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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: blobrana on May 17, 2004, 04:34:28 PM
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Hum,
i`ve just downloaded Sp2 (beta) and media player 10...
Quite a big download though...
Windows Media Player 10 beta, build 9.00.00.3409 from here (http://filez.tcmagazine.net/microsoft/mp/Windows_Media_Player_9.0.0.3409XP.rar)
And
http://www.oranges.ru/files/only/Windows.Media.Player.10.Build.3409(www.oranges.ru).rar
AND...
The sp2 setup file (1,211kb) for the 270Mb download...
Xp sp2 beta download (http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/a/f/5aff45ae-ef27-4821-b666-d2b6530cbe4f/xpsp2.exe)
[And the player doesn`t look that good even...if it ever did...]
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Well running SP2 is something I might recommend to people considering the security changes in it (IE6 is quite pleasant now :)
But running every Microsoft beta available is asking for trouble.. :)
Neko
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Hum,
yea...
running `microsoft` is asking for trouble...
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But running every Microsoft beta available is asking for trouble.. :)
Actually, I ran Windows 2000 RC2 for over a year. I never han any problems...
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I've been running Windows 2000 since beta 1.
But then I was on a specially created deployment program which brought about the first publically used Windows 2000 service in the UK, and the largest in the world (for about a week :)
If there's one thing you learn in coding and testing software, it's never mix and match your beta software. Seriously.
Neko
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Just wonderin' don't we think this a bit how shall I say it....iffy
When amiga users moan that Piracy of amiga software is a sin yet putting urls of windows sp betas which are subject to an NDA is ok....hmmmm a ikle bit smellin' of hypocracy.
Eat me for breakfast. :)
Shaz
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I don't know if this is the same one, but Microsoft does offer SP2 for public preview - I'm running it at home. I don't have a URL handy, but I downloaded it directly from their site, without any special access.
Edit: Yeah, I looked at the URL - it's directly from Microsoft. Now, that WMP10 might be a bit more sketchy, I dunno, I know it's not part of SP2 right now.
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Bother...
Hum,
i didn`t think of that....
Though, i know that M$ is going to make available the upgrade to pirated versions of XP ; (To cut down on the amount of spam and viruses spread by unprotected machines...)
And perhaps by downloading (and testing) this patch the world will just be that little bit safer.... ;) (or not?)
[i`ll remove it if anyone wants me too]
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The second WMP link gives me a 404 anyway.
And for confirmation, here's Microsoft's page with SP2 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/sp2preview.mspx).
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blobrana wrote:
Though, i know that M$ is going to make available the upgrade to pirated versions of XP ; (To cut down on the amount of spam and viruses spread by unprotected machines...)
This is incorrect, as far as I know... Yes, they did announce that pirated versions of XP wouldnt be hindered to install SP2, in order to increase safety... However, the day after they said that they would not offer it to pirated versions... They said that this would be a sign that they endorsed pirating, and this was all wrong, so they´re going "SP1" on the pirates...
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@Boudicca
Aaah! but is it piracy to link to a no cost software patch that is freely available from the vendors own website ?
Now if it was a link to a dodgy copy of office XP, that would be piracy, but this is just a preview and not really in the same category IMHO. :-)
From MS website:
Get the release candidate of Windows XP SP2 Now (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.mspx)
Theres only one way to really secure Windows anyway: http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/windows.htm (http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/windows.htm) :lol: :-D
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just remember this when it comes to dealing with microborg:
MS Buys Evil (http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html) :lol:
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Hum,
i`ve just had to remove that `update` completely....(and i almost didn`t manage....)
That (build 2096) looks ok on paper, but my machine just crawled along and won`t boot or close down properly.
And the display scramb;les up every so often (directX 9.0c ?)...
(i had to use the Force to reboot...)
media player 10 seems ok though, (hasn`t crashed , and has added a few extras), looks like that`ll stay.
My `Wreckamendations` are don`t bother with this SP2 build...
(http://aunimages.animfactory.com/banners/dynamic_afcharacter.gif)
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blobrana wrote:
Hum,
i`ve just had to remove that `update` completely....(and i almost didn`t manage....)
That (build 2096) looks ok on paper, but my machine just crawled along and won`t boot or close down properly.
And the display scramb;les up every so often (directX 9.0c ?)...
(i had to use the Force to reboot...)
media player 10 seems ok though, (hasn`t crashed , and has added a few extras), looks like that`ll stay.
My `Wreckamendations` are don`t bother with this SP2 build...
(http://aunimages.animfactory.com/banners/dynamic_afcharacter.gif)
Hm, that's weird, I'm running SP2, and I've not had any problems with it (well, I did have one minor problem where I had a custom bootscreen kernel set as the default and was getting weird ntfs.drv errors, but that was fixed as soon as I edited boot.ini, and was my fault since the install informed me that I had to boot with an unmodified kernel). I quite like the upgraded firewall, it now auto-blocks new software on the first net access, giving you a dialog allowing you to immediately unblock, or keep it blocked. I've not really noticed any stability or performance issues as compared to SP1, for me SP2 seems rock-solid so far.
And to think a year ago I said I'd not run XP... =P
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If you're REALLY paranoid about security, just run Linux/Firefox like I do, and install the official Java2, which is loads better than the MS Virtual Machine. Solid as a rock. Don't be too quick to rat on Windows for Blue Screens. My dad just downloaded the latest nVidia Detonator drivers, and it was crash city! The older drivers are much better. My ATI drivers are awesome.
Outlook Express hasn't given me any virus trouble, so long as you have ActiveX and VB scripting turned off in IE6. I don't like that IE and OE have unified security, but I rarely use IE for browsing, anymore. Just watch out for 3rd party virus scanners. Some of them do some nasty hacks to get into your mailbox, and Norton destroyed my Inbox once (multiple accounts of this happening from different people). I eventually disabled e-mail scanning, and all seems fine.
My only gripe is the machine boots up in 20 seconds flat, but takes 1-4 minutes to shut down. Yay for NT! :-)
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@ Waccoon
Hum, you could try disabling the restore feature (just switch on again when you need to make a checkpoint) and you may find that it shuts down just that bit quicker...
[i just switch it on when i install new software...]
And on topic...The Windows XP Service Pack 2 Build 2142 (xpsp.040528-0019) has been released (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2chngs.mspx) (with update V5)
It will install on any copy as long as you dont got the most common pirated keys..
HOWEVER, when it restarts it checks against the online database if your key is actually valid (Meaning key gens wont work).
So much for M$ ,and Windows Update V5 , looks like they are shutting the door for most pirates...
This means if you just happen to have an invalid serial the windows activation window will pop in and force you to register without the ability to log in to windows.
(hum, no problem here ;) apart from the rubbish OS)
(http://mysite.freeserve.com/blobrana/nmonth/clickhere.gif) Download (http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/xpsp2_en_b0db8a416674bc414432fc7811d87cd9fc215dbf.exe)
( 270 Mb)
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Works good for me, downloaded fairly quickly. Kinda like WMP 10, not bad overall.
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Hehe,
and now you`ll have to download it all again...
Windows XP SP2 RC2, build number 2149, is now available for download from WindowsBeta(you up!) (http://windowsbeta.microsoft.com/) :-)
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So when will the final version be released? :)
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"When it is ready" :-)
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Hum,
is a windozes OS ever ready?
RC2 build number >2155 is supposed to be released in July, but the word on the street is that there may actually be a Release Candidate 3 shortly after that (to fix the RC2 bugs?)
But this release (sry, open to beta testers only now) seems fairly stable (in a sort of win95 way)
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is a windozes OS ever ready?
Given that Windows NTx (as in NT4, 2000, XP, 2003, and later) evolves through service packs in the same way that Mac OS X and every UNIX variant does, and they are all arguably as good as each other overall (each with its own advantages over the others), I think you're being a tad biassed to the point of pure MS-bashing.
But this release (sry, open to beta testers only now) seems fairly stable (in a sort of win95 way)
Considering it's a public beta test, you're once again being biassed in your implication that it is somehow 'secret'. I don't know anyone whose opinion I trust regarding Windows who is trying the XP SP2 beta, but the general opinion I have heard is that it does good things for WinXP.
I personally prefer Windows 2000 to XP, I think it is a more mature product. My parents' machine has XP on it as the Luna GUI is better for their aging eyes than any scheme I could contrive using previous versions of Windows.
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(http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/strange/funeral-home.jpg)
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The sp2 setup file (1,211kb) for the 270Mb download...
Who said windows was bloated :crazy:
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How much do you have to download for a typical WinXP box though? Consider that the full service pack size will include stuff that you don't have on your system, and the 'express download' will only download what is needed.
For example, on a typical Win2k Pro workstation, going up a service pack usually results in a 20MB download. Usually Win2k service packs are ~100MB in size if you don't want to do an express download.
I've heard extremely varying figures for the total size of XP SP2. I've heard 270MB, but I've also heard as low as 40MB.
WinXP doesn't have Server versions that the service packs need to cater for, but there is the Home and Pro version, which mainly differs wrt Windows filesharing/domain services.
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I've heard extremely varying figures for the total size of XP SP2. I've heard 270MB, but I've also heard as low as 40MB.
I'd doubt the 40MB holds true, given that SP1 was over 100mb. Over 200mb sounds about right given that SP1 may be included. perhaps there may be a choice of 2 downloads, with and without updates from SP1 for people who already have it, no idea though
Either way, it's a huge d/l and no fun what so ever for people on dialup.
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Microsoft provide two versions, an Express and a Network version. The Express version d/l's a small program which connects to internet and only downloads the updates required (which may vary from 20-200M). The Network version is the Full Service Pack, and is useful when deploying it to multiple computers.
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Either way, it's a huge d/l and no fun what so ever for people on dialup.
True, but service packs are available on computer cover CDs. Plus, my business benefits from doing customers favours in this respect :-)
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Hum,
It`s actually only ~264 Mb ;) (about 12 hours on me dial up)
Windows XP SP2 RC2 2149 English (http://download.microsoft.com/download/C/1/6/C169BA60-E2D6-4C5F-B4F2-23DA024C9FA8/xpSP2.exe )
Windows XP SP2 RC2 2149 German (http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/2/D/D2D702D4-7C83-46DE-BCBC-78FC69BB462D/xpSP2.exe )
Express Install (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2wuins.mspx )
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Hum,
So it looks like SP2 (and updateV5) is aimed at security and the prevention of illegal copies of xp...
The pirates are prevented from obtaining patches from Windows Update...
And as mentioned before, this means that they will be left vulnerable and could contribute to virus/worm attacks which, in the end, will also affect the legitimate customers...
The solution at the moment seems to be AutoPatcher XP 4.5 (http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/12/2/12-2-139.shtml) (April Update)...
Or perhaps it`s time for them to realise how stupid and rubbish the xp platform is and move onto linux...
(or dare i say A0s?)
[Disclaimer - i don`t know what i`m doing]
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blobrana wrote:
So it looks like SP2 (and updateV5) is aimed at security and the prevention of illegal copies of xp...
SP1 does that on vertain OEM codes too.
I had downloaded the full SP1 update when I was on dial-up so I didn't need to net-install it everytime I had to re-install WinXP. I went round to a mate's house on Weds night and ran the updater. After a few minutes it came up with the exclamation box with a load of useless stuff written in it along with the "this service pack will not be installed due to you using an illegal copy of Windows XP" or something like that.
The strange thing is, I've installed that update on quite a few illegal XP copies with no bother at all.
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Hum,
The Installation package of the final version (2180) of Service Pack 2 has just been released to the beta testers on the Windows Beta Website (http://windowsbeta.microsoft.com/) and is available in for download now.
Er, but, unless you're a beta tester, you're gonna have to wait.
The file name is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe, and the self extracting compressed file weighs at 266.01 MB.
The one thing that struck me was that apparently, pirated Keys appear to be working!
Update: Windows XP SP2 ships to manufacturing.
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blobrana wrote:
The one thing that struck me was that apparently, pirated Keys appear to be working!
Sorry, but :lol:
There's always a way round it anyway. If not, the hackers will soon see that there is.
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Vincent wrote:
blobrana wrote:
The one thing that struck me was that apparently, pirated Keys appear to be working!
Sorry, but :lol:
There's always a way round it anyway. If not, the hackers will soon see that there is.
I had a friend of mine install XP pro on his spare system and use a pirate key. It works with one problem. Windows update is broken with it. To test and see if this was the case he did a rollback of a day and the SP2 was gone. Windows update worked again. Install the SP2 and its broke again. Good way to knock out the pirates I say! Gives the impression all is okay untill you need to get the must have fixes as they come in.
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Hum,
as far as updates go you can just go to this page to get the latests updates?
See! (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx?sortCriteria=date&OSID=&productID=4C937A02-BAE0-4317-A1A9-0C56CD979D05&CategoryID=&freetext=&DisplayLang=en&DisplayEnglishAlso=)
(with, say , mozilla)
(i uses this myself, as it avoids M$ from scanning my system...)
Hum,try it yourself , XP2 (final) download link here... (http://dllishui.pchome.net/system/patch/xpsp2_RTM_ENU.exe)
(or just wait for the free cd...)
update
hum, that link now dead...
But you can read how Microsoft will eke out Windows XP SP2
here (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17722)
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Hum,
a few things i noticed ...
The number of connections is limited with the standard default settings!
(Only important if you’re using things like emule and need multiple connections)...
But a quick search of the registry solved the problem...
So here`s my first SP2 reg hack!
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services
TcpNumConnections
Key: Tcpip\Parameters
Value Type: REG_DWORD - Number
Valid Range: 0 - 0xfffffe
Default: 0xfffffe
This figure limits the maximum number of connections that TCP can have open at the same time.
@Trinity
Have you tried ibrowse2.3 ?
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