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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: kreciu on November 05, 2017, 04:10:58 AM
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I'm trying to install AmigaOS 4.1 on my newly acquired Blizzard PPC. Startup from floppy works fine until "AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition" screen and... stays there "forever". CD ROM spins and nothing.
Amiga is recapped, Mediator jumpers are as they should be (only Radeon attached), power supply is great and floppy cable attached to motherboard, Blizzard is made in Stachu so no issues here. FastATAV. Blizzard in boot menu configured as is should be (70ns etc.).
... any ideas?
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I'm trying to install AmigaOS 4.1 on my newly acquired Blizzard PPC. Startup from floppy works fine until "AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition" screen and... stays there "forever". CD ROM spins and nothing.
Amiga is recapped, Mediator jumpers are as they should be (only Radeon attached), power supply is great and floppy cable attached to motherboard, Blizzard is made in Stachu so no issues here. FastATAV. Blizzard in boot menu configured as is should be (70ns etc.).
... any ideas?
You could remove all cards from the Mediator and try booting from the cd again, it boots in aga.
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Check your install media for scratches, etc. Try another drive?
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Check your install media for scratches, etc. Try another drive?
CD is brand new, and I made ISO for PC and it works great. Without Radeon, I'm getting only black screen after reboot with colors flushing. CDROM just spins.
I did not have issues with this DVD drive at all, my OS3.9 is scratched as it can be and loads fine.
In general the same system has no issues (known issues!) in OS3.9.
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loading forever is normal since everything has to be loaded from the CDROM so it DOES take a while.
the other thing I am thinking of is the monitor which is out of sync. I did not try AOS4.1FE but I installed AOS4.1 and all went well on my A1200PPC.
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How long it takes? 10 minutes? 20 minutes? How long "AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition" screen stays on before getting to system setup?
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How long it takes? 10 minutes? 20 minutes? How long "AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition" screen stays on before getting to system setup?
Are you sure the PPC is working? That final edition screen is the first loading of the OS from the CD. Have you tried using the PPC test floppy that checks the PPC that Phase5 has made?
http://powerup.amigaworld.de/download.php?id=59
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When I tried to use my Blizzard 030 I don't think it even loaded new kickstart and I never seen "Amiga OS 4.1" screen. It was quite a while ago.
I will test PPC, but I just ruing my OS3.9 and need to put it back from backup :).
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I just run PowerUP test and it is OK. When I try to do WarpUP it wants to terminate ppc.library, but when I terminate it computer will reset, but I don't think this is a problem.
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I just run SysSpeed and PowerPC test works fine (406MIPS :) ), I'm using JPG datatypes for PowerPC zero issues.
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I have no idea what problem (this time!) it is. Under AmigaOS3.9 everything is rock solid.
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@kreciu
How is the cdrom connected to the FastATA?
I believe the correct setup when installing is to have the harddrive connected to the primary port as master and the cdrom as slave, also on the primary port.
But it might be worth experimenting a little here.
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This is why I gave up on 4.1 on my A4000T and just got an X5000 lol!
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@Acill
Never, never give up on Amiga related stuff... ;). For me it is more about "making it work" (and I expressed this many times). I would be super surprised if my AmigaOS4.1 simply work. Impossible!
Not like we have a network driver, FPU etc. etc. in new Tabor that was announced about 2 years ago. Nothing changed, just different hardware :).
I say, best Amiga you can get is emulated Amiga (and UAE is FREE - crazy!), I had literally ZERO issues with installation of AmigaOS4.1 on my PC, but I like my old Amiga with all it issues AND you are partially "guilty". Now, after recap I will be using it next 20 years! ;)
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@kreciu
How is the cdrom connected to the FastATA?
I believe the correct setup when installing is to have the harddrive connected to the primary port as master and the cdrom as slave, also on the primary port.
But it might be worth experimenting a little here.
This is probably the answer. If you see the OS4.1 splash screen it means the kernel has loaded and reset the machine properly. It's probably searching for the CDROM drive and not properly finding it. Dump the FastATA for now and setup as primary and slave on the A1200 IDE port and try again.
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Thank you! You are THIRD person telling me that, so I think you should be right. I will try to do it today evening/night :).
I wish manual for AmigaOS4.1 mentioned something about that FastATA issue during installation (apparently it is COMMON issue). I hope FastATA will work at least AFTER installation...
I love disassembling my Amiga... ;). What I would do without help!
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When I had my Amiga 1200, I had to put in a buffered ide dual drive, on this I had to put the dh0: drive on one branch and the CD on the other branch with both set to master. Now all I had was the original chip set with no expensive boards, but after I did that all lock ups went away and I finally booted into OS 4.1. If you put both on the same branch of the ide controller, then OS4.1 gets lost. It is one of the most finicky OS I ever had the pleasure of using. I still have my copy but dread trying to install it again. It took me about 2 months of playing with this disaster of an OS and to tell you the truth I would rather try to install a DOS system for gaming then this OS. Read every sentence in the OS4.1 instruction manual, you skip one word and you are doomed I tell ya.
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It took me about 2 months of playing with this disaster of an OS and to tell you the truth I would rather try to install a DOS system for gaming then this OS. Read every sentence in the OS4.1 instruction manual, you skip one word and you are doomed I tell ya.
I think I will end up working on this 2 months... Taking all from my tower takes time and PATIENCE ;).
I will keep you updated.
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So, now it is even WORST then before. My Blizzard 030 goes FARTHER in installation of OS4.1 (to the point of loading bootloader) then my Blizzard PPC. Amazing...
I just successfully installed OS3.9 WITH WarpOS after change, so DVD-ROM/HDD etc. etc. works. No issues, and stable as it can be.
Best hardware to run AmigaOS4.1.. my PC.
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I want to show you something... best view ever. I hope it will work! I'm quite sure it will work with FastATA. When it will finish I will try it. No, I did not boot from floppy. BTW. Best looking Amiga ;)
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I want to show you something... best view ever. I hope it will work! I'm quite sure it will work with FastATA. When it will finish I will try it. No, I did not boot from floppy. BTW. Best looking Amiga ;)
So you got it to install? Further than me on my 4000T thats for sure!
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So you got it to install? Further than me on my 4000T thats for sure!
I "installed" it, but it will not boot :(. At least not yet..., what a mess. I can only imagine how sale of system like this would looks like "for general public" :).
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I want to show you something... best view ever. I hope it will work! I'm quite sure it will work with FastATA. When it will finish I will try it. No, I did not boot from floppy. BTW. Best looking Amiga ;)
Great to see progress !
My CyberstormPPC/Mediator4000/UWSCSI 15K/Radeon/soundscard/X-surf and A1200T/BlizzardPPC/BVision is running OS4.1 without problems, so you should have it running as well.
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I "installed" it, but it will not boot :(. At least not yet..., what a mess. I can only imagine how sale of system like this would looks like "for general public" :).
I very vaguely recall you need to edit something in the kicklayout file before it will boot..
Also I think you need to make sure you install it on the first 4Gb of your drive, otherwise it wont be able to load the kickstart required for bigger drives. But I could be mistaken there, I have IDEFix Express.
I agree with you 100% regarding the hassle to get things working being the most rewarding thing about the Amiga. That is, as long as you keep making progress.
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What can I say... with FastATA and Radeon. Boots in about 20s. This is AMAZING how someone can screw up installer for system. As usual, when it works it is rock solid.
Did I pay for this OS? Maybe this is a part of purchase trying to "play" with it and when I actually SEE Workbench this is actually "the end" of fun...
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I realized the other day how much fun I am going to have loading OS4.1 on my 1200 considering the BlizzardPPC lacks a SCSI interface. My only option for loading the OS is to connect an IDE CD-ROM which is going to be such a mess. If only loading from USB was an option.
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I realized the other day how much fun I am going to have loading OS4.1 on my 1200 considering the BlizzardPPC lacks a SCSI interface. My only option for loading the OS is to connect an IDE CD-ROM which is going to be such a mess. If only loading from USB was an option.
If only my CD-ROM AND HDD work at the same time, that would be amazing. I need to disconnect CD-ROM so HDD will boot (most likely I need to attach it on secondary IDE). USB booting on Classic? :hahaha: ;)
Nicest part is that OS3.9 with all the same HW has ZERO issues.
I think there should be Final Final version of OS4.1 for classics, that works most of the time, not just "for selected one".
I tried to connect to internet using my Realtek network card... good luck! Nothing, device not detected. (Did I mentioned it works great under OS3.9?).
BTW. My Blizzard PPC had SCSI, but it LACKS DRIVERS from OS4.1 :), so I can't use it.
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I think that you have to install the SLB to the RDB of your HD in order to boot from it.
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I think that you have to install the SLB to the RDB of your HD in order to boot from it.
Can you explain more? I really don't know how to boot this system with DVD-rom attached (on the same IDE port).
THANK YOU!
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Can you explain more? I really don't know how to boot this system with DVD-rom attached (on the same IDE port).
THANK YOU!
your Dvd rom drive needs to be set to slave and the CF card master but I don't know how you would do this with a CF card?
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your Dvd rom drive needs to be set to slave and the CF card master but I don't know how you would do this with a CF card?
I don't use CF (BTW. this adapters have a jumpers), I'm using EIDE SSD (Master) and CD-ROM as Slave, it is attached to 4xEIDE.
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Try reading my Blog post on hard drive setup. You do really have to follow it to the letter, yes. http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=210
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I'm reading it EXACTLY as you wrote your post :). For some reason, every-time I connect DVD-rom I get "floppy animation" (BTW. How you call this initial screen in English?). Beside this OS4.1 works quite well I have to say. I have the same issue with 4xEide or FastATA.
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@HammerD Can you tell me what it is "Drive Initialization code"?
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So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.
HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.
I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.
BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.
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So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.
HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.
I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.
BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.
I can recommend going for a dual boot set up, or even triple. I have a first small partition with plain WB3.1 that I can use to boot into 3.9 or 4.x. It loads the IDEFix mounting commands so those partitions can live outside the first 4Gb.
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I'm telling you, if you want to use 4.1 just sell that machine and get an X5000! It boots classic apps faster than my real 4000T does. Get a stock 1200 if you want to have a classic machine still.
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SOLUTION: I used on of "cooked/updated" ROMS chips, works from cold boot zero issues. Computer boots, with DVD-rom.
BTW. Hyperion time to update ROM chips in Amiga's. After this "experience" I think AmigaOS4.1 should be delivered with UPDATED ROM chips, as long time ago. New system, new ROM chips.
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So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.
HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.
I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.
BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.
If you cannot see the OS4 partitions in early boot menu it means the filesystem is not installed into the RDB. I don't know if you are using FFS or SFS (I'd recommend SFS) but you need at least one of those from the L: directory on the OS4.1 CDROM. Here is the relevent section from my blog post:
Adding a file system into the Rigid Disk Block (RDB)
On the “Editing partitions…” screen, select “Add, Remove, or edit filesystems”.
Click on “Add new FS”
Browse to the L: directory (of the Installation Disc) and choose either SmartFileSystem or FastFileSystem. Let’s pick SmartFileSystem for this example. After you pick SmartFileSystem from the ASL requestor, you will be presented with a “Filesystem edit” screen.
It is very important in this screen to type the correct DOSType for your file system! This is one of the most common “gotchas” for setting up your hard disk. For SmartFileSystem we have to change the “DosType” field from the default of 444f5303 to 53465300. Once you do that, press enter, and you will see the name become SFS \ 00, which is the proper identifier for SmartFileSystem.
The above picture shows the proper settings for SmartFileSystem. Note the DosType.
After you have selected the File system, changed the DosType, you can click “OK – Accept Changes”. The hard part is now done! The file system has been placed inside the RDB.
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SOLUTION: I used on of "cooked/updated" ROMS chips, works from cold boot zero issues. Computer boots, with DVD-rom.
BTW. Hyperion time to update ROM chips in Amiga's. After this "experience" I think AmigaOS4.1 should be delivered with UPDATED ROM chips, as long time ago. New system, new ROM chips.
Probably the file system is included in these updated roms...anyway, good you got it working!
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Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work.
With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC.
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Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work. In attachment you can see that files system is "loaded". Do you see anything wrong with it?
With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC. AmigaOS4.1 it is really mixed feelings, it works fine, looks great... but at the same time it is terrible with all this limitations!?
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Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work. In attachment you can see that files system is "loaded". Do you see anything wrong with it?
With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC. AmigaOS4.1 it is really mixed feelings, it works fine, looks great... but at the same time it is terrible with all this limitations!?
That looks OK to me. Are you using a compact flash card or a real hard drive? I had lots of problems with CF cards. Just curious.
I personally never owned an A1200 with FastATA, so I can't really be of much further help. I suggest you post on the Hyperion Forums. There were other testers that did have A1200's and FastATAs.
As for the speed or compatibility or limitations of OS 4.1 Classic, I can't really speak to that, I was only a tester. My *personal* opinion is that I think Hyperion did the best they could with the (limited) resources available to them. Trust me they tried, and tried for a long time. It was very difficult to find developers who were willing to code OS4 for the Classic platform and also had the level of knowledge required (kernel/driver level knowledge). You could probably count the number of people still around even with the knowledge on one hand. There was a small number of dedicated testers driving it forward and spending hundreds of hours testing things (as you know it takes lots of time and patience on the classic platform) and obviously lots of painstaking work by a small number of developers.
I think the Classic version, in the latest "Final Edition" incarnation, is pretty good. The best you can expect on such old and slow hardware. Hyperion could have chosen to stop bothering to make the latest OS 4.1 versions still compatible with Classic, but they didn't and they haven't. That says a lot.
Remember MorphOS stopped at (I think) version 1.4 on the classic platform and they never released updated versions. So for a PPC AmigaOS on the Classic it is the best there is. It would be best to try to run the newer OS4 apps and not OS 3.x apps who's development has long since stopped. OS4 apps will tend to run better as long as they are not too cpu, graphic, or memory intensive.
I haven't been able to do much lately on OS4, I've got a family now with 2 young kids who take up the vast majority of my free time (or what's left of it) and money (so I've sold much of my prized Classic collection). I still have an A4000 but only with a Sonnet. Been playing with that under OS 3.9 and it's very fast for most WarpUP programs! I don't have any CS PPC's anymore. If that new phase5 digital company is not a hoax and releases new CS PPC's, I may buy one. We will see but I do not count on it. I'm also eyeing a Vampire V4 for my A2000. I do still have an X1000 though. ;)
Darren
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@HammerD I'm using PATA SSD.
Again thank you for help!
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So, I was NOT able to make dual boot (for whatever reason, and at this point I don't care...), AOS4.1 will always boot (boot priorities were there etc. etc. etc. no joy). I will be switching CF card :).
I used FastATAII (instead of FastATAV) (II is not supported under AOS4.1 and that is GOOD at least for me :) ) + CF cards but I can actually use it to get HDD/DVD-rom and under OS3.9 FastATAII actually works as it should and AOS4.1 will actually SEE DVD-rom and boot when it is attached! :). Still without "new rom" it would not boot.
There is something specific, maybe it is my motherboard but it will not happen with OS3.9 and AOS4.1 is supper sensitive about it.
I really wish I could use my FastATA under AOS4.1 (since it is listed as "compatible"). Reading Hyperion forum, there is tons of people that have issues similar to mine.
Beside this Update 1 and Enhancer 1.3 installed :). I have to say that it works quite well (but it has this feel of "beta" version, definitely not "FINAL"), however OS3.9 feel WAY more refined, smooth, fast etc. etc. 060 + PPC really make OS3.9 fly.
There is some issue with "stutter" (especially after installing Enhancer 1.3 e.g. someone set up new clock with "high antialiasing" that literally was killing my Amiga, when it is OFF works great! - someone should TEST this before and Enhancer 1.3 Classics should be configured for... Classics. After this there is less... stutter.
Now, I need to put all this stuff back into my case...
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060 + PPC really make OS3.9 fly.
Just to get this straight, PPC doesnt do anything on OS3.9. In best case it serves as a passthrough for a Bvision. And yes, OS3.9 is very responsive on RTG but PPC has nothing to do with that!
The only purpose for PPC under OS3.9 (apart from applications, games and demos) are archivers and datatypes.
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Just to get this straight, PPC doesnt do anything on OS3.9. In best case it serves as a passthrough for a Bvision. And yes, OS3.9 is very responsive on RTG but PPC has nothing to do with that!
The only purpose for PPC under OS3.9 (apart from applications, games and demos) are archivers and datatypes.
Thats not completely correct, but you are close. Some of the stuff Thor has done and speedgeek has made a lot of use of it with system replacement libs. I dont use my CSPPC a lot and prefer my X5000 for all things Amiga related now since getting it, but OS4.1FE on a classic machine is nearly useless with the little RAM it supports and slow CPU. I have a 410Mhz PPC in mine and hate it, I cant imagine a stock one!
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I am very interested to know which libraries you refer to. Indeed I do not use 4.x much on my classic PPC, even though I have to admit the OS itself is not slow.
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The only purpose for PPC under OS3.9 (apart from applications, games and demos) are archivers and datatypes.
Applications, games, demos, archivers, and datatypes. What else is there? :lol:
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Applications, games, demos, archivers, and datatypes. What else is there? :lol:
hehe, good point.. but its just a handful of each, that is what I meant.
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hehe, good point.. but its just a handful of each, that is what I meant.
There is only handful application Amiga can be used in general, with main application is to make it work... This really makes it 100% different then any of my other computers :). It is like a bonus feature of Amiga software/hardware you pay for pleasure "to make it work". This did not change in 20 years for sure :).
E.g. I added G3 card into my Performa and it simply works, ATI rage? Install OpenGL and.. it works. You get some old Mac games click installer... and it works. Later you install Office 98 and it works! I can't take it any more. Nothing is crashing on me, games just run fine, no pink (or black or gray or...) screens for ever. Booooring (OK. Retro computing is fun overall!). I don't have to attach floppy drive to "hear click" (or this silence of DEATH...) to know my computer will (most likely, since you NEVER know!) boot.
BUT at the same time Blizzard PPC IS a monster. AmigaOS4.1 is really mixed bag. It is very beautiful, it really nicely expands on this what OS3.x was/is. There is PLENTY of nice things about it.
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ah, so you enjoy your computer freezes.. so why even call for help?
probably a good choice with os4 though.
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ah, so you enjoy your computer freezes.. so why even call for help?
probably a good choice with os4 though.
Sarcasm my friend and as with sarcasms 50% truth/50% not. Why to call for help? To find solution :).
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I'm trying to install AmigaOS 4.1 on my newly acquired Blizzard PPC. Startup from floppy works fine until "AmigaOS4.1 Final Edition" screen and... stays there "forever". CD ROM spins and nothing.
Amiga is recapped, Mediator jumpers are as they should be (only Radeon attached), power supply is great and floppy cable attached to motherboard, Blizzard is made in Stachu so no issues here. FastATAV. Blizzard in boot menu configured as is should be (70ns etc.).
... any ideas?
Try a fan on the PPC. This helped for me.
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Try a fan on the PPC. This helped for me.
PPC is stable, very stable when it works. My main problem was FastATA and some strange issues with not detecting my hard drives. Not booting after installation can be combination of my old HW and AmigaOS4.1. Not, sure.
PS. Now after installing LAN card my system is... freezing after about 5 minutes of use.
A1222 WHERE are you ;).
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Never, never give up on Amiga related stuff... ;). For me it is more about "making it work" (and I expressed this many times).
Just saying ;) You're not trying hard enough! :laugh1:
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Remove everything wich is not absolutety needed, then install AOS4.1fe.
When you have working installtion, add those add ons latter and make them work one by one?