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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: redrumloa on March 13, 2004, 08:54:57 PM
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I have listed 6 Prometheus boards on eBay (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=redrumloa&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50). Are you quick enough to get one before they are gone? That is $36 off the already newly reduced retail!
Why? Why not, call it market research:-D
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Awe man....
But you took off the free shipping!
Whassup with that!?!?! :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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If not for a) the fact my A4000's cpu is dead and b) I'm allergic to ebay, I'de be all over it ;-)
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MaDDuck wrote:
Awe man....
But you took off the free shipping!
Whassup with that!?!?! :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
It's all in the numbers. This is still a big drop in the price. :-)
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I know....
It's just shipping from hell (florida) to texas'll run me $7.00.....
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BTW, do you carry the Buddha Z2/3??
It seems that you're getting all of the other individual stuff??
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I just checked Anachronism Prometheus website (http://anachronismindustries.com/products/prometheus.html). You wrote there:
'With "Prometheus" and the updated drivers available at this website, you can connect to your Amiga an high performance graphics card, a good quality sound card and a fast network card.'
and
'Real transfer rates between PCI cards - up to 120 MB/s'.
Where are these drivers for 'good quality sound card'?
Where are working drivers for the Fast Ethernet card?
Don't you know that since three years the only working drivers for Promethus are drivers for Graphic and 10Mbps Ethernet cards?
Don't you know that due to the bug in hardware the Prometheus busmastering still does not work correctly?
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WHO's let Hell's doors opened?
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Another few questions.
How come the transfer speed is only 120MBps as opposed to the normal 133MBps of PCI.
Do you support the 8139 series or Realtek cards yet as they are one of (if not THE) cheapest and most common 10/100Mb cards around.
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How come the transfer speed is only 120MBps as opposed to the normal 133MBps of PCI.
Good question. I'll see if I can't get the answer for this.
Do you support the 8139 series or Realtek cards yet as they are one of (if not THE) cheapest and most common 10/100Mb cards around.
The RTL8029 (10Mb) is best current ethernet driver. There is an OpenPCI RTL8139 driver but it is incomplete and unstable. I hope to change this soon, RTL8139 SHOULD be the next stable driver in the near future.
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@tjaoz,
I don't know what your history -- hence your personal problem -- is with Matay but be careful here. I don't personally care what your history (or problem) is with Matay, but I would much rather you take these type things to e-mail or PM, since your current accusations have zero to do with the actual thread (outside of the word Prometheus).
In this particular case however, I'm going to let your comment slide, but you need to draw a thick line between Matay -- whose history you're constantly wanting to slander (for unknown personal reasons) -- and Anachronism Industries (Redrumloa).
As I understand it, Redrumloa's company simply bought out the remaining stock from Matay, so that company has absolutely nothing to do with the history behind the Prometheus, or whether or not any boards were "paid for" or any of the other libelous content you've been slinging lately.
In truth, please accept it this way. Jim's company bought out the remaining stock of a product, thereby taking Matay completely out of the picture. Anachronism's intent is seemingly to sell the rest of them (much as that company does with other Amiga products -- not to mention Redrum's personal Amiga ebay auctions). This is EXACTLY what a business does, and why it's called a business and not a hobby...
Matay's history in this case is FACTUALLY IRRELEVANT as he is out of the picture...
Now, if the guy behind Matay owes you money or something, take it up with Matay, but please stop jumping into public threads and trying to slander Redrum and Anachronism Industries simply because you have either a personal, or professional grudge against the history of the Prometheus and Matay.
Consider this our second formal request. There will be no more.
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Well said Wayne. Let's give the new owners time to realize an improvement in the product. This is an execellent price and if they can sort the drivers, then it will likely wind up in my A3000. I'll keep an eye on this.
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Well, I agree. If there are no sound card drivers, or working fast ethernet drivers then it should not be mentioned on the "new owners" website.
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I would have grabbed one if it wasn't for the fact that I have two non functioning A4000s :-( . Oh well :-) look forward to seeing your future products :pint:
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Holy freaking crap.
Just when I'd swore I'd never spend anymore on the classic hardware you have to tempt me with this!
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120MB/s is the real speed, 133MB/s is only a theoretical speed perhaps? :-)
I wonder... do I really need more than 120MB/s? I have managed everything with 12MB/s in years :lol:
@redrumloa, you take our precious cards from Europe to the States and tease with these prices... not fair... not fair at all :-D
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The 133 MB/s (actually, 132 MB/s) is the theoretical maximum burst speed for a 33MHz PCI bus. Remember, this is between cards on the PCI bus, and has nothing to do with DMA. Also, actual throughput is always much lower.
FWIW, the Zorro III bus has a theoretical maximum burst speed of 150 MB/s according to Dave Haynie.
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T_Bone wrote:
Holy freaking crap.
Just when I'd swore I'd never spend anymore on the classic hardware you have to tempt me with this!
3 down 3 to go at this price. Better hurry:-P
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by adolescent on 2004/3/14 12:54:19
FWIW, the Zorro III bus has a theoretical maximum burst speed of 150 MB/s according to Dave Haynie
FWIR, Haynie said some where around 30 MB/s burst, 25 MB/s (it's only 16 bit bus, correct?) substained. Zorro IV was going to be around 150 but he dumped the Zorro IV project for PCI when industry adopted PCI as a standard. Gotta get thenostromo's search engine fixed, it's in it's db somewhere from TeamONE ML.
Dammy
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adolescent wrote:
Well, I agree. If there are no sound card drivers, or working fast ethernet drivers then it should not be mentioned on the "new owners" website.
I am in contact with various driver developers, one of which has a fully finctional FM801 driver and partial working RTL8139 driver. I wouldn't put too much faith in attacks from a competitor who still markets the SharkPPC. Enough said.
Mark my words if I find any mysterious fatal hardware bugs that prevent busmatering I will be the first one to go public.
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dammy wrote:
FWIR, Haynie said some where around 30 MB/s burst, 25 MB/s (it's only 16 bit bus, correct?) substained.
Nope, Z3 is 32bit ....... but (you hate it when I say "but" don't you ?)
There are not enough pins free for 32bit address and 32bit data,
so they had to come up with a multiplexed design, where one would
1st transmit the address, and than the data, which offcourse only
makes sense when you plan to read/write more than 4byte continuesly ...
Thats why Z3 is so hard to implement, and used by so few cards.
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I just bought mine! Two left. Despite some of the current drawbacks, the price
was the deciding factor. I have waited this long for a PCI board, I can wait a little
while longer for some more drivers. As long as a SBLive driver comes out soon,
I will be happy.
C Snyder
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dammy wrote:
by adolescent on 2004/3/14 12:54:19
FWIW, the Zorro III bus has a theoretical maximum burst speed of 150 MB/s according to Dave Haynie
FWIR, Haynie said some where around 30 MB/s burst, 25 MB/s (it's only 16 bit bus, correct?) substained. Zorro IV was going to be around 150 but he dumped the Zorro IV project for PCI when industry adopted PCI as a standard. Gotta get thenostromo's search engine fixed, it's in it's db somewhere from TeamONE ML.
Dammy
It's 32 bit, and my info is directly from a Dave Haynie post. Note the "theoretical". The actual speed is something like 30 MB/s for burst, and 20 MB/s for random with an A3000 bus controller. So, to reach the theoretical 150 MB/s you'd need a much faster bus controller.
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redrumloa wrote:
I am in contact with various driver developers, one of which has a fully finctional FM801 driver and partial working RTL8139 driver. I wouldn't put too much faith in attacks from a competitor who still markets the SharkPPC. Enough said.
Mark my words if I find any mysterious fatal hardware bugs that prevent busmatering I will be the first one to go public.
Well, in development does not mean available. Right now your website says you can use them, which is false advertising. I'm not basing my information on any "attacks", only what it says on your website. And, IMO, there is no difference between your vapor, and Elbox's. "Enough said".
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If the FM801 driver is fully functional, then the website
states correctly. I see your argument, but I think this
in reading too much in between the lines. The bottom of
the page clearly states what is available and working.
Again the sound card issue is a gray area, but I don't
feel it is worth getting bent out of shape over. At a
$140, I am not complaining. I am sure the sound card
drivers will be available very soon.
C Snyder
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Glad I got mine when I did.
Since I already had the ethernet card and Voodoo card sitting here this was a no brainer. As far as I am concerned the Soundcard drivers would be icing on the cake.
Thanks Redrumloa.
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@billchase
@AltRN8
Thank you!
And then there was one... :-)
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I am sure the sound card
drivers will be available very soon.
I am in contact with the OpenPCI author and he says the only thing that has needed completion is AHI recording support. He states this is only about an hour of work, but he has lacked the time over the last year. He agreed to let me distribute the driver after testing.
So... It looks very promising. I hope to bring positive news very soon.
BTW: There is actually still ONE LEFT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4598&item=2794253503) at $139! :-o
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@Wayne
I don't know what your history -- hence your personal problem -- is with Matay but be careful here. I don't personally care what your history (or problem) is with Matay, but I would much rather you take these type things to e-mail or PM, since your current accusations have zero to do with the actual thread (outside of the word Prometheus).
(...)
Matay's history in this case is FACTUALLY IRRELEVANT as he is out of the picture...
Could you please read my comment, to which you response?
In my comment I did NOT even use the word 'Matay'. You are the only one who used word 'Matay' in this thread--you used it NINE times.
In contrast to my comment your comment is FACTUALLY IRRELEVANT and has zero to do with the actual thread.
To enlighten you--my post was related to the Prometheus sales/information policy of ANACHRONISM INDUSTRIES.
I cited the text from the ANACHRONISM Prometheus page. You can read there that drivers for a good quality sound card are available at this website. This is simply UNTRUE. You can check it yourself.
BTW. You can read more about the near-ready-to-release-since-three-years sound drivers for Prometheus at the Prometheus Mailing List (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amiga-Prometheus/).
Consider this our second formal request. There will be no more.
Please stop attacking me. In my post I wrote only REAL things.
In this thread I cited the text from the Anachronism website and I asked why this untrue infomation is there.
Is showing the real features of Prometheus something that you would like to hide before the readers of Amiga.org?
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@ELBOX (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1078776137&category=news&start=1&35#message10)
You can read there that drivers for a good quality sound card are available at this website.
You mean our under construction in progress website with cut and paste information? Not because of your bizzare fixation, but we have modified our website to remove the offending material. Anachronism Industries certainly would never mislead their customers with purley vapour claims such as SharkPPC accelerators.
[News] PPC board for the Mediator Link
Posted on 13-Oct-2000
ELBOX COMPUTER
Krakow, 12 October 2000
ELBOX COMPUTER is proud to announce the breath-taking new product: the most powerful PowerPC accelerator for Amiga 1200, 3000 and 4000.
The first SharkPPC G3/G4 cards for developers will be available by end of November, with production planned to commence in January 2001.
Mariusz Wloczysiak
ELBOX COMPUTER, Press Department
BTW. You can read more about the near-ready-to-release-since-four-years SharkPPC for Mediator at HERE (http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=0971437998.msg)
This vapour product is still touted on Elbox's website here (http://www.buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=330SP1G) and here (http://www.buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=350S1G).
Is showing the real features of Mediator something that you would like to hide before the readers of Amiga.org tojaz?
:roflmao:
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@Bodie
WHat's broken with them? I might be able to cannibalize a single working machine if the mobo's are dead.
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How can you call the SharkPPC purely vapor? Releasing to developers is not mean general public. They have said from the start that it will not be released until Amiga OS4 is released. I find these statements libelous and demand to have them removed from this message board.
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How can you call the SharkPPC purely vapor?
Because it is vapor for 4 years.
Releasing to developers is not mean general public.
No developers have gotten them.
They have said from the start that it will not be released until Amiga OS4 is released.
And to this day Hyperion states they have not received any board and it will not be supported.
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1. So is Amiga OS4.0. Are you saying that is vapor also.
2. I think it's improbable that you know all of the Elbox developers. Did it say anywhere that they were giving it to Hyperion or other external developers?
We'll see if Wayne cleans your libelous comments.
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1) It won an award for being a vapor product a couple times, so by definition yes.
2) Hyperion has made it clear that without hardware and documentation it cannot and will not be supported. I trust Hyperion to know their own product.
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@adolescent
By definition, until the SharkPPC ships, it is, in fact, vapor. As is OS 4.0, MorphOS 1.5, the Pegasos III, and Duke Nukem Forever. Libel is only the case when the comments are untrue, and so far I've not seen redrum post any intentional falsehoods.
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redrumloa wrote:
1) It won an award for being a vapor product a couple times, so by definition yes.
2) Hyperion has made it clear that without hardware and documentation it cannot and will not be supported. I trust Hyperion to know their own product.
No support? But... you just said it didn't exist... Oh well, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe OS4.0 will finally come out. Maybe the Prometheus will finally get a working sound card or fast ethernet driver. For now, it's just vapor and false advertising. At least Elbox is just making promises, not taking peoples money.
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OMG people, you are so damn cranky??? Wanna cookie, or a hug?
It's this what killed the Amiga community in the first run? Feel the love :love:
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adolescent wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
1) It won an award for being a vapor product a couple times, so by definition yes.
2) Hyperion has made it clear that without hardware and documentation it cannot and will not be supported. I trust Hyperion to know their own product.
No support? But... you just said it didn't exist... Oh well, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe OS4.0 will finally come out. Maybe the Prometheus will finally get a working sound card or fast ethernet driver. For now, it's just vapor and false advertising. At least Elbox is just making promises, not taking peoples money.
They're giving away the Mediator for free??? :-o
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@Dammy:
[Zorro3...]
"It's only 16 bit bus, correct?) "
No, It is a full 32Bit bus, with 32bit for data and 32bit for addresses.
Think a little about it... you couldn't have 64MB of memory on a Faslane Z3 if it was 16bit like ZorroII...
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Hey Crumb my friend, you can even have 256MB on a FastLaneZ3 with some other chip´s on the board. :-)
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Hey guys,
these OpenPCI ethernet/sound/etc. drivers for Prometheus...will they work in exactly the same manner with Grex as well, or are they Prometheus specific?
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Well they have all sold now anyway...