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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: arjanv on May 09, 2018, 09:35:25 AM
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Hi,
I've got my first Amiga 4000, and workbench was installed but i've messed up partitions and won't boot workbench anymore.
I've got a original OS 3.5 CD here.
How to install Amiga OS?
Should a A4000 also show the kickrom(purple screen)?
thank you.
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Purple screen is only shown if there is no bootable device. so a HD partition with bootable flag ticked should give you a CLI..
you need to start with your installdisk. you cannot boot on CD on An Amiga,.
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@Chucky
You can boot from a CD on a CD32 SX-1/SX32 system ;-)
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Hey welcome and congratulations you have the flagship amiga many ppl wish they had! Anyway, you will need the Workbench 3.1 disks to install the os and prep the HD. These are sold by numerous amiga dealers worldwide and are reasonably priced.
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Hi
Does that mean Amiga A4000 still needs CDrom drivers like A1200 and are not in the rom chips ? I Would of thought the CDrom drivers would be on the roms as the A4000 comes with a CDrom drive...
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I Would of thought the CDrom drivers would be on the roms as the A4000 comes with a CDrom drive...
They were never shipped with CDROM drive, as far as I know.
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@kolla
Crazy! Commodore produce the CDTV with all that investment in the CD-Rom technology as the future and then don't really support it with the AGA machines until the CD32! It's like Commodore's dalliance with LCD technology. Initially on the forefront of US LCD technology and then they sold it all off before laptops took off! Bad bad decisions :-(
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Not sure if it will be helpful to you but I created a two-part video showing the install process for 3.9 on Youtube a few years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMw8bStvG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufCuW--Q2nA
See if you can avoid making the mistakes I made. ;)
Btw you can still buy 3.9 here:
http://www.vesalia.de/e_os39.htm
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Btw you can still buy 3.9 here:
Doesn't help, does it? You need something on floppy disk which boots the computer and has CD drivers.
All you need is on the 3.5 CD, but without CD drivers you cannot read it.
BTW, 3.1 floppies don't help, either. You can boot the Amiga and install OS 3.1, but it does not have CD drivers. You also need IDEfix software or something similar to recognise the CD drive.
Unless the CD drive is a SCSI drive connected to a SCSI controller, probably on an accelerator. Then the CD drive is recognised and you can use the CD0 driver which comes with the 3.1 floppies.
Or in case the accelerator is a CyberstormPPC or MK3, then you might be able to boot from the SCSI CD drive by setting the relevant options in the firmware menu.
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Hi,
I've got my first Amiga 4000, and workbench was installed but i've messed up partitions and won't boot workbench anymore.
I've got a original OS 3.5 CD here.
How to install Amiga OS?
Should a A4000 also show the kickrom(purple screen)?
thank you.
or you can use the emergency disk that should have come with the machine.
It's made when installing the 3.5 or 3.9 system..
BTW, Welcome!
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on reboot hold the 2 mouse buttons and you should be able to see the autoconfig screen which identifies the type of controller used.
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Plug the hard drive into a PC. Mount it in WinUAE and install the OS, then put it back in the A4000.
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On the Workbench 3.1 you get a Commodore CD Filesystem.
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Crazy!
A little late to be shocked about CBM's bad decision making, isn't it? :)
Remember, when the A4000 was launched, CDROM drives weren't cheap, and IDE was still kind of a new thing, CDROM drives were actually mostly SCSI still. Making CD drive standard would have put the cost of the A4000 even higher than it already was. Main media at the time was still floppies, and they were plentiful, and pros already had networking. Both CDTV and CD32 use custom CD drives, because neither IDE nor SCSI drives were cheap at the time (and they were clunky as heck).
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On the Workbench 3.1 you get a Commodore CD Filesystem.
It comes with lots of issues though, you may want to use cachecdfs instead or simply wait for OS 3.1.4.
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I never knew they did not co me with CDROM as standard. I guess that was the thing people did back then was to add a CDrom drive. Which is why all the photos I have seen have all had CDROM drives.
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Here it is A4000 no CDROM drives oh my god look at them prices.
http://www.reviewmylife.co.uk/data/2010/0703/amiga-4000-computer_big.jpg
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Doesn't help, does it? You need something on floppy disk which boots the computer and has CD drivers.
All you need is on the 3.5 CD, but without CD drivers you cannot read it.
BTW, 3.1 floppies don't help, either. You can boot the Amiga and install OS 3.1, but it does not have CD drivers. You also need IDEfix software or something similar to recognise the CD drive.
Unless the CD drive is a SCSI drive connected to a SCSI controller, probably on an accelerator. Then the CD drive is recognised and you can use the CD0 driver which comes with the 3.1 floppies.
Or in case the accelerator is a CyberstormPPC or MK3, then you might be able to boot from the SCSI CD drive by setting the relevant options in the firmware menu.
Actually os3.1 floppy set has cd drivers(and its broken on 3.0) and such,but they only work with scsi cdroms,and the 4000 ironically has only ide. check for cd.device in L: and cd0 icon in storage
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@ OP
You can also get your hands on AsimCDFS on floppy, this along with the 3.1 disks will allow you setup the 4k to be able to install 3.9 *yes its a PITA.
Like the SACC guy said if you have the emergency floppy (sounds like you dont) it would be easy to install 3.9 straight away
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Purple screen is only shown if there is no bootable device. so a HD partition with bootable flag ticked should give you a CLI..
you need to start with your installdisk. you cannot boot on CD on An Amiga,.
purple kickstart screen is displayed about a long wait more than a minute.
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the cdrom is attached to a Golem FastSCSI/IDE controller
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Hi,
I've got my first Amiga 4000, and workbench was installed but i've messed up partitions and won't boot workbench anymore.
I've got a original OS 3.5 CD here.
How to install Amiga OS?
Should a A4000 also show the kickrom(purple screen)?
thank you.
Sorry, Thought the crowd chased you away.
Yes, all Amigas come up with the load workbench screen. The A1000 is the one that starts with a kickstart screen. This is because DOS (disk Op sys)
That can be the hard drive, but you said you messed that up..
So you need to use a floppy disk (3.1) to load workbench. Good news, this lets you fix your hard drive issues.
When you got your A4000, Did you get the six floppy disk set?
there's other ways too, But to help, we need info on what you have!
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Doesn't help, does it? You need something on floppy disk which boots the computer and has CD drivers.
Didnt OS3.9 (and 3.5) ship with a boot floppy that has the cd drivers to mount the cd and install the OS?
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Didnt OS3.9 (and 3.5) ship with a boot floppy that has the cd drivers to mount the cd and install the OS?
Not to my knowledge.
But before installing, making a a emergency boot disk was the first thing to do for both upgrades.
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Didnt OS3.9 (and 3.5) ship with a boot floppy that has the cd drivers to mount the cd and install the OS?
No, it didn't. I bought both the 3.5 and 3.9 CD's and none of them came with a floppy.
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The emergency disk is hardware-dependent. There cannot be one disk which works on all Amiga models and expansions. You have to make your own which works on your hardware.
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Yes, you are totally right (ofcourse). I was mistaken with AmigaOS 4.0, which did come with a boot disk.
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The emergency disk is hardware-dependent. There cannot be one disk which works on all Amiga models and expansions. You have to make your own which works on your hardware.
If you kludge it enough you can make one work. For example I once got the ERD disk from my A2000 to work for installing 3.9 on my A500 by deleting all the P96 screenmode stuff, but in general, this is correct. :lol:
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I made an OS3.9 emergency adf with fat95 and diskimage.device, quite convenient ;)
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I made an OS3.9 emergency adf with fat95 and diskimage.device, quite convenient ;)
All well and good.
This does not help the OP, he messed up his working system and doesn't appear to know how to fix it.
We can help, but it might be better if he goes back to the person who sold him the 4000 to get the "things" and info he needs to move forward.
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I have made a generic EBD, and there is enough room on the disk to put several CD0: devices, depending upon the various SCSI devices I may be using: scsi.device, cybppc.device, etc., and only uses LoRes mode which can be changed upon boot.