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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmiDelf on March 21, 2004, 04:24:53 AM
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Sorry for bad English, but if someone here wants to correct it. Youre all welcome to do so offcourse,...
THE START:
After some long, long decisions. I made my decision to get myself PegasosII G4 1GHz. I ordered it for about 3 weeks ago from pegasos homepage and on Tuesday I got it.
Since I thought it would take longer time to get my PegasosII, I also ordered a G3 600MHz version from GGSdata.
For him, it took 5 days to send me the board.
So on Tuesday I've got it. I filmed the whole thing. When I packed it up, how I installed it all and more. For those wich is interested in watching that film. Well, it will be done by next weekend.
LETS INSTALL MORPHOS:
Well, after installing PegasosII into my Chieftec tower (now, I am not an hardware expert, but it went all okay), I plugged my monitor to my old, old Voodoo 3 3000 card. Wich I've been using inside my Amiga 4000.
I started it all up and went thru the manual for PegasosII.
Here my first problem came up. As I am not used to Linux commands. How should I know what the commands should be? I remember ls and such and I followed the manual, but it was a bit wrong. :( The manual wich I've got for both PegasosII motherboards, is for v0.1b of the Open Firmware.
And my Firmware is v1.1 wich have new commands.
Like f.example:
boot /pci/ide/cd0 boot.img <- does not work!
but the new command for reading CD is 'cdrom' now.
That should be:
boot /pci/ide/cdrom boot.img <- and it should work,
but for me, it didn't. For some strange reason. My PegasosII G3 600MHz motherboard don't like any Slave devices on the same IDE cable.
I thought that I was connecting those switches at the back of my HD at wrong positions. So to find out if it was me or board fault that it didn't want to take any Slave drives.
I took my PegasosII motherboard over to my friend, wich is good at hardware and programming stuff (wich also got a PegasosII himself). And it prooved right.
My PegasosII G3 600MHz dosen't like Slave drives. This might be that PegasosII dosen't like Samsung HD's. I don't really know.
So the sollution to all this, was to connect my HD to the first IDE connector as Master. Then I had to plug my CD-ROM as Master on the second IDE controller.
A bit tricky, but it worked. There could be some bugs with my G3 motherboard offcourse. Since my friends PegasosII dosen't have these problems.
Well, after everything is right, this is how you boot PegasosII:
Write: boot /pci/ide/cdrom boot.img
Then: MorphOS boots up from CD-ROM
Done: MorphOS screen shows up with MorphOS boot icon
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/morphicon.jpg)
Now?: Click on the MorphOS boot icon
Then: Click on the Tools icon
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/tools.JPG)
Here you have tools for setting up your HD. Click on the UnitControl icon to see if the devices is recognized by ide.device.
If everything is oki, now click on the SCSIconfig icon. Then this window should come up:
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/scsiconfig.jpg)
Here you also see my devices. Click on the Config Drive button and then on Optimal Geometry. This program have some bugs, but just ignore them. Click on Optimal Geometry then OK and back to the menu of SCSIconfig.
Now click on the Partition button (to the left side), then everything changes to this:
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/hdpartitions.JPG)
Here I've allready made my partitions. If there is a QDH0 partition there. Delete it. Now click on add and later on. You have to doubleclick on your partition.
But remember this!:
Your boot.img partition must be in FFS format. Thats boot0 and you dont need to make this partition higher than between 50mb and 100mb big.
Click on the Mount area, but not Boot. Your boot partition can be choosen offcourse. But for nice reasons. Choose HD0 as your boot partition. And remember that only one of your partitions can be the boot partition. So do only click at the boot box in your HD0 partition.
Also remember that all of the partitions. Either if they are FFS or SFS (recommended for all of the partitions. Not boot0 partition!) must have this MASK:
0xfffffffe
The Buffers value should be 600
Also! SCSIconfig program have bugs when showing the size of partitions. Just ignore this. Just add the wanted size in the Mbytes section.
Also Ignore the error when saying wrong Mask etc.
When this is all done. Click OK, Save the changes and it will reboot.
Now, once again, type:
boot /pci/ide/cdrom boot.img
and Ambient screen comes up again. Now its time to format the drives.
Click on Format and desired name of each partitions.
Here is example:
boot0 could be named as MorphOS
HD0 could be named as System or Workbench etc...
HD1 could be named as Wozly or Work etc..
Its all up to you. If you have choosen SFS on HD0 and HD1 do not click on Case Sensitive. People have reported that this is a bad thing to do.
Now when you have formated it all, then click the Format window away and Install MorphOS from its CD by clicking on the install icon.
First it asks where to install boot.img
- Put this one into your boot0 partition.
Then it asks where to install MorphOS
- Put this one into HD0 for example.
When its done. This goes really fast :) Then, when its done. Then you should remoove your MorphOS CD and it will reboot in 3, 2, 1...
Now your PegasosII should be ready to run MorphOS from HD. Try typing
boot /pci/ide/disk@0,0:0 boot.img
Now your PegasosII should boot. Now you can start having fun with configurating MorphOS. This is a beutifull OS. With MUI intergrated. You have so many possibilities.
If you later on, wants MorphOS to boot automaticly. You have to restart from the Ambient menu, and write:
setenv boot-file boot.img ramdebug
setenv boot-device /pci/ide/disk@0,0:0 boot.img
setenv auto-boot-timeout 3000
setenv auto-boot? true
Now when you press the restart button, your PegasosII should boot up MorphOS.
After this, you will be blown away. Even on a 600MHz G3 PPC. It boots in 4-5 seconds. Thats amazing fast. Now you can have fun and enjoy the next true experience. :)
Conclusion:
+ Very nice OS
+ This must be the fastest OS in the world at the moment!
+ Super compatibility with older programs. Also supports your old AmigaHD with no problems
+ MUI makes this OS looks amazing!
+ 32bit icon support!
+ Got USB stack into it all! Found my N-Gage even.
- bad manual
- open firmware is a bit complicated for beginners, but you learn it fast
- bugs with Slave drives
- SCSIconfig program got few bugs
All in all:
Get this and support it. Its amazing good. Its lot more stable than AmigaOS v3.9 and this is PPC. Have fun watching DivX and other cool things on a AmigaOS alike enviroment.
This is AmigaOS for me. This is the most fantastic OS ever made, for everyone. With a better manual or even a easier Open Firmware. This thing can really start to fly or if companies does all of the installation for you. Then this system is just perfect.
Here is some shots of it:
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/localeSetup.jpg)
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/printerSetup.jpg)
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/preferencesSetup.jpg)
I hope you liked this review/installation guide. I wish that people could get along and be nicer to each other. The community needs to get tougether again. Companies cannot just take away the spirit. end, Michal
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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So, does this mean you've cancelled the A6000 project?
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No. I haven't, but its on hold. At the moment I am focusing on the Opera project indeed.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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For some strange reason. My PegasosII G3 600MHz motherboard don't like any Slave devices on the same IDE cable.
let me get this right: you can't add another HD because it doesn't accept a 2nd device as slave?
in other words, I have a pre-april peg with one HD and one CD drive. are you saying i can't add another HD????
what's up wid that????
:-o
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Non-cooperation of a Master drive on an IDE bus is typically the fault of the drive's firmware in my experience. (Speaking as someone who QA and integration tested an awful lot of different manufacturers drives.)
That said, there is/was a bug in the Peg firmware, very similar to the 'reset race condition' on the regular Amiga...symptom is that it will not boot from a hard reset (cold boot) but will from a soft boot. Did firmware 1.1 fix this bug.....have no idea, will find out once I receive my PegII!
Unless his friends machine has the exact same hardrive (or one from the same family) as he does then it's not comparable.
Given that you have a pre-april pegasos, I would stay with as few devices as possible...adding more would increase the probability of seeing a problem.
Steve
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Given that you have a pre-april pegasos, I would stay with as few devices as possible...adding more would increase the probability of seeing a problem.
darn! :-(
I was hoping to be able to have linux on this peg. (the preseant HD doesn't have enough room for another OS).
well, as they say in politics, "explicative deleted".
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Hi AmiDelf,
Strange you've got problems with the drives.
I've heard it before.
I've got my 1GHz Peg2 now and I've connected two harddrives (unit 0 and 1) and a CD-ReWriter and a DVD-ROM (unit 2 and 3).
All's working fine.
Also using MakeCD with images isn't a problem.
One question, how did you get pictures in your post? :-)
(really nice pics, bytheway)
Bye,
Spidey
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Well, it might be that my PegasosII motherboard, dosen't like Samsung HD. Wich might be the case.
For getting your pics into this forum area, with Ibrowse v2.3?
Well, I have a on-line diary, so I've learned a bit from that. To post pictures here, you have to type:
(http://"the area where your picture is")
Now have fun adding pics. So if you have any nice MorphOS screenshot. Please come with it.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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Seems to happen with specific configurations. Here I can use HD and CDROM as a slave without problems. My default configuration:
80GB MorphOS HD: ide.device / 0 (master in channel 1)
HP CDRW: ide.device / 3 (slave in channel 2)
I have 2 AmigaOS HDs (from my ex-A1200) which I can attach to any free IDE slot (channel 1 slave or channel 2 master).
(Btw when installing HD from Amiga make sure you have boot priorities right or you may get wrong OS there.)
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AmiDelf wrote:
Sorry for bad English, but if someone here wants to correct it. Youre all welcome to do so offcourse,...
THE START:
After some long, long decisions. I made my decision to get myself PegasosII G4 1GHz. I ordered it for about 3 weeks ago from pegasos homepage and on Tuesday I got it.
Since I thought it would take longer time to get my PegasosII, I also ordered a G3 600MHz version from GGSdata.
For him, it took 5 days to send me the board.
So on Tuesday I've got it. I filmed the whole thing. When I packed it up, how I installed it all and more. For those wich is interested in watching that film. Well, it will be done by next weekend.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
It is a tough choice that's for sure.
What software do you run on your machine and
will you be doing screen shots?
Are all the ports supported USB etc?
What happens to Pegasos and MorphOS when AOS4 is
released?
PAINter
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Hello PAINter,
Are all the ports supported USB etc?
What do you mean with this question? :-)
I can say that mass storage devices work with the 3 working USB-ports (USB sticks, photo camera's and such).
Also got my printer working today through USB port (HPDeskjet920C).
What happens to Pegasos and MorphOS when AOS4 is
released?
I personally hope we get more developers working for AOS4 and MorpHOS making all kinds of programs :-D
Bye,
Spidey
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oki, here you get your screenshots.
I am a person which changes the style often and MUI is something really special. Customize it all in your own way.
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Here is a shot of my PegasosII 600MHz running 2 DivX movies at the same time.
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/2moviesMini.jpg)
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Here you see AmIRC running very nice!
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/AmIRCmorphmini.jpg)
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Ibrowse v2.3 looks more beutifull than ever in MorphOS. Customize it as you wish. And support the Ibrowse team by registrating. Support them,...
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/Ibrowse23mini.jpg)
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And at the end of this gallery round. Here is a shot of how Foundation DC works. Really nice. Its so fast, thats it is fun to play!
(http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/MorphOS/FoundationGoldMini.jpg)
Also tried Hyperions QuakeII with MorphOS and it works without any problems at all. Even if you have Voodoo 3, you can also play it in 3D mode also.
Go on and support MorphOS,..
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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Well, it might be that my PegasosII motherboard, dosen't like Samsung HD. Wich might be the case
Same here. Samsung 40GB HD and I can't connect a CDROM as slave. The hd won't be recognised, but the cdrom.
Markus
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Stupid question, but are you sure you have the "Master" "Slave" jumpers set up properly on the drives?
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Hi,
One thing that Morphos is lacking is a TCP/IP stack. I am not even sure if it will be in the next version. Having to manage with a 30 minute Miama demo is far from great.
Coder
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There have been some strange "jumper" issues with newer Samsung drives
(in the PC world), try setting the drive as "cable select".
Also the Samsung "spinpoint" drives need to have the MBR cleared
or else they won't work right.
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Wow Amidelf! after all the bad talk about the Pegasos you decided to get one! I sure wish I had the money to get one too. I think its a lot more advanced then theA1 is and MorphOS is way ahead of OS4 as well and will be for some time I think.
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So amidelf tell me. Is this system just like using an Amiga? I hear it is. I am real close to selling off my A3000 to get a Peg II system. I still cant decide if I should wait for OS4 to come out for CSPPC.
Looks like MiamiDX is working fine and all the key files for Ibrowse and Miami work okay?
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Hey Acill!
Yes, this is the best Amiga computer I've ever used since Amiga 4000.
It's hard for me to say bye bye to my Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000, but PegasosII gives me everything! Without no problem!
MorphOS is a amazing fast, it multitasks like AmigaOS and it works like it. It got MUI and is super, super fast.
Even the 600MHz G3 version is ennough for MorphOS. You don't really see the differences between G3 and G4. If running Linux, then yes.
I hope your'e all fine,...
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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Hmm sounds like I just may get a new Peg II system soon. Anyone want to buy a super deked out A3000 for the cost of a Peg II? :-D
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I am actually selling:
1. Amiga 1200 68030 40MHz, 260MB HD
2. Amiga 4000 PPC604e/060, MediatorPCI4000Di, Ariadne_II, DelfinaDSPz2, 60GB HD
3. PS2 8mb memcard, 1 controller, 20+ games
4. Dreamcast
5. PC AMD XP1800 1.46GHz, GeForce4 Ti4200, 256MB RAM, 120GB HD
6. PegasosII G4 1GHz motherboard with the latest MorphOS v1.4 CD
To have:
My PegasosII G3 600MHz and getting a second laptop PC :) Then my life will be oki, and more tidy :)
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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@ Coder
I bought the OS3.9 CD, which has some goodies on it, including a
registered version of Genesis. My Pegasos has been online almost
non-stop for some two weeks now. A native PPC stack would of course be
better for performance (and it would also be nice to have fully
working DHCP), but the JIT works fine, so ...
I hope a native stack is coming in MorphOS 1.5. That's what has been
said anyway, and I really hope that the package at least comes in on
par with MiamiDx when it comes to features ...
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Does MiamiD work with MorphOS? I have a registered version of it I could use.
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Yes, I think so.
The Miami drivers is on the MorphOS CD, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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Yes, Miami, MiamiDx & AmiTCP/Genesis all work, even the 68k version of Roadshow has been reported to work. A PPC native stack based on AmiTCP is expected to be included in MorphOS 1.5.
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Amidelf
Nice review. Although it seems that the peg2 just doesnt like your hd. Slave devices work fine here. I have 4 ide devices on these boxes sometimes. My personal Peg2 G4 has a DVD Rom Drive - an LG 8161B 16x (Plays DVD nicely in MOrphos) a Samsung CDRW drive 48x write (burns CD's well with BurnIt for Morphos) I also have a Maxtor 40gb Diamond Max on Master Primary ide. Sometimes a put a Seagate 40gb baracuda as slave on Primary and the whole box works perfectly.
@Acii
Selling your cool A3000 setup for a peg2 g4 will be the best move you could make! Its incredibly fast. Pretty much all Amiga software that runs on Cybergrafx runs on Morphos. Also there is TONS of Native MorphOS apps like
Mplayer - QT, DVD, VCD, Mpeg,Divx, etc media player
Kaya - Mp3/ogg player
Mencoder - DVD/VCD ripping mpeg encoding
LAME - Mp3 encoder
MlDonkey - Morphos port of the p2p edonkey client
Wget - wed address get from website
Papyrus Office - Morphos native Wordprocessor with M$ Word import!
Image FX 4.5 Studio - 68k with PPC extensions MOS version
BurnIt Pro - CD, CDRW, DVD Writing for Morphos
and much more:
www.morphzone.org
software section
Also legacy 68k Apps that work are many such as
Photogenics 5
ATC ftp
Ibrowse
YAM
Aweb
TvPaint
AmIrc
etc..
Also 3d PPC Games like Shogo, Heretic 2, Quake2, and more..
AND you can run Linux with Altivec support as well as Mac OS X with Mac On linux!
All this for under $700!
magnetic
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@Magnetic
Papyrus Office - Morphos native Wordprocessor with M$ Word import!
BurnIt Pro - CD, CDRW, DVD Writing for Morphos
You should note that these two applications aren't available to the public at this time. However, he is correct that they are being worked on. (Yes, they really are being worked on, and they look pretty amazing. Check MorphZone for some screenshots.)
@Acill
MiamiDX is reported to work just fine. If you're using high-speed internet (dsl, etc), I would suggest using a router. (I forced PPoE to work at one point, but it was very difficult.)
I got Genesis to work through Dial-Up, but was not successful getting it to run on high-speed. (NetConnect-3 version of Genesis.)
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Backup your hard drive(s)..sell your machine and don't look back.
The emotional relief of detaching myself from that ancient hardware (well CSPPC/CVPPC and A4000) was almost physical!
Awaiting my Peg II with great anticipation.
I ran all my old Amiga apps, keyfiles and all on my Peg I...no problems :-D
Steve
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I have 40gb Samsung and have no problems with it. I tested it with another (IBM) harddrive, plus HP cdrw, with both it worked just fine.
Seems like not many people have awfully lot bad words about Pegasos/MorphOS .. at least I haven't met many people saying so.
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Seems like not many people have awfully lot bad words about Pegasos/MorphOS .. at least I haven't met many people saying so.
Personally I see it as the epitome of what the "amigascene" has been for
the last 10 years or so...definately not at all practical, and there are many
things lacking as opposed to mainstream platforms, but you can't beat the fun-factor.
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And fun is what its all about. . . . :-D
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Golem!dk wrote:
Yes, Miami, MiamiDx & AmiTCP/Genesis all work, even the 68k version of Roadshow has been reported to work. A PPC native stack based on AmiTCP is expected to be included in MorphOS 1.5.
For the life of me I cant understand why they wont release the Roadshow stack for us 68k users. They authorspent so much time on it. You would think he would want to sell it to 68k users.
The Peg II at 600MHZ is worth it? Would the 1GHZ be a waste? I am thinking of getting the fater one, but need to save up. Whats the best video card to use?
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>For the life of me I cant understand why they wont release the Roadshow stack for us 68k users. They authorspent so much time on it. You would think he would want to sell it to 68k users.
Maybe it's not in a condition to be released for the public, yet.
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Well it looks like I have a buyer for my A3000 and I'll have $800 to get the PEg II G4, a ATX case, Video card (which should I get????), keyboard, and mouse. I have a USB keyboard and mouse, can I use them on the Peg II?
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If i were you id go for a Radeon! 7500 to 9200! or you could find a Voodoo3/5 card! the USB mouse and key should work just fine! im using a optical microsoft USB mouse myself :).
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I have a AGP 9200 here!! Will that work well? I have the MS optical too just sitting. Awsome. All I need is a case then.
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>I have a AGP 9200 here!! Will that work well?
Yes. Both 9200 and 9200SE will work with MorphOS.
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Well...I guess I read on a forum that Olaf is trying to find a distributor (for Roadshow) and if he can't get an agreement he likes that he might even do it himself.
Sounds reasonably ready to me....I should try to find the link but I really can;t be arsed! :-D
Steve
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We need a good TCP/IP stack, hehe :)
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org