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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: curtis on January 27, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
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Has anyone successfully gotten the above working together in an A2000?
My IDE4Zorro2 worked just fine until I dropped the 030 board in and then it disappeared! Tried disabling the autoboot ROM and set the jumper for no SCSI drive installed and it still doesn't want to boot from the IDE board. It isn't even seen!
HELP!!!!
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Just a couple guesses, try removing the ROM completely from the GVP and move the IDE card into a closer slot?
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The IDE4ZORRO card is pure garbage. I have one, and it doesn't work with several different cards I have in my two A2000s -- one even being an X-surf-100 card. It doesn't comply to autoconfiguration guidelines, so, it essentially breaks autoconfig. It emulates the GAYLE chip on an A600, and, from what I have been told by Matze on A1K, it works by sheer luck only. Keep the SCSI and ditch the IDE card. I feel like I wasted $120 on a POS card.
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The IDE4ZORRO card is pure garbage. I have one, and it doesn't work with several different cards I have in my two A2000s -- one even being an X-surf-100 card. It doesn't comply to autoconfiguration guidelines, so, it essentially breaks autoconfig. It emulates the GAYLE chip on an A600, and, from what I have been told by Matze on A1K, it works by sheer luck only. Keep the SCSI and ditch the IDE card. I feel like I wasted $120 on a POS card.
Same here.... it won't even work with a Zorro2 adapter hanging off an A500. And I really dislike those 3.5" IDE ports. :(
I should mention that the only way I've gotten it work in my A2K with Blizz 2060 inserted is to build an AmigaOS on a CF separately then plug the IDE4 Zorro 2 card into the A2K w/o SCSI HDD connected to the Blizz 2060. If a bootable CF card is plugged into my PCD-50B, the IDE4 Zorro 2 Card won't even show up in the early startup menu. Weird. I can't set up a boot priority. I haven't really went IN DEPTH with the whole thing though. Just did a lot of swapping the card around in a couple of Amigas.
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Well nuts. Guess we can add the GVP 030 Combo board to the list of non-compatibles!
Tried completely removing the autoboot ROM and it still wouldn't recognize the IDE board.
Moved the IDE controller to several other slots with no luck either.
Guess I'm back to adding SCSI drives and CD-ROM instead of IDE.
Phooey! Was hoping to get to IDE so it'd be a bit easier to find drives if/when a drive dies.
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Well nuts. Guess we can add the GVP 030 Combo board to the list of non-compatibles!
Tried completely removing the autoboot ROM and it still wouldn't recognize the IDE board.
Moved the IDE controller to several other slots with no luck either.
Guess I'm back to adding SCSI drives and CD-ROM instead of IDE.
Phooey! Was hoping to get to IDE so it'd be a bit easier to find drives if/when a drive dies.
Individual is make buddha ide cards again.. scsi is much better,but that might be a option if you need ide.
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Ya know, for a computer that's supposed to be easy to use, it sure isn't easy adding hardware, sometimes!
So, I'm trying to install the GVP SCSI. Downloaded the appropriate driver (in dms format), ran the dms program I have (DMSWb) and all I ever get is NDOS disks!
As Capt. Dylan Hunt of Andromeda said, "It's never easy."
Now to amiftp to find a new dms program.
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I just picked up an IDE4Zorro2. Good to know about the Blizzard 2060 as that is where I plan to use it.
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Thanks for the heads up on the Buddha ide card. Had one of those WAY back when installed in an A500 with a Bodega Bay chassis. Had a bit of trouble convincing it the CF cards were IDE, but finally got it working. May look into that option.
Individual is make buddha ide cards again.. scsi is much better,but that might be a option if you need ide.
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I just picked up an IDE4Zorro2. Good to know about the Blizzard 2060 as that is where I plan to use it.
@LoadWB
Well, your mileage may vary greatly... I didn't pull any of the other cards (in my sig - thx for the heads up kirk_m) out when trying to see the IDE4Zorro2 with HDToolBox or HDInstllTools - tried both. I had the A500 and the A2K setup at the same time as I was also trying to get my very finicky Buddha Phoenix edition tested to do ANYTHING on either setup. The Buddha works great with the Zorro2 adapter on the A500 (thank Ipthar 'cause I was ready to chuck it!) - no go on the A2K. The IDE4Zorro2 will work with a preinstalled OS in the A2K but refuses to work on the A500 at all.
I think I also tried an old 3.5" IDE HDD on the IDE4Zorro2 but don't remember how that went - gonna need some adapters so I can try some 2.5" IDE laptop drives.
I REALLY need a 3.1 ROM for my A500 & I really wish I had another bare-bones A2K! (anyone have either to sell?) Anyhoo, give it whirl & let us know how you make out with testing.
@Curtis
Did you try your IDE4Zorro2 with a preinstalled OS on the CF or do you not have that ability?
BTW, nice price on the new Buddha though! Also, it still has a clock port on it!
Wait till you guys see my new experiment with the Buddha card utilizing the clock port, TruIDE, a Subway USB controller, a Realtek USB ethernet dongle and a Netgear ethernet SAN box hanging off the Zorro2 adapter on my A500! :eek:
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Well, put the Buddha card on order.
BTW, while I'm waiting for the Buddha card to make it across the "pond", does anyone have a GVP prep disk they'd be willing to make a copy of for me? I've been trying to d/l the latest, but for some reason I can't seem to get a good write from any of my disk masher programs. Always end up with an NDOS disk. Would really like to have it for the Combo card, just in case...
Who me? Paranoid? Nah, I'm just working on an Amiga!!!
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Curtis,
Make sure you send Jens a message to flash your Buddha with the fixed firmware. There are a lot of people, Acill and I included, whose cards don't work with anything other than the included Disk on Module. I tried several IDE HDs and CDROMS, and it wouldn't even detect them. Users over on A1K also have had the same experience. There is a fix in the works, but, it requires sending the cards back to Germany to have him update the Xilinx chip for you.
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Hopefully amigakit will do that.
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BTW, while I'm waiting for the Buddha card to make it across the "pond", does anyone have a GVP prep disk they'd be willing to make a copy of for me?
AFAIR the "prep disk" doesn't include anything other than GVP's horribly outdated HD prep tools and a mem tester. Can download better stuff off Aminet than what's on there. ;)
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Well, put the Buddha card on order.
BTW, while I'm waiting for the Buddha card to make it across the "pond", does anyone have a GVP prep disk they'd be willing to make a copy of for me? I've been trying to d/l the latest, but for some reason I can't seem to get a good write from any of my disk masher programs. Always end up with an NDOS disk. Would really like to have it for the Combo card, just in case...
Who me? Paranoid? Nah, I'm just working on an Amiga!!!
just use wb3.1 hdtoolbox if that is what you are after, works with any gvp device pretty much. just be sure to change the scsi.device to gvpscsi.device in the tooltypes or whatever you are working with. as others have said,nothing you really need on a gvp floppy.
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Curtis,
Make sure you send Jens a message to flash your Buddha with the fixed firmware. There are a lot of people, Acill and I included, whose cards don't work with anything other than the included Disk on Module. I tried several IDE HDs and CDROMS, and it wouldn't even detect them. Users over on A1K also have had the same experience. There is a fix in the works, but, it requires sending the cards back to Germany to have him update the Xilinx chip for you.
Wrong. "The CPLD update is only required if you want to use the Fast-Z2 mode of the Z4 board. For all other uses, the CPLD code is fine, and only a flash update of the firmware may be needed."
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1160132&postcount=363
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Wrong. "The CPLD update is only required if you want to use the Fast-Z2 mode of the Z4 board. For all other uses, the CPLD code is fine, and only a flash update of the firmware may be needed."
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1160132&postcount=363
Nevertheless, it's defective, regardless of the problem's origin. I have two of them, and, they both do not function as they should. I've tried them on both A2000s, an A3000, and my A4000. It's not just me that is having the issue with multiple IDE HDs and CDs not working on it. Several users over on A1K have tried in excess of 10 hard disks, only to have two of them work. Nothing works on mine other than the DOM it came with. It doesn't even detect the presence of the 5 or so HDs I've tried (all 20 year old drives that are known working on other IDE cards (FastATA 4000 MKVII, the A1K at-bus clone, the crappy IDE4Zorro card) on the Amiga with no issue).
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Nevertheless, it's defective, regardless of the problem's origin. I have two of them, and, they both do not function as they should. I've tried them on both A2000s, an A3000, and my A4000. It's not just me that is having the issue with multiple IDE HDs and CDs not working on it. Several users over on A1K have tried in excess of 10 hard disks, only to have two of them work. Nothing works on mine other than the DOM it came with. It doesn't even detect the presence of the 5 or so HDs I've tried (all 20 year old drives that are known working on other IDE cards (FastATA 4000 MKVII, the A1K at-bus clone, the crappy IDE4Zorro card) on the Amiga with no issue).
Of course, due to the update not being released yet.
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Thanks for the heads up on the Buddha ide card. Had one of those WAY back when installed in an A500 with a Bodega Bay chassis. Had a bit of trouble convincing it the CF cards were IDE, but finally got it working. May look into that option.
You can use jens real ide adapter with the buddha,which makes any removeable set cf card appear as a fixed disk.
I think u can also use INDUSTRIAL cf's to get around this because they are set as default to fixed disk..
EXAMPLE HERE:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Transcend-Compact-Flash-Memory-Card-16GB-CF160-Industrial-Grade-FAT32-Formatted/391976174754?hash=item5b4399c4a2:g:5G8AAOSwYDZaedx1
not that i recommend ebay for cf's but industrial cards don't seem to be counterfeited so often.
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Can someone explain to me this issue with fast z2 of z4 mumbo jumbo.
Thanks
Doug
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Can someone explain to me this issue with fast z2 of z4 mumbo jumbo.
Protocols supported by non-Commodore bus boards.
E.g., stuff like this: http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1379
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Can someone explain to me this issue with fast z2 of z4 mumbo jumbo.
Thanks
Doug
It's basically non-standard overclocked zorro2 slot that breaks the rules. very few cards worked with it. they shouldn't of named it zorro IV since it wasn't from Commodore.
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Fast ZII mode or ZorroIV is just an overclocked Zorro II without DMA capabilities.
It was a quick, inexpensive and faster design than ZorroII because it required no Buster chip (hence no DMA capabilities).
It is very usefull and backwards compatible with 95% of the Zorro II cards out there.
It has the advantage that if the ZII card is capable, it can run much faster than the normal specced ZII cards.
Cards that do not work are between others, the A2091 and several GVP SCSI interfaces.
Micronik, MacroSystem and Elbox implemented this ZIV non standard bus expansion in many of their busboard designs.
Also many companies created several ZII cards that could operate on this Fast Z2 mode: DCE, MacroSystem, Village Tronic, between others.
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Thanks everyone for the details and references.
Doug