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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: cehofer on January 19, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
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I was trying to get Timberwolf so I downloaded it from os4depot. I performed all the tasks in the timberwolf doc but everytime I would start Timberwolf, it would grim reaper. So I gave up on it.
I was looking at what exactly a Grim Reaper "Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) exception" is. Since I wrote another post about how my XE kept freezing until I installed a new Barracuda Hard Drive, I was wanting to know if it was related. I came across this post.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3031&p=33923&hilit=timberwolf+grim+reaper#p33923
This is from 2015 where a user found that the os4depot Timberwolf archive is the current version of 4.0.1.0252 but all the folders are missing. The Aminet Timberwolf archive is complete but version 4.0.1.182. So I did as the user of this post did and downloaded the Aminet version and it worked. I also followed his lead and copied all the folders from the Aminet version into the OS4depot version and now that one works.
Can somebody fix the os4depot Timberwolf archive so it is complete and works? Aminet needs to be updated with the current version as well.
Also can anybody tell me what a Grim Reaper "Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) is? When the man with the sickle appears it is always of this type.
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Timberwolf is so out of date I wouldnt even attempt to use it. The one that comes on the OS4.1FE disk works some, but still its a mess.
As far as DSI errors it has something to do with the disks being to fast or something I hear for the OS. You can ignore it. A lot of people get them in things other than Timberwolf. Its popped up for me a few times on my X5000 too. Much more since getting a SSD on it.
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interesting, did not know that !
TBH Timberwolf is far from being usable on any Amiga-NG and the only somewhat usable browser at the moment is Odyssey.
So I am not going to install this beast which is not even working 100% and slow as hell (starting and rendering).
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Timberwolf was awesome before OS4.1FE came out..I was using all my favourite add-ons with it with OS4.1 Update 6 with no problems but since FE came out it's basically useless now:( as an original bounty supporter I'm especially :(
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Well. I have an AmigaOne XE. Once I figured out that the OS4depot archive is incomplete, I have the latest Timberwolf working on OS4.1FE. Sure it is buggy but for all the basic browsing it works. I do like Odessey better so far but I use both.
Why doesn't somebody fix the archive on OS4depot?
Back in the day, I use to hop between Ibrowse and Voyager. Voyager was my favorite.
I read that they spent something like $15k to develop Timberwolf. Why not use it, compile the errors and keep the project moving forward. That seems like a huge waste of money if it is just dropped. I think one reason is that the archive is incomplete and when people download it, it doesn't work. It runs a little slow on my A1 XE. I would like to see it on an X5000.
I do agree Odessey is faster and seems more stable.
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The Timberwolf archive is complete. The problems is that the last version fails to create some essential index files on first run on certain machine/Filesystem combinations.
Thus someone updating would not have any problems. A fresh install will .
Unarc and copy the following files to your Timberwolf directory and give it a try
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/wt79fo2q2ujrghf/Timberwolf_Files.lzx?dl=0
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Spectre660,
The timberwolf archive on OS4depot is not complete as it is missing all the directories. If you take and copy the directories from the Aminet dir to the os4depot version, it works. If you don't believe me, download Timberwolf from Aminet and os4depot and compare them. You will find that the .252 version on os4depot is missing all the folders.
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The os4depot version was uploaded by one of the authors .
The Aminet version was uploaded by a third party .
Anyway my method works for getting the os4depot version running .
Spectre660,
The timberwolf archive on OS4depot is not complete as it is missing all the directories. If you take and copy the directories from the Aminet dir to the os4depot version, it works. If you don't believe me, download Timberwolf from Aminet and os4depot and compare them. You will find that the .252 version on os4depot is missing all the folders.
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The os4depot version was uploaded by one of the authors .
The Aminet version was uploaded by a third party .
Anyway my method works for getting the os4depot version running .
FYI, I am currently responding to you on Timberwolf .252. The OS4depot archive is still incomplete. I have contacted Hans Frieden. I have talked to him in the past troubleshooting Timberwolf.
I think it is really bad to say "The problems is that the last version fails to create some essential index files on first run on certain machine/Filesystem combinations." when a user brings an obvious problem to the board and nobody really seems to care.
I have an A1XE 800Mhz the oldest and slowest NG Amiga and I have it running fine. Now that I have my A1 running solid, I am moving forward. I would love to become a Beta tester if there is a slot open.
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My Comments are based on the observations I made in August 2013 .
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=comments&file=network/browser/timberwolf.lha
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You posted that July 2014. I have the archive from 2013 when I down loaded it and emails with Hans from then. My download from 2013 is the exact same one that I recently downloaded missing the folders. So nobody but this one guy from the Hyperion link actually looked into it and found that the folders were missing from the current version. Sad.
Did you compare OS4depot to aminet? Then once you see the folders are missing and copy them from the aminet archive to os4depot, it will work. Everybody complains that the new .252 does not even work. I have told you why and you continue to argue with me and try to defend yourself. Move on and lets get the archive corrected.
Here is your archive you attached above from drop box and contains no files and not all folders:
25.RAM Disk:Timberwolf> dir
searchplugins (dir)
res (dir)
plugins (dir)
modules (dir)
extensions (dir)
dictionaries (dir)
defaults (dir)
components (dir)
chrome (dir)
Here is my directory of my Timberwolf .252 that works:
25.System:Internet/Timberwolf> dir
searchplugins (dir)
res (dir)
plugins (dir)
modules (dir)
extensions (dir)
dictionaries (dir)
defaults (dir)
components (dir)
chrome (dir)
CurrentUserProfile (dir)
application.ini blocklist.xml chrome.manifest dependentlibs.list greprefs.js
libcairo.so libdl.so libfontconfig.so libfreebl3.so libmozalloc.so
libmozjs.so libnspr4.so libnss3.so libnssckbi.so libnssdbm3.so
libnssutil3.so libpixman-1.so libplc4.so libplds4.so libpthread.so
libsmime3.so libsoftokn3.so libsqlite3.so libssl3.so libxpcom.so
libxul.so nsinstall platform.ini ReadMe ReadMe.info
README.txt run-mozilla.sh Timberwolf timberwolf-bin Timberwolf.info
update.locale updater updater.ini xpcshell xpt_dump
xpt_link
Posted from Timberwolf 4.0.1.252
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Comment by: Spectre660 (209.59.126.236)At: 30 Aug 2013, 15:51File version: 4.0.1.0252Fresh install wont work on AmigaOS 4.1 Update 6 with a Sam440ep-flex and Sam460ex.
Seems as if there is a problem creating the files that are normally created at first run.
If these directories and files are copied from an old install then the new install will work
You posted that July 2014. I have the archive from 2013 when I down loaded it and emails with Hans from then. My download from 2013 is the exact same one that I recently downloaded missing the folders. So nobody but this one guy from the Hyperion link actually looked into it and found that the folders were missing from the current version. Sad.
Did you compare OS4depot to aminet? Then once you see the folders are missing and copy them from the aminet archive to os4depot, it will work. Everybody complains that the new .252 does not even work. I have told you why and you continue to argue with me and try to defend yourself. Move on and lets get the archive corrected.
Posted from Timberwolf 4.0.1.252
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A security feature of os4depot prevents anyone except the original uploader from replacing files . a good thing indeed.
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here are the differences in the archives. As you can see the folders are missing from the os4depot:
aminet .182 archive:
7.RAM Disk:Timberwolf> dir
searchplugins (dir)
res (dir)
plugins (dir)
modules (dir)
extensions (dir)
dictionaries (dir)
defaults (dir)
CurrentUserProfile (dir)
components (dir)
chrome (dir)
application.ini blocklist.xml chrome.manifest
dependentlibs.list greprefs.js libcairo.so
libdl.so libfontconfig.so libfreebl3.so
libmozalloc.so libmozjs.so libnspr4.so
libnss3.so libnssckbi.so libnssdbm3.so
libnssutil3.so libpixman-1.so libplc4.so
libplds4.so libpthread.so libsmime3.so
libsoftokn3.so libsqlite3.so libssl3.so
libxml2.so libxpcom.so libxul.so
nsinstall platform.ini ReadMe
ReadMe.info README.txt run-mozilla.sh
Timberwolf timberwolf-bin Timberwolf.info
update.locale updater updater.ini
xpcshell xpt_dump xpt_link
os4depot archive:
7.RAM Disk:Timberwolf-os4depot> dir
application.ini blocklist.xml chrome.manifest
dependentlibs.list greprefs.js libcairo.so
libdl.so libfontconfig.so libfreebl3.so
libmozalloc.so libmozjs.so libnspr4.so
libnss3.so libnssckbi.so libnssdbm3.so
libnssutil3.so libpixman-1.so libplc4.so
libplds4.so libpthread.so libsmime3.so
libsoftokn3.so libsqlite3.so libssl3.so
libxpcom.so libxul.so nsinstall
platform.ini ReadMe ReadMe.info
README.txt run-mozilla.sh Timberwolf
timberwolf-bin Timberwolf.info update.locale
updater updater.ini xpcshell
xpt_dump xpt_link
Somebody should fix the archive so it is all in one .lha. I'm sure the admin or MOD of os4depot can do that.
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Those darned DSI errors. They are the main reason, why i haven't switched completely to AOS4
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Hello,
I was attempting to get Timberwolf to run on my X5000 also, but it doesn't function too well outside of a partition formatted with FFS from Amiga OS 4.x's FFS. Yes, it DOES function that way. I've done a lot of testing. However, Odyssey is a very good replacement but I still (even at the start of 2018) would love to use Timblerwolf. I'm a huge fan of Firefox (except the new Quantum edition....very ugly).
If you wish to persist with Timberwolf, make a small partition formatted with FFS Standard or it will crash often OS 4.x.
Spectre660: Appreciate the files archive, I shall check that. I didn't know about that until I saw your post.
I was trying to get Timberwolf so I downloaded it from os4depot. I performed all the tasks in the timberwolf doc but everytime I would start Timberwolf, it would grim reaper. So I gave up on it.
I was looking at what exactly a Grim Reaper "Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) exception" is. Since I wrote another post about how my XE kept freezing until I installed a new Barracuda Hard Drive, I was wanting to know if it was related. I came across this post.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3031&p=33923&hilit=timberwolf+grim+reaper#p33923
This is from 2015 where a user found that the os4depot Timberwolf archive is the current version of 4.0.1.0252 but all the folders are missing. The Aminet Timberwolf archive is complete but version 4.0.1.182. So I did as the user of this post did and downloaded the Aminet version and it worked. I also followed his lead and copied all the folders from the Aminet version into the OS4depot version and now that one works.
Can somebody fix the os4depot Timberwolf archive so it is complete and works? Aminet needs to be updated with the current version as well.
Also can anybody tell me what a Grim Reaper "Type of crash: DSI (Data Storage Interrupt) is? When the man with the sickle appears it is always of this type.
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Update: I was using Timberwolf with an older archive. I also noticed that making a couple changes improved performance. I got the ~newer~ version of Timberwolf and added the files from the LZX archive (read above). From Tools/Options changing "When Timberwolf starts:" to "Show my windows and tabs from last time" helps a lot. This also makes "about:config"'s "browser.showQuitWarning" not needed, so keeping it at false. If this is made to true then Timberwolf causes or crashes when you exit it after you're prompted to Save tabs. I've now been able to run it from whatever partition and filesystem.
However, it does have a memory leak (2MB...??). If you exit and start it often you'll notice it. It also becomes slower and causes X5000 to hang a bit if you use more than 5 to 7+ tabs, as I do with Firefox...I have more than 10 usually. Same with WinUAE 3.6.0, of course.
So, it's a cool browser with this understanding but it's not as powerful as Odyssey...but has great potential if it were to be developed. It loads a little faster than Odyssey (not a problem to me, just observation). But a big point...it won't play YouTube videos or videos from other sites like Odyssey does. Anyone getting into or wanting to use Timberwolf, it's still a very good general browser. I'm glad to know that it does indeed function on SFS02 as I previously thought it does not; and only on FFS.
A side note, from "about:config" ...if you filter with "Firefox" and change "general.useragent.compatMode.firefox" to true then you won't get warnings about the browser being outdated as much, or sites informing you your browser isn't supported. :-) I'm sure there are other tips I haven't discovered..and maybe there's a Flash/Shockwave plugin or Library I haven't discovered yet..anyway, cool Browser. I hope this is helpful to others.
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Timberwolf has been crap and broken since its release...
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Timberwolf has been crap and broken since its release...
I agree and the Friedens were supposed to release the source code once the port was completed but they sat on it for 2 years or more before releasing only portions of the code which were broken and wouldn't build. That's 2 years that community programmers could have used to comb thru the code and update/upgrade/fix bugs, but apparently that wasn't one of their priorities.
To this day, I don't think anyone has been able to get it to build with what the Friendens released.
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I agree and the Friedens were supposed to release the source code once the port was completed but they sat on it for 2 years or more before releasing only portions of the code which were broken and wouldn't build. That's 2 years that community programmers could have used to comb thru the code and update/upgrade/fix bugs, but apparently that wasn't one of their priorities.
To this day, I don't think anyone has been able to get it to build with what the Friendens released.
How many thousands of dollars did they take from us for that?
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How many thousands of dollars did they take from us for that?
If my memory serves me correctly it was around $4000, but I could be wrong....it's been quite a while .
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As far as DSI errors it has something to do with the disks being to fast or something I hear for the OS. You can ignore it. A lot of people get them in things other than Timberwolf. Its popped up for me a few times on my X5000 too. Much more since getting a SSD on it.
A DSI has nothing at all to do with the disk speed.
It stands for Data Storage Interupt and means a program has attampted to read from or write to a protected or non existant memory address.
The reason is different for every program, though attempts to read from NULL are perhaps most common.
The consequences are different for every program, depending on how they triggered the error, sometimes you can safely ignore them, somethimes not.
If you get more with a faster drive then likely the prgram that's throwing them has a race condition shown up by faster resposonses, send abug report to the author!