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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga.org site announcements => Topic started by: on June 18, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
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First, I don't really feel an explanation is warranted, but considering the recent history regarding disappearing news posts, I felt that I should say something to ward off what will become the inevitable complaints.
Today, after examining the history of the situation, I removed the latest news item regarding intuitionbase.com (zero comments). Why? Well, over at least the last two weeks, we have been given a new news item every time Ryu makes the slightest change to his Web site. While we welcome news items of note, posting EVERY SINGLE CHANGE as a news item really amounts to what we'd like to call "free advertising".
Ryu is welcomed to purchase advertising, or to inform the rest of the world via our news interface when something truly substantial happens to his Web site (like completely changing things around, or adding completely new sections) but the news system is being abused in the name of free advertising, and that we cannot accept.
(edit: please note that we did NOT remove his news item regarding his newly created store, as that is actually of note).
For the record, I think he's doing a bang-up job with intuitionbase.com. I only wished he had respected his former duties and responsibilities to Amiga.org (as an admin) with as much zeal.
Wayne
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AO advertising is very inexpensive btw, a no brainer really.
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@wayne
While I partly agree, I do think your last remark is a bit of a cheap poke at Ryu and completely irrelevant [that is, the bit about his responsabilities on a.org].
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@odin,
I politely disagree with the poke comment, or the irrelevancy of the situation. It's not intended as an insult, because I think he IS doing a good job with intuitionbase.com.
Though most people don't agree, I *am* allowed to have and express my own thoughts here -- just as you are. My thought on the matter is that if he had shown even 1/2 as much interest in Amiga.org while he was a member of the staff here, this would be a much better place and there would be a lot less drama going on. That's not intended as an insult, but it is nonetheless a fact.
Perhaps you're right though in the end. Time will tell.
Wayne
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First off I put a lot of time and effort into amiga.org whilst i was a moderator here, I would of thought my activity on the admin list would prove that I was taking a keen interest in the goings on.
Also I would like to say every news item I have posted here has been to do with a major change or addition.
Also you (wayne) might recall whilst I was a moderator here I enquiered about advertising space for a friend, well at the time I was also interested for myself as I had planned to buy add space once intuitionbase was live. However after the way you have treated me I see zero reason why I should put anything further into this website, esspecially monetary, of which I have very little.
As of now I shall no longer be taking any part in amiga.org, I will no longer post any news items, any new threads or reply to any thread I see here on amiga.org. And after today I will never log back in here.
May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
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May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
Nothing more need be said. Have a nice day, and good luck with intuitionbase.
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May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
Thats not very nice this is still the best amiga site.that supports all amiga and pegasos systems . :-(
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All I can say is :
Today A.org got just another tiny bit better !
Thanks Ryu :-D
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May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
well, THAT'S mature! :lol:
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May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
Yay! More competing factions! :banana::banana::banana:
:roll:
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Ryu, you are acting like a 10 year old child here. The man simply asked you to ease up on the news posting, that's all. You are making it look like he told you to shut the **** up, or something.
You have to remember who's site this really is, and that we are all guests here. You can't come into a person's house and get offended/leave when they ask you to please use a coaster when placing your beer on the table.
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The irony of this - and the subsequent reactions - happening on this day will be lost on most people here, and I'm afraid I won't be explaining myself further.
Let's just say I am currently wearing a somewhat wry expression on my face.
:roll:
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Reading this God-forsaken melodrama, I am now completely and totally confused and lost. Perhaps it's a language barrier? Perhaps it's an issue with immaturity, perhaps it's an issue where everyone automatically thinks the worst of you for posting here. In any event, I need to slowly and carefully explain that there has NOT been an insult here.
For the record, I think he's doing a bang-up job with intuitionbase.com. I only wished he had respected his former duties and responsibilities to Amiga.org (as an admin) with as much zeal.
1) I *do* think he's doing a good job with his Web si.te
2) I *do* wish him luck with it, as I do all talented people who want to support the Amiga (even Amigaworld.net)
3) I *do* feel that if he put as much effort into his former duties with Amiga.org as he now is with his own Web site, Amiga.org would be a better place today.
I sincerely fail to see any negatives in any of this, nor do I see any place where I've insulted anyone to the point to solicit such a reaction from some people here.
Someone PLEASE let me know what language I have to speak in order to get everyone to stop the insanity. I *can* understand that Ryu is pissed about me removing the news, and he's instantly on the defensive, but I did not insult him, either directly or even indirectly. I simply stated my viewpoint, and if I am no longer allowed to do so without all this stupidity.... well, nevermind, let's not go there.
Wayne
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[trying to be funny]
So.. You mean you have nothing against Ibase.. That's what you'rer trying to say ?
[/trying to be funny]
perhaps it's an issue where everyone automatically thinks the worst of you for posting here.
I'd say, bingo... Either that, or people just love to b*tch..
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@Wayne
This bit:
I only wished he had respected his former duties and responsibilities to Amiga.org (as an admin) with as much zeal.
...can easily be read to mean "he didn't do his job as admin satisfactorily".
This:
I *do* feel that if he put as much effort into his former duties with Amiga.org as he now is with his own Web site, Amiga.org would be a better place today.
...is much more clear as to what you actually meant.
When feelings run high, every sentence invariably gets interpreted in the most negative way imaginable. People read, react and think, in precisely that order. Somethimes they even forget to do the last one...
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@seer,
Outside of a twinge of "wish he would have worked with us rather than on his own project", you're absolutely right. I have nothing whatsoever against Intuitionbase.com and wish him the best. I'm just not sure why he (and apparently a few others) choose to take every single word that's ever said and twist it into an insult.
He was posting news too often. Even ANN posters agree (with respect to ANN). As such, I removed his latest post and rather than have another "Amiga.org is censoring news" thread, I had HOPED to head off the pass and explain why I deleted it.
Some people are just never happy.
Wayne
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...can easily be read to mean "he didn't do his job as admin satisfactorily".
I am no linguistic expert and I have very little need for political gameplay, but I suppose I could have guessed that he would react that way. Especially considering his history of emotional posting and the fact that the whole thread was about why I felt the need to delete his news item in the first place.
It's just sad that the Amiga community seems to be devolving on a maturity level sometimes.
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I agree with ya Wayne.
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I agree with you wayne, but maybe it would have been a better idea to private ryu with something allong the lines of "Hey nice site, but watch out you don't whore our news section with too many updates".
And ryu, don't overreact, I remember how you had a go previously about people not donating after viewing one of your photo galleries, come on what the {bleep} does the world owe you?
That said you will be missed on amiga.org
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As one of your paying customers, I applaude your judgement on this issue. Posting to the forums is one thing, taking excessive advantage of "News" for splashing his site on your front page is quiet another. If I can afford to pay for banner space, so can he.
Dammy
Head Troll
BTTC
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@Ryu
Just one question before you go. can you please post some evidence that the video game company Capcom has allowed you to use a copyrighted picture of a character from their video games. i do not want people to think a circle with "No Piracy Campaign" is hypocritical when the picture looks like some sort of copyright infringement.
Thanks
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Just one question before you go. can you please post some evidence that the video game company Capcom have allowed you to use a copyrigthed picture of a character from their video games. i do not want people to think a circle with "No Piracy Campaign" is hypocritical when the picture looks like some sort of copyright infringement.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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@lorddef,
In my opinion, a PM wouldn't have cut it, because someone else would have simply started the "you censor news" thread.
Wayne
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I'm gonna say a few things and then, when I'm done, I'm gonna listen to what everybody else says and reply. I will attempt to remain polite throughout.
I am a member of the IntBase team and can tell you, quite wholeheartedly, that a lot of *major changes* have occured on IntBase recently. If you have been watching from day 1 you would know this. http://www.intuitionbase.com
Ryu may, and I say may because I don't know, have been posting many, many news items about updates. I feel that Wayne, you should have PM Ryu first, it is only polite.
Also, surely it doesn't matter what gets posted, we're a small communty, we need to stick together. Breaking ourselves apart like this is entirely unecessary.
Finaly:
Paul_Gadd wrote:
@Ryu
Just one question before you go. can you please post some evidence that the video game company Capcom has allowed you to use a copyrighted picture of a character from their video games. i do not want people to think a circle with "No Piracy Campaign" is hypocritical when the picture looks like some sort of copyright infringement.
Thanks
This was an incredibly unecessary dig in my opinion. Let's not beat each other up, we need to stick together, this is an important time.
Please can we not let this happen again?
GiGa
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Ryu wrote:
As of now I shall no longer be taking any part in amiga.org, I will no longer post any news items, any new threads or reply to any thread I see here on amiga.org. And after today I will never log back in here.
May Amiga.org die a quick and painless death.
thank god.
it's worse than a soap opera. ryu always seemed like a attention seeker and whenever was question about such matters over reacted...
lol, anyway :-)
@Paul_Gadd
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What a mess.......
/me runs quickly back to the sanity of the anti/pro USA bashing and other general bickering in CoffeeHouse....
Egos eh...:roll:
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Oh and about PG's post. Completely not suprised by your post. Trolling does seem to be your only goal in your existence on a.org innit?
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Alright, Shows over folks. Nothing to see here. I'm locking this topic due to the unneeded bashing at Ryu and lack of any thing constructive. That's all folk, move along.
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thank you GiGa for being reasonable. that is much appreciated. I do agree that as the Amiga community is small - and special - it's best to be nice to each other.
When I read Wayne's initial post i didn't see anything offensive. But, for me the bottom line is that this is Wayne's place and he has the final word on certain things.
There has been times when I have NOT posted certain comments simply out of respect to him and that idea.
I'm sorry ryu is upset over this, but I feel it's best to communicate first before one blows up.
thank you