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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: redrumloa on March 16, 2004, 05:36:47 PM
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I started getting really curious about reading the old 'Ask Fleecy' on AW.NET. I seem to remember a few odd things that now don't make sense, so I wanted to go back and reference it. I'm getting a "You don't have permission to that area".
Huh? Strange timing to lock it. Anyone have it backed up?
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If you look in the Forum you'd see that the series has been cancelled.
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@samurai
yeah, but why lock it? It is like living in the USSR..."you're not allowed to know that, it has never happened"
:lol:
Maybe I'll get banned if I dare to ask why?
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Don't you know? AmigaWorld is just another commercial site of Amiga Inc and does whatever AInc wants. It's no forum, just a careful propagada exercise.
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Move along! This never really happened. You were never really here. :-D
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@KennyR
Yep, I know. But this only make them stick even more out as AmigaInc's mindless "ork's". Silly way to do PR.
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@redrumloa
IMO someone's accidently "locked" the module, not realising it'd stop access.
Anyone have it backed up?
Google (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Famigaworld.net%2Fmodules%2Ffleecymoss%2Findex.php%3Fcat_id%3D28&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) certainly has, and the Web Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20030602195636/http://amigaworld.net/modules/fleecymoss/) has some of the older ones.
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I've managed to locate all of them except weeks 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24 and 25, which I'm now frantically looking through my cache for :-D
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alx wrote:
@redrumloa
IMO someone's accidently "locked" the module, not realising it'd stop access.
Anyone have it backed up?
Google (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Famigaworld.net%2Fmodules%2Ffleecymoss%2Findex.php%3Fcat_id%3D28&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) certainly has, and the Web Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20030602195636/http://amigaworld.net/modules/fleecymoss/) has some of the older ones.
Given we now know that everything Fleecy said in those forums was junk... I don't think the locking was accidental :-/
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What do you expect from a site run by Amiga Inc puppets? community portal my ass, i just wish those b@stards would stay on aw instead of being like flies around sh1t (Amiga Inc) and infecting other Amiga sites.
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The phrase "You've been 'Fleeced'" comes to mind.
:laughing:
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Edit: Shut up, punkie ;-)
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The crap that was in there likely contains some pretty interesting crossover 'details' between AmigaDE and AOS4.x.
If this is a deliberate attempt to 'hide' this from the lawyer then it's a very shallow one and easily overturned if it contained 'critical' evidence...
More bizarre by the minute...
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IMO someone's accidently "locked" the module, not realising it'd stop access.
Is it far fetched to think that the aim is to prevent it from being used in the ongoing AmigaDE law suit?
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alx wrote:
@redrumloa
Google (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Famigaworld.net%2Fmodules%2Ffleecymoss%2Findex.php%3Fcat_id%3D28&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) certainly has, and the Web Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20030602195636/http://amigaworld.net/modules/fleecymoss/) has some of the older ones.
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I've managed to locate all of them except weeks 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 22, 23, 24 and 25, which I'm now frantically looking through my cache for :-D
I've got 1-12 and 26-27. I am missing 13-25. If anyone can fill in the blanks please email them to me. :-)
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Its a module access problem according to a mod at AW.net and will be fixed. Oops, did i spoil the fun :-)
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@Warface
IMHO suggesting that an experiened webmaster thinks that blocking permissions to a module makes the content inaccessible to a court is bordering on the absurd. Even though I appriciate a good conspiracy theory :-P
For those of you who don't frequent AW.net DaveyD's just said the following:
Sorry guys, we're having problems with the site's module access permissions. we will fix them asap
I realise that 50% of you won't believe that, but it definitely suggests that they will be restored - ie this is a load of fuss about nothing much.
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@step
Oooooh...
Nice timing, AW.net.
Doesn't exactly sound convincing, as all other modules work.
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alx wrote:
I realise that 50% of you won't believe that, but it definitely suggests that they will be restored - ie this is a load of fuss about nothing much.
If the Ask Fleecy are made readable again very soon then they'll be vindicated and it'll be the end of the matter. But you've got to admit the timing is auspicious.
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Admins locking parts of the site and quickly editing the Q&As to protect Moss would not surprise me one bit.
You knew what was going on but still mislead your members, what sort of poxy two bit admin are you? corrupt b@stard.
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I realise that 50% of you won't believe that, but it definitely suggests that they will be restored - ie this is a load of fuss about nothing much.
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Anything is possible.
Anyone have those missing sessions for me?
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And now I'm hearing that posts on the subject are being deleted from AW all over the place. Someone care to explain?
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>I realise that 50% of you won't believe that, but it definitely suggests that they will be restored
Naah.. this should have been done a long long time ago :lol:
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You know, out of ALL the conspiracy theories I have read over the years, THIS one is, by FAR, the best. :lol:
My only thing is, I'm glad that someone ELSE is in charge of the OS, instead of McEwen. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but he's done absolutely nothing in support of the Amiga OS, save a few 'executive updates', since the inception of Amiga, Inc. He's and his tribe have done nothing in support of it, save offering 'licenses' to people like Eyetech and Hyperion. Sadly, those are the few that actually care about the Amiga community, save the community itself. All he has done was split the community into three, warring parties.You've got the reds on one side, the blues on another and the people like me, who are grey, having chosen neither side, caught up in the middle.
We live in a world, where is is completely acceptable to mislead and lie to the masses. McEwen does it, Rumsfeld does it, Bush does it, Blair does it. So why are you so upset that Amiga Inc did it, when a majority of us knew or suspected it from the beginning. I'm still not sure why they bought Amiga in the first place. I mean, our OS has nothing at ALL to do with their DE operations, except in A) a name, and B)the promise of the DE being integrated into the OS, which was pruported as false in the court depostitions of Amiga Inc.
Honestly, Amiga Inc is in a world of sh!t. McEwen has commited purjury, documents have been falsified, people have been ripped off. (Note, my choice of words are quite my own opinion, but tell that to the thousand or so people that gave up 50$ for a T-Shirt and coupon never recieved.)I could defend either Buck or McEwen for this, but I won't, just as I didn't defend Dr. Ryan Merlancia for his atrocious, criminal acts. The open fact remains that I WANT a PPC Amiga OS, for which I will gladly spend a grand on a new, proprietary motherboard and 'standard' parts. Is this not what we did, when Commodore was still around??!? What I won't do, however, is support a company that would blatantly disregard the community that's holding them together by a single thread, nor will I support a company that would openly mislead courts into thinking they aren't a viable, commercial company by selling the ONLY intellectual property they have to an unknown, paper company.
KMOS is more than likely, a red herring. This was probably done, in the hopes that it will prevent Thendic or anyone else, for that matter, in collecting the only IP Amiga, Inc has that is commercially viable. No one gives a damn about AmigaDE, 'cos Amiga's had PLENTY of time to get it to the market, but chose not to. Instead, they beat around the bush, took their time and gambled away the only market they had with a poor, poker face and a pair of two's. If you think I am wrong, explain to me why there was only ONE SDK released by Amiga Inc and that was almost 4 years ago??
I've said this before and I'll say it again: why are you all so suprised?? It's not like we didn't see it coming. We knew the risks and accepted them openly, just as we did when Escom, Viscorp and Gateway purchased the Amiga IP. Everytime, the company fell flat (with the exception of Gateway, but they got rid of the IP as soon as they could.) and by failing, it opened up a theory that the Amiga is 'cursed.' Yes, cursed by being purchased by companies with the same, ethical mentalities of Commodore, but not from it's own volition. If a company that HAD amiga roots and LOVED the amiga for what it was purchased it, we wouldn't be where we are today. That DIDN'T happen, however, so get over it already.
Amiga is doing just about everything they can to stay afloat, up to and including, criminal activities. It's not suprising. If you worked at a company, for which your livelihood is centered upon, that was failing, would you NOT do everything in your power to keep it aloft and afloat? I could go on and on about this, over and over again, but it won't make a bit of difference. Sadly, the number of Amigans has fallen to maybe a few thousand and those have been shredded by two men, who are fighting tremendously over a market that sadly, isn't worth the effort.
Still, I'll support Eyetech and Hyperion. They deserve it. I don't know if I'll buy an AmigaOne anymore, but I will actively and openly support them. As for Amiga, Inc. and Thendic, all they have done is pushed people to migrate (finally) to other platforms. Kudos to them, for destroying one of the few things I loved about computers. Let them fight like vultures over a diseased carcass. Typical.
Cheers!
-M
PS- Hey, Lempkee, sorry about your Miggy, Mate. Hope you get a new PPC soon. :-?
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My only thing is, I'm glad that someone ELSE is in charge of the OS, instead of McEwen.
Small point of fact please: We don't know if McEwen is involved in AmigaOS (via KMOS) or not. Until we know who -- or what --KMOS is (we may never know).
Thanks for listening,
Wayne
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Wayne wrote:
My only thing is, I'm glad that someone ELSE is in charge of the OS, instead of McEwen.
Small point of fact please: We don't know if McEwen is involved in AmigaOS (via KMOS) or not. Until we know who -- or what --KMOS is (we may never know).
Thanks for listening,
Wayne
Wayne, my point in that wasn't directed towards McEwen, so much as it was at Amiga, Inc. McEwen, however, IS the figurehead of Amiga, Inc and he DOES have a reputation of sorts to uphold as that said figurehead. I'm sorry, but releasing a news update about selling the OS a year AFTER it happened, ISN'T good business practice, nor is setting release dates that you cannot fulfill over and over again. That's the last attempt at freedom by a man hanging by a noose around his neck.
-M
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I understand your points, and can't disagree. I was only pointing out that, for all we know at this point, KMOS is Garry, Bill, and Fleecy Inc.
I'm not drawing any conclusions, and it's far too early to tell the impact that this belated "release" will have. I will say that it's VERY curious timing to me that they "release" this information at this point in the trial situation.
We all know, and most of us will admit that McEwen and Moss were the root of the problems with Amiga Inc. We simply don't know at this point if this move has been anything more than a shell game to avoid the loss of AmigaOS IP in a bankruptcy. It sounds very much to me as though Ben Hermans has known about it well before last year's Amiwest with his assertions that "even if Amiga Inc dies, OS4 is secure".
Wayne
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KennyR wrote:
And now I'm hearing that posts on the subject are being deleted from AW all over the place. Someone care to explain?
:lol:
Does that really need explaining?
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KennyR wrote:
And now I'm hearing that posts on the subject are being deleted from AW all over the place. Someone care to explain?
Now you are talking just bullshit.. Do a search in the forums, and then you will discover that the threads are still there..
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And the posts *indide* the threads are untouched?
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Step wrote:
Its a module access problem according to a mod at AW.net and will be fixed. Oops, did i spoil the fun :-)
Still locked...
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AInc can afford puppets? I dont know how they
keep T1s to their webserver up(or 110v AC for that matter).
hell, I dont know if they have the resources to buy
craft store marionettes and put on a puppet show, much
less command human "puppets" to revise their history.
Interesting read, though.
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huronking wrote:
AInc can afford puppets? I dont know how they
keep T1s to their webserver up(or 110v AC for that matter).
hell, I dont know if they have the resources to buy
craft store marionettes and put on a puppet show, much
less command human "puppets" to revise their history.
Interesting read, though.
Amiga Inc. puppets are like Penochio (spelling?) they have no strings... yet still they move :-D
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I wouldn't trust the moderators at "Amiga World", well one in particular. Heck, that is why i quit there.
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Well I hope all you people making wild accusations about AW and spinning crap conspiracy theories etc will eat your words and a piece of Humble pie.
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@IonDeluxe,
Yes, i am eating some pie at the moment. Yum! Yum! Why don't you ask "Mr MAC Man" MikeyC?
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Whats Mikey_C got to do with anything, he has not posted in this thread?
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@Everyone!
Stop the AW.net bashing. Now.
I'm sure there are reasons for the thread to have been locked. As a Xoops admin, I can very easily imagine that once the KMOS announcement was made, the "Ask Fleecy" column was "slashdotted" to the point of affecting their server.
I believe I would have -- in that case -- stated that specifically, but DaveyD isn't a crook or anything else and I really believe at this point that this is turning into just another thread by certain people to further their personal egos against certain admins of AW.net.
Face facts guys. Bill and Fleecy may still be involved in OS4 (we don't know who KMOS is), they may not, but in my personal opinion, the fact that AW.net went out of the way to try and support, as well as "believe in" Amiga Inc when it was feasible to do so is an honorable thing -- even if I didn't personally agree with the motivation of a couple of their admin staff.
Since Amiga Inc sold AmigaOS, there's nothing more to see here unless you're actually interested in TAO's Intent product, so let's go back to our respective corners and leave each other alone....
*OR*.... (and I know this stretches the imagination here), we could actually all drop the past crap and try to build something constructive for the future. I would prefer the latter at this point, but everyone would need to accept that there is compromise needed all around.
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Thomas wrote:
Now you are talking just bullshit.. Do a search in the forums, and then you will discover that the threads are still there..
Nope, if there's bullshit here it's not coming from me. I heard from reliable sources on IRC of people posting and their comments quickly deleted.
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Kenny, Thomas.
Enough. Please.
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Wayne wrote:
@Everyone!
Stop the AW.net bashing. Now.
Hear, hear
Wayne wrote:
*OR*.... (and I know this stretches the imagination here), we could actually all drop the past crap and try to build something constructive for the future. I would prefer the latter at this point, but everyone would need to accept that there is compromise needed all around.
You know, a good start would be if all the major Amiga sites formed a kind of union and clamped down on all the AW, ANN, AO etc. bashing. An Amiga network perhaps? A nice gesture of goodwill would be if all these sites provided direct links to each others sites from the homepage. This doesn't mean it has to be prominent. Perhaps near the bottom of the page. But surely it's time the Amiga Community sites themselves played an active role in this coming together/reconcilliation. :-)