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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: iamaboringperson on June 29, 2004, 06:22:29 AM
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Why?? What's wrong with this {bleep}ED up world? :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x :-x
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You alright dude...what are you refering to?
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Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.
Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)
These pricks really sicken me.
:-X
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Me thinks you should consider moving to somewhere like Thomastown or Lalor.
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adz wrote:
Me thinks you should consider moving to somewhere like Thomastown or Lalor.
Why, what's there?
I wouldn't mind living in a place called 'Toorak' :)
(Actually, I've noticed that 'Mordialloc' has some fine looking women ;)
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Birds of a feather?
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iamaboringperson wrote:
Why, what's there?
I wouldn't mind living in a place called 'Toorak' :)
(Actually, I've noticed that 'Mordialloc' has some fine looking women ;)
Nah...Toorak is full of snobs and Mordialloc smells, I mean really smells (I have relos there). Besides dude, havn't you heard the saying "live and let live", they're only people.
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Am I the only one who hasn't the vaguest clue what this thread is about?
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Yeah. Obviously you have your own opinions and that, but "p o o f t e r s" are people too you know. And there is no need for that type of attitude, they don't need to take orders from and and should be what they want to be.
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@Iamaboringperson
Haven't had your medicines, now have you?
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He's beyond medicines, only a lobotomy will help I'm afraid.
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
Yeah. Obviously you have your own opinions and that, but "p o o f t e r s" are people too you know. And there is no need for that type of attitude, they don't need to take orders from and and should be what they want to be.
oh, is THAt what he's talking about! :-o
I'll bet money they don't want to live near him, either!!! ( i know i wouldn't!) :lol:
i love living near "p o o f t e r s". they are fun!
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Iama has issues.
Maybe getting to know some "p o o f t e r s" and realising that they are people too, might help him with his own.
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Hoya!
@iama
Lemme see... You are one of "them" but you are not ready yet to admit it...
Being homophobic is REALLY utterly lame.
Have suspicion towards terrorists or extremists but do not be afraid of gays, they will NOT convert you or kill you because you are straight...
Anyway, you are a troll, so it is useless...
Be funky
M A D
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iamaboringperson wrote:
Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.
Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)
These pricks really sicken me.
:-X
Gettin' their ends away more often than you then, eh? That's gotta hurt. :-D
Jerk off a few more times and take a bath, you'll feel better.
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iamaboringperson wrote:
Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.
Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)
These pricks really sicken me.
:-X
Seriously dude!!! Why are you so frightened of someone's sexuality?
Scared of a gay guy! Isn't that like being frightened of a teddy bear?
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Scared of a gay guy! Isn't that like being frightened of a teddy bear?
I dunno, there have some scary teddy bears... :-)
One exception I can think of is an aggressive gay guy who wants you but can't have you (been there). That was scary. I was in a gay club that was a tad too heaving admittedly, but I had friends with me...
But no, typically gay people aren't the aggressive sort in public.
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The Extreme answer:
You should kill yourself. It's the only way you're going to get away from them.
The more logical answer:
You should grow up and quit trying to make other people's business your own.
Either of the two above would be recommended by me.
:-D
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Hoya!
@mikeymike
... And you were listening to gabber!!! :roflmao:
Be funky
M A D
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I went into a gay bar one night(it was Friday night and I was stupid enough to be wearing trainers- long story. It was the only place that would allow me). I'm straight, but I still impressed one of the best-looking guys there when I was 'busting moves' and 'being groovy'. I went away not knowing what to feel.
I settled for 'mildly happy'- that I can impress anyone by dancing. :-D
There, that's turned the thread into more of a coffee chat. I'll have a G & T now.
Incidentally, I'm 19. But a cross between a mature 19-year-old and an immature 19-year-old. :-)
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bloodline wrote:
iamaboringperson wrote:
Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.
Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)
These pricks really sicken me.
:-X
Seriously dude!!! Why are you so frightened of someone's sexuality?
Scared of a gay guy! Isn't that like being frightened of a teddy bear?
It's not the sexuality that freaks me out, it's that HANDSHAKE! :-o (Although I've come to realise straight people with limp handshakes freak me out as well) :lol:
Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.
/old fart
Ok, so I'm not really a homophobe, I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
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T_Bone wrote:
It's not the sexuality that freaks me out, it's that HANDSHAKE! :-o (Although I've come to realise straight people with limp handshakes freak me out as well) :lol:
Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.
/old fart
Ok, so I'm not really a homophobe, I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
hm, I somehow like that aspect. But I have a firm handshake. That's what I hate about myself: physically, I'm just a big, strong, clumsy and crude caveman
the only way I could give one a limphandshake is if I would get RSI
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Ok, so I'm not really a homophobe, I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
LOL! That wraps this thread up then!
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Except people should give more firm handshakes. Even gay people. It just gives more of a friendly greeting, y'know. Nothing worse than what appears to be shaking a leaf of wet lettuce.
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I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
i'm with ya!
and I HATE the guys that think they have to be "nice" and not give ME a firm handshake because they are afraid of hurting me or something.
I always make sure to REALLY grab them good!!!
hee hee.
I's SO evil! :evil:
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@Cecil
You can shake my hand any time you want! (nudge! nudge! wink! wink!) I have to admit though, my shaking hands skill is not as good as the one, Mr Shake Hands Man! :-)
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limp handshakes forever! :-D
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cecilia wrote:
I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
i'm with ya!
and I HATE the guys that think they have to be "nice" and not give ME a firm handshake because they are afraid of hurting me or something.
Well, there's firm, and then there's the CRUSHER!!!
I'm always very wary of a crusher. Not to be trusted.
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I can't give a firm handshake. I just don't have the swength. I worry that it weflects badly on me.
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Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.
I'm with you here. Crushing handshakes are obnoxious and rude, and limp handshakes leave me feeling like I've just touched something slimey.
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Hum,
Aren't handshakes a bit old-fashioned anyway...
i hear that rubbing noses is all the rage on Baffin island...
<"Respect!" — Ali.G >
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I can't give a firm handshake. I just don't have the swength. I worry that it weflects badly on me.
:-D
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cecilia wrote:
i'm with ya! and I HATE the guys that think they have to be "nice" and not give ME a firm handshake because they are afraid of hurting me or something.
I always make sure to REALLY grab them good!!!
hee hee.
I's SO evil! :evil:
:-o Remind me to stay out of your grabbing range! (Though I always try to give a firm handshake).
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Wain wrote:
Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.
I'm with you here. Crushing handshakes are obnoxious and rude, and limp handshakes leave me feeling like I've just touched something slimey.
'limp handshakes' are kinda new for me. I think of it as something quite civilized. Kinda like: keeping a certain distance to each other, while not ignoring each other...
but nothing beats the eastern bow as greeting
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I forgot to mention that they're at this college also. :-(
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Limp handshakes? Is that some kind of old Navy euphemism? :-P
Best don't shake people's hands at all, but simply stare at them coldly with a vague expression of disgust. This tactic works perfectly for me. Even with such tactics though, I still can't get a job. Mystery.
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iamaboringperson wrote:
I forgot to mention that they're at this college also. :-(
They also exist in small towns but they pretend to be straight so they wont get beat up. Then they marry women (that would otherwise be available to marry a straight guy) so that they "fit in" and don't seem gay.
Tragic really, but also somewhat amusing.
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They also exist in small towns but they pretend to be straight so they wont get beat up. Then they marry women (that would otherwise be available to marry a straight guy) so that they "fit in" and don't seem gay.
Tragic really, but also somewhat amusing.
Well, I don't think it's amusing!
I'm no longer going to be violent toward the faggot people! :-) :-)
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FluffyMcDeath wrote:
iamaboringperson wrote:
I forgot to mention that they're at this college also. :-(
They also exist in small towns but they pretend to be straight so they wont get beat up. Then they marry women (that would otherwise be available to marry a straight guy) so that they "fit in" and don't seem gay.
Tragic really, but also somewhat amusing.
:lol:
Actually I don't understand why they do that.
Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.
Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know! :-P
I don't understand it.
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Actually I don't understand why they do that.
Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.
Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know!
I don't understand it.
You're right.
I fail to understand that also. However, it really makes me wonder as to whether there really is 'homosexuallity' or whether it is as we may assume it is.
Which is why I sort of see them as 'straigt people gone mad'
After all, there is no proven hormonal abnormality. And studies on twins suggest that it IS nurture rather than nature.
:-)
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After all, there is no proven hormonal abnormality. And studies on twins suggest that it IS nurture rather than nature.
:roll:
Dude, get over yourself, you're not superior to them.
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Which is why I sort of see them as 'straigt people gone mad'
After all, there is no proven hormonal abnormality. And studies on twins suggest that it IS nurture rather than nature.
I disagree.... I've known gay guys who say they knew they were "different" from a very early age. To attribute homosexuality to mental illness is naive. What studies are you referring to?
Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you. Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...
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Have you got your emergency Preparation H standing by yet for when your latent homosexuality breaks through, iamaboringperson? Already you're gravitating towards gays (an important sign of gayness) and you're a homophobe (another strong sign). I'm sure it's just a matter of time before your hobbies include manlovin', shoes, and curtain designs.
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PMC wrote:
Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you. Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Or is this again an aspect of the victorian romantic view of the realizable world?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Or is this again an aspect of the victorian romantic view of the realizable world?
I guess I was trying to prove a point that people are people no matter what. Call it dumb an attempt at political correctness on my part...
I guess some people are happy in monogamous relationships, whilst others are just as happy with other arrangements.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
PMC wrote:
Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you. Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Or is this again an aspect of the victorian romantic view of the realizable world?
I think you are having trouble with translating the verb.
"have been known to have" means that Some gay people - like everyone else - are capable of "happy and monogamous relationships". It doesn't mean they HAVE to be this way.
when San Francisco had that run on marriages a few months ago, I heard the 1st couple to get married had been together 50 years. and they were not alone. So, it's not uncommon.
that sentence doesn't insist monogamy is "normal", better or the only way to go. it's just not unusual.
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Speel wrote:
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
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KennyR wrote:
Speel wrote:
Why should one have a monogamous relationship? As long as ppl are honest to each other, I do not see ANY problem in polygamous relationships.
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
...in practice ppl should think and decide for themselves about that. Every situation and person is different, y'know. To condemn such is petty meddlesomeness I think.
@PMC
sorry about that I misinterpreted your intentions
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Speel wrote:
...in practice ppl should think and decide for themselves about that.
Sure they should, but they should use past examples as a gauge, as well as common sense and conventional wisdom. Polygyny is not something that is recommended highly by any of these. Human beings are just too competitive.
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Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.
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Speel wrote:
Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.
Evolution is unkind on the uncompetitive.
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oh no! not again about that evolution thing
We do not have yet a clue about the incredible complex phenomenon/hypothesis of evolution, so plz do not use that word as an argument.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, the fact that the majority of ppl are competitive really doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE person on this planet is competitive.
The whole act of marriage in the first place is competition. You make the decision to get married for several reasons all boiling down to competition. Even competition itself can be boiled down to "goals." To have any goal is to compete. Life itself is competition.
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Competition is bad for a social system, wich is, as far as I know, the main aspect of humans.
look at third world countries, and you'll see I'm right. It's there where much competition is and with competition comes distrust and with distrust, there's no functioning of a group.
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Speel wrote:
Competition is bad for a social system
Of course it's not! Competition is what keeps interactions in a social system going, and decides leaders or representatives. Without going to the extreme and leaving sick people out in the snow, where would we be without competition? Nothing, that's what we'd be. Like a company that has no competition, we'd just swell fat and lose all direction, and be easy pickings for someone or something that is competitive.
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okay, we should rather talk about "group competition" and "individual competition" and the latter is bad for the functioning as a group.
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T_Bone wrote:
bloodline wrote:
iamaboringperson wrote:
Okay, first the fairies are on the train, then they're at a place at which I've been working for a while.
Not only that, but I think one has moved into the group of flats I'm in. (Along with some real derro's)
These pricks really sicken me.
:-X
Seriously dude!!! Why are you so frightened of someone's sexuality?
Scared of a gay guy! Isn't that like being frightened of a teddy bear?
It's not the sexuality that freaks me out, it's that HANDSHAKE! :-o (Although I've come to realise straight people with limp handshakes freak me out as well) :lol:
Maybe I'm an old fart, but when someone gives me a limp handshake, it feels like I've been goosed. Gays with firm handshakes don't bother me at all.
/old fart
Ok, so I'm not really a homophobe, I'm a limphandshakeophobe.
I think I'm with you on this one, but I don't think it really depends on sexuality. A handshake actually expresses a lot, and is an important part of body language in western society. I think that a limp handshake shows reluctance, perhaps in some cases superiority, and I don't want to shake hands with someone who doesn't want to get a relationship to start off on an even keel, so to speak.
Admittedly though, a handshake means more to some people than others. I always shake hands with someone the first time I meet them, and particularly when I haven't seen someone for a long time. To me its a real sign of affection, and almost of mutual respect. Others seem indifferent to shaking hands.
@Wain
In the same vein, people who try and crush my fingers in a handshake viz getting relationship started on a level playing field. Someone really trying ot crush my hand is trying to assert dominance maybe, to be rude, whatever. But to me a handshake is almost like a sign of respect, not a chance to try and assert as humans, partiularly males, are apt to do.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@PMC
sorry about that I misinterpreted your intentions
That's cool Speel, maybe I didn't make it clear enough.
:-)
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iamaboringperson wrote:
Actually I don't understand why they do that.
Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.
Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know!
I don't understand it.
You're right.
I fail to understand that also. However, it really makes me wonder as to whether there really is 'homosexuallity' or whether it is as we may assume it is.
Which is why I sort of see them as 'straigt people gone mad'
After all, there is no proven hormonal abnormality. And studies on twins suggest that it IS nurture rather than nature.
:-)
Right, I'm gonna kind of go out on a limb here. This raises eyebrows whenever I bring this up, my little theory....Here goes...
Sex is everywhere. No, I don't mean sex used blatantly to sell things or whatever. I mean it plays a part in every part of our social life, aside from the search for a mate.
IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.
[Note I said often, not all :)]. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as this is pretty much a conjecture.
From working in different environments, you see what effect sex has. For example, working in an almost exclusively female environment was, well, quite good. At times the situation caused nigh-on sexual harassment.
[I suppose blokes generally don't mind having their backsides pinched by random women, or constant sexual innuendo...]. Whilst the relationship the women have with each other is something to observe. You soon see that you have the better end of the deal.
I also find older ladies are drawn to me. The last place I worked [before I started in the building trade a few weeks ago], for example: The lady I was working for asked how old I was, then said, "You're about the same age as my son", and started asking me what I'd done before and what school I'd been to, and then she told me about her son - needless to say, we got off to a great start! :lol:
Anyway, I'm digressing, this is where I stick my neck out:
Now I'm not trying to get completely Freudian on you here...
Sex kinda governs your relationship with people of the same sex I reckon. No, I don't mean behaving differently when those people of the same sex are in competition to get the attention of the opposite sex. I mean in normal day-to-day dealings. You probably don't even notice it. But you will find yourself liking someone more than another, for no reason you can perceive. Have you ever taken a dislike to someone because of the way they look physically? If so, why? Because of something genetic, I believe. And being keener on one person over another on the basis of their appearance, IMHO, is closely linked to 'sex'. That doesn't mean you want to sleep with them, necessarily though.
So after much babbling, what I'm trying to say is, that we've all got a bit of homosexuality in us. Put that in your pipe and smoke it iama! :lol:
edit:
Another interesting point, again conjecture though! Brazil has a lot of gay and bisexual people - which begs the question: If we had more lax social views of sexuality, and it wasn't though of as "wrong" - would more of us be gay or bisexual?
BTW Iama, who is that picture of in your avatar? Poor girl has made herself look hideous.
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IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.
Oh god!!! I'm far closer to my Father... I kinda have a Hate relationship with my mother...
What does that say about me!!! :nervous:
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Cyberus wrote:
Admittedly though, a handshake means more to some people than others. I always shake hands with someone the first time I meet them, and particularly when I haven't seen someone for a long time. To me its a real sign of affection, and almost of mutual respect. Others seem indifferent to shaking hands.
Handshakes are so witualised to me that I can't tell if there's any affection there or not.
Last time I met an old friend after a long time, we did this odd kind of handshake with our hands at 90 degree angles almost like an arm wrestle in the air. It was informal but meaningful too.
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bloodline wrote:
What does that say about me!!! :nervous:
nothing, I got a closer relation to my mother. (also, I was always the benjamin of the family, and kinda weird and naive boy, so my mother's very protective)
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Benjamin?
Is that like the 'black sheep of the family'?
i.e. The odd one out
Hmm, Benjamin the Black Sheep...
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Cyberus wrote:
Benjamin?
Is that like the 'black sheep of the family'?
i.e. The odd one out
Hmm, Benjamin the Black Sheep...
Ben = kid
benjamin is the youngest kid
(in Jewish language)
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bloodline wrote:
IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.
Oh god!!! I'm far closer to my Father... I kinda have a Hate relationship with my mother...
What does that say about me!!! :nervous:
Well I did say correct me if I'm wrong! :-)
Its just what *my* experience of other people has been. Like I said before, its just conjecture, aka, talking out of my arse :lol:
Would like to see what other people think about some of these points is all. :-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
What does that say about me!!! :nervous:
nothing, I got a closer relation to my mother. (also, I was always the benjamin of the family, and kinda weird and naive boy, so my mother's very protective)
Yeah, but my Father is a boring, uncomunicative, alcoholic...
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:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'
Sorry I'm one bottle of Shraz down... I'm probably not making sense...
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bloodline wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
:-? Eh? I don't get you Bloodline.
I thought it was about the 'Fruedian relationship of child and parent'
Sorry I'm one bottle of Shraz down... I'm probably not making sense...
Heh, I was pretty {bleep}ed when I originally brought all this up - hence all the babbling in my post...
Long, dusty day at work, and nearly the.........
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T_Bone wrote:
FluffyMcDeath wrote:
iamaboringperson wrote:
I forgot to mention that they're at this college also. :-(
They also exist in small towns but they pretend to be straight so they wont get beat up. Then they marry women (that would otherwise be available to marry a straight guy) so that they "fit in" and don't seem gay.
Tragic really, but also somewhat amusing.
:lol:
Actually I don't understand why they do that.
Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.
Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know! :-P
I don't understand it.
A lot of people hide and try to pose their way into the straight world out of fear. Fear of going to hell (<--this is a HUGE one for many), fear of being disowned(often by ENTIRE family), fear of being assaulted, abused or killed, fear of being rejected by society and evicted from the opportunity of leading a successful and happy life, fear of living a life that is "immoral" or "wrong", fear of being a bad person, the list goes on and on.
You have to remember that in MOST of the US, people are raised being told that to be gay is wrong, God hates you, you're going to hell, you're single-handedly going to destroy society, you're a threat to everyone's children, you're family will hate you, you don't deserve to be loved, and you should be beaten to death...all because you're a guy who happens to be attracted to other guys...it's really stupid, but when people grow up in places like this, if they are gay, they will traditionally do everything in their power to hide it. Then you get the power-conservative psycho's who are gay too, people like Roy Cohn for example...admitting his homosexulaity would have ruined everything he had built for himself out of his own hate-mongering.
Many people in this world, especially if they come from small religious towns, aren't raised with the strength to be defiant...and for every person that came out due to he Matthew Shepard incident, there are two more who went much deeper into the closet instead.
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KennyR wrote:
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
Monogamy is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
And as for your comment about being competitive, surely that's at least as much an argument against monogamy (where you risk losing your partner altogether to the competition).
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T_Bone wrote:
Actually I don't understand why they do that.
Peer pressure? to FIT IN? please.
Would you pretend to be gay and renounce women if it meant you'd fit in, in a gay world? I wouldn't, I'd continue to indulge, conformity be damned! I'd rather be a black sheep that get's laid [by the attracted-to sex] than the white sheep. Who'd fake it? Would you sleep with another guy to be more popular in school/work/society? I wouldn't, and couldn't for that matter, short of holding a gun to my head, and even then I don't know! :-P
I don't understand it.
I imagine it happens when the only thing you know and have been told about is hetereosexual relationships, despite the feelings you might have towards other men.
If you're going to consider a "gay world", you also have to forget all that you've learnt and seen in this straight world. You won't be able to "renounce women" because to begin with, you won't have even taken the step to having relationships with them. You won't be "continuing to induldge" because you won't have started. You'll have been brought up to believe that everyone has same sex relationships, and if opposite sex relationships are mentioned at all, it's only in the sense that they are unnatural and evil.
Any thoughts you have towards women would be supressed and discounted as passing emotions that don't really mean anything. You'll never get to try out an actual relationship (or anything) with a woman. When you go out with a man, it might not seem right at all, but you'll guess that that's just the way it is - you've got nothing to compare it to.
Of course, in this day in age, I would hope that gay people pretending to be straight would be far less common.
Another thing to remember is that many people might well be bisexual, but they don't pursue same sex relationships out of fear of homophobic reactions or just decide it's easier being straight in this world. It's sad that they feel they have to do that, but it's not strange that they are able to go with a woman if they are bi.
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mdwh2 wrote:
KennyR wrote:
Polygyny is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
Monogamy is like communism. Sounds great in theory, but in practice...
As much as I would love to sleep around and play the field... I'm just not able to... :-(
I can't do it, when I'm in a relationship, thats it... a form of social/psycological castration I guess...
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Well, just to be exact, non-monogamy doesn't imply sleeping around (which to me suggests sleeping casually with lots of people, possibly including random strangers), although of course it allows the possibility of sleeping around when you have a relationship.
Not that that affects your point about not being able to - the important thing to remember is that not everyone is the same. What doesn't work for some might work for others.
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I disagree.... I've known gay guys who say they knew they were "different" from a very early age. To attribute homosexuality to mental illness is naive. What studies are you referring to?
You can disagree all you like.
I'm only refering to two particular studies that I've read about before - I can't remember the names of the researchers, or what their papers were called, however when I find the info in a book that I have, I'll be only too glad to post the details (I might even copy & paste an abstract or two).
The fact is that what I just wrote is proven.
Identical twins are not always attracted to the same things (also, they usually have vastly different personalities, too). Infact they are only rarely attracted to the same attributes.
Hormones are the same between homo & normal men.
Hormones are the same between homo & normal women.
There is basically the same range of brain sizes and masses for all men, and the same range of brain sizes and masses for all women, too.
There is no proven difference between a homo and normal brain.
All the evidence suggests that the cause is psychological, and not biological.
Anyway, just because someone's gay doesn't mean that they're in any way a threat to you. Gay people have been known to have happy and monogamous relationships too...
But I just have to watch them around my property - they might steal it!
If I knew that fags in public think things about me that are anything like what I think about fine chicks that I see on the train etc. I'd punch them. Because it is sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted.
KennyR said:
...and you're a homophobe (another strong sign)....
WHY IS IT?
Okay ... um ... let me think now .... umm...
I say that unionists, on average, have a lower birth-weight and IQ, than non unionists!
There!
IIRC, boys often are closer to their mother, whilst girls are often closer to their fathers, the parent of the opposite sex.
I don't know where you get that.
BTW Iama, who is that picture of in your avatar? Poor girl has made herself look hideous.
:-D She's my new girlfriend - her name is Michaela, she's half Thai. And she's f'ing gorgeous!
Find out more about her, here! (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9840)
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Hey guys...I'm really tired of reading the idea on here that homosexuality needs to be "treated" in some way in order to get rid of it.
Either by discussing it as a potential "abnormality", or suggesting that homosexual acts on the other end of the country might somehow in some wierd magical-mystical-pseudo-psycho-abstract way change the relationship someone else has with his/her wife/husband.
Most of the anti-gay comments on here sooner or later start sounding a lot like five year-olds complaining because someone else was looking at them.
Homosexuality, whether genetic or socially adopted makes no difference. People will try to argue that if it's not genetic then it is a choice, but I personally can't identify exactly when I start "choosing" to find certain people attractive over others, and I'm surprised that some straight people are so amazingly gifted as to be able to choose all their feelings and reactions and urges...I however, do not possess such gifts, if I did, I certainly would never hurt again.
It's not like gay men are continually fighting their urges to go have sex with women every day in order to get it on with guys!
It doesn't matter what studies can prove or disprove regarding homosexuality BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVER GOING TO GO AWAY. You're either going to have to get on the boat and deal with your insecurities and adolescent bigotry, or you're going to have to move to antarctica, but I really suggest you don't have children while you're there because sooner or later, one of them will turn up gay, and then you'll have spoiled that too.
Homosexuals are born by Heterosexual parents, they come from all walks of life, and are prevalent throughout ALL of history IN EVERY CONTINENT, and in EVERY CULTURE(although historically speaking, most are what we would now refer to as bisexual)
So please, stop talking of it as an error that needs to be fixed as though what I do somehow has any impact on you, whom I've never even met in person, and don't even live in the same city as (several of you I'm not even on the same continent).
Your assumption that everyone on this planet must be like you or is inferior and faulty and destructive to society is pure hubris, highly derogatory, and thoroughly offensive. I am a good person, I have strong beliefs in who I am, and what I want, and a strong value system regarding what I feel is right and wrong, and what I do romatically is none of your damn business, and will never hurt you in any way.
How I file my taxes will never hurt you, my receiving inheritance from a deceased loved one will never hurt you, my ability to visit a loved one in the hospital will never hurt you. I do what I can just like everyone else in this world to get by with a modicum of self-respect and integrity, and you have no right to tell me that my choice to love another human being is invalid, and should be denied to me.
You're of course, perfectly welcome to not understand it. If you're heterosexual, homosexuality SHOULD be foreign to you, But condemning it as "wrong", "abnormal", "destructive", or any of the other foolishly judgemental labels thrown at it is just dumb. Primarily because the people attacking it so harshly ADMIT UPFRONT that it's something they don't understand! If you don't understand it then how on earth can you be qualified to judge those involved?
At the same time, I understand being afraid of something different, I understand being more interested in "being right" than admitting you might be an ass, we all have that problem, it's a human wiring thing, and because I understand these things, and do them myself from time to time, I have nothing but love for you, what do you have for me?
P.S. I once again request that people refrain from using the word "fag" on this board as it is a word that has its roots in the notion that homosexuals should be burned to death, and it is HIGHLY offensive and derogatory.
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iamaflippingmoron
If I knew that fags in public think things about me that are anything like what I think about fine chicks that I see on the train etc. I'd punch them. Because it is sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted.
Trust me, NO ONE finds YOU attractive!
No ONE LOOKS at You and Thinks, "wow, I want some of that!"
they looks and go, "eeewwwww"
:-o
Wain: you have WAY too much class for that idiot
:lol:
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Wain wrote:
Hey guys...I'm really tired of reading the idea on here that homosexuality needs to be "treated" in some way in order to get rid of it.
I don't think that's even possible. hetrosexuality can't be treated either. (well, in my case anyway... anyone who feels they could be changed raise their hand)
Homosexuality, whether genetic or socially adopted makes no difference. People will try to argue that if it's not genetic then it is a choice, but I personally can't identify exactly when I start "choosing" to find certain people attractive over others, and I'm surprised that some straight people are so amazingly gifted as to be able to choose all their feelings and reactions and urges...I however, do not possess such gifts, if I did, I certainly would never hurt again.
I never made any choice. I'm a hardwired hetrosexual. Choice would be impossible for me. I think people who experience "choice" are bisexual. I think people who can be "converted" are bisexual too. There's no hetrosexual gene, but I still never made a choice.
At the same time, I understand being afraid of something different, I understand being more interested in "being right" than admitting you might be an ass, we all have that problem, it's a human wiring thing, and because I understand these things, and do them myself from time to time, I have nothing but love for you, what do you have for me?
How about a handshake :lol:;-)
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iamaflippingmoron
I love you too, sweetheart! :-]
Trust me, NO ONE finds YOU attractive!
No ONE LOOKS at You and Thinks, "wow, I want some of that!"
they looks and go, "eeewwwww"
Wain: you have WAY too much class for that idiot
Really? Well, that's not all bad.
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iamaboringperson wrote:
I'd punch them. Because it is sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted.
Make my day! I'll be happy to legally break your neck with my bare hands!
(self defence)
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iamaboringperson wrote:
If I knew that fags in public think things about me that are anything like what I think about fine chicks that I see on the train etc. I'd punch them. Because it is sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted.
Just because someone's gay doesn't mean they're mentally undressing you every time they see you... God forbit but you might not exactly be their type!?
They might also be in a monogamous relationship and committed to one partner... And not necessarily thinking about you in a sexual way either.
Anyway, you're entitled to your opinions and nothing I'm going to say is ever going to change that but I too must object to the use of the word "fag" here.
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Oh,
And what is your opinion of lesbians Iama? Are they sick, abnormal and demented too?
I wonder how much hypocracy is betrayed by your index.dat file?
:lol:
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PMC wrote:
I wonder how much hypocracy is betrayed by your index.dat file?
:lol:
iamaboringperson is at a critical stage of his homosexuality denial now. He's ranting about how it's disease, indicating his own helplessness and guilt. His current avatar and phrase underlines exaggerated heterosexuality as if he's trying to prove to himself and the world that he's not gay. The harder he fights to hide it, the more obvious it gets.
Yup, iamaboringperson's as bent as a corkscrew. :lol:
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@iama
I think you need to take a trip to Dr Frasier Crane! :-)
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Anyway, you're entitled to your opinions and nothing I'm going to say is ever going to change that but I too must object to the use of the word "fag" here.
I must object to the word fag too, nothing to do with Homosexuality... I just hate smoking!
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@Wain
As ever, a fascinating read, I bow to your superior wordsmithing :-)
I did try to stay out of this debate, honestly, though I did follow it with emense interest. But I just couldn't help myself but to put in my two penith ;-)
I didn't know the roots of the word "fag", to me its just a slang term for a ciggarette, but I will honor the request and stick to calling them smokes - less chance of causing offence by misunderstanding that way.
Also as to your point about what would others have for you, I would have to say on my part, love also.
@iama
Seriously bud, I would seek proffesional help on this, and the recomendation that you knock it off using the word "fag". Sooner or later you're going to have to deal with these feelings, as not doing so may well result in your hurting yourself or others. And as much as I think you quite the troll, I would not like you to end up getting a kicking after opening your mouth at a bad moment goes wrong...
What can I say, I don't like to see people hurt, regardless of what I think of them.
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mdwh2 wrote:
But we're online, so we have to stick with using our brains to discuss this.
:roll:
discuss my *ss.
I don't call it discussing what Iama does here, I call it trolling.
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You must have some sick, unnatural, destructive, and perverted about women then! I'd punch you if I saw you too!
if i thought he was thinking about me like that I'd call the police! :-x
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mdwh2 wrote:
But we're online, so we have to stick with using our brains to discuss this.
Uhoh. Asking iamaboringperson to use his brain in a forum is like asking Austria to use its navy for a battle.
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KennyR wrote:
mdwh2 wrote:
But we're online, so we have to stick with using our brains to discuss this.
Uhoh. Asking iamaboringperson to use his brain in a forum is like asking Austria to use its navy for a battle.
You ought to ba ashamed of yourself.
Only ONE person who has argued against me on this thread has actually made one decent argument. One that has come from logic and a bit of thought.
It's an argument that did actually appeal to me - and made me think.
If you people want to prove how smart you are compared to me, one day, I would like to see just one argument that is based on some facts.
I want facts and logic, not some emotional {bleep}ty whinging.
That's the difference between you and I.
For shame!
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iamaboringperson wrote:
I want facts and logic, not some emotional {bleep}ty whinging.
Oh. You mean, like "HOW COME I'M SURROUNDED BY SO MANY F**KING FAGGOTS?!?!?!"
:roll:
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@Iama,
When you post something like "Why am I surrounded by so many P O O F T E R S" and "Should I respect men who want to have sex with chickens?" do you really expect a reasoned arguement?
You also say you want an arguement based on fact. I'd be interested to see some quotes re those facts upon which you base your opinions.
So Iama, how do you feel about lesbians...? Do those same feelings apply?
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:roll:
Don't worry Iama, one day, maybe, when you're old enough, you may get to understand. But don't go through life with your senses closed off from the world.
You expect people to have respect for you/your arguments when you show no respect to a very large group of people. I think the word hypocrite comes to mind.
Also bear in mind that not only are some people who frequent this forum are the people you've insulted, but also that straight people can and do have gay friends too.
Try to engage brain in future.