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From the Drudge...
"Hollywood sources tell LA Weekly columnist Nikki Finke that former President Ronald Reagan's medical condition has suddenly worsened. "He really took a downslide today," the insider told Finke Friday evening. "Doctors are at the house. Things aren't good." At the start of the day, several news organizations chased down a rumor that the ex-president had died, but it wasn't true... Family members gathered at the Reagan's Bel Air home late Friday... Developing... "
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:-(
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@ T-Bone,
What an awfull way to go.
May he be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows he's missing.
Chris
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Update...
drudge clickthru (http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=USATODAY.com+-+Source%3A+President+Reagan%27s+health+takes+turn+for+worse&expire=&urlID=10648166&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fnews%2Fwashington%2F2004-06-05-reagan_x.htm&partnerID=1660)
:bigcry: :-(
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040605/capt.ny11206051309.reagan_health_ny112.jpg)
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Alzheimer is not an easy condition to live with. and i'm talking about people in Nancy's position.
my brothers' mother-in-law had it and died some years ago.
and his father-in-law had a hard time of it. what a brave man.
and bush doesn't believe in stem-cell research..... :admonish:
yeah, well, it's easy for him to say. he has no mind to lose.
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Heck 93 is a mighty age, it's always sad when people are on the brink of the end of their existance :-(.
Alzheimer especially is a saddening way to go.
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Damn. What an undignified way to go for a man with such dignity.
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@ cecilia,
1) Bush does not approve of federal funding for this. This is not the same as making it illegal.
2) Quote "yeah, well, it's easy for him to say. he has no mind to lose.
I am happy to see that you follow the left agenda of Tolerance.
Chris
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QuikSanz wrote:
@ cecilia,
1) Bush does not approve of federal funding for this. This is not the same as making it illegal.
2) Quote "yeah, well, it's easy for him to say. he has no mind to lose.
I am happy to see that you follow the left agenda of Tolerance.
Chris
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040605/480/ny11306051311 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040605/480/ny11306051311)
reagan is dead.
and I'm intolerant of morons. sorry if that makes you upset.
but bush is into his religious agenda and thinks his invisible friend told him to be against stem cell research. no one will ever call bush "The Great Communicator"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121883,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121883,00.html)
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@ cecilia,
" I'm intolerant of morons. sorry if that makes you upset."
I feel kind of the same thing about John F.. Kerry.
Chris
PS: I knew that he was gone. Hence my first post on this thread. Speed up.
Chris
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re: Regan is dead
I'm speechless :bigcry:
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QuikSanz wrote:
PS: I knew that he was gone. Hence my first post on this thread. Speed up.
Perhaps you'll be so rude to T_Bone, who almost an hour after your first post linked to a news item that makes no mention of him actually dying? Thought not.
Well, I'm sad that some old guy died. But then, that happens every day.
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@ TPG,
Not being rude. I live close and know how the media works here. When you hear something put this way, there is something wrong, very wrong.
Chris
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Hoya!
Alzheimer sucks.
Seems my beloved grand-mother has it, too...
Anyway, 93 is not that bad an age to die, especially when you have been President of the United States twice...
M A D
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Reagan kicked arse. He was the American version of Maggie :-)
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Don't you know not to speak ill of the dead? ;-)
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Grieving achieves nothing, so might aswell compliment the victorious dead :-D
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I like Reagan, IMHO I think he was the best president the USA had in the last 20 years.
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that_punk_guy wrote:
Well, I'm sad that some old guy died. But then, that happens every day.
EXACTLY my thoughts.
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Venkman wrote:
I like Reagan, IMHO I think he was the best president the USA had in the last 20 years.
I think his popularity had a lot to do with the fact that the US economy just happened to be doing really well in the 80's, especially compared to the 70's. When things are good, everyone loves their leader. I believe a true test of a leader's abilities is when times are rough.
Anyway, here's an interesting article about Reagan on Slate:
What Reagan Got Wrong
Liberty is not the absence of government. (http://slate.msn.com/id/2101835/)
- Mike
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The best thing about Reagan was his humor.
Political leaders today is booooring.
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@Dan
50k deaths in Iraq
:roflmao:
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@Dan
50k deaths in Iraq
:roflmao:
what are you talking about???? :-?
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I live in Sterling, Illinois which is right between Tampico and Dixon (15 miles either way).. Reagan was born in Tampico, IL and raised in Dixon. In 1980 during his campaign, he came to the Rock Falls (sister city of Sterling) airport to visit his 'neighborhood'. I was 1 year old in 1980 though.
-Jamie
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Dan wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@Dan
50k deaths in Iraq
:roflmao:
what are you talking about???? :-?
recent political issue = Iraq, where 50.000 ppl were killed in the most recent war.
politician humor = " :roflmao: "
what I wanted to show you is that I do not think politicians should be humorous, because it is utterly unappropriate by most of the political issues.
Besides that, humour is often used in politics to avoid harsh questions.
gee, I thought speeltalk was quite logic. Or it is that ppl do not want to think twice about what's written.
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redrumloa wrote:
re: Regan is dead
But he could still beat Bush for the Repulican candidate if someone would nominate him.
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FluffyMcDeath wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
re: Regan is dead
But he could still beat Bush for the Repulican candidate if someone would nominate him.
That he could :-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Dan wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
@Dan
50k deaths in Iraq
:roflmao:
what are you talking about???? :-?
recent political issue = Iraq, where 50.000 ppl were killed in the most recent war.
politician humor = " :roflmao: "
what I wanted to show you is that I do not think politicians should be humorous, because it is utterly unappropriate by most of the political issues.
Besides that, humour is often used in politics to avoid harsh questions.
gee, I thought speeltalk was quite logic. Or it is that ppl do not want to think twice about what's written.
I don´t understand you??? It´s often humorless people that start wars/fights because they have no selfdistance and lacks perspective.
My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
After that nobody belived he was ever going to "push the button".
Other Reagan quotes:
I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting.
Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.
"They say hard work never hurt anybody, but I figure why take the chance."
March 30, 1981 (to surgeons as he entered the operating room following his assassination attempt)
"I hope you're all Republicans."
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FluffyMcDeath wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
re: Regan is dead
But he could still beat Bush for the Repulican candidate if someone would nominate him.
Without a doubt. He was a great president.
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Breaks my heart.
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T_Bone wrote:
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040607/capt.sge.ceq43.070604210645.photo00.default-266x380.jpg)
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Breaks my heart.
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Venkman wrote:
I like Reagan, IMHO I think he was the best president the USA had in the last 20 years.
Ronald Reagan was the best President of the USA since Calvin Coolidge. Coolidge was great because he did nothing. Reagan was great because he was good. He deregulated many agencies, helped slow the devaluation of the dollar, and pissed off the leftist (liberals).
Pretty good in my book.
If he had been aware of the left-wing style power-grab that the Bush administration is doing (the so-called "Patriot Act"), he would be absolutly livid!
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My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
March 30, 1981 (to surgeons as he entered the operating room following his assassination attempt)
"I hope you're all Republicans."
:lol:
That's really sums up the man, what a great sense of humor. What a great president, what a great person.
The US needs another Ronnie :-(
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The US needs another Ronnie
nah, america needs another George Washington!
at least ronnie could talk and write in coherent sentences. something that can't be said of the monkey in the white house, now!
:-(
Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company.
George Washington
The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
George Washington (1732 - 1799)
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George was a good guy.
"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."
George Washington
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
"When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."
George Washington
"A free people ought...to be armed..."
--George Washington
I never mean, unless some particular circumstances should compel it, to possess another slave by purchase, it being among my first wishes to see some plan adopted, by which slavery in this country may be abolished by law.
--George Washington
'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.
George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796
"Can you then consent to be the only sufferers by this revolution, and retiring from the field, grow old in poverty, wretchedness and contempt? Can you consent to wade through the vile mire of dependency, and owe the miserable remnant of that life to charity, which has hitherto been spent in honor? If you can — GO — and carry with you the jest of tories and scorn of whigs — the ridicule, and what is worse, the pity of the world. Go, starve, and be forgotten!"
George Washington
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In the 19th century, here in NL, an association called "ANWB" (an association for travelling ppl) recommended ppl to have a weapon with them while they're travelling.
Thank goodness we're civilized now.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
In the 19th century, here in NL, an association called "ANWB" (an association for travelling ppl) recommended ppl to have a weapon with them while they're travelling.
Thank goodness we're civilized now.
You stopped traveling? What's wrong with travelling? ;-)
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T_Bone wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
In the 19th century, here in NL, an association called "ANWB" (an association for travelling ppl) recommended ppl to have a weapon with them while they're travelling.
Thank goodness we're civilized now.
You stopped traveling? What's wrong with travelling? ;-)
Syntax error:
main subject of sentence is carrying weapons while you're travelling, not just travelling
smartass ;-)
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how interesting that some see the penultimate of being american as having a gun.
strange, i see it as
getting an education - as much as your intellect can handle - dispite the sex of your body.
chosing your career no matter the sex of your body.
not being forced to marry or have children.
speaking your mind without fear of gov squelching you.
going anywhere you wish, and no one can stop you.
reading any book, listening to any music/radio show, any film, etc, etc.
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
George Washington (1732 - 1799)
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cecilia wrote:
how interesting that some see the penultimate of being american as having a gun.
strange, i see it as
getting an education - as much as your intellect can handle - dispite the sex of your body.
chosing your career no matter the sex of your body.
not being forced to marry or have children.
speaking your mind without fear of gov squelching you.
going anywhere you wish, and no one can stop you.
reading any book, listening to any music/radio show, any film, etc, etc.
I see all those things... in addition to being able to have a gun ;-)
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I see all those things... in addition to being able to have a gun
maybe......it's just odd that having a gun is not only the FIRST thing mentioned, but the ONLY!
anyway, i just came across this statement by Ron Reagan Jr.
http://democrats.com/view.cfm?id=13544 (http://democrats.com/view.cfm?id=13544)
some comments:
Reagan took a swipe at Bush during the 2000 GOP convention in Philadelphia, which featured a tribute to his father, telling the Washington Post's Lloyd Grove, "The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?"
:lol:
"My father had decades of experience in public life. He was president of his union, he campaigned for presidential candidates, he served two terms as governor of California -- and that was not a ceremonial office as it is in Texas. And he had already run for president, against Ford in '76, nearly unseating the sitting president in his own party. He knew where he was coming from, he had spent years thinking and speaking about his views. He didn't have to ask Dick Cheney what he thought.
Reagan says his family feels particularly alienated from the Republican Party over its opposition to embryonic stem cell research, which could have significant benefit for Alzheimer patients like his father. "Now ignorance is one thing, ignorance can be cured. But many of the Republican leaders opposing this research know better, people like [Senate Majority Leader] Bill Frist, who's a doctor, for God's sake. People like him are blocking it to pander to the 20 percent of their base who are mouth-breathers. And that's unconscionable -- there are lives at stake here. Stem cell research can revolutionize medicine, more than anything since antibiotics."
"And they told us, 'Don't worry about W. not knowing anything, good old Dick Cheney will be his minder.' Dick Cheney? And this was going to be compassionate conservatism? Dick Cheney is to the right of Genghis Khan, he wants to drill in your backyard, he wants to deny black people their rights --it was all there in his voting record for us to see. What were we, rubes?"
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@ Cecilia
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
George Washington (1732 - 1799)"
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I can't believe you historians are going to let Cecilia get away with attributing this quote to George Washington!
And no, it wasn't Thomas Jefferson or John Adams either.
Think "Treaty with Tripoli."
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I found alot of cool quotes here (http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/founders.htm)
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!" - John Adams
(I LOVE this one)
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." -- Thomas Jefferson (letter to J. Adams April 11,1823)
James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
the Separation of Church and State (http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/buckner_tripoli.html)
"And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." - James Madison in a letter to Edward Livingston, 10 July 1822
http://earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html (http://earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html)
the "Founding Fathers" seemed to understand that if your country didn't actively support one religion over another, maybe one's neighbors wouldn't feel threatened.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=5 (http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=5)
" Eaton's official correspondence during his service confirms that the conflict was a Muslim war against a Christian America.
For example, when writing to Secretary of State Timothy Pickering, Eaton apprised him of why the Muslims would be such dedicated foes:
Taught by revelation that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls, and finding so great secular advantages in the observance of this religious duty [the secular advantage of keeping captured cargoes], their [the Muslims?] inducements to desperate fighting are very powerful."
So they made a treaty that said, hey, we aren't a radbid christian country, we don't hate you! lay off!
If only Bush had as much sense. but that's asking too much i guess. :-(
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Can we quit the Reagan propaganda right NOW?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Can we quit the Reagan propaganda right NOW?
You haven't seen the anything yet! Now that he's gone, it'll get worse! ;-)
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Can we quit the Reagan propaganda right NOW?
actually, I'd like to start (or re-start) an appreciation of the greatest president america had - George Washingtom.
People actually LOVED him. I think those of us alive (some barely) now can't quite understand how much he was loved.
and what made it easy was the indisputibale fact that he had NO interest in being worshipped.
they wanted to make him KING, and he said, no thanks.
after doing his political DUTY, he only wanted to live quietly on his farm.
he helped create this country. and was humble about it.
it's people like that, that really deserve respect.
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cecilia wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Can we quit the Reagan propaganda right NOW?
actually, I'd like to start (or re-start) an appreciation of the greatest president america had - George Washingtom.
People actually LOVED him. I think those of us alive (some barely) now can't quite understand how much he was loved.
and what made it easy was the indisputibale fact that he had NO interest in being worshipped.
they wanted to make him KING, and he said, no thanks.
after doing his political DUTY, he only wanted to live quietly on his farm.
he helped create this country. and was humble about it.
it's people like that, that really deserve respect.
In the beginning, this was true, things changed after a few years in office. A great many people felt he was a puppet of Hamilton, in fact, that's why Thomas Jefferson resigned.
Even good 'ole George Washington was involved in good old drama, just like today's presidents. ;-)
http://www.whiskeyrebellion.org/rebell.htm
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cartoon (http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/deepfriedweekly.html)