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Amiga.org specific forums => New User Introductions => Topic started by: scott on July 01, 2004, 04:19:46 PM
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Hi am a young retro gamer desprate to play some o my old amega games unfortunatly most are broke so ive downloaded to of what i think are the best games 4 the amega elf and moonstone and im trying to play them on my amega 1200 any one know how i could play them from an ADF file?
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Download Winuae.zip and extract the files, look for a folder called Amiga. Copy the transdisk file to a 720K disk and open the disk on the 1200 (use the PC0 DosDriver provided if not already installed). Copy file to C folder.
Insert a blank floppy in Df0: and type trandisk -w game.adf
where game.adf is the adf file.
http://www.winuae.net/
http://www.pcguru.plus.com/uae_faq.html
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Or if you aren't browsing this forum on a PC and browse the internet with your A1200 and just want to unpack those ADF files try ADF2Disk (http://www.aminet.net/disk/misc/adf2disk11.lha). :-D
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so ive downloaded to of what i think are the best games 4 the amega elf and moonstone
:-D
That reminds me. I still happen to have the original copy of ELF and the card where you had to get passed the protection screen! :-D
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@scott
welcome!
If your lacking in knoledge then this is the place, er, to be...
(hum, does that sound write?)
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It's AMIGA not "amega".
You are a PC emulator-boy looking for warez in my opinion, and people
giving advice on UAE and ADFs need a KICKING!
GRrrrrr!
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i really dont see the difference between using adf's from back to roots for use in winuae or on a real miggy, if its on back2roots then the copyright holders have given the site permision to offer it for download, stop being so anal.
if indeed you are downloading illegal adfs of the net, then a hot poker insrted up the rectum is called for
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@JJ
Hum,
That way you don't spoil the skin...
[redhot poker applied correctly will not mark the pelt]
i think most ppl here have a PC too, so it just makes sense not to exclude the ADF crowd.
i myself never use ADFs in WinUAE; preferring to use downloaded lha or stuff directly off amiga CDs and installing them on to my WinUAE partition.
:-)
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what skin???
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The wrinkled ork skin that folds down over a PC user's eyes...
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Hyperspeed wrote:
It's AMIGA not "amega".
You are a PC emulator-boy looking for warez in my opinion, and people
giving advice on UAE and ADFs need a KICKING!
GRrrrrr!
sssssshhhh
hush hush sweetie
Those who are making emulators are doing a great job
especially if you're at a place where there is no Amiga to use, for instance if your Amiga is broken. Also, with the emulator you can play 'em on yer laptop (wich I did more than once)
Plus, original games are getting more and more scarce these days; floppies really aren't made for life you know!
hail to those guys of bttr (http://www.back2roots.org/Games/) and those who are putting much effort in the development of UAE (http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/) :pint:
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Wow how negative can you be... I have an Amiga collection with around 2000 real 3.5 inch floppies, and they take up drawers of space.. Honestly, when I hear someone talk about Amiga Warez today (and as a former software developer) I kinda FLIP out..
How much Amiga software is out there that is actually getting sold today. Maybe four or five major packages. Now if you told me that you wanted to get an ADF for ImageFX or some current Amiga developer I'd be pissed.
However, when I see something from back to the roots I think to all of my 2000 or so 3.5 inch floppies that are sitting loosing their functionality and there is probably software on there that no one has heard of or is just not available today because the company is gone. So is this software gonna disappear like a dinosaur. I hope not. At least for the historic record it should survive.
The truth is no one is gonna rush out to find deluxe paint today, and even if a supposed "dealer" says he has a copy. Is it a real freshly boxed copy from EA.. Do these companies think this is abandonware? What good is it to see this software disappearing due to bad media. Also what about the great productivity software from company names such as gold disk.. Cinemaware is the only company I know that makes their software from the past available to play on the emulators by offering the ADF files on the site.
Yes it is someone else's property but I doubt companies like gold disk and asdg are gonna come back into existence to make this software available again. Is it someone else's copyright? Yes, but it's abandonware..
So does this just disappear into the twighlight of Amiga Past.. Could someone still find this useful? If it's not a going concern what's wrong with it.. I know this sounds crass (forgive me Amiga Forever folks), but I'd like to see all the EA deluxe series bundled with the emulator instead of being able to download personal paint.
The truth is EA will never go back into the business of Amiga, so what value do these have? Well let's look at retro computing today. The Atari 2600 and Intellivision and Activision Joystick games are really popular today for a reason. Not because it's a cool new thing, but it's a look back at some stuff we really loved.
If we can convert yet another person back to the Amiga Platform because they see how cool the software runs on an emulator and it's not a current comercially available program why should anyone care, unless the author (or developer) voices a "no". Most I have talked to would be glad if something they did along time ago was still seeing use and not sitting in a box in someone's basement waiting to mildew..
So please stop hacking on emulator people, they might be the future of Amiga. I don't agree with piracy, but who is hurt if the copyright holder doesn't mind.. Bravo for Back2TheRoots
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Wassup KAFTAP,
:-D :-D :-D
I disagree, people developing Amiga emulators really have damaged the
Amiga in the last 5 years or so.
It's gotten to the stage where emulator-boys are criticising old Amiga
games because they don't emulate properly, comparing 1996 Amiga
applications to Office XP and generally feeling all lordy with their
3Ghz CPUs and 1Gb of RAM.
If you ask me, the best way to appreciate Amiga is to use your classic
hardware or upgrade to AmigaOne.
Agreed, it's nice to have Amiga on a laptop so maybe the micro-A1
should be made into a portable machine.
As for emulation, just try emulating AGA properly or playing half the
hardware-hitting scene-demos. Some of the best Amiga stuff refuses to
play on UAE's emulated '020.
I stand by my original comment too, if someone misspells a 5-letter
computer name (which has sold 6 million units worldwide) TWICE in the
same sentence then they have to be a PC user.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D ;-)
As for negativity how about "EA will never develop for Amiga again"...
does this mean that in your opinion AmigaOne is a lesser alternative
for companies?
I bought a copy of Scanquix 5.40 on Amiga from Power a few months back
and it came on CDR. The Amiga market may be struggling but through a
little faith I think there are more than a handful of commercial
programs being sold.
I agree that abandonware should be tried by everyone. Maybe Amiga Inc
should capitalise on this, just as Apple did with iTunes (when the
music industry should have done so years ago!)
:-D :-)
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I disagree, people developing Amiga emulators really have damaged the Amiga in the last 5 years or so.
I just don't understand this sentiment. How does preserving the heritage, and (re)introducing it to some people hurt the Amiga? And, at this stage, is there honestly enough of anything left to hurt?
As for emulation, just try emulating AGA properly or playing half the hardware-hitting scene-demos. Some of the best Amiga stuff refuses to play on UAE's emulated '020.
Sure. There's no substitute for the real deal. This re-inforces the point that the emulators do no real damage.
Not everyone can have a multiple computers sitting around, though. Emulation helps preserve software, and makes the Amiga more accessible, while still not diminishing the original. How is this a bad thing? I just don't get it.
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Back you UAE dogs!
*whip* *crack*
BACK I SAY!
*whelp*
;-)
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Back you UAE dogs!
Heh... Actually, I hardly even use UAE. I have more real Amiga hardware than most Amiga vendors left.
Let's see... Off the top of my head
(2) New refirb A500's from Redrum's selloff. (I'm keeping one for myself, and one is in my for-trade list)
(1) A500 games machine (rev 5 motherboard + 8372 Agnus mod)
(1) A500 with Bodega Bay expansion (huge!)
(1) A1200 with DKB RAM expansion
(2) A2000s
(2) A3000s (with various video processing cards in them)
(2) A4000s (including my prize A4000D with Cyberstorm 060 and CV64/3d)
(1) A1000 complete
(1) A1000 NOS motherboard
And there's more machines in the back of my closet... Plus, all sorts of original C= Amiga hardware, including mice, keyboards, modems, external floppy drives, etc. Oh yeah... And thousands of disks that are deteriorating, as well...
But emulators don't hurt the market for any of my stuff. If anything, they get more people interested in the platform, thus helping the market.
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Hum,
as an amiganaut i confidently say that UAE has only become `usable` recently...
Even two years ago it was too primitive to compare with a real amiga...
And even today certain aspects of the emulated amiga are too slow or non-functional to fully replace the (my) classic computer...
And since it can't emulate an A1 it cant really be stealing software revenues, in fact, i suspect that many ppl may only become aware of the PPC amiga platform through the experimentation/investigations of UAE...
[As Ripley once said "we can't afford to let one of those anti-uae creatures in here"]
why are we not arguing about piracy on this thread, anyway?
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I like the Alien quote blobrana but as I see it the Aliens are the
emulator-boys who just download ADFs willy-nilly and dismiss them as
old rubbish when they won't work properly.
Think of the Amiga as Newt, and me as Ripley in the powerloader:
"Get away from her... you {bleep}!"
:-D
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I like the Alien quote blobrana but as I see it the Aliens are the emulator-boys who just download ADFs willy-nilly and dismiss them as old rubbish when they won't work properly.
So, you're basically saying you want the Amiga to be a rare cult status symbol. Only to be touched and enjoyed by the people who have enough space and money for purchasing rare, obscure, fragile, and underpowered hardware?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure...
On one hand it's only natural to want to preserve the value of your
collection and future investments.
On the other you don't want to be selfish and stop people appreciating
Amiga.
I do think though that no matter what - file swapping damages
industries. Look at the music indutry and the way record sales have
slumped since MP3. So too would sales of Amiga software.
Companies still sell old Amiga software, a lot of it still
shrinkwrapped. After all, Quake, WipEout 2097, Napalm aren't as old as
say Dune 2.
I'm sure if you asked Fore-Matt Home Computing what they thought of
ADF downloads they'd give you a mouthful, not to mention Software Hut!
I remember at WOA '97 Guildhall were re-publishing Amiga games like
Skidmarks and Roadkill and selling them legit for £2. You get a nice
box and of course the manual that the game would need if it had a code
system.
I would rather the classic Amiga retired gracefully rather than become
some dirty tart that every emulator-boy has finished with. Better if
we keep our classic software for the AmigaOne and keep a tight control
on the copyrights so one day an Amiga company can start re-publishing
legit to AmigaOne users.
DOWN WITH AMIGA EMULATORS!
:-(
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OK, what is the scoop on these new Amigas?
This is my understanding and maybe a user can clarify for me any misconceptions I may have.
1. AmigaOne currently ships with runs OS3.9(a classic Amiga OS) or soon to be released the new 4.0, which is a more efficient and smaller than the bloated Windows XP for example. There is currently a limited choice of apps/games available as of yet. But it has a Classic Amiga 'Look and Feel'.
2. It also is shipped with LinuxPPC, and/or Debian Linux, which includes tons of software.
3. Its hardware is other than hard drives, floppies CD-Rom etc is as follows:
-AmigaOne-XE motherboard with either G3 (750Fx@800MHz) or G4 (745x@800MHz)
-512MB registered memory
-Soundblaster Live 5.1 sound card
-ATI Radeon 7000 32MB graphics card (or better supported ATI -Radeon card if/when supported by OS4)
-7-bay Midi ATX tower with plexiglass side panel
-OS4-enabled BIOS
-Onboard ethernet and USB
4. The 'Classic Amiga side of AmigaOne is emulated using 'UAE' installed with Linux.
5. Eyetech's site is quoting 1148.89 GP for the power system.
I have currently a 2.6 Ghz system dual booting XP, and SUSE Linux, that already support my humble little ATI Radeon 7000 (no 3D in Linux however). My Linux also includes UAE, which in my humble opinion is still unworkable. I also have Cloanto's AF/WINUAE, which works as advertised on a better percentage of 'Classic' Amiga Software than UAE.
I understand the desire to revive the Amiga, but AmigaOne is going into a totally different direction than Classic Amiga (as it has to), that us 'Grumpy Old Farts' aka Amiga Oldtimer Fanatics are not going to recognise anyways.
My question is, why spend the money on this AmigaOne? Why not emulate on an already existing system (yes regrettably the Windoze)??? :-?
I am burning images of my Classic Amiga onto CD's before the 880K floppies die. My A500 based system seems to want to run forever, but I wish to preserve my Amiga collection. What is wrong with that? :-?
As for BTTR, I actually found a game or 2 that I used to replace originals I bought years ago, that had become corrupt. I payed for the game years ago, but now others can enjoy the the game now for free. Doesn't bother me, and I suspect most developers would appreciate the renewed interest, rather than having their creations forgotten.
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I just thought about it, and I think AmigaAnywhere was an attempt to get at that market. Most games on PDAs and Cellphones are about the same level of gfx and audio as old 80s games anyhow. I would love to see legit bundles of old Amiga games sold for ten bucks or what ever, maybe with a copy of WinFellow or a licensed Kickstart 1.3 ROM, on a mini-CD or some such similiar. Make the games just boot the emulator so it's transparent.
Anyhow, the modern Amiga market, that is, the PPC boards Both from Eyetech And Genesi, don't have anything to do with the old games or hardware, the hardware hacking is being gotten rid of, and the legacy, which is good in my opinion, I was looking through my C:\Windows\System\Drivers folder earlier today, some of that code hasn't been updated since the mid to early nineties, some of the timestamps literally say 1995. The modern machine are about a unique, friendly, well designed OS. It is light, fast and repsonsive, it has low overhead and is highly flexible, for the most part it makes much more sense when you look at the structure of it than Windows or Linux do. Sure the programs on it are nothing near cutting edge, nor is the hardware. Frankly, I've tried out many browser on my PC that lack support for thingsl ike CSS, or even Javascript (which Ibrowse has ofc) over 90% of the web works fine, with javascript, I'd bet that 95%+ of websites work fine. Sure very little can read excel and .doc documents, but if you need to work with your work files at home, you can save stuff in Microsoft Office as an HTML file. I don't have much experience with excel, but I'd bet you can save files so that they'd be compatible with the older Excel versions TurboCalc supports. I'm giving up on my 2000, it gets messed up too easily, it's far too finicky, and unreliable as a main machine, I hope with the money I make off've it's parts on e-bay I could fund a MicroA1... I'm 17, I haven't used an Amiga for very long, and for me it has nothing to do with the hardware or the games. I'm really not much of a gamer, and while I love to mess aroudn with computers, and I see the nice layout of the old Amiga hardware, it's outdated. End of the line for it.
Anyhow my somewhat digressive rant is over. I apologize in advance if I hijack this thread further from where it started...
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Your remarks make sense to me. Esp about the hardware bashing, although I loved doing it on the Amiga, but that is history now like you say.
My stuff from work, I export to WP format, and then I can use the documents on my Amiga 500 with WordPerfect. Doesn't help the case for buying the AmigaOne.
The PDA market remark certainly states a great argument for protecting Classic Amiga software. I'd never thought of that.
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Don't forget, both A1 and Pegasos needs UAE for backward compability.
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Unfortunately, none of the PDAs will run UAE (they are not powerful enough to emulate the CPU AND the Chipsets). You can get UAE for Windows (incl X Box), Unix/Linux, MacOS, BeOS, DOS and there is Aros.
For the A1 and AmigaOS 4, for it to get off the ground it needs *Software*, until the Full version of AOS is released and developers start working on it. I can`t see it get a larger market.
Having the greatest OS in the world, is useless w/o software to run on it. People won`t buy it... simple as that.
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@crown:
I see you have an AmigaOne. I'd love to hear more about your experience on this machine.
Why did you choose the A1 over the Peg that you sold? I am interested on your thoughts of the MorphOS from a users point of view as well.
Are you able to use the ATI Radeon to accelerate 3D under the Linux? (I cannot under mine...)
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@PJhutch
I'd give the PDAs at most a few years before they are strong enough to run UAE, I mean, many of them are already several hundred megahertz (however XScale/ARM is very strong hertz for hertz) and the RAM/display is alright already, my 320x240 zire display is clear enough for most amiga games. but it's true that at present pdas are too slow for that. But look at Popcap, they make lots of simple games for windows/mac using Java, same concept... AmigaNaywhere is obviously better for this than UAE is though.
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Another few things to remember are:
* The AmigaOne will run AmigaOS 4 exclusively. The Pegasos machine
will not be able to run AmigaOS 4 because the AmigaOne has a
protection chip.
PCs will not be able to run AmigaOS 4, Macintosh will not be able to
run AmigaOS 4. It is exclusive - for us!
:-)
AmigaOS 4 is now out for developers to start making games and apps and
so they don't need UAE to run classic Amiga games because AmigaOS 4
has emulation built in, it's very own special emulation which is far
better than UAE. JIT I think it's called, someone contribute to this
side of things!
:-)
AmigaOS 4 runs on classic PowerPC cards AND the big brother G3
machines.
Playstation2 owners didn't get many good games for the first 6 months
of that machine and they enjoyed the backward compatibility that the
Playstation2 offered - same goes for AmigaOne.
AmigaOne users will most have fun running classic Amiga games and apps
at warp-speed and then gradually get drip fed super AmigaOne 600Mhz
Radeon style programs in the coming months. Just like the Playstation2
users.
There is a huge potential market for re-selling the old classics here
because now everyone who buys an AmigaOne will be able to play these
games as fast as they had ever dreamed on classic hardware. Remember
dreaming of that £600 Blizzard 1260 with 128mb of RAM?
NOW YOU CAN GO THAT FAST!
I think Hyperion are also porting Quake 2 to native G3 hardware, so
for benchmarking it will be exciting to play this for a few months
whilst the real original killer-apps come along!
I think we need to protect our classic software heritage rather than
let it be pillaged by the PC users, and even the Amiga owners who are
dismissing/belittling classic hardware.
If you have a crumbling old A2000 with dying hardware, sell it to
people who can make use of the bits. It may not be in full health and
doesn't represent the majority of Amiga hardware which still lives on
in a 100% fully working condition.
Oh, and for God's sake get an Amiga laptop out! Someone! PLEASE!
:-D :-D :-D
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@Hyperspeed
As someone already pointed out, it is UAE that allows us to run most old Amiga games on OS4. Without UAE we couldn't. And UAE wouldn't exist on OS4 unless it had existed for other platforms since a long time ago.
As such OS4 emulates only the 68k CPU, which is fine for new programs and will run them nice and fast, but most games simpl y won't work. It does not emulate custom chips at all.
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And since it can't emulate an A1 it cant really be stealing software revenues,
There arent any A1 software revenues to steal.
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So, you're basically saying you want the Amiga to be a rare cult status symbol. Only to be touched and enjoyed by the people who have enough space and money for purchasing rare, obscure, fragile, and underpowered hardware?
* The AmigaOne will run AmigaOS 4 exclusively. The Pegasos machine will not be able to run AmigaOS 4 because the AmigaOne has a protection chip.
PCs will not be able to run AmigaOS 4, Macintosh will not be able to run AmigaOS 4. It is exclusive - for us!
Well, the fact that you think this could possibly be a good thing is about as clear a "yes" answer to my question as you could give.
Good luck with your purchases. I hope they give you the status you crave.
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ajk wrote:
@Hyperspeed
As someone already pointed out, it is UAE that allows us to run most old Amiga games on OS4. Without UAE we couldn't. And UAE wouldn't exist on OS4 unless it had existed for other platforms since a long time ago.
As such OS4 emulates only the 68k CPU, which is fine for new programs and will run them nice and fast, but most games simpl y won't work. It does not emulate custom chips at all.
Another thing is that some people wont see the point in getting new hardware if trhe migration process is going to take years and years, or just never happen.
Look at Apple.. OS X came out in 2000. 4 years later,they have a more or less viable OS X native software library.
Think about this for OS 4 however.. its going to take YEARS before there is a decent amount of OS4 native software available, if it happens at all.
If this is the case, and 90% of the apps you run are going to be emulated because their "Classic" apps, then there wont be much point in OS 4 at all, or the overpriced under-specced AmigaOne.
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On the other hand plenty of people still use stuff that was written for System7 ;-)
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All the more reason then ;-)