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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Calen on January 25, 2003, 04:30:12 PM
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While it may come as no shock that i favour OS4 and there future plans over other choices, i for one think That Amiga.inc could do alot more for the current platform. Here we have Hyperion being almost the complete driving force when it comes to the OS and new games software for our Amiga, as it stands for me they should clearly be holding the name Amiga.inc
I have good faith that Hyperion will do a great job on OS4, that part i'm not worried about, its the lack of new titles that may not appear for it. Amiga.inc in the meantime... instead of you concentrating 99% full on with this DE thingy could instead try to get the ball moving on new software for the here and now - OS4, be it ports or brand new titles or updates to current software that made the Amiga so special. Rally round old Amiga software developers and get them interested in OS4, DE/OS5 maybe your main goal but you have to also cater for the here and now, you talk they may listen, prolly more so than us users trying to push for new development.
DE/OS5 could very well be the next big thing in the computing industry...whos knows. but what i do know is that A.inc need to shift a fraction in there current stance in the amiga market, never mind the chicken and egg crap of which comes first, thats abvious, Software sells hardware and its a big gamble to put money into the amiga market as it is but lets not do things by half, People aint gonna come back to the Amiga Market because we just have a new OS and new hardware, they will want to know what new killer titles does it have and will i be able to do this like i can on a PC, - what ya mean you don't have a capable browser? :-x
While i may not look up upon Bill Bucks companys visions i will give them credit in how active they our for there current s/w and h/w to come, they our pushing and will prolly get alot of support, this we have seen already.
OS5 is what, best part of 2 years away? in the meantime with the right drive and some proper funding for the here and now, come your main objective time you could have quite a userbase to build upon and OS5/DE may not be such a risk afterall.
OS4 Target audience: current user base and possibly the millions who have left the scene over the years. - This could be accomplished as said above, even with getting 20% of the old users back. Thats quite a user base to build upon.
OS5/DE: Everyone and his dog :-)
While i may be reaching for the stars in some peoples eyes, they our just my thoughts so no need to turn this thread into a flame-fest please...
way back to my corner now...cheers :pint:
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I agree...
Hyperion is not the problem here.
They are super dudes.
(need to make a full fledged holywood film on these guys)
Amiga Inc. worries me badly.
Can't say much about them though.
Barely remember thier names.
It's good that they got deals here and there, but it's horrible that they are mute.
I hope that they are doing all that Bill Buck is doing inside of thier silence.
If not, we are all in a heap of trouble.
BTW...
After hopefully one day I get my AmigaOne with OS4, I'm gonna buy every freakin' game that Hyperion makes.
It might take a while, but it will be my goal.
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I agree completely....but i actually love Amiga Inc
Because it released (after 10!! years) an AMIGA and the new OS.....AmigaDE
What about....escom, Gateway 2000 ecc. ecc.?
samo79
Italian Amiga fun
http://digilander.libero.it/samo79
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I agree completely....but i actually love Amiga Inc
I also agree with this too.
I guess Amiga Inc. is kinda like a woman.
Can't live with her, can't live without her.
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I have to agree with both of you.
I have bought FreeSpace & Q2 for my 68k amiga
Both rock & i will be buying all their PPC games thusfar when i get Aone/Aos4
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I just HOPE that Amiga Inc actually see/read this thread and take note of all this and not be a Commodore/Escom/Gateway and ignore all of our reasonable wishes.
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@samo79
Because it released (after 10!! years) an AMIGA and the new OS.....AmigaDE
Let's take that with a little pinch of salt. :-)
Coder
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The problem is that Amiga inc. probably doesn´t have any money. No money means developing, so they let Hyperion do the job. Hyperion earns the cash that OS4 sales bring, and Amiga Inc. probably gets a tiny amount. Then Amiga Inc. lets somebody do OS5, A2 and so on... We´ll get the OS, we´ll get the hardware, but not from Amiga Inc....
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Commodore made mistakes, sure, but they weren't *that* bad. Escom had good ideas, but bit off more than they could chew. Gateway were doing some good things, but were chased off of it by M$.
Hyperion is in the drivers seat of AmigaOS4. Hyperion has a pretty good track record, so we'll have to wait and see what they do with the OS.
To be honest, since OS4 isn't on the shelves, everything about OS4 is sort of speculative at this point. OS5 is nothing but a pipe-dream, and MorphOS is squarely hampered by the lack of Pegasos boards.
I would like to see both be successful. However, if one of the two are successful (not throwing in a choice for either side, btw)--the community still wins.
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Coder wrote:
Let's take that with a little pinch of salt. :-)
Coder
Better take a truck (http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1998/4/euclid_r260_pickup/)load off salt :-P
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The problem is that Amiga inc. probably doesn´t have any money
Well it's been said alot of times but do we have proof on that? apart from looking as if they have been doing nothing lately, plenty of positive things may be going on behind the scenes which sadly i'm doubting is anything to do directly with OS4. So be it in the meantime if its the way to raise capital.
Just because they dont like saying how much they spend on things eg: Events does not mean there in deep troubled waters....fingers crossed
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Calen wrote:
The problem is that Amiga inc. probably doesn´t have any money
Well it's been said alot of times but do we have proof on that? apart from looking as if they have been doing nothing lately, plenty of positive things may be going on behind the scenes which sadly i'm doubting is anything to do directly with OS4. So be it in the meantime if its the way to raise capital.
Just because they dont like saying how much they spend on things eg: Events does not mean there in deep troubled waters....fingers crossed
Well, if you've got $50000 (that's $50 from 1000 people) and you can't manage to print a t-shirt, then it should not be that hard to figure out how much they need money.
I always hear people talking about Amiga Inc. But what is AmigaInc anyway? Fleecy moss? Never heard of until they acquired the name. Bill McEwen? Same thing.
I keep wondering if they have got anybody else working there.
I mean, if you don't have the resources to make a developer kit, then there is not much point in existing, is there?
They are not worthy to have the name of the best computer ever.
I ask you one thing. What have they produced in the 3 or so years that they have the name? NOTHING. It's that simple really. Nothing at all.
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@z5
Carefull young one real carefull that road you've taken my lead you
into the dark zone, where names are just noise and smoke :-D
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Kronos wrote:
@z5
Carefull young one real carefull that road you've taken my lead you
into the dark zone, where names are just noise and smoke :-D
Maybe i should add that i do have the deepest respect for Hyperion and the other developers working on OS4 and i truly believe they will make a good product.
I see OS4 as something completely separate from Amiga Inc. Well, it IS.
Although Amiga Inc mentioned that they would split up their team into AmigaDE and desktop. I can picture it before my eyes in a big meeting: "ok, we've got 3 people working here, so how will we divide it? 1 for DE and 2 for printing the t-shirt in the desktop department?
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>Truck
Perhaps a large Winnebago +Truck combo is more appropriate for "Fast, Mobile and Wireless" office for "the Officeless" Amiga Inc. :-)
Istaca (http://fortmyerstruckandauto.com/horizon03.htm)
The Winnebago can also function as temporary house, because apparently someone (the creditors?) had repossesed Amiga Inc's office, and (god forbid) Mr Bill McEwen house! :-)
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@asian1
Bill McEwen doesn't own Amiga Inc., some investors do. I would suspect that Bill has other levels of seperation from Amiga should something bad happen. I sincerely doubt that he is personally going to take a hit from any action/inaction of Amiga.
On the other side of the coin, Bill knows that if AmigaOS4 hits the shelves as a profit making product he can skim a bit more ;-) They aren't in business to throw money in the four winds.... No matter how much it looks like such! :huh: :-? :getmad: :-?
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Targhan: Bill McEwen doesn't own Amiga Inc., some investors do.
It surprises me how often people forget that.
I don't think Bill & Company are idiots, or that they are out of money. What is obvious to me is that they have commitments with other companies to deliver products and services, and have no time to further the old Amiga community. Even if they want to tell us everything and give us OS5, they can't.
The reason why Amiga Inc. is silent is because their business plans have nothing to do with the old Amiga community. That part of the business belongs to Hyperion, Eyetech, or anyone else willing to take the punishment.
I wish they would release ANY information about their new products, whether they are related to anything Amiga or not, but contractual agreements apparently prevent them from doing so.
That's why I've given up on the "old" Amigas and the AmigaOne. I like Hyperion's work, but that will only serve people who are really into the old Amigas. I've moved on and have no interest in upgrading my A1200. I only want to see what DE has to offer, so I don't have to be shackled to Windows, anymore.
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Well, I'm not impressed with DE, as it is very limited in it's scalability, it doesn't cover enough platforms to what it was intended to do, and nothing of any value has been done with it (yet).
I believe that Amiga Inc. is hurting for money; though, I would credit that more to the deplorable state of the economy than to stupidity.
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Wheres the hardware issue? ;-)
People wouldn't have started posting under unrelated but front page topics because Talk-About is off the front page now would they?
Or am I just a nasty cynic...
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>Investors who own Amiga Inc.
The only remaining "official investor" is NetVentures from Netherland:
NetVentures & Amiga (http://www.netventures.nl/htm/portfolio.htm)
Invisible Hands aka Kouri Capital (Dr Kouri + Soros) had gone bankrupt in May 2001. CSK (owner of SEGA & Ravisent) had denied the rumor of investment in Amiga Inc. Head of SONY VC also denied the same matter.
All of investment advisors & banking group said:
"We won't touch Amiga Inc, even with the longest barge pole!"
Perhaps the new / future investor is .... MICROSOFT!
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ide like to know where i could buy shares in amiga inc as i recon we could make a killing with them im that confident in them so if anyone knows how to get shares in amiga inc let me know !!!!! :-) :-D
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Privately owned company mate ...
iirc.. a few years ago they were contemplating something of that nature...
Bloody glad they are privately owned actually, coz if A.Inc ever do get on the "up &up" a certain M$ may well come "a sniffing around". Buy it just to kill it/asset strip... etc.
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Bloody glad they are privately owned actually, coz if A.Inc ever do get on the "up &up" a certain M$ may well come "a sniffing around". Buy it just to kill it/asset strip... etc.
To true The_Editor, we all know what M$ do with any competition.
Anyways, we our long overdue an update from Amiga.inc regarding how things our going on partners/DE-OS5 and basically everything else.
I'm sure we will hear something soon...
Been a few enlighting posts in this thread, cheers guys
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I wonder if Amiga.inc has offices.
It looks like they are (not)doing the job from
their livingrooms.
Just my feeling. :-D
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Calen wrote:
Bloody glad they are privately owned actually, coz if A.Inc ever do get on the "up &up" a certain M$ may well come "a sniffing around". Buy it just to kill it/asset strip... etc.
To true The_Editor, we all know what M$ do with any competition.
Anyways, we our long overdue an update from Amiga.inc regarding how things our going on partners/DE-OS5 and basically everything else.
I'm sure we will hear something soon...
Been a few enlighting posts in this thread, cheers guys
We all know what M$ does to it competition. But surely, M$ don't care or are not worried by a Company as small as Amiga Inc. Getting rid of Amiga Inc for them would be like us stepping on a little ant on purpose. Wait a minute. I sometimes step on ants on purpose. We're doomed ;-)
Seriously though, What I think could happen is that M$ would come along, get some of Amiga's great Idea's (not the AmigaOS stuff though even though this is a good idea) and label it as something M$ did/invented/created etc. The usual stuff.
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>Not from Living Room
Perhaps from a sweat shop with illegal immigrants busy knitting Amiga T-Shirt? :-)
Their office is vacated, phone + fax number cut.
The only available number is a cell phone (media / press only), direct to Mr Bill McEwen.
Perhaps the owner of their old office will put "For Lease" sign soon.
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Nov. 2, 2002 Update (http://www.amiga.com/corporate/110202-mcewen.shtml)
"The office is moving and we will have the new address, and contact information up in the next week. We needed to move into an area that is closer to the services and to the companies that we are working with."
It's the end of January, 3 months after the "next week" announcement and still NO OFFICE address!
>Closer to the companies - Mobile Team.
Apparently Mr Bill McEwen (former truck driver) still cann't find the parking space for his team's mobile office (aka Minnie Winnebago + Truck combo) :-)
Minnie (http://www.lichtsinn.com/motorhomes/minnie.htm)
Perhaps his first question to the customer: "Do you have large parking space for a Winnebago?" :-)
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Calen wrote:
To true The_Editor, we all know what M$ do with any competition.
I doubt that MS sees AInc as a competitor. AInc distributes games and provides a "compatibility layer" for devices running MS operating systems. Assuming that this stuff is commercially attractive, AInc is providing added value to MS products. If MS would be interested in the technology for themselves, I think they'd rather skip the middle man and go directly to the source and do what AInc does - license the stuff directly from Tao. Or just buy Tao.
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Only thing M$ would gain is the Name.... Amiga is still (incorrectly) associated to great and innovative games and good gameplaying experience. And that's something M$ don't have. Yet?
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@Joanna
Yeah! Just as someone did to Atari...
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I heard MicroSoft being cited as the "inventor of the computer"
last week. Jeeze.
Anyway no need for us to show ignorance the other way, MicroSoft
Games have an outstanding reputation for innovative and
good gameplaying experience amongst the masses - especially
strategy game fans.
I share a house at the moment with anothe guy who is into something
he calls Interactive Fiction. Even he reckons that MicroSoft has come
a long way since Freecell and MS-Golf.
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Well.. As far as I can tell all their major games have been purchases. Like that nice M$-Fligh Simulator. They just purchased entire company and add a company sticker to it. ;-)
Ok, they have made it begger and better dirung years, but it definitely was not in-house production.