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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: flaviosr on November 04, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
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Hello,
I am using a Rev. 6A with a Gotek floppy drive.
I have connected the Vampyre and everything seems ok, apart that some "old" games do not start... but I supposed this is a "minor" compatibility issue (Startglider, Defender of the crown and many others are ok!)
I then connected a two position 44pin cable with a CF and a slim CD-ROM everything seems ok. CF on the first connector as master and CD-ROM on the second connector as low (slave).
I have installed OS3.1 from the Gotek and now I am trying to install OS3.9 but... some programs from the CD do not start! I can see the CD and I can even copy it all on the CF.
Most of the programs are ok but, for example, I cannot start the Installer from the CD (and so I cannot start the setup program).
I had also some problems when I copied some programs (AmiCDROM, LHA) with a "true" floppy, using an A1010.
I was able to copy all of them but some did not work. I tried to RENAME some and then they worked!!! For example I was not able to decompress "Installer-43_3.lha" but it was ok when renamed INST.LHA.
In other cases this trick did not worked.
I haven't done extensive tests to see if there are some rules...
I initially supposed this was related to the fact I was using a DOS 720 kb formatted floppy drive to transfer files... but then I arrived to issue of the CD-ROM!
Can somebody help?
Thank you
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I don't have a A500. I have my Vampire in a A2000 so so far things have been fine (not experienced your issue).
If you have a 32G SanDisk CF card, I find using the https://apolloos.weebly.com/ builds very easy. They are prebuit with OS3.9 and have the updates you need. Just a thought.
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I don't have a A500. I have my Vampire in a A2000 so so far things have been fine (not experienced your issue).
If you have a 32G SanDisk CF card, I find using the https://apolloos.weebly.com/ builds very easy. They are prebuit with OS3.9 and have the updates you need. Just a thought.
So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we? Some things in Amiga-land never change. If you're going to download ApolloOS (an unlicensed OS3.9 build adapted/optimised for use with Vampire boards) then at least buy the OS3.9 CD-Rom as well:
http://www.vesalia.de/e_os39.htm
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So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we?
No, I purchased my OS 3.9 CD, MUI license, Roadshow license (I even verified with apc-tcp how many computers 1 license covers, answer 2, which is great as I have 2 vampires (600/500)), and such. When I find something that is pre-installed that I use/want to use, I purchase it. I'm hoping to eventually use his build, strip out the stuff I don't need/want, apply my licenses and then create a new image for my use.
What I am promoting is a shortcut for troubleshooting and testing. Why go through all kinds of trouble with fresh installs, and patches, when that work is done for you. Would I prefer a version that is stripped down, sure, but at least this is a quick way to test things are physically working. Once you know that you can poke around find what is missing on your setup, and fix it.
Hope that adds some clarity.
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No, I purchased my OS 3.9 CD, MUI license, Roadshow license (I even verified with apc-tcp how many computers 1 license covers, answer 2, which is great as I have 2 vampires (600/500)), and such. When I find something that is pre-installed that I use/want to use, I purchase it. I'm hoping to eventually use his build, strip out the stuff I don't need/want, apply my licenses and then create a new image for my use.
What I am promoting is a shortcut for troubleshooting and testing. Why go through all kinds of trouble with fresh installs, and patches, when that work is done for you. Would I prefer a version that is stripped down, sure, but at least this is a quick way to test things are physically working. Once you know that you can poke around find what is missing on your setup, and fix it.
Hope that adds some clarity.
If you are trying to use a CF adapter and a CD-ROM drive off the Vampire its not supported and you are darn lucky to have got as far as you have. Since you have all the stuff you need for 3.9 paid for get that ApolloOS build and follow the instructions for installing it onto a 32GB disk. Its well worth it. Everything you will ever want it to do is setup and ready to go once you boot it.
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So we're promoting casual piracy on this forum again are we? Some things in Amiga-land never change. If you're going to download ApolloOS (an unlicensed OS3.9 build adapted/optimised for use with Vampire boards) then at least buy the OS3.9 CD-Rom as well
At least with OS3.1 there are still bugs being fixed and enhancements done (by either Hyperion or Cloanto), but for all intents and purposes, OS3.9 is dead.
There's no reason to pay for abandon-ware, there's nobody left to even enforce OS3.5/9 copyrights.
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At least with OS3.1 there are still bugs being fixed and enhancements done (by either Hyperion or Cloanto), but for all intents and purposes, OS3.9 is dead.
There's no reason to pay for abandon-ware, there's nobody left to even enforce OS3.5/9 copyrights.
Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales? Where does the money go? ;)
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@flaviosr
I did go trough all the trouble of building my own OS3.9 vampire install.
But since connecting or even having a CD ROM player connected to my A600 was too much trouble and a hassle for me to even try.
I did my base OS3.1 and then OS3.9 install in WinUAE.
So after I installed OS3.9 with BB1+BB2 via WinUAE i moved the CF to the A600 so I could setup a network connection and download whatever i need.
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Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales? Where does the money go?
And equally intriguing: do H&P still maintain the right to produce and sell/support the distribution?
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Here's a question for people who helped develop it, who I know are still active in this forum - do they get any kind of proceeds or revenue from the sales? Where does the money go? ;)
Why does that matter? Frankly, this material is proprietary, so it's not you and me who have to decide this. If you want it, buy it, as simple as it is.
And just to answer another question: In my contract, I got some (minor) revenues for two years, then the contract run out. But that does still not justify piracy.
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So who's in San Fran and can kick in doors at Weebly, lol
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@flaviosr
I did go trough all the trouble of building my own OS3.9 vampire install.
But since connecting or even having a CD ROM player connected to my A600 was too much trouble and a hassle for me to even try.
I did my base OS3.1 and then OS3.9 install in WinUAE.
So after I installed OS3.9 with BB1+BB2 via WinUAE i moved the CF to the A600 so I could setup a network connection and download whatever i need.
Making a small summary:
° IT IS possible to connect two IDE devices (in my case a CF and a CD-ROM slim);
° Apollo is not anyway supporting this solution and there could be some issues (and I have personally seen them).
Open streets and things to do/test:
° I am so bringing outside the case the IDE through an external CF reader and the micro SD through an extender cable connected to a SD reader (hoping to have in the future a good support of the microSD);
° are IDE splitters supported by Vampire? I was thinking about using one:
1. primary line => primary HD (the famous CF)
2. secondary line => the CD-ROM + generic CF reader (to move big amount of data)
Question: could this be hot swap? :)
° what about internet?
I have read about using USB but they are not easy nor cheap to find.
An Amiga 2000 could make the thing easier but now I would like to reach the goal to have an Amiga 500 working at best.
And yes... An Amiga 600 or 1200 could be even better from this point of view since they have PCMCIA... but I would like crazy ideas for my Amiga 500! :)
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Answering to myself?!?!? :hammer:
I have posted the original request also to the Apollo forum and I was looking too see if I had any answers (none!)... but I have found the following 3D:
http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1703 :roflmao:
Interesting for many things... expecially for the Plipbox (I forgot about it!!!).
Any other ideas or new?
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Since you have Vampire, why not use SDNet?
EDIT: Ah yeah, that is what is described on the link you gave.
It works fairly well, though I experience various crashes with sdnet.device when having multiple simultaneous downloads.
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Just download https://apolloos.weebly.com/ write it to CF and you are running.
Ignore the copyright police, they are running on the waambulance very busy enforcing the copyright of dead products that have expired copyrights.
(https://image.ibb.co/fSVsTG/wambulance_logo.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Also you can run your installation inside winuae if you wish i have seen that amikitX will be available for the vampire shortly using a modified installer.
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@Soviet
There's really no nice way to say it really: People like you are scum, responsible for the death of the Commodore in the first place with your X-Copy parties and loose morals and you don't deserve to use a Vampire. Copyright exists for a reason i.e. to pay the people that invested and still invest in the Amiga platform. H&P are still in business and Vesalia Online still sell the discs so you've got NO excuse not to buy OS3.9. If you don't I hope your CIAs fail and your Vampire short circuits!
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So is my responsible the death of commodore ?, and not all the horrible business decisions they do for years and years?.
And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.
So not the only scum around the apollo forum jar! jar! jar! go back to the waambullance you scurvy dog!.
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There is a Micro SD card slot on Vampire. You could copy the AmigaOS 3.9 CD content on the card and use SDmount from the Saga driver package and you can install AmogaOS 3.9.
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So is my responsible the death of commodore ?
Not a single person, of course, but who claimed that? The attitude of people like you surely contributed its part.
And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.
Hopefully not. This is a pirated product, and if this type of piracy continues, it is surely the death of any further development of AmigaOs.
Yes, actually, there is development, and yes, the future of the product depends on *you*.
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AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 were developed and distributed by Haage&Partner, under license from Amiga. As far as we know, said license has expired by now (and was even revoked prematurely in OS 3.9's case), meaning that there's no party holding the complete rights to these releases at the moment.
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There is a Micro SD card slot on Vampire. You could copy the AmigaOS 3.9 CD content on the card and use SDmount from the Saga driver package and you can install AmogaOS 3.9.
I am quite blockhead. I have just bought a 4×EIDE'99 Buffered Interface.
Now my more than crazy idea is to use the primary IDE channel for TWO IDEtoCF (I have to find a way to put them on the back of the Amiga) and the secondary IDE channel for the CD-ROM and... now I have to find a slim LS120! :)
And a clockport interface for A500... but one step near the other!
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@Soviet
So that gives you the right to pirate the software how? You're a moron if you think that OS3.9 is suddenly freeware because H&P have no longer got a licence to develop and distribute further copies :angry: You can still buy new copies online, so how about you support the Amiga dealers and buy one?
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Its not freeware and its in a legal limbo, so there no one that can claim rights to it now.
I have no use for the Amiga OS 3.9 cd, i cannot connect one to the vampire.
But purchased an Amiga 3.1 rom from amikit for my amiga 500 so already helped there.
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It can be done, I hooked up my CF card in my A4000 to the ide plug, and then hooked up my CD-Rom to my Buddha card where I also installed another Hard drive. I imagine the same can be done in an Amiga 1200 or A600 if they have Buddha cards made for them. This advertisement for Buddha is not an official advertisement, take it for what it is, a hobbyist playing around with his Amiga's and buying what was available at the time as he found the boards to buy.
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@Soviet
So that gives you the right to pirate the software how? You're a moron if you think that OS3.9 is suddenly freeware because H&P have no longer got a licence to develop and distribute further copies :angry: You can still buy new copies online, so how about you support the Amiga dealers and buy one?
It's a two-way street. Why should anyone buy an OS or ROMs from dealers who are merely doing what end-users have been doing for years? Which is copying the CDs/Disks and ROMs. There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?
Let's be real here. The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead. The OS is dead as well. Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.
It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64. No one gets attacked for modding or making those operating systems available on the net for free, but here, this seems to be a haven for arm-chair attorneys who seem to get their rocks off by preaching to anyone who doesn't buy their copy of AmigaOS from a "dealer". Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous. And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous. Only Amiga makes it possible....
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Ferrellsl -
If it is true that the H&P license has expired, that the developers are no longer being paid for their contributions and that the dealer is just making potentially illegal copies of OS3.9 then yes, it's dead. Like the parrot.
In that case nobody should be buying OS3.9 as in fact they could be supporting piracy. ;-)
From my point of view, I want to put the money in the hands of someone actually updating the operating system and supporting it going forward. If OS3.9 is not being supported, then it is dead. I wouldn't spend a penny on it.
*IF* Hyperion releases a new version with updates and fixes, and carries on supporting it then that deserves consideration. The developers are some of the "good guys" and have a clue what they are doing. Let's wait and see how it goes.
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There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?
Hold on. How come you know the licensing issues between the dealers and the manufacturer, and how come that you believe that the copies are sold without licenses. You can hardly know how the details. There are certainly licensing models that allow parties to redistribute the product for an extended period, or for a given upper bound of copies, both of which might not have been reached or exploited. In other words, all I'm seeing is that you are trying to find an excuse for your lazyness.
I can tell you what my contract tells, and I can ensure you that it did not provide a "full stop" for distribution of my constributions after two years. So from my perspective, selling 3.9 after all these years is still fine, even if I do not get my share.
Let's be real here. The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead. The OS is dead as well.
No, it's not. Have you seen the announcement at Amiga32? And even if it were, you still not holding the copyright, and still cannot copy it as you wish.
Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.
Everybody using the Amiga should understand that years of work went into the system, and that this requires a *little bit* of compensation.
It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64.
Probably because the situation is different? I cannot tell where the copyright for the C64 "Os" went, but as far as AmigaOs is concerned, it is still being worked on, and there are still stakeholders for it.
Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous.
You know what is ridiculous? That people expect something gets done for free, and consider software to be worthless.
And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous.
No, not at all. It remains piracy no matter what. If you want to support the Os, and you do not yet have a license for the system, you'd better buy one. How on earth can you expect that anyone should support the system without charge just to please the pirates.
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Ferrellsl -
If it is true that the H&P license has expired, that the developers are no longer being paid for their contributions and that the dealer is just making potentially illegal copies of OS3.9 then yes, it's dead. Like the parrot.
In that case nobody should be buying OS3.9 as in fact they could be supporting piracy. ;-)
From my point of view, I want to put the money in the hands of someone actually updating the operating system and supporting it going forward. If OS3.9 is not being supported, then it is dead. I wouldn't spend a penny on it.
*IF* Hyperion releases a new version with updates and fixes, and carries on supporting it then that deserves consideration. The developers are some of the "good guys" and have a clue what they are doing. Let's wait and see how it goes.
If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it, but Hyperion only showed interest in OS3 of late and that's only because of the Vampire's popularity. To date, the only thing they've offered are Kickstart ROMs that they've burned after having replaced Commodore's trademarks with their own and freely available patches that anyone with Google and 15 minutes of spare time can put together. And honestly, what has Hyperion done for OS4 since it's inception in 2003? It's still stalled in 2003 and has feature parity with Windows 98. So why should anyone believe they now have the resources and the resolve to improve an OS that they've historically discounted as not worth the effort?
And besides, the Apollo Team has been doing a bang up job on their own. I would imagine that once the Vampire cores are no longer in beta that they'll focus more on the OS, whether it's patching OS3.x or improving AROS. Based on past history, it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see Hyperion offering any significant OS upgrades for classic Amigas...some might say the same goes for OS4.
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No, not at all. It remains piracy no matter what. If you want to support the Os, and you do not yet have a license for the system, you'd better buy one. How on earth can you expect that anyone should support the system without charge just to please the pirates.
Wow, now that's a ridiculous statement. Thank goodness you aren't the definitive expert on all things regarding software and piracy. All my Timex-Sinclair and Commodore 64 buddies are scoffing at you now. I have no expectation of support for OS3.x in any form. It's a dead OS for a dead system. And besides, what support is really needed that hasn't already been provided over the years by programmers working pro-bono? As for the Vampire, the Apollo Team has been doing a great job and AROS gets better all the time. They don't need your nor Hyperion's support.
And all this talk of pirates is ludicrous. You have to own an existing Amiga to even use a Vampire and I'd wager that 99% of the Vampire users out there already own copies of OS3.x that they purchased legally years ago with their Amigas or in the years after they bought their Amigas. So now you expect them to buy additional copies just because they've added an accelerator card? And let me guess, you'll want them to buy their additional copies from Hyperion?
No thanks. I already own 2 copies of OS3.1 and a copy of 3.9 as well. I'll continue using them and updating/patching as needed until AROS gets a few more touch-ups.
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And sorry to say but the apollo team is behind Apollo OS.
What on earth gave you that impression?! Gasp!! :roflmao:
Could it be all the apollo team members posting sneak peak videos on youtube showing off beta cores, all clearly using something that looks mighty like ApolloOS?? :laughing:
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If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it, but Hyperion only showed interest in OS3 of late and that's only because of the Vampire's popularity.
Really? My understanding is that is this is Thomas and Olaf _only_, and that they (probably with much, much nagging and pestering) talked Hyperion into endorsing this new fork from OS 3.1.
And because of Vampire? I doubt that, there is a whole range of new hardware around, and Vampire is going AROS, remember? :lol:
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Thank goodness you aren't the definitive expert on all things regarding software and piracy.
Too bad he is one of the guys updating the operating system you want so badly to support Apollo Core specific features :roflmao:
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Anyways, by not showing any legal interest at all in pursuing the blatant piracy going on with ApolloOS, even when it has been pointed out for them time and time again, the copyright holders clearly seem to endorse the piracy taking place.
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I know what would really help, a new version of OS3.x since also 3.9 is heavily outdated and in desperate need for an update.
Most people (me included) already bought OS3.9 a long time ago.
Now i did build my own install from scratch with legal purchased software but it's one heck of a task getting OS3.9 somewhere near the modern age.
A lot of users are not able or do not want to go down this really long road to get all the bells and whistles working.
Maybe instead of fighting,finger pointing,and make other ppl look bad maybe we should all work together and DO SOMETHING!
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If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it,
An Os does not need to support the features of a hardware. An Os is the fundament for writing device drivers that then support such features. There will be most certainly no "vampire specific" support in the Os, in the same sense as there was never a specific Phase 5 support in the Os, or a GVP support in the Os. The Os provides sufficient abstractions to support drivers that support whatever hardware needs support for.
So why should anyone believe they now have the resources and the resolve to improve an OS that they've historically discounted as not worth the effort?
There is no "they have resources". There is a "hello there, here is the resource talking to you". Got it?
Based on past history, it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see Hyperion offering any significant OS upgrades for classic Amigas...
There will be no "significant update" given availability, but there will be updates. Whether that is "significant enough" for you I do not know, of course.
There will be certainly less updates if you keep pirating software you do not own.
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Maybe instead of fighting,finger pointing,and make other ppl look bad maybe we should all work together and DO SOMETHING!
Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.
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And all this talk of pirates is ludicrous. You have to own an existing Amiga to even use a Vampire and I'd wager that 99% of the Vampire users out there already own copies of OS3.x that they purchased legally years ago with their Amigas or in the years after they bought their Amigas.
Once again: I have no problem with people using their legal copies on whatever hardware they own. But I do have problems if people like you point potential customers of Os software to a pirated copy instead of just politely asking them to buy the product they want to own.
It is really that simple: If you want to use it, buy it.
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Hi Thomas -
So to cut to the chase ... get a new OS 3.xxx out the door. Support it. We will buy it. Thanks. :)
(https://i.imgflip.com/1yxy14.jpg)
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Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.
I can understand that point of view from your side Thomas, but this is a result of OS3.x not being developed for years now, people just want an easy out of the box install experience.
I'm sure almost all will buy a nicely updated OS3 version that makes everything work out of the box (like integrating Picasso96 as a standard for example,something like reqattack,visualprefs etc).
I would buy a nicely updated os3.x in a heartbeat it's one hell of a task to get my config where it is and be happy to pay for, saves me a lot of hassle and well worth the money.
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something like reqattack,visualprefs etc
Yikes! :)
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I can understand that point of view from your side Thomas, but this is a result of OS3.x not being developed for years now, people just want an easy out of the box install experience.
That is the goal, but please understand that nobody is able to square the circle for you. (Do you get the hint with the version number?)
Just to give you ideas: If I would include P96, people with CGFx hardware would run away and complain (rightfully so). If I would update components such that the result does not work with CGFx anymore, people would run away either. Intuition is such a candidate, unfortunately. It is a bit hard to explain here why, but nobody will be able to get a "great integrated system that works fine everywhere" because the market is too fragmented already, ridden with incompatibilities and market participants that did not want to document their work (hint, hint...).
But there are a sufficient number of anoyances left that deserve fixing anyhow. Even if you still have to install your flavour of RTG software (because I cannot enforce people using a specific system) and even if it requires you to install your favourite GUI tweaks.
Let's be a bit realistic what is possible with the existing resources (two developers, essentially). We really do our best. Please understand that the attitude I'm getting here is not exactly helpful.
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Yikes! :)
No yikes, but just a slightly updated GUI, requesters that appear in the middle of the screen, a magic menu +toolsdaemon menu system as a standard, peterk like icon lib (OS3.9 one is dog slow), MUI that sort of stuff.
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I think it would be nice if somehow the new installer provided the ability to install other packages as "third-party add-ons". Doesn't OS4 do that?
That way you could install AHI, MUI, P96 or CGFx, perhaps a Roadshow demo and a browser (netsurf?) as required all in one shot.
Of course I do not know how it is planned to deliver installation media, so this could be very tricky. I believe OS3.9 was provided on CD... would that be the goal with this update? I assume new ROMs are required.
Cheers!
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We need a OS3.9SE or a OS3.6 or maybe even a OS3.1SE
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Now, guess what: I am doing something - but I have little incentives to support pirates with what I'm doing.
Personally, I think you and guys like Olaf should embrace a new model rather than be encumbered with the old one.
Start a PATREON and be rewarded for your continued work. To heck with contracts from owners of a dead platform. Who knows, perhaps even the Apollo team will become your patreons so that their platform becomes a better sell.
TeamCEMU (Wii U emulator) bring in $16000+ a month...
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Its so funny the Amiga forums are fill of armchair lawyers and vintage copyright police.
They only care about this, what it think they just have fun trolling about copycrap and don't care about anything else amiga related.
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I think it would be nice if somehow the new installer provided the ability to install other packages as "third-party add-ons".
This is actually a very good idea! It could be implemented with, say, Boing Bag 5. BB5 could deliver essential legal updates along with a bunch of scripts that ask to install 3rd party add-ons.
That way you could install AHI, MUI, P96 or CGFx, perhaps a Roadshow demo and a browser (netsurf?) as required all in one shot.
This would breath new life into 3rd party add-on for sure! Especially freely available packages supporting what ever H/W a user might be sporting in their Amiga. Might require maintenance though.
Of course I do not know how it is planned to deliver installation media, so this could be very tricky. I believe OS3.9 was provided on CD... would that be the goal with this update?
It would be really cool if the scripts could go fetch larger packages via the web during installation of BB5 for those with ethernet. Sort of like an AmiUpdate for OS3.9. For those without ethernet, BB5 could have an option to fetch the desired add-on from a specific folder of compressed packages that the user could pre-populate. This would all hinge, of course, on requesters.
I assume new ROMs are required.
Not for most available/existing software. But, new ROMs supporting moving things around for better system performance, based on user H/W, would certainly be welcome.
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It's a two-way street. Why should anyone buy an OS or ROMs from dealers who are merely doing what end-users have been doing for years? Which is copying the CDs/Disks and ROMs. There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?
Let's be real here. The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead. The OS is dead as well. Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.
It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64. No one gets attacked for modding or making those operating systems available on the net for free, but here, this seems to be a haven for arm-chair attorneys who seem to get their rocks off by preaching to anyone who doesn't buy their copy of AmigaOS from a "dealer". Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous. And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous. Only Amiga makes it possible....
This looks like an official product to me!
(http://www.vesalia.de/pic/amigaos39cd.jpg)
Dealers that still have stock are not commiting piracy so that doesn't get you off the hook. Would you pirate Windows 98 or XP just because Microsoft doesn't issue security updates anymore? As I've said before people with this ridiculous take on piracy were partly responsible for the Amiga dying. It didn't become a 'proper' enduring computer platform because people like you expected the games for free!!!! They were £29.99 when console games were £59.99. Chavvy thieving Amiga gamers couldn't even pay half price to the developers and publishers that gave us those classics. Some even wrote out the Alien Breed 3D / Worms code sheets by hand to beat the copy protection. Others wrote out the weird hieroglyphs from The Settlers manual. I've visited 'friends' who had these copies. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now! If sourcing OS 3.9 was a problem I'd understand BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY!!!
... and also if you can afford a Vampire you can afford an AmigaOS CD, it's not expensive and you're supporting Vesalia even if H&P and Amiga Inc and the contributors have long since collected their last pay cheque.
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Once again: I have no problem with people using their legal copies on whatever hardware they own. But I do have problems if people like you point potential customers of Os software to a pirated copy instead of just politely asking them to buy the product they want to own.
It is really that simple: If you want to use it, buy it.
Where in any of my posts have I directed people to pirate software? If they already own OS3.x then I see no problem with them modifying it however they see fit or having someone they trust modify it for them for use on a Vampire. If the person doing the modifications agrees to do it at no cost, then so much the better. What I get tired of are all the folks here who believe that the Amiga will somehow rise from the ashes to relive its glory days and who attempt to capitalize financially on this flawed vision. The Amiga is a dead platform and the OS is also dead no matter what you think of yourself and what patches/updates you've contributed in the past. The Vampire is a hobby just like the retro-console scene. The classic Amiga has been recreated in the form of an FPGA, just like the retro-NES, retro-Genesis, et al....The Vampire only appeals to Amiga owners who want to replace or enhance their aging and/or dead hardware with a new system that has some enhancements over the original Amiga just like the retro-consoles....no more, no less. There can't be more than a couple thousand classic Amiga users across the planet and even fewer planning to buy Vampires....and of these there are probably less than 100 who plan to buy copies of OS3.x because most Amiga enthusiasts already own legal copies. As I said earlier, the Vampire is an accelerator card and you have to already own an Amiga to even use it, so now you expect those users to buy another copy of OS 3.x from Hyperion simply because they've purchased an FPGA based accelerator?
You clowns are fighting over the Amiga's dead carcass like a bunch of decrepit old vultures who don't realize that the carcass has already been picked clean...it's pitiful. No one, including you nor Hyperion, is going to get rich off the Vampire, classic Amigas, nor updates to OS3.x. Hobbyists and enthusiasts working in their spare time will continue to be the driving force behind what's left of classic Amigas and the Vampire, not Hyperion nor people who are looking to get rich from any spin-off markets related to the Vampire. Since Commodore's failure, people better than you have tried and failed to monetize what's left of the Amiga from the ashes, so get over yourself and the fact that the Amiga died in 1992 and isn't returning....that ship has long since sailed.
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So to cut to the chase ... get a new OS 3.xxx out the door. Support it. We will buy it. Thanks. :)
(https://i.imgflip.com/1yxy14.jpg)
I will buy it, if only to pick & chose from among the included libraries for the latest/most updated versions. Same as I've been doing for the past 20 years. ;)
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This looks like an official product to me!
(http://www.vesalia.de/pic/amigaos39cd.jpg)
Dealers that still have stock are not commiting piracy so that doesn't get you off the hook. Would you pirate Windows 98 or XP just because Microsoft doesn't issue security updates anymore? As I've said before people with this ridiculous take on piracy were partly responsible for the Amiga dying. It didn't become a 'proper' enduring computer platform because people like you expected the games for free!!!! They were £29.99 when console games were £59.99. Chavvy thieving Amiga gamers couldn't even pay half price to the developers and publishers that gave us those classics. Some even wrote out the Alien Breed 3D / Worms code sheets by hand to beat the copy protection. Others wrote out the weird hieroglyphs from The Settlers manual. I've visited 'friends' who had these copies. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now! If sourcing OS 3.9 was a problem I'd understand BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY!!!
... and also if you can afford a Vampire you can afford an AmigaOS CD, it's not expensive and you're supporting Vesalia even if H&P and Amiga Inc and the contributors have long since collected their last pay cheque.
Yes, we are in violent agreement that legal copies of OS3.x can still be purchased from dealers. But there ARE unscrupulous dealers who are copying and selling pirated CDs and ROMs.....you don't have to look far....
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@ferrellsl
... and buying one of those unscrupulous copies would be JUST AS illegal as downloading ApolloOS when you don't own the original AmigaOS version it's based on and using at its core! We are not talking about abandonware here. AmigaOS is still developed by Hyperion and H&P although not in the Amiga market any more are still in existence. You can't just steal because you think you can get away with it (although if you have the original disks / CD then fine) and then encourage others to do the same on a public forum (without stipulating they need a software licence) and think that's ok!
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@ferrellsl
... and buying one of those unscrupulous copies would be JUST AS illegal as downloading ApolloOS when you don't own the original AmigaOS version it's based on and using at its core! We are not talking about abandonware here. AmigaOS is still developed by Hyperion and H&P although not in the Amiga market any more are still in existence. You can't just steal because you think you can get away with it (although if you have the original disks / CD then fine) and then encourage others to do the same on a public forum (without stipulating they need a software licence) and think that's ok!
This is where I disagree with you. If I already own OS3.x then it isn't piracy to download a copy off the net. This varies by country so you should be careful who you call a pirate or a thief because this is legal in quite a few places....
As for H&P still developing OS3.x, you are mistaken. They stopped long ago. And saying that Hyperion is currently developing OS3.x for the classic market is a sick joke. Taking Kickstart ROM images and removing the Commodore trademark and adding the Hyperion trademark is not development. It's plagiarism. And collecting a bunch of freely available patches and updates from the net and adding them to the OS3.x disks and packaging it for sale isn't development either.
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Who knows, perhaps even the Apollo team will become your patreons so that their platform becomes a better sell.
If they have spare money, they should use that to cover the loss kipper2k had building boards for them first.
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This thread was about to help a guy get his vampire working, and the copyright nazis fully derailed it into a nonsense law discussion.
I could suggest him go to the apollo-core forum there he could get some help.
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This is where I disagree with you. If I already own OS3.x then it isn't piracy to download a copy off the net. This varies by country so you should be careful who you call a pirate or a thief because this is legal in quite a few places....
As for H&P still developing OS3.x, you are mistaken. They stopped long ago. And saying that Hyperion is currently developing OS3.x for the classic market is a sick joke. Taking Kickstart ROM images and removing the Commodore trademark and adding the Hyperion trademark is not development. It's plagiarism. And collecting a bunch of freely available patches and updates from the net and adding them to the OS3.x disks and packaging it for sale isn't development either.
RE-read my post please. You've got the complete wrong end of the stick on a couple of important points.
1) I said it's less of a concern if you OWN the physical copy already i.e. the OS3.9 CD.
2) H&P may NOT be IN the AMIGA MARKET ANY MORE but THEY STILL EXIST!!!!!!
3) Hyperion actively develops AmigaOS (I didn't specifiy OS3.x). But Cloanto DOES sell OS3.1 on it's Amiga Forever package so IT IS STILL GETTING SOLD!
AMIGA OS IS NOT ABANDONWARE YOU CAN'T JUST STEAL IT OR SUGGEST TO OTHERS (HOWEVER TECHNICALLY / LEGALLY INEPT OR IMPRESSIONABLE THEY ARE) THAT IT IS OK TO DO SO!
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3) Hyperion actively develop AmigaOS
:laughing:
(sorry, I had to. Just that use of the word "actively", lol) ;)
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I could suggest him go to the apollo-core forum there he could get some help.
Indeed you could, and you should :)
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@soviet
He got the help he needed. To install ApolloOS. flaviosr (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=4617) had an official copy of OS3.9 he just couldn't get the CD install working on a A500 + Vampire. SpeedD408 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=17844) who offered the advice clarified that he too had an official OS3.9 copy so everything is fine. I doubt everyone on the Apollo-core forum is so honest. Maybe there should be a requirement to insert an original CD-ROM during the install process to dispel the reputation of ApolloOS as a pirate's dream?
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@soviet
He got the help he needed. To install ApolloOS. flaviosr (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=4617) had an official copy of OS3.9 he just couldn't get the CD install working on a A500 + Vampire. SpeedD408 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=17844) who offered the advice clarified that he too had an official OS3.9 copy so everything is fine. I doubt everyone on the Apollo-core forum is so honest. Maybe there should be a requirement to insert an original CD-ROM during the install process to dispel the reputation of ApolloOS as a pirate's dream?
I hope I have found the help I am needing now.
And yes, I have an original copy of OS3.1, OS3.5 and OS3.9 (also older OSes).
I have tested Apollo-OS to see my Vampire working (my fear was to have a bad card). Now I am waiting some new stuff from AmiKit and I hope I will be able to have a "bad girl Amiga"! :)
I have also other Amiga and I could have used a copy of their OS3.9 but Apollo-OS is pre configured for Vampire and the test have been much more easier.
I hope to have a DVD, two CF, an LS-120 (to be found), the SD and I hope also to add USB and Ethernet! :) A big project and, I have to be true, Apollo-OS solved many of my doubts! If I get some results I post them while I make steps...
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I hope I have found the help I am needing now.
And yes, I have an original copy of OS3.1, OS3.5 and OS3.9 (also older OSes).
I have tested Apollo-OS to see my Vampire working (my fear was to have a bad card). Now I am waiting some new stuff from AmiKit and I hope I will be able to have a "bad girl Amiga"! :)
I have also other Amiga and I could have used a copy of their OS3.9 but Apollo-OS is pre configured for Vampire and the test have been much more easier.
I hope to have a DVD, two CF, an LS-120 (to be found), the SD and I hope also to add USB and Ethernet! :) A big project and, I have to be true, Apollo-OS solved many of my doubts! If I get some results I post them while I make steps...
Try the sdnet thing need only the Ethernet module and a micro-sd extender is like 5 usd total. It take me some work to solder it but is much faster than the plip box and cheaper. Works fine using miami dx, but you need to upgrade to gold 2.5 if you still have gold 2.
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Try the sdnet thing need only the Ethernet module and a micro-sd extender is like 5 usd total. It take me some work to solder it but is much faster than the plip box and cheaper. Works fine using miami dx, but you need to upgrade to gold 2.5 if you still have gold 2.
I keep seeing bits of info regarding using the microSD slot with Ethernet and WiFi, but is there an idiots guide to getting the adapter and setting it up? Complete with pointers or links on where to purchase, etc.?
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I'm not interested in writing a guide in how to set up a raspberry pi as wifi bridge, but I can suggest this for those who just want a small, cheap and functional bridge:
https://mikrotik.com/product/RBmAPL-2nD
Any old AirPort access point from Apple will also do btw, and most from dlink as well, it's a rather standard feature.
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As for parts, I used these. It was back in May or so, hopefully still available.
http://s.aliexpress.com/rENrMbqa
http://s.aliexpress.com/Mf2QfaAN
The guide for building the adapter also suggests a resistor on one of the pins, but it seems most people ignore that.
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I keep seeing bits of info regarding using the microSD slot with Ethernet and WiFi, but is there an idiots guide to getting the adapter and setting it up? Complete with pointers or links on where to purchase, etc.?
If you don't have gold 2.5 first update download here and update:
Download http://wiki.apollo-accelerators.com/#latest_drivers
Download sdnet package:
Inside the file is a txt that explains in detail how to build the adapter and get it working
http://www.apollo-accelerators.com/files/sdnet0.8.lha
Then you have this threads some extra info:
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=5¬e=9430
http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=5¬e=6761
This is what i have purchased
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-3V-Mini-ENC28J60-Ethernet-LAN-Network-Module-For-51-AVR-STM32-LPC-2014/171265871630?epid=1233312767&hash=item27e03dcf0e:g:1LQAAOxyf1dTHsrj
For my adapter used this removed the ribbon and soldered wires to it but if you are not experienced using the soldering iron go for the breakout board:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/TF-Male-To-MicroSD-Female-Card-Reader-Extension-Adapter-Cable-For-Phone-GPS-TV/282556109576?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=581720082432&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Breakout board you just need to solder a header and use DuPont wires to connect the Ethernet module i hear that this boards can be badly design and can be to fat so it can destroy your micro sd slot when insert it you have to check the one you purchase for defects:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-SD-Modul-Board-Shield-Breakout-for-Arduino/332000350622?epid=2244433972&hash=item4d4cc3519e:g:jgwAAOSwYIxYAPpO
When you finish building the module the driver includes a test program.
Then you need a tcp/ip stack on your amiga if your are not familiar its another can of worms.
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Excellent, thanks soviet and kolla!
Already running Gold Core 2.5 and am familiar with TCP/IP stacks, etc. :)
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I am quite blockhead. I have just bought a 4×EIDE'99 Buffered Interface.
Now my more than crazy idea is to use the primary IDE channel for TWO IDEtoCF (I have to find a way to put them on the back of the Amiga) and the secondary IDE channel for the CD-ROM and... now I have to find a slim LS120! :)
And a clockport interface for A500... but one step near the other!
@flaviosr or anyone else: Did you get the 4xEIDE'99 working with the Vampire?
I asked in another thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72877&highlight=EIDE%2799
got a couple responses
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@flaviosr or anyone else: Did you get the 4xEIDE'99 working with the Vampire?
I asked in another thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=72877&highlight=EIDE%2799
got a couple responses
I see from your thread that a guy have been able to use 4xIDE99 with an Amiga 2000.
I just ordered the card from Amikit and... they are terribly sloooooooowwww...
Order one week ago it has not yet been shipped.
As soon as I have it I give a feedback.
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Vampire is not very compatible no. Lots of things break as their priority is writing new apps and tools and not legacy compatibility. This is a problem going forward. Its too bad as its a cool and innovative project. But for some reason they leaders want to create some new OS for vampire.
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Just download https://apolloos.weebly.com/ write it to CF and you are running.
Ignore the copyright police, they are running on the waambulance very busy enforcing the copyright of dead products that have expired copyrights.
(https://image.ibb.co/fSVsTG/wambulance_logo.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Also you can run your installation inside winuae if you wish i have seen that amikitX will be available for the vampire shortly using a modified installer.
Ignore the "copyright police" yeah you idiot ignore the developers tons of hard work and many man hours.. sure just steal their work. You are a real hero
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Ignore the "copyright police" yeah you idiot ignore the developers tons of hard work and many man hours.. sure just steal their work. You are a real hero
Yawn.
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Vampire is not very compatible no. Lots of things break as their priority is writing new apps and tools and not legacy compatibility. This is a problem going forward. Its too bad as its a cool and innovative project. But for some reason they leaders want to create some new OS for vampire.
Why almost everything works on my vamp then ? i think it's very compatible backwards wise.
Also do not forget 68080 is a MUCH more modern/advanced beast then 68060.
All system/OS friendly software just works that's it.
I got my own hand build OS3.9 install (and yes i have a legal original copy of OS3.9) installed almost every hack/patch and add-on known to Amiga kind and it runs rock solid.
To put in another perspective the old PPC cards where not compatible, because you needed WarpOS and specially written software to make use of PPC.
With the FPU now shaping up, Vampire is gaining more compatibility again.
My point is that with going forward you will always loose some compatibility and must find workarounds to regain backwards compatibility, but in this case it's very very little, heck you dont even need the 68040.library anymore.
Until WHDload you could not play any or almost none of the old games for A500 on 040 and 060, to have WHDload tuned in for vamp will take time.
The only thing i cannot run ATM is AGA software because it's not implemented yet.
Sure when writing new apps that take full advantage of apollo-core features will not run on older 68K CPU's, but it makes software possible that would never run anywhere decent on 040 and 060 (like playing mpeg on 640x360@24 or 30 fps consistent) or run Netsurf usable.
And to put in further perspective probably there are now more active vampire users then 060 users, if not then it will be in the very near future.
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A small update.
I finally received my new 99xEIDE card.
I installed the "primary" CF on the primary IDE44 connector and a CD as master and a CF as slave on the secondary IDE40 connector.
At first I tried my old 99xEIDE drivers, simply since I had them in ADF and I could load them with the Gotek emulator... no results and I hanged the Amiga. :(
I then used the NEW driver and now the CD is working and I have been able to install OS3.9!!!
And the issues I had with files loaded from the floppy (real floppy) now seem disappeared.
It's only strange that the preference program do see the second CF but I cannot see it working! :(
And that I have some problems loading some OS3.9 programs...
More info to follow!
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A small update.
I finally received my new 99xEIDE card.
I installed the "primary" CF on the primary IDE44 connector and a CD as master and a CF as slave on the secondary IDE40 connector.
At first I tried my old 99xEIDE drivers, simply since I had them in ADF and I could load them with the Gotek emulator... no results and I hanged the Amiga. :(
I then used the NEW driver and now the CD is working and I have been able to install OS3.9!!!
And the issues I had with files loaded from the floppy (real floppy) now seem disappeared.
It's only strange that the preference program do see the second CF but I cannot see it working! :(
And that I have some problems loading some OS3.9 programs...
More info to follow!
Thanks for the update!!!!
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Woooooo... finally I got it!!! In my previous tests I was not able to see the second CF on the second channel (as a secondary device of the CD-ROM).
So I decided to reinstall AmigaOS 3.1 from the scratch so also installing the newest EIDE'99 drivers (I previously installed the newer drivers over older ones).
And now everything seems to be the right way...
Now the difficult part... "rework" the case of the Amiga to fit everything!
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Woooooo... finally I got it!!! In my previous tests I was not able to see the second CF on the second channel (as a secondary device of the CD-ROM).
So I decided to reinstall AmigaOS 3.1 from the scratch so also installing the newest EIDE'99 drivers (I previously installed the newer drivers over older ones).
And now everything seems to be the right way...
Now the difficult part... "rework" the case of the Amiga to fit everything!
Very cool! congrats!!!
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Piracy does more good than bad, in my opinion.
Many people all over the world (me included) got to experience games, movies, TV and music that we would never get our hands on otherwise, either for lack of availability or money.
Not everything is available everywhere to buy.
Yes, its easier these days due to globalization, but when I grew up during the late 70s and 80s, it was really hard to get lots of stuff legally, sometimes impossible.
And then there's the subject of Hardware sales, which always spike when a platform is hacked/cracked.
DVD and Blu-Ray would've been small niche products if copying them was not possible, same with lots of other media types and formats.
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@thread
all non-amiga discussion about corporal punishment has been moved here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73061). please keep posts in this thread at least tangentially related to vampire cards and the amiga. thanks. :)
-- eliyahu
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Piracy does more good than bad, in my opinion. Many people all over the world (me included) got to experience games, movies, TV and music that we would never get our hands on otherwise, either for lack of availability or money.
Not everything is available everywhere to buy.
Yes, its easier these days due to globalization, but when I grew up during the late 70s and 80s, it was really hard to get lots of stuff legally, sometimes impossible.
And then there's the subject of Hardware sales, which always spike when a platform is hacked/cracked.
DVD and Blu-Ray would've been small niche products if copying them was not possible, same with lots of other media types and formats.
Your opinion not withstanding, piracy steals income from the creators and discourages development.
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Your opinion not withstanding, piracy steals income from the creators and discourages development.
In some sense it does. With my career in the industry I can see it from my point of view -- video games put food on my table. At the same time I won't lie, the vast, VAST majority of games I played and loved I never would have had without piracy when I was a teenager.
...but those were different days. We live in a weird situation now. I can go to a bundle site today and get some great games *FOR LESS THAN THE PRICE OF A FLOPPY DISK* that was needed to pirate a game back in the day. I literally spent more money on pirating a game back then than I spend now legitimately buying a game.
Sure there are some AAA games now that are still expensive, and I can see how some people might still pirate them, but I'm older now and have more money, so if there's a game I really want I buy it -- or I wait a bit and it's cheaper -- or I wait only a couple of years and suddenly it's pennies on the dollar to buy it.
The funny thing now is that there's no longer much economic incentive for piracy for me. Piracy today seems more useful to get around broken/restrictive DRM. I have *boxed* games now that don't work out of the box and I have to download a crack to actually use them. =P
I dunno, I think it's just plain easier to rail on piracy now. I think we need to keep things in perspective about how expensive/different things were in the past (particularly for people in Eastern Europe before and shortly after the iron curtain came down).
And now, back to the original topic, I don't think we'll ever see 100% Vampire compatibility -- just "close enough". They don't want to sacrifice performance to implement expensive fixes for a few tiny edge cases. In that sense, whdload+piracy will save the old games we'd really like to play.
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Well AmigaHope, that's a long winded rationalization for theft nonetheless.
You even threw the poor eastern Europeans in the mix for extra credit.
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Just explaining the difference between then and now and the causes/motivations for piracy.
For instance, I have legitimately paid for around 4000 games in the past 10 years. I don't think that gives me the moral authority to go back in time to tell my 13-year-old self to go buy 4000 games. The financial weight of 4000 games today feels more like 40 games back in the day.