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Title: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: redrumloa on June 17, 2004, 04:06:58 PM
New products are very hard to come by in the C= and Amiga market. There retro C= rebranded devices have retro name appeal, should I attempt carry them? The Mini-C64 seems easy enough, though I am leary of how many it will actually sell.

Note I havn't even contacted Tulip/Commodore/Ironstone yet, just considering the possibility. If the products are decent and the price reaonable, the name brand sure has geek factor to it;-)
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Acill on June 17, 2004, 04:18:54 PM
What other items do they offer? I think some of the more used items may be okay to sell. The CD-R disks and such. Other then that I think its just junk with the C= logo on it. you can get any place.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: vpcs on June 17, 2004, 04:38:39 PM
If you get a list together with some ball park prices we can have a better Idea ...
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Ilwrath on June 17, 2004, 05:17:30 PM
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There retro C= rebranded devices have retro name appeal, should I attempt carry them?


Well, I'm not really a fan of Tulip...  But, I wouldn't hold anything against a company who decided to carry their products.  So I'd say start small, and I doubt it would hurt anything to try....
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: BIG-IRON on June 17, 2004, 05:24:22 PM
If they will sell, yes why not.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Linchpin on June 17, 2004, 05:57:18 PM
Cool :-)

I think yes...
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: rawveeda on June 17, 2004, 06:11:17 PM
@redrumloa

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 If the products are decent and the price reaonable, the name brand sure has geek factor to it;-)


I think your last sentence says it all.

The evic looks kinda cool.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: seer on June 17, 2004, 06:36:52 PM
You're in a risky bussiness, take a risk  :-D
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Jope on June 17, 2004, 07:08:17 PM
Well, get a sample of their all-in-one joystick first and see if it's really good enough for your standards...

My understanding is, that the games are remakes and the hardware is an eastern nes-on-a-chip, that's similar to the Atari and Namco joysticks. (it's a pity that they don't play the real games either)
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Argo on June 17, 2004, 07:34:46 PM
I have no idea what they are selling. Most of my page requests on their site gets me their error page. They are either swamped or it's a crappy server. Though the webcast was nice and clear.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: seer on June 17, 2004, 08:10:06 PM
I have no idea what they are selling.

A MP3 player, some USB memory sticks, and a joystick stuffed with C64 games.. But I suppose they will add stuff to sell.. Commodore toothpaste perhaps ?  :-D
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Jope on June 17, 2004, 08:19:33 PM
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seer wrote:
I have no idea what they are selling.

A MP3 player, some USB memory sticks, and a joystick stuffed with C64 games.. But I suppose they will add stuff to sell.. Commodore toothpaste perhaps ?  :-D


There's been lots of C= branded stuff floating around ever since Tulip got the trademark.. Everything from multimedia headsets/speakers to CD-Rs..

I doubt most of the stuff is really worth carrying, perhaps if they release something that isn't available with some other name..
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: Jope on June 19, 2004, 08:52:27 AM
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Jope wrote:
My understanding is, that the games are remakes and the hardware is an eastern nes-on-a-chip, that's similar to the Atari and Namco joysticks. (it's a pity that they don't play the real games either)


I understood wrong.. On the cbm hackers list, I read that it should be close to a real c-64, but with remade hardware..

This is rather interesting. Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: graffias79 on June 19, 2004, 01:43:29 PM
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Jope wrote:

I understood wrong.. On the cbm hackers list, I read that it should be close to a real c-64, but with remade hardware..

This is rather interesting. Let's see what happens.


I wonder how they will handle SID, from what I understand that's not an easy chip to get right.

-Jamie
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: weirdami on June 19, 2004, 03:03:43 PM
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A MP3 player, some USB memory sticks, and a joystick stuffed with C64 games.. But I suppose they will add stuff to sell.. Commodore toothpaste perhaps ?  


How about toilets? The could call them Commode-ors. :-D

/me refrains from typing a pun about prophylactics. :oops:
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: jeffimix on June 19, 2004, 05:33:30 PM
@Graffias

maybe they'll just put in a DSP that's 50x faster to emulate it.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: melott on June 19, 2004, 10:52:26 PM
Hmmm.. I din't know about the C=64 stuff But...
I'm sure that if you could get the right to re-produce
some GFX card like the Picasso IV, compatable to
Zorro 2,3 and 4. Sell them at about $125.00. You would
sell a bunch. Just look at what used cards are going
for on EBay.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: redrumloa on June 19, 2004, 11:42:45 PM
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Sell them at about $125.00.


Naaah, that price would compete with the Prometheus;-) Actually I had a few new cards in mind that could have been developed in a very short period of time, a zorro III Voodoo card was one of them. Unfortunately the classic Amiga market has proved to be far to small for practically ANY new hardware.
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: melott on June 20, 2004, 03:33:55 AM
I didn't mean to develope a new GFX card.
All the work has been done on the Picasso IV, I use it
as an example because of its compatibility to all the
Classics. The card doesn't need to be improved, just
start producing them again. They would sell like 'Hot Cakes' :-D
Title: Re: New "Commodore" products, should I carry them?
Post by: DonnyEMU on June 20, 2004, 07:35:40 AM
I have had the opportunity to play the Atari 2600, Activision, and Namco Joystics.. After playing the Atari joystick I went right home and unearthed my old Atari 2600 from the closet and plugged it to the tv (a little difficult today because of the RF modulator). I couldn't really tell a difference between the old games and the new ones (with the exception that some of them use paddles which obviously isn't available as the controller). I played "Adventure" and I found the same Easter Eggs I could find in the original cart in the new game..

If a C-64 joystick comes out and these things only cost $20-25 I will run out and get it because of the quality of the already developed "retro packages". The intellivision 25 product is awesome as well. Now if they just come out with a colecovision controller I will be happy.

Anyway, this discussion seems silly to me after having played these games, and seeing tons of emulation products (like the VICE emulator). This is just downright "silly" to question the quality of these products, they  are fun and they look good. Folks here need to learn you probably will never have your original equipment back but you don't need to, to still enjoy the games.. If you are worried about carrying something, play test it yourself. These are really cool things that they are doing. Even if they use a processor that is 1000x better than the original equipment, if the spirit of the original is there who cares.

Personally I think these "tv games" are great.. Whoever thought of them and the marketing concept was great. Don't knock it until you try it. I hope the joystick they do bring out isn't a replica of the original Joystick hardware from commodore, I hated it and put a 2600 style controller in there instead..