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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: paulgerman on March 19, 2004, 01:25:09 AM
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I dont want to start a war here , but i wonder what is going to be the diference between OS4 and MorphOS .
in this point which one is more advance , and someone with a good knowledge of this 2 OS can give a full comparison ?
than for your time
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The color depth of the icons. Oh, MoprhOS is free too :-)!
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1) AmigaOS 4 will use Reaction as a core GUI interface, and MorphOS will use MUI.
- I don't know what the latest version of Reaction is like architecturally, but I know that MUI is praised for its architecture, even if it is a bit more resource heavy. With PowerPC machines this isn't a problem, so probably a win for MUI, pending more information on Reaction. Then again, as long as they do the job and provide a full set of widgets and layout features who cares?
2) AmigaOS4 has native PowerPC TCP/IP stack
3) MorphOS currently has a prettier icon system
4) Both have themeable and configurable interfaces
5) AmigaOS4 is stuck with Workbench without many improvements until the new version is written. MorphOS has Ambient, which although I haven't used it, may have more modern features. Certainly icons, et al, aren't that hot on AmigaOS4 at the moment, although not terrible.
6) They both are a long way away from what a well funded OS team like Apple's can create.
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@paulgerman
Thankfully most of the flamewar stuff has died down a bit. Both OS are beta and have proven their mettle so most of the "it'll never work" people on both sides have presumably choked on humble pie :-)
As for the degree of advancement, both OS's are technically beta so it's a little pointless to compare, unless time is important to your decision.
Anyway, I don't really know enough about morphos to give a valid opinion on it. I do hear it has excellent 3.x compatibility, I also hear the Ambient desktop environment lacks in functionality compared to workbench.
Personally, I'm rather happy with OS4 :-)
For proper balanced opinions, we need people like Wilse who own both systems to give us their view...
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Also worth mentioning is that AmigaOS4 will have a PPC based 3D graphics system. for some reason I feel confused about the details, but I believe it's an updated version of Warp3D?!? Anyway, considering it's Hyperion's baby, and Hyperion are basically game programmers at heart, I'd expect it to be fairly decent. Not sure what MOS offers in this department.
- Mike
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For 3D in MOS?
At the moment it's PPC Rave3D with a Warp3D wrapper. (You can run both Rave3D and Warp3D games.) Umm... If I remember correctly, there will be an OpenGL (or was that TinyGL) library in the near? future and Rave3D support will itself become a "wrapper".
Although, for the MOS users that are running on Radeons, they won't have 3D support before 1.5. (Not sure how near that is. :P) I switched over to a Voodoo3 (AGP) in the mean time myself.
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@Hattig
RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK), and most importanly it is still
just as unreleleased as as AmiTCP-PPC for MOS.
Lets wait and see who will actually release a working TCP/IP 1st.
Rave3D is a bit more advanced than the current Warp3D, and both
teams have demoed 3D-drivers for Radeon7xxx.
"Jungl" is allready been worked on, while W3D-Nova is still a
stack of empty papers (or what does the term "white paper" mean ?)
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MOS allready has an intregrated and fully native RTG-systems, while
OS4 will keep the "patch in" aproach for P96 for the time being.
(this means it will bje limited to the old pen-based system).
And P96 still isn't native.
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Kronos wrote:
"Jungl" is allready been worked on, while W3D-Nova is still a stack of empty papers (or what does the term "white paper" mean ?)
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:roll: I assume you know all about it then.
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paulgerman wrote:
I dont want to start a war here , but i wonder what is going to be the diference between OS4 and MorphOS .
in this point which one is more advance , and someone with a good knowledge of this 2 OS can give a full comparison ?
than for your time
troublemaker :lol: ;-)
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Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though? I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.
:pint:
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@Kronos
Roadshow is (and has been for quite a while) ppc native.
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I can't speak for OS4, I don't have any access to the betas. But MorphOS is a mature, stable, polished Amigalike OS with only a few very minor niggles left (and I get the feeling that they're already fixed but right now only the core developers are allowed to have the updates. :-P). Its 68k<->PPC layering is very well designed and you can use Amiga 68k apps totally transparently without knowing or caring what they are. It's 68k emulator is incredibly fast and even faster with Trance (Hotspot JIT) running. You can even run Amiga WarpOS, Warp3D and PowerUp applications with no changes. Q-box sandboxing offers a future where MOS will be a fully capable modern OS with *true* memory protection and all the features expected these days.
MOS's biggest weakness is Ambient, its weak and undeveloped Workbench replacement. Apart from that, it's superior in every way to classic AmigaOS and the ultimate upgrade. MorphOS is an extremely well designed, well implemented AmigaOS clone with all the design features that anyone wanted from a PPC AmigaOS. OS4 will have to be *very* good to come close.
Oh and MOS will get PPC native TCP/IP stack, AmiTCP5 when 1.5 is released.
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Kronos wrote:
RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK)
:-)
(this means it will bje limited to the old pen-based system).
To a degree, but do you really think they allocate pens for all those truecolour bitmaps and gradients? Also, the icons, while not 24bit (yet), don't steal any pens.
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paulgerman wrote:
I dont want to start a war here , but i wonder what is going to be the diference between OS4 and MorphOS .
in this point which one is more advance , and someone with a good knowledge of this 2 OS can give a full comparison ?
than for your time
Well... If we ignore obvious politics, and differences on produict name and apparent readiness to end-users ... Not much.
Afterall, they are both Re-written PPC implemenatations of old AmigaOS API with intergated 68k code emulator for allowing old programs to be used for transition period. Both will (hopefully, predicting future ain't that easy) have essentially all the same features as other.
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@Kronos
Kronos wrote:
@Hattig
RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK), and most importanly it is still
just as unreleleased as as AmiTCP-PPC for MOS.
Where do you get your information from... :roll:
RoadShow most certainly is in PPC form, I have it right here. And as for being unreleased, true, not to the public yet but I've been using it as my TCP/IP stack in 3.9 and 4.0 for the last three months...
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Slash wrote:
@Kronos
Kronos wrote:
@Hattig
RoadShow is still 68k (AFAIK), and most importanly it is still
just as unreleleased as as AmiTCP-PPC for MOS.
Where do you get your information from... :roll:
RoadShow most certainly is in PPC form, I have it right here. And as for being unreleased, true, not to the public yet but I've been using it as my TCP/IP stack in 3.9 and 4.0 for the last three months...
:lol: Looking forward to get AmigaOS 4.0 :-D
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Kent wrote:
Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though? I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.
:pint:
Hi' Kent
I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?
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Guys, any chance of making clear a few things OS4 does have? Or is that against NDA? The thing is, if you aren't using a beta of it, you won't and can't know what it can do yet.
Well there's the featurelist on the AmigaOS site.
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mikeymike wrote:
Guys, any chance of making clear a few things OS4 does have? Or is that against NDA? The thing is, if you aren't using a beta of it, you won't and can't know what it can do yet.
Well there's the featurelist on the AmigaOS site.
Would that be the Amiga Inc. AmgiaOS website? :roll:
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Would that be the Amiga Inc. AmgiaOS website?
Yes, but written by Hyperion before you turn your nose up at it before looking...
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Please, do not compare what we are not able to compare.
OS4 is not available for the end-user at all, MorphOS is but does
not have all of his features yet, so it's a bit pointless.
We could compare the feature list of each one, but we know all, that
some features will be added/removed for some reason.
Or we can compare of what we have heard...
Someone talk about Roadshow he use everyday for 3 months, great,
but it's not available at all, Amitcp 5 is also accessible to the
MorphOS developpers but not to the end user too.
So we can't say, one has a tcp/ip stack and the other one, no.
The only thing we can tell is, MorphOS is actually available to the
end-user in its beta-stage and OS4, no. Period.
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Hoya!
I agree.
Before bashing OS4, wait for it to reach the same state as mos.
The fact it keeps on being delayed DOES NOT mean it is crap!
N'est-ce pas, KennyR? ;-P
Be funky
M A D
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@ Van_M
Oh, MoprhOS is free too
Really? Where can I download a recent version for my ppc amiga?
TheFab wrote:
Please, do not compare what we are not able to compare.
OS4 is not available for the end-user at all, MorphOS is but does
not have all of his features yet, so it's a bit pointless.
Yup I agree. Theres no need for a new os4 vs. mos thread every week or so imho.
@ paulgerman
If you really are interested in os4 vs. mos "discussions" you can search the a.org forum, there should be lots of threads on this topic. But like TheFab said it all makes no sense until os4 is released. If you read an os4 vs. mos thread you will know what we mean :lol:
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hnl_dk wrote:
Kent wrote:
Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though? I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.
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Hi' Kent
I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?
I don't know for certain, but I do know that Roadshow as/is already runs on MorphOS. I even emailed it's author to see about buying a copy to use on my MOS bos.
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@Karlos
Don't shoot me for sugarcoating what Hyperion themself said
about W3D-Nova. It is still in the design-phase, they did
use the term "white paper" (and how did you expect me to
resist to such an oppotunity :-D ), and they also stated
that it will be implemented after OS4 is released. Maybe
something has changed an the meanwhile, but then they must
have been an awfull lot quiet bout it, something that is
rather hard to believe...
@xeron
Truecolor-Images were never a Problem since OS3.0 (and since
HW capable of it was available), but those can only used with
the limited functions in CGX/P96, which all are either based on
manipulating 1 pixel or an rectangle area. Try to draw a circle
with that, or have really colorfull GUIs (ain't talking bout
skinning here).
@mikeymike
Featurelist are rather pointless as they can allways be changed,
and since they don't answer the most important question, when
will a feature be implemented. We allready had a lot of
"we have Radeon,JIT, Snap ....." lots of those were just being
licenced/started on at the time the were 1st listed under "we have ....".
@MAD
The fact that OS4 is constanly delayed, while MOS is avaiable
is a major factor, and therefore should go into every fair
comparison. Much much fairer then the constant attempts to
compare "the MOS I saw last year" with "the OS4 thats gonna
be bug-free" one sees from time to time.
/me empties a sack of ash over his head due to RoadShow :-P
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You know, I promised myself I'd not post my comparison of MOS vs OS4, but you know, with all of the goodwill happening on both sides, I figure it can't hurt. Understand, I do not know the inner workings of OS4, so my data is based soly on reading the featurelist and the various reports from the Friedens (ignoring Herman's statements, no offense Ben. You're a great guy, but not a coder):
Emulator: MorphOS has Trance, OS4 has Petunia.
API support: MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS. OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API.
3D support: MorphOS already has PPC native 3D from Rave3D + a Warp3D layer with a GL system (JunGL) in late development. OS4 has thus far only mentioned Warp3D + some new system called NOVA (No idea if it is GL-based or not) along with a MESA port not yet under development (as of October, last time I checked).
Desktop: MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support. OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system.
TCP/IP: Both systems have a native PPC stack under development. From tests, performance is very comparable.
Game support: ignoring 3D which was discussed earlier, OS4 has a more advanced interface API/driver system than MOS. In addition, OS4 lists more supported sound cards than MOS.
Included software: MorphOS's bundles many registered programs with the system (like MUI, Voyager, etc) + offers the Superbundle. OS4 includes only lists freeware or shareware versions of core applications (such as IBrowse). Pretty understandable based on each OS's development status, however. (Don't begin cutting deals for registring software till you're ready to ship)
Architectural design: MorphOS designed the core module then developed a sandbox for classic applications. OS4 developed the classic support, with future plans for the core system to be changed/evolved. I did not discuss ExecSG or any other of OS4's new capabilities in this dept, because all I can do is guesswork based on published docs, not all of which are clear at this time.
My judgement on all of this: MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4. Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years. At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished. This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here. I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years. But imagine where MOS will be by that point.
This is just my personal viewpoint, feel free to express yours.
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downix wrote:
hnl_dk wrote:
Kent wrote:
Isn't Roadshow going to be released for MorphOS once OS4 is out though? I thought I remember seeing something mentioned about that.
:pint:
Hi' Kent
I have never read it from a reliable source, do you have a link?
I don't know for certain, but I do know that Roadshow as/is already runs on MorphOS. I even emailed it's author to see about buying a copy to use on my MOS bos.
Ok, have not tried RoadShow myself, but if it is as good as I have heard, then I hope that you will be able to get a native MorphOS version :-D
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...API support: MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS. OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...
MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)
...Desktop: MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support. OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system. ...
If you are thinking of the icons, remember that in AmigaOS 4.0(beta) every icon has it's own palette
... My judgement on all of this: MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4. Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years. At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished. This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here. I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years. But imagine where MOS will be by that point. ...
Remember the AmigaOS4 development team has not been starting from the scratch... AmigaOS has been under development since 1984...
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Kronos wrote:
@Karlos
Don't shoot me for sugarcoating what Hyperion themself said
about W3D-Nova. It is still in the design-phase, they did
use the term "white paper" (and how did you expect me to
resist to such an oppotunity :-D ), and they also stated
that it will be implemented after OS4 is released. Maybe
something has changed an the meanwhile, but then they must
have been an awfull lot quiet bout it, something that is
rather hard to believe...
It's not so much what you say, its the totally condescending "talk down to the inferiors" way in which you *always* address people.
As for your point:
So Nova won't be implemented until after OS4 is released. Why is that such a minus point compared to MOS? I suppose you mean JunGL was integral back when MOS was a flaky alpha version running on CSPPC and didn't just come around until MOS was already reasonably polished on the Pegasos?
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hnl_dk wrote:
...API support: MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS. OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...
MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)
...Desktop: MorphOS has full top-to-bottom 24/32-bit color support. OS4 has various elements still using an 8-bit pen-based system. ...
If you are thinking of the icons, remember that in AmigaOS 4.0(beta) every icon has it's own palette
... My judgement on all of this: MorphOS's list shows that it is more mature, more "ready for prime-time", but this is not a negative slam against OS4. Remember, MorphOS has been under active development for going-on 5 years, compared to OS4's 2+ years. At twice the development age, of COURSE MorphOS is more refined, more polished. This is not exactly a huge leap of logic here. I fully expect OS4 to rival MOS's current features in another 2.5 years. But imagine where MOS will be by that point. ...
Remember the AmigaOS4 development team has not been starting from the scratch... AmigaOS has been under development since 1984...
That only applies if you really think the AmigaOS sources are worth anything...
As many have tried to explain, the original sources are for all intents (excuse the pun) and purposes worthless. All credit to Hyperion, they have done a lot of work to get OS4 ready.
People seem to think the original sources have some magic incantantion written into them... they don't, they are of far less value than the ROM Kernel Manuals.
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@Karlos
Problem is that is not what I said ....
I said :
"Jungl" is allready been worked on, while W3D-Nova is still a
stack of empty papers (or what does the term "white paper" mean ?)
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Note that Jungl is NOT Rave3D but the full OpenGL-port that Neko
has been working on for a while (and still isn't released).
This GL-port is gonna be the counterpart for Nova, which will
be implemented after OS4 is released .....
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I was going to say, the big difference is whether something is released or not, but neither are fully released...so maybe its not such a big difference after all.
MorphOS basically requires a purchase of a peg board, you cannot download it or get it separately...and buying a peg board is a huge problem, as there are no regular channels to buy one. Pay in advance type of thing.
AmigaOS is not publicly available at all.
still a sad situation.
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Is OS4 still the fast java-ish os, or did it become just an hardware dependant OS like every OS, but then AmigaOS?
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OS4 and Java have absolutely no relation at all.
Hardware dependent like every other.
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mikeymike wrote:
OS4 and Java have absolutely no relation at all.
Hardware dependent like every other.
I think he's talking about the "Original" AmigaOS 4.0... you may have to read some really old Amiga Inc. Press Releases though...
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"Is" tends to indicate present tense :-)
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@ MarkTime
That's not true, I have never pre-paid for any of the Pegasos boards I
have bought. Choose a dealer that doesn't charge you until they ship.
No problem at all! :-)
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hnl_dk wrote:
...API support: MorphOS supports AmigaOS's API + PowerUP and WarpOS. OS4 only supports AmigaOS's API. ...
MorphOS supports AmigaOS 3.1's API + PowerUP and WarpOS ... AmigaOS 4.0(beta) supports AmigaOS 4.0's API (big difference)
What is the difference ?
MorphOS and OS4 has the same "goal in mind" replace and improve the AmigaOS using PPC processor.
The main diff is the "way" the OS is done. Also, MorphOS is "older" than OS4, and could have been "selected" to be the AmigaOS 4 some years ago. But Amiga inc choosed Hyperion instead.
MorphOS is: available, fast, stable, under heavy dev
OS4 is not available, and I can't really say anything else because last time I use it was 5 mouths aga (and it was slow/unstable).
Bye
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bloodline wrote:
I think he's talking about the "Original" AmigaOS 4.0... you may have to read some really old Amiga Inc. Press Releases though...
Urgh, I feared about that...
I rather liked the idea of AmigaOS running on Tao's intent (wich supposed to be quite h/w independant wasn't it?)
I didn't have internet for a long while, 'till approximately when I began posting here on Aorg, so in the meanwhile, I haven't heard about it, and I assumed that it was still the same, but, of course, delayed (wich, obviously, everyone could expect)
So 2 or 3 years ago I posted on the Amiga.com forum.
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IMHO opinion this whole discussion about OSs is moot.
Ultimately we all want the Amiga platform to reclaim its legitimacy in the public eye.
This does not come by selling a hardware agnostic OS like Linux. It comes from having a BOX like a Mac with a big bold AMIGA logo.
If this were not the case we'd be happy with advancing the OS UAE uses. Or we'd be seriously going with AROS and not discussing this any further. Amiga Inc even realised that hardware agnosticism will be selling the Amiga platform short and got hardware deals going.
But we're all sitting around waiting for what????
An AMIGA BOX!!!!
The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you. ITS STILL NOT AN AMIGA BOX!!!!
As stupid and as crass as it sounds having an Amiga is akin to making a fashion statement. AMIGA is the label.
AND YOU DO WANT THE LABEL. ADMIT IT!!!!
See my avatar. You're already reacting emotionally to it. Notice it does not say Pegasos or Genesi.
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That might be true if the Amiga name wasn't now a joke, having been dragged through the mud by years of delays and vapor. And a $800 motherboard isn't going to win any converts either, no matter how nice the whole setup looks.
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BigBenAussie wrote:
IMHO opinion this whole discussion about OSs is moot.
Ultimately we all want the Amiga platform to reclaim its legitimacy in the public eye.
This does not come by selling a hardware agnostic OS like Linux. It comes from having a BOX like a Mac with a big bold AMIGA logo.
If this were not the case we'd be happy with advancing the OS UAE uses. Or we'd be seriously going with AROS and not discussing this any further. Amiga Inc even realised that hardware agnosticism will be selling the Amiga platform short and got hardware deals going.
But we're all sitting around waiting for what????
An AMIGA BOX!!!!
The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you. ITS STILL NOT AN AMIGA BOX!!!!
As stupid and as crass as it sounds having an Amiga is akin to making a fashion statement. AMIGA is the label.
AND YOU DO WANT THE LABEL. ADMIT IT!!!!
See my avatar. You're already reacting emotionally to it. Notice it does not say Pegasos or Genesi.
I don't think the Amiga Name really hold much attention now :-( Amiga Inc. killed it...
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> I don't think the Amiga Name really hold much attention now Amiga Inc. killed it...
Look at responses to Amiga-related news on Slashdot over the last few years. The Amiga name has not been worth much for a long time. Sad to say, but true. All those guys know what Amiga was, but when something about OS4 comes up all they want to talk abot is how their A500/OS1.3 would never be useful today so why bother with OS4... It's only worth something to the Amiga community, no one outside us remaining users cares...
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Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(
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angrybrit wrote:
Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(
There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is. The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga. Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"
Sad really. :-(
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What the hey?
My whole response got removed.
It wasn't that inflamatory!!!
Was it???? :-?
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BigBenAussie wrote:
The Pegasos BOX is out and not everyone is buying it, so what does that tell you ?
The Amiga One is out, and not everyone is buying that either...
What does that tell us??
Ever thought that people might be waiting for OS4 to come out so they can finally compare the two systems and decide what they want to buy?
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I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point.
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Man, I'm glad I've been away from the community for as long as I have. You're all traumatised and bitter and unenthusiastic because of how these companies have acted. I can see why of course.
But to tell you the truth. I don't care.
And newbies wont care either. There is a lot of good will out there towards the Amiga. We just have to make sure the expectation matches the experience. Currently it does not.
The release of the Amiga One board is just the release of a board. It is the release of a complete switch on and go box with a big fat Amiga logo on the front that will pull in the people both sitting on the fence, and those wanting something different.
Somebody said that people rememember the Amiga for the A500 and its slick smooth scrolling games and music. So be it. Its all good. What we want to have is a slick, almost console like, home computer. A leisure computer. A console I can use as a computer. That's what the Amiga started as, and that is its roots. The OS needs to get slicker to match. IMHO it never quite got there and its not there yet.
Lets see what Gary has in mind.
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what is going to be the diference between os4 and MorphOS?
10 pints and a bag of crisps...
downix wrote:
I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point.
Speaking purely from a coding perspective...
I don't know enough about morphos' design, but if uses the old shared library model, I find OS4 Interfaces superior to any existing shared code system in AmigaOS 3.x.
Slightly akin to C++ classes, they are more flexible (runtime polymorphism etc), faster (from a calling overhead persective) and cleaner, hence safer, to work with.
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This $800 board is not for converting people its for the converted. Its an early adopter penalty, you get that on any PC hardware as well. If it gains momentum, and I remain enthusiastic, then we will see a price drop that will result in a mainstream Amiga box to convert people with.
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@Nate:"I am still waiting for someone to actually point out a technical area where OS4 has a clearly superior point"
I don't think you'll get such a response from any technical person. But you should have plenty of non-technical people leap up with "points".
Frankly, I don't think it's possible to compare them. Perhaps if you drew up a large spreadsheet, you could assign weightings to the pros and cons of each, and work out a score, but no one would agree with it.
MorphOS has been designed from the ground up to be compatible with old AmigaOS APIs. Presumably some extensions have been added that are incompatible with the old APIs.
OS4 is a re-write of the old code that MorphOS was designed to be compatible with. Certainly extensions have been added that make new code incompatible with the old APIs.
Some of it has been completely re-written and is as modern (or more so) than the corresponding MorphOS feature. Some is just a re-compile of old 68k code for PPC, and the rest is somewhere in between. Oh, and there are some bits that exist only in 68k binary form and have to be emulated (eg ARexx). I don't know where they fit in the spectrum, but MorphOS probably has the same problem.
tony
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ottomobiehl wrote:
angrybrit wrote:
Most people in North America don't even know what an Amiga computer is. :-(
There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is. The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga. Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"
Sad really. :-(
Refer to http://techreport.com/etc/2000q3/fes/
as an example of the “Amiga name” in the mainstream press.
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@ottomobiehl
ottomobiehl wrote:
There are a lot of people (that I talked to) who know what Amiga is. The problem is that they don't know the current situation of Amiga. Most say, "oh, isn't that the computer from the 80's?"
At least they acknowledge it's existance. If you live some place like Indiana, where most of the people barely know what an AMD is (but can tell you all the race standings of NASCAR drivers), you will be very hard pressed to find people the really know what an Amiga is. I even surprised the one girl at our public library by identifying the video streamer on our public access channel playing InfoChannel, as an Amiga4000T. She was confused, as only one other person knows really anything about that computer. But she sure was tearing into her G4 with the luscious Studio style monitor though.
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Hi,
i like Peg/MOS but in the same time i doesn't like the way Genesi acts. (users "used" like betatester and so on)
I like AOne and MicroAOne (the real kick ass) with the incoming AOS4 . . .why? the first 2 things are:
TCP/IP native stack
CDRW as used floppies (a must)
I know, the delay is great but i prefer to see a real Amiga OS, with "real betatester" and not a perennial MOS in beta stage.
My 2 cents (in euros)
Ciao
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@Framiga
Huh ?
So Eyetech didn't use the people who bought an A1-SE with
crippled NB as betatesters ? They didn't use all those
suffering under unfinished linux-support and firmware as
such ?
And what about that developer-pre-release that is nothing more
than a-beta-that-can't-be-called-beta ?
Genesi atleast had the decancy to exchange those misfunctioning
mobos with fixed ones.
Also everybody knew what stage MOS was when the bought into it,
while I don't think a majority of A1-owners knew the real state
of OS4 at the time they bought the board.
And don't expect OS4 to be trouble-free once it is really
released ....
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by Kronos on 2004/3/21 10:49:54
@Framiga
Huh ?
So Eyetech didn't use the people who bought an A1-SE with
crippled NB as betatesters ?
NOT . . .never.
We have in the Bitplane Team, some AOS4 official batatester ALL under NDA. We cannot ask them NOTHING about the development (even if they are friends).
This is what i call a REAL and SERIOUS betatester.
Ciao