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Amigakit Hardware => A600GS & A1200NG => Topic started by: amigakit on November 15, 2023, 03:00:36 PM
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Ahead of the official release of the A600GS, welcome to the official A600GS forum. This is linked from A600GS.com
A600GS is a new Games System which also has pre-installed applications such as PPaint, OctaMED and Directory Opus.
Find our more at the official Wiki:
http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=A600GS
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How does this differ from say a A500 mini then?
Just read the Wiki page but it doesn’t give too much away…
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Its faster, comes with more RAM. Custom made frontend, with gaming in mind.
I'm sure more info will be posted soon.
How does this differ from say a A500 mini then?
Just read the Wiki page but it doesn’t give too much away…
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Leaman and the A600GS - Amiwest Show 2023
https://youtu.be/dgqALCrVuiY
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan
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Leaman and the A600GS - Amiwest Show 2023
https://youtu.be/dgqALCrVuiY
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan
Great stuff 👍🏻
So that’s what Matthew Leaman looks like 😉👍🏻
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Hi,
I was wondering if the A600GS has an audio out port? For those who will be using it as a computer, it would be handy if one could plug speaker systems directly into the unit, instead of hooking it up to an HDMI-splitter. :)
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Hi
Yes it has a 3.5mm audio out port. Hope this helps
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Thanks for the information, AmigaKit!
Yes, that helps a lot! My speakers are ready. ;D
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Forgot to ask about keyboard and mouse sharing. I have such a device (USB) that I've used to share this between a Sam Flex and a PC. Do you think this will work with the A600GS and the PC? Mouse and keyboard plugged into the adapter, then one USB-cable goes from the adapter to the PC and one to the GS. Thanks in advance for your answer. :)
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I think you could use Andy Broads excellent MKShare to use both systems from one keyboard and mouse.
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Thanks, AmigaKit, will check it out. 8)
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This looks interesting.
Would it be possible to set different partitions in the AmiBench "mode", like having System: Work: Music: and such?
Also, is it possible to load directly to AmiBench when powered on?
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Hello
AmiBench in the A600GS already has some partitions set up:
SystemV46: - this is the main AmiBench partition containing all the system files
Work: Users work partition with Sound/Music, Graphics and documents drawers
Programs: Pre-Install programs for Graphics, Sound and Utilities
You can boot direct into AmiBench instead of the games menu if you wish.
(https://www.a600gs.com/images/AmiBench_Drives.jpg)
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Will it have Amiga keyboard? or generic? Even one without a Win keys would be better. How about menus? Does it have a Magic Menu replacement or does it work with it?
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@utri007
Thanks for the questions.
We are working on a custom (optional) keyboard- this will follow after launch.
AmiBench (https://wiki.amiga.org/amibench) currently has pop up menus which are context sensitive.
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@amigakit
AmiBench in the A600GS already has some partitions set up:
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You can boot direct into AmiBench instead of the games menu if you wish.
Good! Thanks
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Custom keyboard sounds cool, please show pics of it when ready.
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A600GS? That could be done 20 years ago and do you agree or disagree?
Look Nice Machine thought and good price :)
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Probably my questions in the other thread got overlooked, so I dare to ask them again here. ;)
I suppose A600GS currently runs Amiberry 5.6.x as underlying core. Will there be an upgrade path to Amiberry 6.x which is currently in development (available as preview)?
Which leads to the next question whether the A600GS hardware is capable of running Amiberry 6.x at full speed? Upstream says the 6.x branch needs reasonably more CPU resources compared to 5.x branch.
This is rather important as staying with Amiberry 5.x also means staying with an older WinUAE core.
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A600GS? That could be done 20 years ago and do you agree or disagree?
Definitively not.
2004 were no affordable SBCs around capable of running UAE at decent speed. The first Raspberry Pi was released in 2012 (1st Amiberry release 2017). So around 2004 the most affordable way to get a decent "A600 Gaming System" probably was to buy a 2nd hand A600 and put a '020-accelerator card in.
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Any more news on the A600GS? Any videos showing games being run on it?
Cheers….
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Any more news on the A600GS? Any videos showing games being run on it?
Cheers….
Not as yet. I believe a press release will follow shortly.
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Latest work last week was on updating Personal Paint for the A600GS (news item coming this week)
AmiBench (https://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=AmiBench) has also been updated with a new Picture Datatype 46.13 introducing HAM support.
WBStartup drawer renamed to simply StartUp drawer as we are running AmiBench and not Workbench
(https://wiki.amiga.org/images/4/47/Systemv46_window.png)
Here is a sneak peak at the new PPaint update showing 1080p and 4K screenmodes available:
(https://wiki.amiga.org/images/thumb/3/30/PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png/375px-PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png) (https://wiki.amiga.org/images/3/30/PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png)
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Latest work last week was on updating Personal Paint for the A600GS (news item coming this week)
AmiBench (https://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=AmiBench) has also been updated with a new Picture Datatype 46.13 introducing HAM support.
WBStartup drawer renamed to simply StartUp drawer as we are running AmiBench and not Workbench
(https://wiki.amiga.org/images/4/47/Systemv46_window.png)
Here is a sneak peak at the new PPaint update showing 1080p and 4K screenmodes available:
(https://wiki.amiga.org/images/thumb/3/30/PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png/375px-PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png) (https://wiki.amiga.org/images/3/30/PPaint_A600GS_Screenmodes.png)
Looking good. 👍🏻
How are the Screenmodes being done? P96? Or some other way?
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Screenmodes are using a compatible CyberGraphics API - which by extension should also be P96 compatible.
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This product is now late, after announcements that it would be released in Q1 2024! No price has been mentioned either. Apart from the 9 pin joystick ports, is it any better than an A500 Mini?
My main problem with the A500 Mini is that there seems to be no Workbench system which enables files to be exported or imported. They're just closed lha files with no Internet connection. I haven't updated the firmware yet because of Pandory, but I now plan to, because there are new Pandory versions. This might enable me to run an ADF based Workbench, then save files onto blank ADFs.
As for including a new version of Personal Paint, it seems there's no proper, detailed manual for Personal Paint anywhere! This is why I've hardly used it.
In some recent graphics conversions from Internet downloads of jpeg files from my MacBook onto my Amiga A1200 using Personal Paint, I only had 128 or 256 colours available, but the original files contained about 16,800,000 colours, which is about the same as the Amiga A1200 palette! From the list of display modes in the old Personal Paint, it has no HAM modes.
I wonder how I could just convert my reduced resolution jpeg files from the Internet into IFF files that can be loaded into Deluxe Paint with its detailed manuals?
I have finally managed to find and download a manual for Deluxe Paint V, but this is in German only, which I have managed to learn from BBC courses, as well as Berlitz, Conversaphone, "Amiga Magazin" and watching lots of German TV via satellite and streaming. I'm trying to create some artwork in the HAM8 modes, but I'm having problems with my 23 PIN Video port to SCART connected TV often showing a "No signal" message when one of various graphics modes is selected. All the necessary drivers seem to be installed under Monitors, though.
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AMiNIMiga has a shared folder that is visible on PCs hence files can be exported/imported.
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This product is now late, after announcements that it would be released in Q1 2024! No price has been mentioned either. Apart from the 9 pin joystick ports, is it any better than an A500 Mini?
My main problem with the A500 Mini is that there seems to be no Workbench system which enables files to be exported or imported. They're just closed lha files with no Internet connection. I haven't updated the firmware yet because of Pandory, but I now plan to, because there are new Pandory versions. This might enable me to run an ADF based Workbench, then save files onto blank ADFs.
As for including a new version of Personal Paint, it seems there's no proper, detailed manual for Personal Paint anywhere! This is why I've hardly used it.
In some recent graphics conversions from Internet downloads of jpeg files from my MacBook onto my Amiga A1200 using Personal Paint, I only had 128 or 256 colours available, but the original files contained about 16,800,000 colours, which is about the same as the Amiga A1200 palette! From the list of display modes in the old Personal Paint, it has no HAM modes.
I wonder how I could just convert my reduced resolution jpeg files from the Internet into IFF files that can be loaded into Deluxe Paint with its detailed manuals?
I have finally managed to find and download a manual for Deluxe Paint V, but this is in German only, which I have managed to learn from BBC courses, as well as Berlitz, Conversaphone, "Amiga Magazin" and watching lots of German TV via satellite and streaming. I'm trying to create some artwork in the HAM8 modes, but I'm having problems with my 23 PIN Video port to SCART connected TV often showing a "No signal" message when one of various graphics modes is selected. All the necessary drivers seem to be installed under Monitors, though.
Amigakit are are supposed to be launching this at Kickstart02. Has Kickstart02 come and gone yet? If not then that’s when you get to see it 😉
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i saw someone mentioning browser interest. i can't find the post.
from the outside looking in (since i'm very new)
mozilla has the most complete and documented development network i've ever witnessed, if your devs are interested:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web
i've actually used some of their documentation in coding
additionally, firefox runs on many different OS. they are the development leaders in browsing tech
i'm sure they would be interested in working with you guys. it already runs on every other kind of linux in the world
lastly, there are versions of firefox that do not even run "on the box" they run in the cloud. it's called firefox portable
https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
as an aside, i prefer firefox over other browsers because they are committed to protecting privacy
just adding this post in case the DEVS have an interest.
p.s.
Timberwolf was a bounty-funded project to port Mozilla Firefox to AmigaOS 4.[1] It was started in early 2009 as a parallel to AmiZilla, which had the same intent. AmiZilla had a more complex history, as it was started in 2003 by the US firm DiscreetFX with the target of porting a running version of the Gecko engine-based Firefox compatible browser to Amiga platforms. As AmiZilla was too ambitious, the project was halted on November 19, 2009, without significant results. Timberwolf was originally managed by Thomas and Hans-Joerg Frieden (AmigaOS 4 core developers).
The first release was made public in June 2010. On July 23, 2012, the project was declared to be complete and the money (€6732.72) was transferred to the Friedens.[2]
At some point after the bounty was closed the Friedens ceased work on the project. In 2013 Steven Solie (AmigaOS 4 Team Lead) obtained the source code and began working on Timberwolf with an unspecified group of part-time developers.[3][4]
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Re: Launching at Kickstart 02, the show is today and tomorrow, 29-30 June.
https://www.amigashow.com/
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I received the A600GS in the mail yesterday! Thanks, AmigaKit!
New A600GS owner,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan
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@RobertB
Thanks for confirming safe receipt. Please can you update your unit with the latest software. There was a new update last Friday. Expect another update coming this week.
Any questions, please ask on this forum. Thank you!
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Hello everyone, and congratulations on this amazing forum.
I'm completely new to the Amiga world, well, sort of. I had an A500 about 35 years ago, and recently, thanks to nostalgia and the fun I’ve had playing with WinUAE, I discovered the great A600GS.
I’m just a casual gamer, so please excuse me if I ask simple questions. Unfortunately, I no longer have my original hardware, and I apologize for that.
I’ve been struggling with two specific titles: Nuclear War and Sensible World of Soccer 96/97.
I have the original disks (including the base version of SWOS that is required to launch the 96/97 version), but I’ve also tried several ADF versions I found online, with the same results.
With Nuclear War, I just can’t get it to run. It always ends up throwing block read errors, whether I use my original disks or the ADFs.
With SWOS 96/97, I manage to get into the game, but when I go into Career Mode and select a team, the game freezes or glitches badly. I'm pretty sure I’m doing something wrong, but the strange thing is, the same ADFs work fine on WinUAE. So I really don’t understand what I’m missing here.
Maybe my original disks are too old to be reliable, which is understandable. But even with the ADFs I have, I’m not getting better results.
I’ve tried using different profiles like A500 and A500+, but the result is the same. Actually, when I try A600 or other emulations, things get even worse, and I don’t even make it to the selection screen sometimes.
Is there anyone here who could help a beginner like me figure this out?
Thanks so much for your time, and I wish you all a fantastic day!
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@Manta
More informations please ;)
Did you import any Kickstart Roms for the A500 Config ? If so, which ? Do other games work ? How do you use your real floppy disks ? Greaseweazle ? If so do you have a good power supply (above 3A) ?
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Hi dear @SkulleateR ,
Sorry, I’m a total beginner…
1. When I set up the A600GS, I imported all the ROMs from Amiga Forever Plus (I have a valid license).
2. I tried selecting A500, A500P, A600GS, and A1200 from the dropdown menu — same results with different errors, but none of them work.
3. Other games work amazingly well! I can play Arkanoid, all the Pinball Fantasy/Dream games, Super Cars, Lotus, RVF Honda, and so on. (some are original floppies, some are ADFs) It’s just those two games that I have no chance of getting to run.
4. I tried using a home-built Drawbridge, and also some ADFs downloaded from the internet that work fine in FS-UAE and WinUAE.
5. I’m not familiar with Greaseweazle… sorry! I do not have one...but I can buy one.
6. Yes, I understand, but I don’t think the issue is with the floppies… at least I hope not.
Do you happen to have valid ADFs I could try for those 2 games, or do you have a chance to try if they work on your? Because as I mentioned, all my other games work great — even Pinball Fantasies with the 3 disks, where course data is on disks 2 and 3...etc..
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Only tried Nuclear War (this version -> Nuclear War v1.0 (1990)(U.S. Gold)(Disk 1 of 2)[cr PNA] ) and I found it on archive.org -> Link REMOVED (We can't post adf files)
Works fine with Kick 1.3 and standard A500 config :)
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Are the kickstarts actually working? are they still encrypted?
You could try creating a blank custom config, set to A500 and see if it boots to 1.3 kickstart screen, when run.
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Mmmm, good question!
I've never tried that.
I just saved all the ROMs from Amiga Forever into a folder, and during the import, I simply clicked and imported them — nothing more.
How can I correctly import all the ROMs from Amiga Forever into the A600GS?
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Are the kickstarts actually working? are they still encrypted?
You could try creating a blank custom config, set to A500 and see if it boots to 1.3 kickstart screen, when run.
It is not working!
It appears a screen of AROS: "Waiting for bootable media"
mmmm how can I install my roms from Amiga Forever? There is a guide?
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I found that the ROMs from Amiga Forever are not recognized by the ROM Import software, except for:
aros-20221128.rom
aros-20221128-ext.rom
All the other ROMs are not showing up.
I took them from the Amiga Forever directory:
Amiga Files -> Shared -> ROM
I have a valid Amiga Forever Plus license, so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Any idea how to fix this?
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I found that the ROMs from Amiga Forever are not recognized by the ROM Import software, except for:
aros-20221128.rom
aros-20221128-ext.rom
All the other ROMs are not showing up.
I took them from the Amiga Forever directory:
Amiga Files -> Shared -> ROM
I have a valid Amiga Forever Plus license, so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Any idea how to fix this?
If you have an old version of AF the ROMs are encrypted and can only be used with the rom.key ! You have to install WinUAE from the AF package and extract the ROM inside the emulation with something like this : https://aminet.net/package/util/sys/SaveROM
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I went through this recently myself (have had the A600GS for about a week), with my purchased Amiga Forever ROMs not showing up in the import list.
In my case I have an Apple Mac and can't run WinUAE, but found some decryption software here https://github.com/abcbarryn/decrypt-amigaforever?cmdf=decrypt-amigaforever.
It needs to be compiled and have the rom key file available, but worked perfectly.
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I have Amiga Forever Plus version 10 and I’m using a Mac.
I’m a bit confused because the rom.key file is a text file — its content isn’t a key, but rather a descriptive text file.
I also tried using the decryption method that’s been described, but it’s not working. I compiled the tool, but it’s not creating an output file.
Is version 10 encrypted in a different way?
Or am I doing something wrong?
Interestingly, inside the key file it says:
Amiga Forever ROM Key 11.0
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It works!!
I decrypted the ROM using the C file from here:
https://github.com/abcbarryn/decrypt-amigaforever?cmdf=decrypt-amigaforever
Now it’s loading the ROM with the correct machine and Kickstart — THANK YOU!
I also solved the issue — Nuclear War and Sensible Soccer are working now!!!
Thanks again for the tip!
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Glad to hear it's working for you now!
Incidentally, Nuclear War and Sensible Soccer are two games I have on my A600GS as well. :)
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It works!!
I decrypted the ROM using the C file from here:
https://github.com/abcbarryn/decrypt-amigaforever?cmdf=decrypt-amigaforever
Now it’s loading the ROM with the correct machine and Kickstart — THANK YOU!
I also solved the issue — Nuclear War and Sensible Soccer are working now!!!
Thanks again for the tip!
Glad you got it working, I'm guessing games were failing, as it was defaulting back to AROS rom, which doesnt like those games.
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aros-20221128.rom
aros-20221128-ext.rom
Glad to hear your ROMS are importing now, but jus as s side note avoid importing AROS roms unless you have very specific need for specific build, the ones that come with the system and via our updates are the most uptodate builds.
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Yep, I hadn’t imported those two :)
And yeah, since it couldn’t find the ROMs, the system fell back to the AROS ROMs. Now everything’s running smoothly—so much so that I’m enjoying it like crazy!
I love the A600GS!!