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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: weirdami on March 18, 2004, 10:55:32 AM
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I remember reading in one of those other AI/KMOS threads someone said something (bemoaning?) about how Amiga OS is now not being owned by a company called "Amiga". At first, it seemed weird, that fact, but really, it's not so strange. It started off being owned by Hi-Torro, right? Then that became Amiga something, then Commodore bought it. Then Escom, Gateway, Amino, Itec, KMOS. It's mostly been owned by companies not having "Amiga" in the name. Sure, there was Commodore-Amiga and Amiga Technologies and Amiga, Inc., but those were all owned by non-Amiga-in-the-name companies, or were called something else before becoming Amiga-in-the-name companies. Status quo. :-)
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weirdami wrote:
Status quo. :-)
On schedule and rockin' all over the world? :lol: Hahaha.. i'm as red as they get but I couldn't resist...
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One day I wil learn to code. That day I will start to contribute to the AROS project. When AROS is standing on it's own legs I will stop using Amiga or AmigaOS other than some occational 0ldsk00l-gaming.
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Since KMOS now owns AOS will it be renamed to KAOS ?
/Xter
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xtergo wrote:
Since KMOS now owns AOS will it be renamed to KAOS ?
/Xter
No.
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I'm not particulary "red" or "blue", but now what makes AOS4 any more Amiga than MorphOS?
It's developed out of house, by a largely unknown games company that specialise in porting really awful games.
And now we suddenly find out that it is funded by some unknown company that has dealings in "Wireless" and "Wired" software- whatever that means.
Suddenly the whole reason behind spending extra cash on the Amiga Tax for an A1 looks pointless.
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tangletown wrote:
I'm not particulary "red" or "blue", but now what makes AOS4 any more Amiga than MorphOS?
Its based on AmigaOS source code, its a licensed Amiga product, its the official successor to OS3.9.
It's developed out of house, by a largely unknown games company that specialise in porting really awful games.
Subjective, and irrelevant. (Edit: Quake 2, Descent Freespace, and Heretic II are really awful? Old, sure, but awful? I don't think so).
Suddenly the whole reason behind spending extra cash on the Amiga Tax for an A1 looks pointless.
What are you blathering about?
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What are you blathering about?
What I am "blathering about" (Thanks child) is that it seems that there is a large difference in price if you want to go down the "official" route. But now it's owned by KMOS, it's ties with Amiga look a little strained.
I'm wondering what effect this will have now to the amount of people that will come back to the OS, when they see that there is still an "Amiga Inc" business but the new software isn't supported by them.
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tangletown wrote:
there is a large difference in price if you want to go down the "official" route.
OK. I think the "large difference in price" can also be partially explained by heavy subsidy of the cheaper option. Anyway, I think the price of owning the "offical" solution is going to come down.
But now it's owned by KMOS, it's ties with Amiga look a little strained.
The boards were always subcontracted to Eyetech, the OS to Hyperion. KMOS are an Amiga licensee. It really doesn't change that much.
I'm wondering what effect this will have now to the amount of people that will come back to the OS, when they see that there is still an "Amiga Inc" business but the new software isn't supported by them.
We'll see.
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KMOS are an Amiga licensee.
I was under the impression, from what very little we all know of them, that they are a completely seperate company- and actually own the AmigaOS.
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They do own the AmigaOS, and they bought the rights to use the Amiga name as it applies to AmigaOS. Hmm... well, they're either a licensee, or they own the name Amiga as it applies to AmigaOS outright. Either way, theres your officiality.
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Are you sure they have rights to the name? I don't see any mention in any of the sources.
Let's hope you are right, cos I don't know how many people would like to use something called SkunkOS, TrampOS or whatever! :-P
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From the press release:
Mr. Hare continues, "I should point out, that except as they relate to the Amiga OS family of products, KMOS did not acquire the Amiga name, intellectual property or its DE line of products. These assets remain the property of Amiga Inc."
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So.......it's not going to be called AmigaOS(?) :-?
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xeron wrote:
tangletown wrote:
I'm not particulary "red" or "blue", but now what makes AOS4 any more Amiga than MorphOS?
Its based on AmigaOS source code
Why is that so important?
If I write a Copymem() function and you write a Copymem() which accept the same arguments and return the same result... what is the difference?
its a licensed Amiga product
What does that mean?
A bunch of guys with a prophensity to lie and spend other peoples money have given it their blessing... What use is that?
its the official successor to OS3.9
What does oficial actaully mean? or rather, what value does it provide.
I'm not getting at you Peter, but these are questions I asked myself, and why I don't support Amiga Inc.
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@tangletown
So.......it's not going to be called AmigaOS(?)
It is going to be called AmigaOS. Thats what I was trying to say.
@bloodline
Its based on AmigaOS source code
Why is that so important?
He asked me why OS4 is more "Amiga" than MorphOS. I didn't say it was important.
What does that mean?
A bunch of guys with a prophensity to lie and spend other peoples money have given it their blessing... What use is that?
See above.
What does oficial actaully mean? or rather, what value does it provide.
See above.
Personally, I just think OS4 is really good. Thats what matters to me ;-).
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Personally, I just think OS4 is really good. Thats what matters to me .;-)
That's all that should matter... and if that's your official line I'll support you :-D
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bloodline wrote:
That's all that should matter... and if that's your official line I'll support you :-D
Thats my official line. I think its brilliant.
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AmigaOS w/o AInc?
We don't yet know for sure that it is w/o AInc. The whole KMOS situation looks like a shell game, just shuffling assets and names around on paper.
That Hare apparently is "in" unfortunately doesn't have to mean that the rest is "out" (of KMOS, that is).
Besides, if it's even true that KMOS have owned and managed AmigaOS for close to one year already, there hasn't been much apparent progress, and no public communication whatsoever.
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xeron wrote:
bloodline wrote:
That's all that should matter... and if that's your official line I'll support you :-D
Thats my official line. I think its brilliant.
Hear, hear!
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We don't yet know for sure that it is w/o AInc.
I meant that to be without "amiga" in the name. I guess I goofed on the subject line. The whole point of this thread was along the lines of how not being owned by a company called by an "amiga" name doesn't make AOS4+ any less "Amiga". To make it not "Amiga", you'd have to find a company who's making something and just calling it "Amiga". Like Genesi. Sure, they're calling is MorphOS, but everyone knows what they're really trying to do is to pretend to the throne. They tried to get the Amiga name at one point, so one can only assume that they were thinking of announcing that "MorphOS is now going to be called AmigaOS".
Anyhoo.
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To make it not "Amiga", you'd have to find a company who's making something
and just calling it "Amiga". Like Genesi.
Like Amiga Inc? (DE)
Sure, they're calling is MorphOS, but everyone knows what they're
really trying to do is to pretend to the throne.
Before we start discussing what's pretend and what's real, let's keep
in mind which OS has been available for years, and which has been due
"real soon" for years. Aside from that, there's only one OS "throne"
right now, and it's occupied by MS not "amiga".
They tried to get the Amiga name at one point, so one can only assume
that they were thinking of announcing that "MorphOS is now going to be
called AmigaOS".
No assumption necessary, from what we know Genesi wanted an additional
OS running on their hardware. Renaming the OS was never the intention
(and would actually be a poor decision from a marketing/sales perspective,
IMO).
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weirdami wrote:
We don't yet know for sure that it is w/o AInc.
I meant that to be without "amiga" in the name. I guess I goofed on the subject line. The whole point of this thread was along the lines of how not being owned by a company called by an "amiga" name doesn't make AOS4+ any less "Amiga". To make it not "Amiga", you'd have to find a company who's making something and just calling it "Amiga". Like Genesi. Sure, they're calling is MorphOS, but everyone knows what they're really trying to do is to pretend to the throne. They tried to get the Amiga name at one point, so one can only assume that they were thinking of announcing that "MorphOS is now going to be called AmigaOS".
Anyhoo.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
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Bart: Not if you called them stench blossoms.
Homer: Or crapweeds.
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Or "the best way never to be unhappy is to not have a word for it" :-)