baddies together and let them fight it out? :-P
Robert
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@ Vincent
I'd considered it, but tbh I'm too tired mentally to put it all together and it have a proper impact. Besides, part of me is worried that their skulls are that thick that it'd bounce off ;-)
Being a 24/7 carer for the missus is tiring, with a new kiddie its harder, but this on top is just too much to handle and I've noted my health starting to pour down the tubes as a result of their actions (Poor sleep for a couple of weeks will sap anyone, regardless of fitness of being able to properly deal with a situation as it should be dealt with).
I'd phone the police but then I'd probably be the next person on this block to have a break in or the windows done in.
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@KennyR LOL!
Funnily enough I have in my posession a copy of the Anarchist's cookbook...
@Robert
They actualy had gathered up most of them in the towerblocks and a few of the nastier estates. Sadly the leases on many of the properties ran out this year, so many of the towerblocks that they were in were knocked down, and they were spread about the place like seeds on the wind.
The council in their ever present wisdom decided it wasn't worth renewing the lease...
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@the_leander
how would they know that YOU have called the police?
Can't that be done fully anonymous?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@the_leander
how would they know that YOU have called the police?
Can't that be done fully anonymous?
Given that we have on several occations complained directly to them, it wouldn't take much to put two and two together...
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rule no#1: don't do that (if you know they are charvers)
but maybe others have complained about it too (or ask them to complain about it, ask half the neighbourhood to complain about 'em, organise anonimously! :-))
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Deep down, chavs, neds, scallies (and whatever other names they have) aren't too bad really....
...About six foot down, usually ;-)
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Speel wrote:
rule no#1: don't do that (if you know they are charvers)
First thing the police do when you call them is ask, "Well, did you TALK to them first before calling us?"
So of course, if you didn't, the police won't take you seriously (not that they ever do), and if you did, the chavlings will know it was you who called the police and put dog crap in your letterbox the next day.
You can't reason in a civilised way with people whose only understanding of civilisation is that other people work to let them have 20 kids. Violence is usually the only option. Unfortunately chavs have a lot less to lose than most folk, so...
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Kenny pretty much said what I was going to.
This is what happens when a huge section of society decides that thy won't let their children do anything they don't want to, you get uneducated, uncaring and thoughroughly unpleasant people at the end of it.
if it was just the one lad I would probably deal with it in my own way, but with the two of em, and my newborn son, theres just too much at stake for direct action against them. I'm simply not prepaired to risk his safety over this.
With a little luck, we'll be out of here by the 9th or therabouts.
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the_leander wrote:
I'd considered it, but tbh I'm too tired mentally to put it all together and it have a proper impact. Besides, part of me is worried that their skulls are that thick that it'd bounce off :-)
:lol: Never thought of that!
It does take a lot of effort, and if you're able to spare it it is worth a shot, but if you're not able to spare it then don't risk making yourself feel worse by going ahead anyway.
With a little luck, we'll be out of here by the 9th or therabouts.
That's good to hear. Going to join the lady on the Isle of Wight? ;-)
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KennyR wrote:
Speel wrote:
rule no#1: don't do that (if you know they are charvers)
First thing the police do when you call them is ask, "Well, did you TALK to them first before calling us?"
Hm, well, here in nl, it's really not that way. OUR police understand such, I've seen this on both sides (yup, us scouts are sometimes a bit too enthusiastic, but we still have the decency to stop our noise when there's being complained about it)
You're sure you're not acting on assumptions?
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You're sure you're not acting on assumptions?
Certain.
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@ Leander
Can you not freak the ****s out?
I mean when I was a 1st year in school some of the {bleep}s in the 6th form used to start on me. My father is a priest so they would say stuff like they have sold my sole and write satanic symbols on my books and stuff and keep going on about how they have sent me to hell etc.. when your 11 years old it scared the crap out of me.
So my Dad bumped into them in the village shop and told them that if they really do mess with the Devil then it is indeed they that will burn, or cease to be..
It totally freaked them out. I heard one of the poor bas*ds ended up on anti depressants (but they also had to knock the bus stop in the village down because he was using it for gang bangs...)
Trouble with that area was it was full of affluent NEDS. Parents who worked and would abdicate their responsibility by giving them loads of cash...
As for the isle of white - my granmothers family was one of the 1st to settle there.. Ive never been though.
For those kids - can you not put something in the paper - old lady abused by kids. Some vigillante will read it and beat the {bleep} out of them :-)
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Greetings,
Just last week, the Vice President of our company I'm working, was robbed. That evening, she parked the car Near a chapel in their executive subdivision, well guarded. The robber came and broke the window of her car moments later. Really smashed it real bad.
She just lost her new IBM LapTop, a cell phone, and Plane ticket! That made her cry all day cause the plane ticket belong to her son who is going to a scholastic competition abroad(don't know where) the next day. It took them 3 days to get a new ticket. They never caught the thief.
Gizz
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@the_leander
Slap'em with a big fish! :smack:
(http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0407/06/flundra200.jpg)
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I'm just dying for some chav scum to start something with me when I'm walking home with my steel toe-caps on. Can you imagine the satisfaction of planting that up someone's backside? :lol:
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the_leander wrote:
This is what happens when a huge section of society decides that thy won't let their children do anything they don't want to, you get uneducated, uncaring and thoughroughly unpleasant people at the end of it.
Damn right!
There is an underclass out there with nothing to fear from the law, no parental guidance and the willingness to do whatever the hell they like.
The answers to the problem are for parents to take more responsibility to disclipline their kids for wrongdoing (and I don't mean standing in the middle of Sainsburys yelling "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayne, shaddup!") and for the law to take a harder line with persistent juvenile offenders.
I'm not suggesting bringing back the birch, but I would go so far as to suggest sending them to boot camp.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I'm just dying for some chav scum to start something with me when I'm walking home with my steel toe-caps on. Can you imagine the satisfaction of planting that up someone's backside? :lol:
I don't have to imagine it, only remember it
kicked/punched charvers more than once (they asked for it)
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I'm just dying for some chav scum to start something with me when I'm walking home with my steel toe-caps on. Can you imagine the satisfaction of planting that up someone's backside? :lol:
Nonono, you've got to hit them in the spuds and hopefully crush them beyond repair turning them into a eunuch. Then they won't have any neds of their own :-D
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I'm just dying for some chav scum to start something with me when I'm walking home with my steel toe-caps on. Can you imagine the satisfaction of planting that up someone's backside? :lol:
Do you have the heavy type with steel-plates in the soles aswell? If so, the shinbone is the best place to hit.
One powerful kick will leave him immobilized for a few minutes, but he won't get any permanent damage, except for the week long pain and a big bruise.
According to my own experience, they come back in packs if you're too rough on them.
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whabang wrote:
Do you have the heavy type with steel-plates in the soles aswell? If so, the shinbone is the best place to hit.
One powerful kick will leave him immobilized for a few minutes, but he won't get any permanent damage, except for the week long pain and a big bruise.
Perfect for a follow up kick in the knackers :-D
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:lol:
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whabang wrote:
According to my own experience, they come back in packs if you're too rough on them.
I've seen it also vice versa. (some chavs bullying the younger ones, younger ones say it to us, we come to those chavs, then chavs offering their sincere apologies to the younger ones)
Scouting gives a different turn to everything :-).
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Chavs never apologise. And I mean never.
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KennyR wrote:
Chavs never apologise. And I mean never.
not out of free will that is..
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I wonder how we got to the stage where this can happen, where disiplin has become such a dirty word that it is dismissed as a bad idea by such a large group of people?
And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
KennyR wrote:
Chavs never apologise. And I mean never.
not out of free will that is..
I suspect Speel is correct in this - a double barrel shotgun wedged under the little darling's chin would I think convince the chav in question to say "I'm sorry"
Now, getting them to *mean* it is a completely different story...
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but it was satisfying for the younger ones to see 'em humiliated
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the_leander wrote:
I wonder how we got to the stage where this can happen, where disiplin has become such a dirty word that it is dismissed as a bad idea by such a large group of people?
I blame the parents, now I know in some cases the parents aren't to blame (maybe in some miniscule little 0.000001% of the time), but more often than not they give their kids money and let them stay out all night not caring what they do as long as they're out of their way.
This is on the increase partly due to kids getting pregnant and wanting kids then when they have them they usually just ignore them. One incentive for kids to have kids is all the money they get from the Social. They're too lenient on kids having kids.
And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
:lol: Here here! :-D
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And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
Then you just get very tough, fit chavs who know unarmed combat techniques.
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KennyR wrote:
And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
Then you just get very tough, fit chavs who know unarmed combat techniques.
Its always been said that one of the reasons why the British army is so sucessful is because they are thugs.
Highly dissaplined thugs though. Send them to a regiment - they will have the {bleep} kicked out of them untill they behave. The Army will break them. You dont stand up straight you get the hideing of your life. Plus there is the added bonus that they may well get "friendly fired" upon by an american on a training drill...
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1) What means 'Charvers'
2) Does it matter if I have no respect for them?
:-)
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KennyR wrote:
And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
Then you just get very tough, fit chavs who know unarmed combat techniques.
The key thing that makes a chav a chav is a complete lack of self respect, boot camp type environments would (if ran like the armed forces) instil a sence of self respect as well as self disciplin. With that in place, they would very quickly cease to be chavs. Couple that with decent education (frankly in this day and age, the only way you're going to get an afordable uni education is in the forces now - cheers tony). You might think yeah so what you get self respect, but it is a lot more powerful then you realise. Itwould be the first time they would have anything truly their own that they could loose...
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Hehe, anyone who rides around on a 50cc moped and tries to look cool clearly has no self respect. It just seems the way this country is going nowadays, I have a brother who hasn't had a job since he left school, he's 20 years old now, it's sad how people nowadays can get away with not working, just imagine how much better things would be if every able bodies person in this country worked...
Robert
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Robert17 wrote:
Hehe, anyone who rides around on a 50cc moped and tries to look cool clearly has no self respect.
:-?
I've never seen a chav on a moped. Besides, what's wrong with mopeds? I had one for a while, they're handy.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Robert17 wrote:
Hehe, anyone who rides around on a 50cc moped and tries to look cool clearly has no self respect.
:-?
I've never seen a chav on a moped. Besides, what's wrong with mopeds? I had one for a while, they're handy.
The difference being you probably owned the moped!
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hehe yeah they're good I just think if I owned one I'd want to attract as littler attention to myself as possible, rather than try to look good, i.e stupid manouvres and sporty swerves lol
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Vincent wrote:
whabang wrote:
Do you have the heavy type with steel-plates in the soles aswell? If so, the shinbone is the best place to hit.
One powerful kick will leave him immobilized for a few minutes, but he won't get any permanent damage, except for the week long pain and a big bruise.
Perfect for a follow up kick in the knackers :-D
Or four or five. Just to be sure :evil: :-D
Beating chavs to a pulp should be regarded as a civic duty :lol:
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the_leander wrote:
I wonder how we got to the stage where this can happen, where disiplin has become such a dirty word that it is dismissed as a bad idea by such a large group of people?
And yes, I'm all for boot camps, would do a lot of them a lot of good to get some cold hard disciplin instilled into their fragile icle bwains...
An old teacher started up an American football team, for troubled kids, here in Sweden. Apparently, the discipline and the teamwork made them adapt to society a little.
Of course, a conscription system could have the same effect! :-)
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Karlos wrote:
Or four or five. Just to be sure :evil: :-D
Beating chavs to a pulp should be regarded as a civic duty :lol:
:lol:
I think that's one civic duty that everyone would enjoy, encourage and try to make a job out of it :-D
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Why not just simply stop giving them unlimited support for the rest of their lives? Make them get jobs. People who don't have to work have very little respect for those that do.
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T_Bone wrote:
People who don't have to work have very little respect for those that do.
bollocks.
Most ppl who do not work are dying to actually get a job. Not everyone has the opportunity/skills/resources to start an enterprise. I've talked to many ppl who have other skills, and are unemployed. Their skills vary from psychology to terraforming. They're in big debts because of their study, and they're doing every available lousy job, like cleaning, and they can live from it, but not pay their debts of it (let alone start an enterprise).
It seems you're quite happy with the fact that it's only up to ppl with rich parents to be able to study and start enterprises. I do not see the equal chance in that.
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By Karlos
Beating chavs to a pulp should be regarded as a civic duty
Try that here in our country. Once they really get the baddies, they get beaten up by the people, more than a pulp could take, while being dragged to a nearby outpost. Once inside, they still get beaten by fellow in-mates.
Cheers,
Gizz
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
T_Bone wrote:
People who don't have to work have very little respect for those that do.
bollocks.
Most ppl who do not work (snip)
"People who don't have to work" not "People who arn't working."
This includes our wealthy "leisure class" and people on perpetual government support, who are perfectly fit to support themselves.
This obviously doesn't include the unemployed. I'm certain most unemployed that are looking for work don't consider themselves in a group that "doesn't need to work."
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@T-Bone
Then I've said nothing
But let it be clear that one unemployed is NOT the other.
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@Speel
...Terraforming!? :lol:
Is that a euphemism for "Gardener"? :-)
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No, it's science about the structure of soil, for mining or oil/gas drilling purposes. I did not exactly knew the English word for it.
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And with that, we lost the bid for the house we were aiming for - and the market has all but shut down for the time being, seems we're stuck here...
@iama
By all means treat these people with contempt - as that is the way they wish to be treated (treat unto others etc etc)...
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the_leander wrote:
And with that, we lost the bid for the house we were aiming for - and the market has all but shut down for the time being, seems we're stuck here...
:-(
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@iama
By all means treat these people with contempt - as that is the way they wish to be treated (treat unto others etc etc)...
I'm not sure to what you are refering.
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iamaboringperson wrote:
@iama
By all means treat these people with contempt - as that is the way they wish to be treated (treat unto others etc etc)...
I'm not sure to what you are refering.
I think he's saying they deserve the disdain we have for them, they've earned it.
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the_leander wrote:
And with that, we lost the bid for the house we were aiming for - and the market has all but shut down for the time being, seems we're stuck here...
That sucks :-(
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T_Bone wrote:
Why not just simply stop giving them unlimited support for the rest of their lives? Make them get jobs. People who don't have to work have very little respect for those that do.
An interesting point. The problem with saying that in the UK, is that people with some left leanings (like me :-) ) will argue that not everyone who is unemployed wants to be unemployed. To tar them as all lazy b'stards who contribute nothing to society is wrong.
BUT, I have been unemployed, and claimed unemployment benefit. And a few things are apparent...
There ARE enough jobs out there for people who want them. The thing is, people will refuse to work if they don't think the job's well paid enough or the job's 'below them'.
My parents are both in their late 60s / 70. They have never claimed unemployment benefit in their lives - there was no such thing when they were kids. You went out to work as soon as you were able, and you brought that money home for your family. If you didn't work and 'pull your weight' there wouldn't be enough food on the table, full stop ['period' :-)].
If I've turned to my mum in the past and said, "I'm not gonna bother with that job", it doesn't pay enough, my mum used to say "It's all money, you're lucky to have the chance to work".
But today I think the welfare system IS too good. I used to see people claiming benefit who had never done a proper days work in their life. They would [very rudely] answer their mobiles in the queue to sign on [to receive that weeks cheque] and they would say something like "I'm in the dole office, I'll sort you out later" or even, one day, "I've got a bit, how much do you want?"
So these people were going to get their money to buy their drugs to sell on.
You see, I don't see how even a socialist can condone the welfare system the way it is. Why should some people work their arses off, pay taxes etc, when other people sit around at home smoking weed and having kids?
Its the same with thieves - they've never sweated after doing an honest days work
"People who don't have to work have very little respect for those that do."
Exactly. I'm not sure they've even got any self respect. If they'd sweated like everyone else, they wouldn't be so quick to steal from others who worked for their living. I mean, I could sell drugs, mug old ladies etc, but I have too much self-respect, and respect for other people to even think about doing that. Whatever happened to social repsonsibility?
I am totally serious when I say this - reintroduce national service. You don't have to do anything military - people could learn a trade, work in the community, with disadvantaged kids, the elderly etc. Learn some self-respect, learn some respect for others - one of the things about a work environment is that you have to learn to get on with other people. Hell, you can even make some lifelong friends...
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Cyberus wrote:
I am totally serious when I say this - reintroduce national service. You don't have to do anything military - people could learn a trade, work in the community, with disadvantaged kids, the elderly etc. Learn some self-respect, learn some respect for others - one of the things about a work environment is that you have to learn to get on with other people. Hell, you can even make some lifelong friends...
I for one would not do national service. It would be like indentured service of the imperial days, except you don't have to commit any crime to deserve it. I'd rather go to jail, and I say that honestly. It's not just the antisocial scum who would suffer.
Besides I doubt it would reverse chav attitudes much. They'd just not do it either, or just do it half-assed and make life misery for everyone else who had to do it too.
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KennyR wrote:
I for one would not do national service. It would be like indentured service of the imperial days, except you don't have to commit any crime to deserve it. I'd rather go to jail, and I say that honestly. It's not just the antisocial scum who would suffer.
I completely understand that point of view.
Besides I doubt it would reverse chav attitudes much. They'd just not do it either, or just do it half-assed and make life misery for everyone else who had to do it too.
I see your point, but it is a pessimist's view. If EVERYONE had to do it, surely those with an aptitude for caring, for teaching, for a profession or a trade for music, etc etc could make a positive impression on people.
I always believe the most important thing is education.
With education you have the power of choice. You can see when people are manipulating you more effectively, you are better equipped to go out there and actually do something with your life - this would stop people getting stuck in a rut, a rut that their kids and their grandkids will be born into.
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@Cyberus
Making generalizations is quite a harmfull thing to do I think.
In this case, I accuse you of doing such.
Not that I do not like you, but I'll explain you why I think this:
'lower jobs' a lower job can be a graduate school teacher, but I do not see a university professor capable of being a graduate school teacher, for instance.
I mean, you still have to have the appropriate skill for many 'lower jobs'.
Plus, yes there IS often lack of work, even cleaning work or alike. And these kinds of jobs are often also just temporarily and you cannot really live from it.
When there's been cut in the unemployment money, people can't afford another study (when they notice the job market for their degree is marginal) to get out of their situation. Also, emigrating is a tough choice, and it does not give a guarantee for work either, plus such must be paid also (while many already do have a huge study debt).
ok leute you can all wake up now
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@Cyberus
Making generalizations is quite a harmfull thing to do I think.
In this case, I accuse you of doing such.
In general, yes, but when the generalization is constructively addressing a genuine problem, I don't see the harm.
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It's alike if one thief is between us, that thief is a problem, but it doesn't meen we are a problem.
The latter is too often abused.
And are we speaking of a minority or a majority who do wrong stuff? And should others be victim of these?
I like genuine problems being adressed, but in the right proportions in the right context, in other words, all aspects need to be adressed of the subject. Otherwise ppl won't get a clear view and goin' to condemn the whole thing.
gee, I think I am this (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame2.html)
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Cyberus confessed:
If I've turned to my mum in the past and said, "I'm not gonna bother with that job", it doesn't pay enough, my mum used to say "It's all money, you're lucky to have the chance to work".
That used to be a conversation between me and my mum, until I showed her how much money I'd be getting, how much rent and council tax I'd have to pay and what would be left for food. It worked out that I'd get £15 - 20 more a week for food on benefits than working 8 till 6 monday to friday.
And I was only getting £40 on benefits :-o