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Title: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: RobertB on January 10, 2018, 05:52:48 AM
To see photos of the C65 #1 at last October's Amiwest Show, go to

http://blog.retro-link.com/2018/01/the-c65-1-at-amiwest-show-2017.html

          Happy New Year!
          Robert Bernardo
          Fresno Commodore User Group
          http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
          Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
          http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan

P.S. If any fellow Amiwest 2017 attendees have photos of that C65, please post the links to those pics or send me the photos and I will post them for you.  Likewise, if you have video of that C65 in action, please post the link to the video or send me the video for me to post.
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: gregthecanuck on January 10, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
VERY cool. Thanks for the pictures. :)
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: Darrin on January 10, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
Wow!  I didn't realize there was one that actually worked.  I'd loved to have seen that in person.
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: RNSpeed on January 10, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Awesome! Serial #1. I imagine the C65 posing like a Victoria Secret Model with all the Papparatzy around the Computer. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 10, 2018, 07:14:07 PM
Great photos, thanks for posting!  :D
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: klx300r on January 10, 2018, 08:57:11 PM
ah the Holy Grail for Commodore collectors/ fans SN 1:hammer:! the "Copyright 1977 Microsoft" gets me all the time:rofl:
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: psxphill on January 11, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: klx300r;834910
ah the Holy Grail for Commodore collectors/ fans SN 1:hammer:! the "Copyright 1977 Microsoft" gets me all the time:rofl:

It's technically wrong, it should be 1979

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=46

1977 was BASIC for the original PET. Later PET's and the VIC-20/C64 etc were all based on version 2 from 1979
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: klx300r on January 11, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: psxphill;834930
It's technically wrong, it should be 1979

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=46

1977 was BASIC for the original PET.

hmm first Commodore 1 basic version was 1977 so Copyright looks right;)
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: psxphill on January 11, 2018, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: klx300r;834932
hmm first Commodore 1 basic version was 1977 so Copyright looks right;)


So the movie independence day 2 released in 2016 is copyright 1996?
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: klx300r on January 11, 2018, 04:23:03 PM
@ psxphill

I'm no lawyer but I think if even a small amount of code used for the Pet got into the C64 then 1977 is right.  I'm sure we'll have our 'in house' law experts chime in on this soon enough:rtfm:
Title: Re: The C65 #1 at the Amiwest Show 2017
Post by: psxphill on January 11, 2018, 04:26:51 PM
Quote from: klx300r;834934
@ psxphill

I'm no lawyer but I think if even a small amount of code used for the Pet got into the C64 then 1977 is right.  I'm sure we'll have our 'in house' law experts chime in on this soon enough:rtfm:

If you read the article, commodore got a refresh of BASIC from Microsoft in 1979. So the code for the C64 should have come from there.

The copyright on software is complicated though. Copying an entire rom is probably covered by copyright in the 1970's (I'm not a laywer, I'm especially not a time travelling lawyer), but even today you can't copyright individual instruction sequences. By only asserting the 1977 copyright, they are creating an evidence trail that means their copyright runs out 2 years earlier than it should. Commodore (if they were around) might claim that the 1991 copyright would cover all the ROMS in the c65, but I believe if they tested that out in court they would lose.

Copyright itself is complicated. Steam Boat Willy seems to be in a quantum state of protected by copyright laws and also in the public domain.

Back in the 1980's I remember people saying they didn't buy a c64 because they wanted a computer with Microsoft basic. It seems the rebranding may have cost some sales.