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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/06/11/teacher.soap.ap/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/06/11/teacher.soap.ap/index.html)
:lol:
Give me a break.
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I don't want to sound like an old conservative here, but I wish teachers would do that more often. :)
And soap isn't poisonous, not is it physical or sexual assault...nor is it prolonged psychological assault...so I don't see any basis for the suspension. Apart from typical lawsuitism. (to coin a phrase)
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plus it was just a drop of liquid soap! And administered under supervision by the school nurse ;-)
Sheesh. I hope she get's to keep her job.
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But it's a physical assault.
You can physically get kids out of the school, but you cannot punish a kid physically.
Rules are rules, otherwise ppl gonna interpret guidelines for themselves.
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Whats the big deal? I agree with KennyR on this one
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JonoPike wrote:
Whats the big deal?
human interpretation of right and wrong.
Physical punishment should be banned, and banning such can ONLY very absolute, even these cases which are not harmfull should be banned for legal reasons.
And legal reasons are not built for multiple interpretations.
Next time it's a teacher who thinks it's reasonable to beat a kid up with a wooden stick.
Next time it's a teacher who screws a kid to let it understand what it said.
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Physical punishment, or the fear/threat of physical punishment is sometimes the only thing that keeps undisciplined, unruly little buggers in line.
Part of the reason that the Education system today is so piss poor is because there is no discipline - Kids can get away with nearly anything, and they know it.
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Oh hell Speel, it's people with ultraliberal views like that that caused the whole school system to turn into total sh!t. Teachers get abused and attacked on a daily basis. It's just liquid soap on the mouth, not being thrashed with a stick, humped from behind, or thrown out a plate glass window. What do you think teachers should be, the eternal victims in a system that never ever will take their side? Because that's what they are now, that's why I'll never be a teacher although I'm qualified to be, and that's why there aren't enough teachers around anymore.
I'll be nobody's victim, unless now and again I get the chance to score even. And with the current teacher system, that's impossible. If the rules don't allow change, then it can only get worse.
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Is it so hard to understand a phenomenon called 'law'?
You think 'law' is an ultraliberal imagination?
It's simple: if a student is causing trouble, kick it out of school. That's a legal thing you can do.
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Laws are supposed to be there for everyone, not for just one party. Laws that don't support both parties don't deserve to be followed.
And kicking students out of school is utterly pointless. Someone else has to get them then, don't they? Better they just get punished properly.
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Punishing should ONLY be done by law.
Otherwise, we can have all kinds of institutions which can punish.
For instance: the Maria Magdalena houses.
Laws that don't support both parties don't deserve to be followed.
Laws do not support parties.
Laws have to be obeyed. Period.
Someone else has to get them then, don't they?
Eventually, no. If one do not want to learn, nothing will work.
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Speel, kids need discipline. There are times when parents or teachers need to employ more drastic methods of enforcing discipline, and in a way they are failing in their ability to enforce discipline by resorting to such methods, but sometimes kids need to at least be threatened.
If a (troublemaker) kid knows that a parent or teacher can't enforce discipline, then they'll run amok.
Of course allowing parents and teachers to use more drastic methods of discipline will mean that the system will be abused. No system is perfect. But having a system is better than no system.
IIRC, my parents have never hit me, but I was threatened with it enough times (IMO, justly so), and the threat (and the belief/surety that they would carry out the threat if provoked) was enough to stop me acting like a little ******* !
When I was in primary school I remember a kid getting his mouth washed out with soap :-)
There are problems with where to draw the line, but IMO it is absolutely necessary to give parents/teachers the authority/responsibility to threaten and carry out more drastic forms of punishment. It is dangerous to say things like "as long as there are no lasting marks" as there are some horrendous forms of punishment/pain/torture that leave no marks, including mental abuse.
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Excluding a kid from the group is punishment enough.
Putting a kid in a place wich is empty and without anything that attracts attention does miracles.
Allowing physical methods to enforce discipline leaves WAY too much opportunities open for wrongdoers (plus a big grey area between enforcing discipline and abuse).
Besides that, a kid isn't immune for the law either.
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Speel, I knew some very bad kids when I was growing up. The class under me was one of the worst ever, and attacked bus drivers, teachers, and damaged property. The system did nothing to stop them. One of them was murdered shortly after leaving school, by one of his own gang.
I knew someone too who kept getting kicked out of schools because of his very serious behaviour (putting knives to people's throats, theft, etc). The social seclusion only made him worse and more extreme. I think he's in jail now. The system failed him, and everyone he affected.
And finally, a teacher was raped at my high school. I have no idea who did it (maybe even the guy above), but the teacher never came back, obviously. The system did nothing to protect her.
What do we do with people like that? Keep moving them around? Slap their wrists? Get all touchy feely with them? Why is it the teachers who always get the handcuffs and aren't allowed to do anything about this scum?
No, I'm afraid to say it, but sometimes people need their asses kicked, and hard. If the system isn't working, you need a new system, laws and liberalism be damned. Unless people with your lax views get out of schooling, Eyso, I will never be a teacher. What you call law is one sided, biased, and unfair.
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Maybe there would have been a better way to handle this, but I can't believe for a moment that it is worth even raising a fuss over. The teacher was obviously thinking about ways to punish that wouldn't be abusive or scarring.
While I agree that teachers need to be watched in order to protect our kids from potential bad ones, I also think we need to stop micromanaging every little thing they do or say. They're people too, and since in America most of them are left with the job of raising somebody elses kids, they certainly deserve a break more often than they get, and shouldn't be suspended over every single little thing they do or say when it really never hurt anybody.
Once upon a time (or so I'm told and have read), parents supported teachers and worked together to make sure their children were respectful both in and out of the home.
Now there's this whole "my kid is special and HOW DARE YOU touch/speak to/look at my child that way?" attitude, and it's really just a bunch of egocentric bull**** that most often comes from parents who can't even deal with their own lives, much less their kids.
I do realize that this isn't always the case, but it sure seems like it a lot of the time when I read news articles like this.
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What I read now here is quite another problem, or let I say problems:
The system does not maintain the law properly plus a bad social structure.
Allowing physical punishment won't cure that.
On the contrary.
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KennyR wrote:
laws and liberalism be damned.
And what about Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
What I read now here is quite another problem, or let I say problems:
The system does not maintain the law properly plus a bad social structure.
The law is the problem. It makes teachers and authorities powerless to act against abusive students. And so social structure suffers. If it is not changed, students will not become any less abusive, only more so. Bringing back physical punishment might not help, but blaming teachers for any failure of the idea that they're supposed to be angerless victims who'll never fight back and shouldn't be respected is even worse.
And Guantanamo Bay is not a school, Speel, and has no place in this debate. Even if it did the people there are not following any law, not even a bad one.
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Excluding a kid from the group is punishment enough.
Putting a kid in a place wich is empty and without anything that attracts attention does miracles.
Something tells me you didn't go to a "trouble" school :-) There were at least twenty kids in my year in secondary school who were regularly suspended. Like they cared. They continued being troublemakers all the time I knew them. Last I heard, at least two of them are currently in prison.
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KennyR wrote:
The law is the problem. It makes teachers and authorities powerless to act against abusive students.
fancy talk. ppl do not know how to use the law, because they do not know the law properly.
Bringing back physical punishment might not help, but blaming teachers for any failure of the idea that they're supposed to be angerless victims who'll never fight back and shouldn't be respected is even worse.
If a teacher is being attacked physically, she/he may defend her/himself physically, according to the law (at least, the Dutch law that is).
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
If a teacher is being attacked physically, she/he may defend her/himself physically, according to the law (at least, the Dutch law that is).
That's a lot of comfort for the teacher. 16 year old lad versus a young female teacher who is poorly paid for a job that demands the patience of a saint.
I'm not suggesting that teachers should be allowed to "slap their pupils around", but consider what you're saying from a practical, people living their life point of view. I wouldn't expect anyone to work in a place that leaves them open to such abuse for such a pittance of a salary and very little real defence.
The media is almost always against the teacher in cases like this, as is the law.
fancy talk. ppl do not know how to use the law, because they do not know the law properly.
Should a country be fit for normal people to live in, or does everyone have to be a lawyer in order to exercise their rights?
If you're a good person, the law should be on your side, not an uphill struggle to get an injustice against you taken care of.
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Should a country be fit for normal people to live, or does everyone have to be a lawyer in order to exercise their rights?
A citizen is obliged to know the law correctly.
mikeymike wrote:
If you're a good person, the law should be on your side,
Can't you understand your own subjectivness? What's exactly a 'good' person? A person who obeys the law or a person who thinks he can deny the law if it doesn't suit her/him well?
with a few million ppl living in a country, there are also a few million slightly/extremely different views of a 'good person'
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Bring back Workhouses!
Abusive school 'students' that regularly abuse or bully, oh, and have no academic prospects to succeed, should be thrown into slavehouses, and never let out. A few advantages could include:
Extremley cheap labour
Takes strain off prisons
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I was a "problem child." Two things to note:
1. They got me back on track without the need for anything like this. Hence, it's an unnecessary physical violation.
2. If anyone had tried to put soap in my mouth, I'd have probably bitten their fingers off.
I certainly would not have returned to school with a renewed willingness to co-operate.
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Sorry Eyso, come back to this thread when you've got a clue. What you're writing has the echo of "ivory tower" all over it.
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Should a country be fit for normal people to live, or does everyone have to be a lawyer in order to exercise their rights?
A citizen is obliged to know the law correctly.
Yes, but that should be taking into account that the law can be easily understood by the average citizen, and doesn't require that person to either be a lawyer or have one in order to make sure their rights aren't being stamped on.
mikeymike wrote:
If you're a good person, the law should be on your side,
Can't you understand your own subjectivness? What's exactly a 'good' person? A person who obeys the law or a person who thinks he can deny the law if it doesn't suit her/him well?
It's called idealism, Speel.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
I was a "problem child." Two things to note:
1. They got me back on track without the need for anything like this. Hence, it's an unnecessary physical violation.
For you, it might well have been unnecessary. But you aren't the "definitive" problem child.
2. If anyone had tried to put soap in my mouth, I'd have probably bitten their fingers off.
I certainly would not have returned to school with a renewed willingness to co-operate.
Horses for courses. For example, some children can be clever enough to have the truth laid out to them of what their lives will become if they don't sort themselves out, to do the right thing. Some aren't. Some may need a more forceful approach, some don't.
It's not supposed to be a 'fix all' solution. With people, I don't think there are any 'fix all' solutions.
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Having been the victim of kids like this poor teacher had to deal with so many times in my school life, I can honestly not shed a tear for this kid, moreover, if I saw the teacher, I'd buy them a pint.
What the teacher did may or may not have been right, but at least they were trying to do something!
Too many times in schools these days they are handstrung seven ways from sunday but "parents" wanting their perfect little angels (they are angels only when compared to the morning star) to be given special treatment, unable or unwilling to believe that their little darlings could possibly beat another kid half to death, or a teacher for that matter, or verbally abuse someone to the point that they contemplate suicide (or worse, follow through on that contemplation).
I for one say good on the teacher, I hope that it happens more often to such foul mouthed black hearted kids.
I know only too well how pathetic the system is at defending anyone from an under 16 year old bullying, having had several cracked ribs, and a broken nose without any way to get help (beyond imediate medical). Having a group of 20+ people giving you a group kicking (on the six or seven occations that happened to me, I recieved numberous bruises and on two occations cracked ribs) and not being able to get even one of them more then a light telling off.
And people wonder why some kids suicide and some do a columbine.
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KennyR wrote:
Sorry Eyso, come back to this thread when you've got a clue. What you're writing has the echo of "ivory tower" all over it.
sorry, but this is no argument.
I know way too much about different interpretations and the conflicts these causes, so I see the neccesity of an absolute rule.
Since you also claimed you do not participate in social activities whatsoever in your CV threads, and I am actually participating in more than one, for instance scouting, I think YOU are the one who's in the 'ivory tower' and that you have no clue about how to deal with conflicts within a group. You are just having an impulsive reaction on this case.
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Speel, what in the name of the Toronto Skydome are you going on about?
Social activities have nought to do with this. This thread is about SCHOOLS. Whether or not KennyR is less sociable than you has nothing to do with what this debate is about. If KennyR didn't go to school, then your 'Ivory Tower' comment might have some credibility.
As for dealing with conflicts in a group, it looks like you are the one who has no idea how to deal with such things. If we tried problem solving as described in your posts, we'd be practically waving goodbye to freedom from criminals.
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It's not the rights of criminals that should have any importance. The emphasis should be on the rights of victims, and the rights or ordinary people not to become victims.
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I've never seen such an amount of lame non-arguments before here on Aorg, particularly from KennyR and JonoPike.
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The why don't you follow your own advice?
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As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.
wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.
Oh, and I'm 18, not 8
You're talking about your IQ?
[lynch the bugger!]
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.
wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.
Oh, and I'm 18, not 8
You're talking about your IQ?
You talk about lame offtopic arguements by me and KennyR when you are trying to divert attention from your losing arguement with crap like that. :lol:
As for 'Sheep' I was being metaphorical. You are the odd one out in this thread - and you haven't exactly done a grade A job of keeping your cool under pressure. :-P
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my mother was a teacher for a LOOOONG time.
Teachers do not want to be police. the good ones want to teach.
the problem is that some kids have problems that cannot be solved by school, teachers and sometimes even their parents (assuming they even care).
the right thing to do is take these kids and place them in therapy (or whatever we may create to cope with their issues).
alot of people shouldn't be parents because they simply have no interest (or skills) in raising children. children need security and direction. if they don't get that during the earliest years (even before school starts), things will simply get worse when they are in school.
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Yeah, sure, in this particular case it's no big deal. But if you allow this kind of treatment other teachers will only take it further. Eventually you'll have cases where kids will get injured. It's hard to enforce a rule where it's okay to use only a drop of soap, and no more. It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.
- Mike
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cecilia wrote:
my mother was a teacher for a LOOOONG time.
Teachers do not want to be police. the good ones want to teach.
I agree, though I think teachers would be more comfortable with their role if they felt that their school/media/law was more on their side.
the problem is that some kids have problems that cannot be solved by school, teachers and sometimes even their parents (assuming they even care).
the right thing to do is take these kids and place them in therapy (or whatever we may create to cope with their issues).
Again, horses for courses. This sort of thing will work with some kids.
alot of people shouldn't be parents because they simply have no interest (or skills) in raising children. children need security and direction.
Yep, totally agree.
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JonoPike wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
As it stands, you are the black sheep of the flock who posted in the thread.
wrong, other than the others, I am no sheep.
Oh, and I'm 18, not 8
You're talking about your IQ?
You talk about lame offtopic arguements by me and KennyR when you are trying to divert attention from your losing arguement with crap like that. :lol:
As for 'Sheep' I was being metaphorical. You are the odd one out in this thread - and you haven't exactly done a grade A job of keeping your cool under pressure. :-P
hmmmmmmmmm.... kebab....
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Glaucus wrote:
Yeah, sure, in this particular case it's no big deal. But if you allow this kind of treatment other teachers will only take it further. Eventually you'll have cases where kids will get injured. It's hard to enforce a rule where it's okay to use only a drop of soap, and no more. It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.
- Mike
Exactly my point
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Soap is quite slippery too.
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Glaucus wrote:
It's either all or nothing. If you allow her to use one drop, what happens when the next teacher decides to empty the entire soap dispenser in a kids mouth? It's a slippery slope, best to stay off it completely.
Oh come on Mike, isn't that a little alarmist? Parents who spank for instance don't suddenly beat their children to death. Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross, and one drop of liquid soap in the mouth of some loudmouthed f*ckwit assh*le student isn't crossing it, IMO.
Soap on the anus...that would be crossing it. But you have to join the army for that kind of treatment.
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Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross
That's one of my points. People do not know that. That's why humanity invented law.
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Ah Speel, but your line is "don't do a f*cking thing to those students or you're fired and your teaching days are over." That's not any realistic line, although the law shares your view, which is why there aren't many teachers left, and less by the year.
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No, my line is "keep yer claws off each other".
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross
That's one of my points. People do not know that. That's why humanity invented law.
It's also a reason why there are multiple levels of punishment for crimes, because humanity has a sense of moderation.
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KennyR wrote:
Ah Speel, but your line is "don't do a f*cking thing to those students or you're fired and your teaching days are over." That's not any realistic line, although the law shares your view, which is why there aren't many teachers left, and less by the year.
Good point. The less teachers there are, the harder it is for them to maintain order, and more opportunity for the f*cktard kids to get further out of control.
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Virtually all abuse is verbal, not physical, which you should know if you ever went to school and saw this happening. So your line simply does not work. Try again.
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@JonoPike &KennyR
REVENGE!!!!
oh, the sweet revenge!
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mikeymike wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross
That's one of my points. People do not know that. That's why humanity invented law.
It's also a reason why there are multiple levels of punishment for crimes, because humanity has a sense of moderation.
Yes, and only in there lies the justice towards this teacher. Undoubtly, in this case it's judgement is mild.
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No Speel, preventing injustice, not revenge. Revenge only comes later when a person's been abused and eventually cracks.
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I spent countless years listening to my mother return from work explaining how the "board of ed" makes it difficult for teachers to do their job - which, btw, is Teaching.
at every turn the burocrates who Don't understand simple things like having enough books, enough desks (i'm not kidding), not TOO many students in a class, having enough chalk (!), etc etc etc, that would help teachers are more important than doing things that hinder the whole learning process.
putting teachers in an adversarial position with regard to parents is counterproductive.no one wins there. least of all the kids and ultimately, society.
the people that suck at teaching always get "pushed up" to executive positions. they are clueless when it comes to encouraging programs that actually help teachers.
the whole system is messed up.
and this is SERIOUS because the most important thing any society can do is educate it's next generation. do that and you solve alot of future problems. drop the ball and it comes back to bite you in the a.s.s later!
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Tell me then, where is the justice for the teacher? Imagine it from a teachers point of view. If you lose your job/get sued by the parents of the f*cktard(s) that gave you the abuse, just for defending yourself, where is justice? Its a human instinct to defend yourself against someone who is aggressive.
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She wasn't assaulted, not in a physical way nor in a mental way.
The kid could as well set in the corner for an hour as punishment.
as I said earlier, if one's attacked physically, it's perfectly legal to defend yourself with violence.
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cecilia wrote:
the whole system is messed up.
nononono
that's called 'efficiency'
(my ass)
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Sit for an hour in the corner as punishment
What good is that going to do :lol: Sitting in isolation will only make the kid more detached from the teacher and other students, thus increasing distrust betwwen them. This will probablly make the kid more unruly.
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JonoPike wrote:
What good is that going to do :lol: Sitting in isolation will only make the kid more detached from the teacher and other students, thus increasing distrust betwwen them. This will probablly make the kid more unruly.
And here you are at a point where you have no experience AT ALL and where I do have the experience to tell you that what you are saying now is bollocks.
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Hmm, but are you referring to leading Scouts? Scouts is different from school, because Scouts is voluntary. School is compulsory.
Sure, if a kid is forced to sit in the corner for an hour away from things and people they want to be with - it would work.
But in a school, where the kid probablly has a lot of dislike for their teacher and/or other kids and work, they would relish being away from stuff they don't like.
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JonoPike wrote:
Hmm, but are you referring to leading Scouts? Scouts is different from school, because Scouts is voluntary. School is compulsory.
[doomy mode]
you have no idea what you're talking about
[/doomy mode]
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JonoPike is becoming quite a "mastur debator" ;-)
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Oh come on Mike, isn't that a little alarmist? Parents who spank for instance don't suddenly beat their children to death. Everyone knows there's a line you can't cross, and one drop of liquid soap in the mouth of some loudmouthed f*ckwit assh*le student isn't crossing it, IMO.
Ah, but we do see some parents bashing the crap out of their kids. It's a very hard line to draw. I never said that all teachers who use a drop of soap will go overboard, just that not all teachers will realize where the line is. And what happens if the kid continues to swear, do we escalate to two drops, then three? Same goes with parents and corporal punishment. Many of those who cause severe bodily harm to kids don't seem to understand why what they're doing is so bad.
Also, this form of punishment is rahter stupid. How do we know the kid doesn't have ADHD? That's not the right way to handle such a case. What if the kid is abused or neglected at home? This sort of treatment only re-enforces another negative self image for the kid. These kinds of treatments should be considered as nothing more then a quick fix with short term results. It's pretty much a guarantee that the kid will swear again.
I still believe that positive re-enforcement is the answer.
- Mike
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Reading some of your replies, some of you guys act as if the kid attempted to kill a fellow student! I remember in grade school we'd use nasty words all the time. None of us got soap in our mouths, and hey, we didn't turn out to be mass murderers or anything.
- Mike
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I heard from a relative in NY that the term used by the kid against the little girl was "Shut the f*ck up you stupid c*msucking sl*t"
In my time, that would have meant expulsion for the kid, yikes!
[edit- and the parents of the kid probably would have done more than wash his MOUTH out with soap!!!]
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seems like a borderline case to me
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
seems like a borderline case to me
heh, at least it was his mouth!
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd? :inquisitive:
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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd? :inquisitive:
Umm... Why would anyone want to do that? :-?
Unless they're perverted.
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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd? :inquisitive:
More than a little weird.
Though there have been quacks over the centuries who have said an enema a day has wonderful bodily benefits.
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T_Bone wrote:
I could never understand how some parents give their kids enema's as punishment. Is it just me, or is that a little wierd? :inquisitive:
yes. very weird!
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KennyR wrote:
I don't want to sound like an old conservative here, but I wish teachers would do that more often. :)
And soap isn't poisonous, not is it physical or sexual assault...nor is it prolonged psychological assault...so I don't see any basis for the suspension. Apart from typical lawsuitism. (to coin a phrase)
Agreed! It isn't entirely politically correct, but that kid seems to have deserved it! :-)
BTW, who are the sick freaks who gives enemas as punishment? :-x
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
She wasn't assaulted, not in a physical way nor in a mental way.
The kid could as well set in the corner for an hour as punishment.
as I said earlier, if one's attacked physically, it's perfectly legal to defend yourself with violence.
I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife. The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.
The following day the teacher was promptly fired.
I don't know how it is in Europe, but in Michigan and Illinois, you cannot touch a child no matter what.
The school systems here have made that a provision to protect themselves from countless lawsuits and threats of lawsuits from inadequate parents who continually want teachers to raise their kids for them, and at the same time never believe that their child could ever do anything wrong no matter what.
This is the country that is also currently having a lawsuit against a school by the salutatorian who felt she should have been valedictorian and that it was unfair.
If you don't live in a lawsuit-happy country you're lacking a bit of perspective on the issue when it comes to American schools.
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Wain wrote:
I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife. The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.
The following day the teacher was promptly fired.
:-o Now THAT is utterly wrong.
If one's violating the law (with threatening with a knife)
you're OBLIGATED to do alike what the teacher did, or something alike, if you can.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Wain wrote:
I Would just like to point out that at my high school, a gym teacher/wrestling coach was threatened by a student who was wielding a knife. The coach took the student to the ground, and placed him in a hold until security arrived. The coach never struck the student or used any aggressive behavior.
The following day the teacher was promptly fired.
:-o Now THAT is utterly wrong.
If one's violating the law (with threatening with a knife)
you're OBLIGATED to do alike what the teacher did, or something alike, if you can.
I agree. The teacher did the right thing in that situation because to be honest, his life was at stake. BTW Speel, do you have a life away from this site? It's like you're posting every minute of evry day on these forums and i've only posted a few times in the last couple of weeks. :lol: