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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: SHADES on March 19, 2004, 06:41:59 AM
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For those of you who know me I am an avid AMIGA user. A huge fan of the OS and have been right back to when it's launch wowed everyone including me.
HOWEVER I really don't get all this.
AMIGA inc must be just desperate for money.
Why would you pour all this interest into developing an OS if your not going to see the product through to implementation. I would say AMIGA (the experience) probably has had it's last takeover.
I mean really, what's to stop the next owner from calling is Zorro OS or Microlin 4.0 or whatever. I mean, they don't HAVE to use the AMIGA name now do they? They could call it whatever the hell they want to now as they have all the rights to the source code and everything. It's no longer attached to AMIGA inc in any way. It may just become another Linux varient or emulator OS at some stage. Why not re-package it to Bills OS or whatever. Jay Minor?? Who's he? Carl S, huh? what the?
My question is, do we have an AMIGA anymore. :(( Sad sad days.
It looks like it 's just about time to give up the fight and look for whatever can offer "the feel".
i know it may have benn the best way to carry it through to final development, but it's no longer an AMIGA product is it. What's next? Will Digital re-surface once bought by Intel?? Not likely is it.
I really have No IDEA what Fleecy is trying to do but whatever it is, it looks like it is not to resurect the AMIGA OS, feel, platform anymore. He may use the name still, but I think it just may be all over :((
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KMOS have got the rights to use the name AmigaOS in relation to the next version of the operating system.
Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).
What I suspect happened is that the investors were withholding money from Amiga Inc because they weren't happy with what Amiga Inc were doing. In the end they gave them the money they needed, in return for AmigaOS, the thing that was distracting Amiga Inc from what the investors were interested in, namely AmigaDE.
So Amiga Inc have nothing to do with the classic Amiga, or descendents of it now. They are doing the non-related AmigaDE stuff. Probably blocked from creating an AmigaOS version of it too now by the investors.
Maybe it will all be explained in next month's double-issue CAM.
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@ Hattig
If that's the case, what was all that about bringing the AMIGA OS into the future?? Getting away from legacy 68k stuff and creating an enviroment that AMIGA users would once again be happy to use.
There is no AMIGA OS any more really is there.
Let's just say if it was AMIGA OS at heart but called KMOS or whatever, what's to stop them from making their own DE KMOS DE
Amiga, is still dead. It's KMOS now
KMOS is now the platform to use. Forget AMIGA.
Now what?
What's to stop them from saying, forget KMOS OS, look at KMOS Linux. or new develpoment platform. Too much effort in re-coding Kmos to 64 bit, but Linux? well we have a working kernal and smoe of KMOS OS (formaly AMiga) was written and devleoped with Debian.
So now the choice is suddenly a Linux varient.
Do we all again, switch platforms to more of an AMIGA feel like Morph? and re- buy all our programs again? Wasn't Be OS a bit like AMIGA os, wasn't OS2 a bit like AMIGA os.
How much is a bit worth to AMIGA users.
A bit in computer terminology is not very much information at all to store.
Is that what we eventually will have left of the AMIGA feel.??
A bit like AMIGA . Hmmmm.
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Hattig wrote:
Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).
Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.
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What I find weird is the discrimination, I totally
forget that I am using Morphos, it feels so much
like my Amiga's. (which i still have, a500,1200,4000)
It runs almost all my favorite apps as well, only much
faster. Nothing new can replace the feel and abilities
of my original Amigas with bitplanes and custom
chips. Computers change and to move on so must we.
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@SHADES
Nothing has really changed. AOS4 is still being derived from earlier 68k versions, it is still Amiga.
KMOS bought the name, the rights and everything related to Amiga OS from Amiga Inc. so it is no different to when escom or gateway or Amiga Inc bought it.At any time they could have changed the name to : Happy pink bunnies with attitude os" if they had so desired.
Why is it such a big deal that Kmos now own it and Amiga Inc does not?
In some ways I think it is better as now the A1 and OS4 are now distanced from alot of the trouble that surrounds Amiga Inc.
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@ IronDeluxe
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Nothing has really changed. AOS4 is still being derived from earlier 68k versions, it is still Amiga.
KMOS bought the name, the rights and everything related to Amiga OS from Amiga Inc. so it is no different to when escom or gateway or Amiga Inc bought it.At any time they could have changed the name to : Happy pink bunnies with attitude os" if they had so desired.
Why is it such a big deal that Kmos now own it and Amiga Inc does not?
It is true...FOR NOW.
But what of the next version and the one after that?
They may just decide that 1 release is it. Now move on to something better like Linux varient. That's the big deal.
There is nothing stopping them from stopping production on an OS that even the pervious poster thinks is too dated for any real needs.
Morph OS is already there, OS2 was there is now gone. BE was there now gone. What's left is a non released version of the AMIGA opperating system that may just never get any further development after it has been released.
KMOS may just decide to use some of the ideas it had in a new Linuk vrient or just incorperate some of the "feel" into a KMOS DE thing or whtever. The thing is, the Parent company has now washed it's hands of the OS and basicly turned its attention to creating something else that may have an AMIGA feel. Perhaps it could be Morph DE perhaps it could be SUN DE just as long as it has the feel.
Just what is that feel. Morph? Sun? Linux? BE? OS2? which!, u choose!
there is nothing to stop them from just letting Genisi or WHOEVER as you so put it, have the source code. Then we can have 29 more AMIGA feel OS's or whatever. Let's make it Public source!! Lets have 159 varients, all bicker about who has more "feel" . None of which are really compatible with each other. In the end, AMIGA is lost, There is no part AMIGA, just different feelings from different offerings. Like a mouse with an extra button, but it's an AMIGA button! ... or is it really? what really makes the button, is it the hardware or the software?? No, ?? it's the "feel"?
My God, it's a fantastic way to bury the OS once and for all.
I know, we can just go for the OS that has "the most feel" !!
What was that feeling again? Where's that mouse.....
I think I'm going to cry :( yup, might be....
So I wonder. Just what is AMIGA now that the company no longer wants the OS. What will make the AMIGA.
What is AMIGA? Kmos?
The .....wht?...the.......feel???...??
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Really everyone.
I'm not here to BAG the OS.
I am really scared. There is nothing to say it's going to survive now. Even the Parent company has decided to seperate itself from it's roots and give up on giving it's community the resurection.
So much for the phoenix Fleecy. What have you done!
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SHADES wrote:
Really everyone.
I'm not here to BAG the OS.
I am really scared. There is nothing to say it's going to survive now. Even the Parent company has decided to seperate itself from it's roots and give up on giving it's community the resurection.
So much for the phoenix Fleecy. What have you done!
That's something which hit me in 2000... It became apparent to me that there was no place for the Amiga platform in the traditional sense... but I certainly feel that security can be maintained through the use of Opensource software. After Amino had bouth the Rights to the Amiga Name (they did not buy the IP) and called their Mobile Phone Toy Extra Overhead Layer Amiga... I gave up with the idea that any company would ever produce a viable Amiga Platform... thus I decided to support an opesource effort...
This is where I am now, and I feel happy :-)
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What good is it to worship the name?
Isn't it more important that the software you like still runs?
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KennyR wrote:
Hattig wrote:
Not that I care. It could be called anything, as long as it was AmigaOS at heart (which it is).
Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.
Perhaps because some MorphOS users started saying AmigaOS supporters were "just blindly following a name"?
Anyway. The name doesn't matter a great deal, except for a scrap of brand recognition, while the brand doesn't have a great deal of credibility to it, it's better than starting from scratch. We also have an OS soon to be released.
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@ Mikeymike
I agree we do have AN os to be released.
Just what is that OS is now in question and what future it has.
We have a community to help.
AROS try to save the AMIGA spirit by trying to port it to standard WInetl platform.
MORPH try to save AMIGA spirit by going towards PPC Hardware.
KMOS try to save AMIGA sprit by going to PPC hardware using source purchased from AMIGA inc.
AMIGA InC have removed themself from the OS and seperated themselves from their community in the process.
But what is that community fighting for? Another OS that does what? Captures a Feel??
KMOS now have the code and may just use it in the future do do what? apply it to what? Where does it leave the community?
Are we now a KMOS community? Do we no longer have an AMIGA community or are they the very small DE people.
If we are KMOS, what about AROS and MOrph. Will they end up being more pure to what was once the AMIGA spirit? Is Morph the end result of a dying platform getting ported?
What does it say? Will we all be devoted Debian fnas in the future if KMOS go that way?
It's just so terrible. At least with AMIGA we had a set path, a name and an Ideal. A path to walk down that kep those Ideas and community together. Now We have KMOS which could go any way at all. Once we get this release what's to stop them selling it again, perhaps to Microsoft. then what, do we become a Microsoft community?
OR would we go to Morph? but it is built without KMOS code.
It's just so frightening.
do we(the community formerly know as...) even have an identity?
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@ SHADES
Well I'm not the slightest bit concerned, everything's pretty much the same as it has been for the last few years. :-) I think you ought to reason things out for yourself and decide what Amiga means / has meant to you in the process.
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@mikeymike
I used to think I had a very clear idea. Now i'm not so sure.
I guess that's why I'm here though Mike.
i am trying to find exactly that out.
Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.
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SHADES wrote:
@mikeymike
I used to think I had a very clear idea. Now i'm not so sure.
I guess that's why I'm here though Mike.
i am trying to find exactly that out.
Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.
I guess what the Amiga Community has is a common past :-)
I expect we will all have a common future too... but that is just my pure specualtion ;-)
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Hopefully enough people will bring forwad their ideas and help me find out exactly what I have now, and what may be for the future of a Platform that seems clearly is no longer AMIGA.
What I tried to say though was that it wasn't other peoples' ideas as to what Amiga is that matters, it's yours.
So, in your opinion, what makes an Amiga an Amiga?
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@bloodline
I hope so bud. I really do. Our past seems so very frgmented now, AROS, MORPH, QNX etc.. all of which seem to be "The Community"
It's a pitty that allthese different systems are not compatible with each other. Linux is fragmented too but at least I can run a Redhat program on a SUSE build.
We have a common past, what's happened to our future.
I really hope you're right Bloodline. I REALLY do. I want that soooo much.
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@ MikeyMike
I do sort of dissagree with you. It's a hard one
Other peoples Ideas do matter greatly.
Well that does depend on the support network around my idea.
If I am the only one with my Idea of what AMIGA is, then I have no real future because it won't change how I wnat it to, it will change how the majority wants it to go. what I am trying to do is find out what the majority is and if it will "suit my needs" If it's a "Windows" type of path, I won't be an AMIGA person anymore.
i guess I want to find out what exactly I am looking for, to give myself some sort of platform to go forth with. At the moment, my support network is a whole bunch of different opperating systems all claiming to be "What I want" it's no longer what AMIGA want, they just sold themselves off and do other things like DE which will not suit my needs. If that's the case, I am not an AMIGA person anymore, I am a KMOS, or am I??
Will Aorg now become KMOS.org?
I do understand what your trying to say, I hope you see what I am trying to say now. I am trying to find my identity, my needs need to be fulfilled and I want a support network.
If I am to be a KMOS user, so be it. Time will tell, it's a sad day for our legacy if that's the case because now the Future is very un-known.
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SHADES wrote:
@bloodline
I hope so bud. I really do. Our past seems so very frgmented now, AROS, MORPH, QNX etc.. all of which seem to be "The Community"
It's a pitty that allthese different systems are not compatible with each other. Linux is fragmented too but at least I can run a Redhat program on a SUSE build.
We have a common past, what's happened to our future.
I really hope you're right Bloodline. I REALLY do. I want that soooo much.
The future's bright... the future's... um.. err.. Black? :lol: At least it is in the SHADE!! ;-)
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@ Bloodline
Your so right!
My name is so appropriate to describe our community.
Now perhaps I should change it to Babel fish and I could make an OS to understand everyones idea.
you're a funny man Blood :) good sense of humor :)
I'm way to upset.
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Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.
I don't mind AROS at all, I've used it.
I think people have issues against personalities on either side otherwise, and that turns them against what they produce.
MorphOS is a Quark kernel that has not much in common with AmigaOS, with an AmigaOS box on top. AROS is a nice clean complete reimplementation (shame that the Palm port died). AmigaOS4 derives from the classic AmigaOS, brought up to date, however the legacy creates some issues, most notably graphics.library.
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Over the years the only different OS plan for Amiga that I liked and approved of was QNX. It had a nice, clean interface. It had some pretty cool technology that was quite Amiga like in many ways. It was interesting.
It wasn't AmigaOS of course. A "classic amiga in a box" would have had to be written. It wasn't an ideal future, but at the time everything looked terrible.
Now AmigaOS has settled into acceptance that (at least for the next few years) it will be minor OS for the enthusiasts that like it. It can sit quietly, getting more users and getting better developed, until it has a featureset that has caught up with modern OSen, and runs on hardware that is feature comparable to modern hardware. Then we can see what will happen.
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Hattig wrote:
Which has been the MorphOS and AROS attitude from the beginning. It still doesn't stop people discriminating against them, unfortunately.
I don't mind AROS at all, I've used it.
I think people have issues against personalities on either side otherwise, and that turns them against what they produce.
MorphOS is a Quark kernel that has not much in common with AmigaOS, with an AmigaOS box on top. AROS is a nice clean complete reimplementation (shame that the Palm port died). AmigaOS4 derives from the classic AmigaOS, brought up to date, however the legacy creates some issues, most notably graphics.library.
The Palm port isn't dead... it's just sleeping :-D Staf has even updated the sources to make then ARM ready... Hopefully some one with more PDA experience will join the team and push the port forward.
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SHADES wrote:
@ Bloodline
Your so right!
My name is so appropriate to describe our community.
Now perhaps I should change it to Babel fish and I could make an OS to understand everyones idea.
you're a funny man Blood :) good sense of humor :)
I'm way to upset.
I say cheer up :-) The Amiga Community is now more than ever about people. Computers are nothing more than commodities... they are like table salt... it doesn't matter which brand you buy they all do the same thing... some will claim one tastes better than the other ;-)
You have three choices... and that's a good thing, I would say none is "Amiga" and none are not "Amiga"... they are all choices that you can make.
Check them all out, and see which meets your needs. if none of them do... then don't panic... you share a common past with the rest of us here... so there is no reason why you should leave the community just beacuse you don't like the option available :-D
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Mikeymike wrote:
Perhaps because some MorphOS users started saying AmigaOS supporters were "just blindly following a name"?
That must have been shortly after MorphOS was attacked and viciously publicly discredited by Haeuser and Hermans, even before OS4 had even been started. Much of the untruth spoken then still persists today. The feud between Red and Blue is bitter and long-standing, don't make the mistake in believing it comes from MOS-user arrogance alone.
And it is frustrating, from a MOS user's point of view, to have MOS victimised and dismissed like that when it can do so many things, and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.
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and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.
And yet you don't tire of the occasional snipe. Do you think that maybe for the hatchet to be buried, that people just need to *stop* bickering, rather than suggest along the lines of "you stop first, then I'll stop"?
There are immature people on "all sides". There will always be some, and always have been. It's best just to ignore them, unless you'd like to be counted among them.
I do what I can as a moderator and as a user to keep it to a minimum, but it requires the majority to do their bit as well.
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KennyR wrote:
And it is frustrating, from a MOS user's point of view, to have MOS victimised and dismissed like that when it can do so many things, and yet when some trivial addition to OS4 is announced that MOS did about 3 years ago, there is a gif smiley overload and wall-to-wall congratulation.
Heh, reminds me of the old days when PC users got soundblasters and VGA cards.
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Hoya!
Hum... I would like to know...
Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!
When you analyse the situation, you could just think MOS is 99% based on AOS and has just minor things rewritten for PPC while OS4 is 100% from scratch...
It is a nonsense! Now that, because of all our heavy past, the Amiga is divided into TOO many realms, the fact the "official" OS is STILL being waited for does not really improve the situation.
Concurrence is, indeed, healthy, but for now MOS seems to be its own concurrent.
Boy, and please don't laugh, I wish I was a billionaire to buy the whole Amiga thing to inject LOADS of dough in it to REALLY do something and try to revive Jay's Dream!... :-(
It would be a big nonsense to have fought for so many years... for nothing.
Be funky
M A D
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MAD wrote:
Hoya!
Hum... I would like to know...
Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!
When you analyse the situation, you could just think MOS is 99% based on AOS and has just minor things rewritten for PPC while OS4 is 100% from scratch...
It is a nonsense! Now that, because of all our heavy past, the Amiga is divided into TOO many realms, the fact the "official" OS is STILL being waited for does not really improve the situation.
Concurrence is, indeed, healthy, but for now MOS seems to be its own concurrent.
Boy, and please don't laugh, I wish I was a billionaire to buy the whole Amiga thing to inject LOADS of dough in it to REALLY do something and try to revive Jay's Dream!... :-(
It would be a big nonsense to have fought for so many years... for nothing.
Be funky
M A D
MOS is completely PPC, it HAS to be, as they can't distribute AOS binaries, it's not like they could ship old AmigaOS binaries and emulate them. (which is how AOS4 was developed, replacing 68k modules piece by piece)
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Since OS4 is based on a previous AOS, WHY is it still lagging behind MOS??!!
As many have tried to explain, the original sources are for all intents (excuse the pun) and purposes worthless. All credit to Hyperion, they have done a lot of work to get OS4 ready.
People seem to think the original sources have some magic incantantion written into them... they don't, they are of far less value than the ROM Kernel Manuals.
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All of this is banannas over nothing.
Amiga as it has been, has been bought and sold many many times since it began, any one of those companies could have turned amiga into something else.In fact, AMiga Inc has turned Amiga into something very different from what it used to be.Compare an A1 to an amiga 500 for instance.
Remember also that Amiga Inc used to be call Amino.
I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.
That seems illogical to me as Linux and other OS's are more advanced and a different design so there is little value in doing so IMO.Forcing everyone to change all thier system software for a free os would likely be financial foolishness.
KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.
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IonDeluxe wrote:
I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.
It does give the impression - despite the sales pitch from AInc - that they are having a fire sale early, and does not bode well for the company.
KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.
But what is the use of the OS to them, whilst the market is still dwindling? How long are they likely to continue to develop for a platform that is beginning to fragment more each day? Despite their high reserves of cash, they still have responsibilities to their shareholders to give a good return on each dime/penny that they spend. Now that AInc have disposed of the OS, what incentive is there for them to continue developing any new & modern hardware?
If KMOS choose to develop a new OS which runs on the IBM compatible PC's the AOS is likely to become another OS2 casulty of the Windows domination.
Also, any brand awareness that the OS presently has (due to large numbers of ex-users) will disappear if the new OS is just marketed as another alternative to a Windows system.
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IonDeluxe wrote:
I think what is freaking SHADES out is that KMOS did not buy the entire company and is worries that it will just use what it bought as "spare parts" for something else.
That seems illogical to me as Linux and other OS's are more advanced and a different design so there is little value in doing so IMO.Forcing everyone to change all thier system software for a free os would likely be financial foolishness.
KMOS, it seems, has given assureances it will continue development of the Amiga platform, so there is no need to worry about it.
Settop boxes, embedded systems, kiosks etc. The OS has a small footprint, (even the PPC version) they would own it and they can enhance it to fit their needs. Given Garry's background thats much more likely use for an OS then an OS for an expensive (ie A1) computer. However I still stand by my thought that this chapter in amiga history will be known in the future as Operation: Shell Game.
-Tig
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@Tigger
Something according to your own yardstick that both Amiga Inc and Bill Buck has indulged in.
Pretory(bankrupt)/Thendic France(bankrupt)/Thendic Germany(bankrupt)/Genesi
Follow the financial transfers, and even the attempted transfer of rights of the Amiga/Thendic contract.
Operation Shell Game indeed.
Pop quiz: Which declared bankrupt ex PhaseV co owner's close friend holds shares in Genesi on his behalf?
Or maybe, what you term a "game" is a normal part of running a business.
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But what is the use of the OS to them, whilst the market is still dwindling? How long are they likely to continue to develop for a platform that is beginning to fragment more each day? Despite their high reserves of cash, they still have responsibilities to their shareholders to give a good return on each dime/penny that they spend. Now that AInc have disposed of the OS, what incentive is there for them to continue developing any new & modern hardware?
If KMOS choose to develop a new OS which runs on the IBM compatible PC's the AOS is likely to become another OS2 casulty of the Windows domination.
Then what would have been the point of buying it in the first place?It does not make financial sense.
Settop boxes, embedded systems, kiosks etc. The OS has a small footprint, (even the PPC version) they would own it and they can enhance it to fit their needs. Given Garry's background thats much more likely use for an OS then an OS for an expensive (ie A1) computer. However I still stand by my thought that this chapter in amiga history will be known in the future as Operation: Shell Game.
That is already the plan, by selling the hardware to customers who want these systems then the cost of production f boards goes down...DUH. Its all tied in.
WHat has changed from the past to now ? nothing, absolutely nothing in regards to what any owner of the OS could have done at ANY time.
This is much ado about nothing
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Amiga inc is not Amiga. Hyperion is not Amiga. Genesi is not Amiga. Never was - never will be.
We are Amiga.
Don´t forget.
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Pop quiz: Which declared bankrupt ex PhaseV co owner's close friend holds shares in Genesi on his behalf?
Must be me.
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I wonder why people are getting worried because of the KMOS deal.
For the first time in about eight years, somebody bought the rights for AmigaOS because of the actual product, not to increase the buyer's patent portfolio (Gateway) or because of the trademarkas (Amino).
Why the heck would KMOS spend money on AmigaOS (remember, that's all they acquired) just to dismiss it and replace it with Linux next year?
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Crown. you are right.
Lets not harp on about the feel of the OS. the OS is only part of the soul of the Amiga. The community is the rest.
The ease of use of the OS is simply our interface with a machine.
The original machine was magnificent. But the architecture would not stand the test of time these days. We have been needing to move on for some years now, and many of us have. Lets not forget that we were beyond what the competition could offer at the time. Now we are behind the times and it's time to catch up. To catch up we need an up-to-date OS. Won't be long now. But once the OS is up and running (and released!) we will have the entire community behind it & a significant product to be developed for. Development is the key to the future. Once OS4 is a product, a successful product, companies will be cueing to develop for it. Drivers, games and apps. The truth is, the drivers will be so simple to develop that companies would be foolish to miss out on the business opportunity.
I, for sure, will develop for OS4 +. Maybe nothing that you would consider commercial, but develop software I will. I and many others feel this way. I have programmed in 68000 & many other processors before it and have programmed in DE. But the truth is, there is an OS which is begging to be developed for, and the community, as has always been the case, will develop for it. BUT. In order to be head and shoulders above the rest, we need to develop at least a generation beyond the PC. When the PC developers were programming for the up and coming G-Force 6, we needed to be looking to G-Force 7. While audio is bound to 24 bit, we need to be looking to 32/48 bit. While PC programmers are looking to develop for the latest processors at the highest of Mhz, we need to sit back and say.......we have the Amiga ....the computer will do the work, it will share it's resources.......... it will divide it's work to the components we have installed, we do not need to worry too much about how fast our machine is or how high the Mhz rate is.
One thing is for sure.......Amiga is the soul of the OS and the programming that simplifies it's processes.
Forget Amiga Inc. They are gone.
Long live KMOS, because they own the soul of our Amiga's existance, not just the machine, but the community. Only they can decide what is done with it in the future. I only hope that their intentions are good. But I am sure that they will take it beyond what Amiga Inc. did with our beloved OS.
Please KMOS. Additionally fund our OS so that you may see some return on your investment. The hardware is already out into the public domain (A1). Please see some sense and make our dreams come true, as a community.
Fund AROS (hardware covergence)so that we can develop for all hardware systems.
Allow Genesi to use your code, for financial reward.
Give us all what we have been waiting for, for may many many years.
Our beloved Amiga.
Our heritage, our vision, our hope, our joy.
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IonDeluxe wrote:
That is already the plan, by selling the hardware to customers who want these systems then the cost of production f boards goes down...DUH. Its all tied in.
WHat has changed from the past to now ? nothing, absolutely nothing in regards to what any owner of the OS could have done at ANY time.
First of all you are completely wrong. Price of the boards sold by Eyetch is so little effected by units sold at this point that selling a bunch more to KMOS's customers isnt going to help. The board is costing $800 to the customer, thats alot of people in the chain getting fat, thats not a quantity waiting to made so the boards get cheaper. What has changed from the past? The OS has been moved in a shell game from a bunch of incompetant posers (ie Bill & Fleecy) to a person who wants to build set top boxes or hide it from the creditors. You think the OS will continue to grow if its used in set top boxes, thats true in some ways, but whats good for a settop box really isnt whats needed for a new OS. If a new feature isnt useful in a settop box configuration, no need to add it, because thats where they will have the most/all of their customers.
-Tig
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SHADES wrote:
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@ MikeyMike
I do sort of dissagree with you. It's a hard one
Other peoples Ideas do matter greatly.
Well that does depend on the support network around my idea.
If I am the only one with my Idea of what AMIGA is, then I have no real future because it won't change how I wnat it to, it will change how the majority wants it to go. what I am trying to do is find out what the majority is and if it will "suit my needs" If it's a "Windows" type of path, I won't be an AMIGA person anymore.
i guess I want to find out what exactly I am looking for, to give myself some sort of platform to go forth with. At the moment, my support network is a whole bunch of different opperating systems all claiming to be "What I want" it's no longer what AMIGA want, they just sold themselves off and do other things like DE which will not suit my needs. If that's the case, I am not an AMIGA person anymore, I am a KMOS, or am I??
Will Aorg now become KMOS.org?
I do understand what your trying to say, I hope you see what I am trying to say now. I am trying to find my identity, my needs need to be fulfilled and I want a support network.
If I am to be a KMOS user, so be it. Time will tell, it's a sad day for our legacy if that's the case because now the Future is very un-known.
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I agree with you 100% BROTHER!!! also, I think that EYETECH, GENESI, and HYPERION don't realize that this is bad news for them too, in the long run! and after OS4.................who's gonna care about Amiga compatibility when their is No Amiga to be compatible with? and after the AmigaONE, then what?........If any of us True Amigans leave now............I percieve it means leave for good and just going WindowsXP..............I for one have given 15 years of my Life to the Amiga, for this? all in the Hopes of a Ressurrected NEW Real AMIGA. What is a real Amiga? it is a Set Of Custom Chips and Hardware working together with software made by the same single company, because they know their own hardware best. Thats an Amiga!
I would buy a game console with a BoingBall on it wayyyyy before I buy some system that claims to be an Amiga with the name KMOS OS! slapping a logo on it doesn't mean squat to me if it isnt an Amiga...........Do you think I am gonna invest my money in some New AmigaDE cell phone? Puhleeeze! their is plenty of new and Tested technology out there already including software similar and better than AmigaDE. whats the point of the Amiga part in it?
Amiga selling off it's OS is the same as Microsoft allowing another company to make Windows, while they concentrate on BlueTooth Technology! No company in their right mind would do such a thing (unless maybe Amiga Inc has something up their sleeve........I Hope)
But this is almost the End for me. Once all facts are confirmed....I'm Outta here! Hello Windows!.I'm Freeeeee, I'm Freeeee!
Look for my Auctions soon on eBay! including an Amiga600 with 68030 and and SX-1 and CD32 w/SX32Pro..Amiga 1000's and 500's and tons of what i am starting to consider trash!
Call me childish, but their was once a dream i had for the Amiga...........now it has apparently dissappeared.......Now its time to grow up and go Windows with the rest of the brainwashed world!
I am really upset, can't you tell? Amiga Inc... please listen and please be foward with your supporters..whats going on?
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Who cares, as long as the OS is good? :-D
But yeah.. I am also kinda worried about the future AmigaOS versions.. I have not heard much about how this will affect AOS 4.2 and so on..
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DaveP wrote:
@Tigger
Follow the financial transfers, and even the attempted transfer of rights of the Amiga/Thendic contract.
Operation Shell Game indeed.
I have seen no documentation that everything was not done within the law (thus not a shell game). And everyone knew about it. I dont see people lying in depositions,
Or maybe, what you term a "game" is a normal part of running a business.
No DaveP as you well know.
The timetable as we now see it:
April 23 - Itek secretly acquires Amiga OS
April 30 - Bill McEwen says that Amiga OS is their most valuable asset in a sworn deposition in search of Amiga Incs money to pay Bolten Peck. Garry Hare also is featured in this deposition, and also Bill McEwen first admits that Amiga Inc is broke.
August 7 - Bill McEwen says the Amiga OS IP is an asset of great value in a deposition for the Thendic/Amiga lawsuit and that Amiga Inc has only $100 in their sole bankaccount.
Oct 7 - KMOS is formed
Oct 10 - KMOS secretly acquires Amiga OS from Itek
Feb 2003 - Amiga loses the lawsuit with Thendic
Feb 2003 - News of Garry Hare returns to the amiga community when posts that his company KMOS now owns Amiga OS begin to appear and are branded FUD.
Mar 2003 - KMOS and Amiga explain to the judge that KMOS owns Amiga OS and that Amiga has not owned it since April and they also release that as part of a press release.
See we have the secret sale of the most valuable asset of a company while they have financial judgements against them, all while the CEO lies about still possessing that assets, to both the washington state and the federal court system. See how thats different then business as usual.
-Tig
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We should all support MorphOS for now, until AmigaOS4 is out. Thats my words for this situation.
MorphOS is as fast as AmigaOS is on a real Amiga.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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AmiDelf wrote:
We should all support MorphOS for now, until AmigaOS4 is out. Thats my words for this situation.
MorphOS is as fast as AmigaOS is on a real Amiga.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
How's your new Dreamcast based Amiga comming?
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You know when I first came on this website back in like 2000 I think it was (who knows.) I've came then took a hiatus from the Amiga community. Then I came back again back in 2002. Well here we are now in 2004. I'm still getting that nasty feeling of Deja Vu...
If Amiga INC doesn't want to do anything with the OS, why don't they just say so? I guess it's not my place to say much, or judge but, Christ. Taking over 4 years to get it together? I guess a shadow of doubt is better , instead of insulting people with all this scandal..
Oh well , back to excessive drinking.. :pint:
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First of all you are completely wrong.
First of all YOU are completely wrong.
Show me 1 piece of proof that eyetech are swindling the consumers and getting "Fat"
they have a price, you pay it or dont, thats up to you, but it is certainly no base to start implying misconduct by Eyetech.
While i cannot PROVE that the price will reduce, its a good bet that once the orders for boards go from 100 lot batches to 1000 lot batches the price will drop considereably.
Furthermore as EYEtech are responsible for the design, they are not going to cripple thier board which will prevent them from using it for other customers just to supply KMOS with a set top box.
KMOS wont stop development or crimp development if Eyetech is selling thier boards in volume to industrial companies as is thier publicized plan, and has been their plan for some time.It would be foolish to do so as it would mean less sales of thier OS.
It is my view that an expanded set top box is the way things are going to go. With HDTV and other digital t.v. solutions, cable tv, MP3, dvd's, normal music, CD's, recording, radio, home entertainment(computer games) all being seperate pieces of equipment, a set top box combining all these functions, and even serving them to the rest of the household as well as providing a home gateway to the internet and a powerful home PC to-boot, is going to absolutely kick ass. I am already seeing moves in this direct direction and it is only a matter of time before it happens. If KMOS can position the Amiga with AOS4 in this market well enough, we will be home free.
I am so sick of people just tearing things down without even considering the possibility that something might actually be good.
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SHADES wrote:
Let's just say if it was AMIGA OS at heart but called KMOS or whatever
The AmigaOS name no-doubt cost KMOS. So why would they spend money acquiring the brand name if they had no intention of using it?
Your argument just doesn't make any sence. It will be called AmigaOS.
What's to stop them from saying, forget KMOS OS, look at KMOS Linux.
Nothing. Nothing at all. I seem to remember Gateway trying to turn AmigaOS into a Linux clone anyway.
If it happens, wrestle with your conscience at that point. I did... and it's ultimately why I ended up being one of those non-existent WinXP users sitting on the fence waiting for sanity that certain people in this thread say don't exist.