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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: weirdami on March 08, 2004, 06:56:28 AM
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Tell me what you guys think of this idea. If we all clicked on over to amiga.com (http://amiga.com) in our normal course of web activity (say, once a day) then Amiga, Inc. would get oodles of hits to their website and could show that to prospective investors as proof that lots of people are interested in the Amiga. We could all help give AI a boost by showing our support.
What do you think, sirs?
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I think it would take more then website hits to show anything... maybe
sales of new hardware/software etc..
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Damn, from the title of the message I thought you had ideas on knocking the Pegasos people off. HeHe :-D
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@ weirdami
If there would have been something on that site that were of any
interest to us, then there would have been no need to "fabricate
proof". Besides, it is the simplest thing in the world to edit web
statistics to suit your needs if you want to make a statement
about "user interest" based on that; no need to involve real users.
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I don't see why ordinary users should be having to help out Amiga Inc in extrodinary ways. It's Amiga Inc. that got themselves into such a mess it shouldn't be up to us to get them out. Amiga Inc. have to do what every other business does and provide a product or service in return for money.
Amiga users have already done more than enough to try and keep Amiga afloat (including the whole $50+ thing), but there is no point in continuing to struggle with what is effectively dead wood, just because they own a name.
I, like vast numbers of others, just want to run HyperionOS on a suitable motherboard for example the EyetechOne (Yes trolls I don't give 2 {bleep}s about the name, just the product) Amiga Inc have proved a liability with regards to this, by signing stupid contracts with shady people, by making stupid promotions they couldn't fulfil, which everyone advised them against, and by being more and more of a general embaresement to the community.
I hate to slam on people's ideas, but I really feel that people's time and effort would help the Amiga far more doing other things.
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weirdami: there are plenty of amiga/MOS programmers and other creative persons doing really useful things that deserve support. So, support those who do the real work.
companys don't represent us and don't care about us. WE care about us.
Anytime you see a neat program you like using, talk about it to everyone and even communicate with the person(s) that made it. let's support each other.
:-D
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And here I was thinking someone bought him/herself a sniperrifle.....
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Uh...ok. Support Amiga Inc by flooding their server and costing HMetal more of his own money to keep it up. Good idea. :)
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Its pointless since web data is so easy to forge. AmigaInc is in trouble and I fear there isnt much we can do before OS4 comes out and they get some major eye opening product out in major stores.
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I think the extra bandwith would cost them to much and they would have to close the site taking into acount they dont have much money. :-o
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The only thing to save Amiga Inc would be to buy Amiga products. Since there are no Amiga Inc products, I have to agree with everyone else. Bogarting their servers would serve absolutely no purpose except to cost Ray Akey more money -- which it's plainly clear would be a problem.
Wayne
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Hi
I check their website once a day for OFFICIAL comment on the judgment.
Unfortunately the latest announcement is Dec. 2003.
IMO they should give reply 30 days after the judgment
(March 20, 2004).
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Haven't visited their website for months. If something new appears, then I will most likely see it here.
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I agree with Wayne. The only way to keep Amiga alive is to buy their products. Don't even think how big their trouble is. I wouldn't worry except getting my products delivered in a timely matter. Seriously! I know the t-shirts were a big issue, but haven't they delivered your products you ordered?
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I think that the ones that are interested are already clicking. :) A
few years back, I went to that site every day...sometimes more than
that. Got bored with it though cause on the most part the content is
OLD.
:)
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If AmigaINC only updated their site... There has really been no info for like over 6months now, so not much reason to visit their site that often... I still check it every second day, just in case they posted something heh..
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i agree with Wayne. The only way to keep Amiga alive is to buy their products
What products, amigaone is eyetechs and os4 hyperions im still waiting for the os4 beta and am slowly losing faith in ever seeing it as it is i have an amigaone that runs linux, a few peopple have already sold there amigaones due to waiting to long for os 4 if i had bought a pegasos i could be using it now not later. :-? :-( :-(
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What "Amiga Inc"? What products?
:-?
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I think if Amiga Inc had sent out the T-shirts they promised to coupon buyers, they'd have some instant-marketing already. Instead they apparently prefer to nick my money and have no marketing strategy.
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If Amiga Inc had delivered the t-shirts as required by law, it might not have saved them, or even delayed the inevitable, but it would have been a whole lot better than shanking the community out of all that money then disappearing like thieves in the night. Too much spilt milk to cry over now.
In all due fairness, giving McEwen the benefit of doubt, it's entirely possible that at the time, he WAS expecting money from some corporate sponsor but needed a quick influx to keep going until then. (Around the time of the StL 2001 show according to the recently discovered SQL backups from that period). Then when the cash never came, the t-shirts became irrelevant.
This is starting to sound really, eerily familiar, so I'll stop while I'm ahead. I just wonder if any of the names will change in the next four years.
Wayne
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Well, it was just an idea I had. I guess it didn't go over so well. :-)
The posts in this thread (thanks for taking it seriously, btw :-))have sent me in a new direction of wondering. If all of AI's employees are unpaid, what do they do for money? Better yet, what do the people who are left actually do for AI? Do they stick around because they got some equity they hope will increase in value when OS4 comes out (or however else value can be increased)?
The big question is, where are McEwen and Moss and how do the above questions apply to them?
You might be able to tell that I'm hopefull for AI to get back on its feet "for the future". My inner Pollyanna tells me that AI has some big secret plan in the works that they will unleash on the world, like a tiger ready to pounce on an unsuspecting gazelle. :lol:
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Wayne wrote:
The only thing to save Amiga Inc would be to buy Amiga products. Since there are no Amiga Inc products, I have to agree with everyone else. Bogarting their servers would serve absolutely no purpose except to cost Ray Akey more money -- which it's plainly clear would be a problem.
Wayne
Oh for heaven's sake :roll:, are you people spewing this "Ray owns Amiga's paypal account," "ray pays for the website" nonsense really that clueless or are you just practicing for your moron's thesis? (hey, if you're going to moderate/censor this, just cut out this para. :laugh:)
I have my own non-Amiga-related sites to be concerned about (which I won't mention here because I don't want to attract the idiot factor :-D).
My money certainly does not pay for Amiga's services or anything else related.
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weirdami wrote:
If all of AI's employees are unpaid, what do they do for money?
Gooood question. Very good question. I sure as hell don't know. For a start, maybe you could ask Ray "LOL, YOU HAVE NO CLUE" AKey where he gets the money to keep Amiga.com up, since it seems unlikely that with less than $200 in the bank, 2million dollars of debt, and the inability to pay lawyers, his "sleeping giant" benefactors are paying him. You could ask him yourself, but don't expect a civil reply because he's good at calling people retards and telling people they have no clue.
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@KennyR
Please don't start. I was under the mistaken impression that Amiga Inc was hosted on Ray's server, or Ray was paying for it these days. I have been corrected.
This conversation is not yet another reason to kick the dead horse.
Wayne
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hum... all this thread is missing now is the trademark vitriolic comments from Kronos and Seehund and I think we can wrap 'er up, ya think? :lol:
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absolutely. In all seriousness, I hope the AI people are doing well. Thought I haven't been there, I know what they're going through, no matter what they're now doing for real jobs.
Wayne
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@ Wayne
If things hasn't improved dramaticly by then (one of the new platforms
taking off for *real* (I am particulary hoping for a specific one;-)))
then it won't matter what names we will se in four years from now
anyway. If the community is dead now, how will it look after some
additional four years without a viable market? In that case, most
discussions here on amiga.org will be about the next president
election in the USA and such non-Amiga related things. That's my guess
anyway. Will amiga.org even still be here in that case?
It's not about hardware people - the latest Pegasos II with its
updated firmware is now flawless IMHO. It's not about the OS and SW
people - it's well supported by OS's and MorphOS is great now
(especially after the bugfixes in 1.4.2) and only becomes better all
the time. No, it's about the "business people". It's their mission,
it's their assignment. The "product pieces" of the puzzle is
there, but now the "business people" has to put them together in
the best possible way, and hopefully in several different ways. Let's
hope they get their act together and pull it off. It can happen. But
anyway, I have some really silent but yet quite powerful hardware
here, perfect for home server usage and such, so I am quite happy
right now! :-)
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Word from Hyperion is that the pre-release will be available to users within 14 days.
They have pointedly refused to give an estimate for the official release.
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It's Here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1288)
Sorry for not addressing it in my prior post.
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14 days you say. That sure sounds ... promising! :-P
Well, maybe it will turn out to be true THIS time, who knows?
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Word from Hyperion is that the pre-release will be available to users within 14 days.
Two weeks you say?
I'm afraid to ask: is it a promise?
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
@ Wayne
If things hasn't improved dramaticly by then (one of the new platforms
taking off for *real* (I am particulary hoping for a specific one;-)))
Hey!!! I didn't know you were rooting for AROS too!!!!! ;-) :lol:
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All I can say is that I'll be seriously disappointed if I can't pick up a copy of the pre-release at the Göteborg show early next month.
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Warface wrote:
Two weeks you say?
I'm afraid to ask: is it a promise?
Sorry:
HyperionMP
Those two weeks refer to the amount of time required to get to gold master status. it doesn't include production time of at least 10 business days.
Rogue
What I said is that with a bit of luck we can get the CD mastered in two weeks. There is an additional overhead involved in produciton and distribution.
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gnarly wrote:
Warface wrote:
Two weeks you say?
I'm afraid to ask: is it a promise?
Sorry:
HyperionMP
Those two weeks refer to the amount of time required to get to gold master status. it doesn't include production time of at least 10 business days.
Rogue
What I said is that with a bit of luck we can get the CD mastered in two weeks. There is an additional overhead involved in produciton and distribution.
My bad. I just read the above myself. I DID believe that 14 days did not incluse burning and distribution, but the "With a bit of luck" part sounds a tad more nebulous. Still:
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Word from Hyperion is that the pre-release will be available to users within 14 days.
I remember when it was before christmas so i doubt it will be anytime soon.
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Weirdami idea made it to Wrong Planet (http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/article106.html) :lol:
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ROTFL!
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cdfr wrote:
Weirdami idea made it to Wrong Planet (http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/article106.html) :lol:
That picture would be better if it said "Click here and sue Amiga Inc" :lol:
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by cdfr on 2004/3/9 10:27:47
Weirdami idea made it to Wrong Planet
I wonder if their tongue-in-cheek will actually result in tons of hits anyway.
8-) :elvis: :banana: :pint:
BTW, I like the new smileys. :-)
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So ... "with a bit of luck" ... we should see OS4 beta CD's released approx. April 1st ... :roll:
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redfox ;-)
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redfox wrote:
So ... "with a bit of luck" ... we should see OS4 beta CD's released approx. April 1st ... :roll:
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redfox ;-)
:roflmao: