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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: eliyahu on October 29, 2017, 02:13:08 PM
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for those of us who were unable to attend the amiga32 show in neuss, here are a collection of show reports, photos, and videos from attendees posted elsewhere thus far. please post in this thread if you have any additions to the list, and i'll update this post with the information. thanks!
reports
show report from amigaone x5000 blog (link (https://amigax5000.blog/2017/10/29/amiga-32/))
show report from amitopia.com (link (http://amitopia.com/amiga32-in-neuss-germany-report/))
news summary in german from tommysammy on a1k.org (link (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120653&postcount=732))
amiga32 news updates at amigafuture (summary (http://www.amigafuture.de/portal.php?page=2&article=43835), hyperion (http://www.amigafuture.de/portal.php?article=43847), ibrowse (http://www.amigafuture.de/portal.php?article=43847))
photos
photos from A-EON on facebook (link (https://www.facebook.com/pg/AEonTechnologyLtd/photos/))
photos from amigasuisse.ch (link (http://amigasuisse.ch/occc/gallery/index.php?gallery=Amiga32%20Neuss%202017))
photos from christian zigotzky (link (https://plus.google.com/115515624056477014971))
photos from flathamster on a1k.org (link (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120100&postcount=664))
photos from giny on a1k.org (part 1 (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120321&postcount=692), part 2 (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120322&postcount=693), part 3 (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120327&postcount=694))
photos from sebastian bergmann (link (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastian_bergmann/sets/72157665540230389))
photos from camouflage on a1k.org (link (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120513&postcount=8))
photos on 4every.de (link (http://4every.de/Amiga/Amiga32-WebGallery/index.html))
photos from amiga future magazine on facebook (link (https://www.facebook.com/pg/amigafuture.de/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1456169211128302))
videos
"dave, ron, and jeff at amiga32" from cloanto on youtube (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_dAZ5R6yNI))
"overview of show" from benoit wible on youtube (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMyydC4rgs0))
"vampire gold at amiga32" from mike nurney on youtube (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpRUVGM8R7s))
"amiga32 event" from mike nurney on youtube (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVac1n2fSVA))
"amiga32 in neuss" from vor ort (german language) on youtube (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq-gPRVEt6k))
a hat-tip to number6 at amigaworld.net for many of these links. keep 'em coming, folks! :)
-- eliyahu
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for those of you who don't speak german, here is my rough translation of tommysammy's summary of news from the show linked above (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1120653&postcount=732) from a1k.org:
- Wings Remastered for Amiga has been released, and I got my copy. You get two CDs, one was empty and one with the 95% finished game
- Tower57 could be viewed; it looks very good
- Spencer [a new game from Entwickler-x for AmigaOS 4.1] could be viewed
- A new version of Final Burn Alpha [a console/arcade emulation package for AmigaOS 4.1 from HunoPPC] could be viewed
- A Tabor [board from A-EON] running AmigaOS 4.1 could be viewed.
- A X5000 [system from A-EON] running AmigaOS4.1 could be admired
- The ALICE notebook is ready and was available for purchase. I liked it very much.
- Enhancer 2.0 with the latest drivers was on display. All GPU VRAM is now fully recognized and [A-EON] are working on a driver for the Polaris-based RadeonHD graphics cards
- IBrowse 2.5 could be tested, looks very promising.
- Workbench 3.1 Update 1 was shown by Hyperion
- Reshoot R [a 68K game] was there to admire
- Inviyya could be tried
- AlartCity could be tried
- Vampire 2 and 4 were shown. You could AGA games and Quake on an Amiga 600!!!! The music videos they were playing were awesome
- Amiga Joker [a German Amiga gaming magazine] could be purchased
-- eliyahu
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the update for AmigaOS 3.1 is apparently not small. here is a photo (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNN5HH1WAAEIWSq.jpg) of all the changes currently complete by olaf barthel and thomas richter courtesy of the amigaworld.de twitter account. way to go, hyperion!!
-- eliyahu
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Thanks much Eliyahu & #6!
Already viewed most of the photos and they're great! So many Amiga peeps! Thx for "photos from Christian Zigotzky (link (https://plus.google.com/115515624056477014971))" ! I had quit following Ubuntu for PPC quit a while ago as I honestly thought 6.0.3 was THE last version for PPC - I could have swore I read a long time ago that Ubuntu was no longer developing for PPC. So these new PPC MATE devs are a real treat to me! :) New life for my 3 PPC Mac Mini's!
And new life for AOS3.1!!!
And good to see Jens there! Was there even a hint of development for the A1200 reloaded?
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Yes Jens' mentioned A1200 Reloaded development is a long way already, but announcements weren't possible yet because he has applied for a patent for some features.
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Yes Jens' mentioned A1200 Reloaded development is a long way already, but announcements weren't possible yet because he has applied for a patent for some features.
So long as he doesn't use it to wield a hammer over any competing products such as the Vampire Standalone or C64 Unlimited board.
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What can there be to patent on a computer based on a 25 year old technology using the 25 year old original chips? The published specs don't suggest anything novel so has the design changed radically in some way since the specs were published a couple of years ago?
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the update for AmigaOS 3.1 is apparently not small. here is a photo (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNN5HH1WAAEIWSq.jpg) of all the changes currently complete by olaf barthel and thomas richter courtesy of the amigaworld.de twitter account. way to go, hyperion!!
-- eliyahu
This should, finally, explain the "door 3" option Olaf mentioned a while ago. I afraid nobody understood the pointer, and I had a hard time keeping my mouth shut.
But yes, there is quite something. Please do not expect a revolutionary step, it is - if the text wasn't already explicit enough - a bugfix release.
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@Thomas Richter
i am delighted that you, olaf, and hyperion are collaborating on getting this update out. a massive thanks to all involved! :)
-- eliyahu
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Wow so many people great to see. Think might need a bigger venu next year AMiga 33. Maybe one day I get to goto one. Shame there was no live stream of the event.
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the update for AmigaOS 3.1 is apparently not small. here is a photo (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNN5HH1WAAEIWSq.jpg) of all the changes currently complete by olaf barthel and thomas richter courtesy of the amigaworld.de twitter account. way to go, hyperion!!
-- eliyahu
It'll be interesting to break that down and compare version numbers with all of the existing updates for 3.9, etc. Although I think we're now going to wind up where version numbers aren't even an accurate way of identifying how updated a system is - for example a higher version number on a library that came out in 2001, being not as updated as a lower version number file that comes out with this update.
TL;DR. Uugh, what a mess. :(
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It'll be interesting to break that down and compare version numbers with all of the existing updates for 3.9, etc.
They are currently V45 and V46, if this makes you feel any better. From what I currently have, components come always from the latest version of which copyright and source were available, and I hope we can keep it this way.
This is often, but not always what was delivered with 3.9. Not all authors did transmit copyright in the past, and for some components, we simply do not know.
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Thats precisely what worries me - the only people who might be infringing on any associated patents would be whom ? and how does that help the scene grow ?
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Shame there was no live stream of the event.
There was this....... https://www.pscp.tv/w/1YqKDLMelRAKV :)
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Thats precisely what worries me - the only people who might be infringing on any associated patents would be whom ? and how does that help the scene grow ?
Patents? Actually, I wrote about copyright. One of the components that are lost is the hdwrench.library by Joanne Dow. Hence, the 3.9 HDToolBox is not available anymore, unless Joanne releases the copyright. Another component that is lost is the narrator.library, originally from Softvoice. Narrator is lost since 2.1, actually, probably for the same reason.
If you have a copy of 3.9, you can of course still use the binaries, but they cannot be included in the bugfix release for this very reason.
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This should, finally, explain the "door 3" option Olaf mentioned a while ago. I afraid nobody understood the pointer, and I had a hard time keeping my mouth shut.
But yes, there is quite something. Please do not expect a revolutionary step, it is - if the text wasn't already explicit enough - a bugfix release.
:)
Well, Im sure you anticipate 100 questions even tho you CLEARLY state its a bugfix release;
Do you have anything planned for the future beyond this? I guess the answer hinges on the demand for the bugfix release etc...?
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They are currently V45 and V46, if this makes you feel any better. From what I currently have, components come always from the latest version of which copyright and source were available, and I hope we can keep it this way.
This is often, but not always what was delivered with 3.9. Not all authors did transmit copyright in the past, and for some components, we simply do not know.
Thanks! That is helpful. Shame about HDToolbox though, as you mentioned. Since this is a pretty essential tool for using modern drives. The obvious next question would be, is anyone in the development team still in touch with her that could ask?
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Thanks! That is helpful. Shame about HDToolbox though, as you mentioned. Since this is a pretty essential tool for using modern drives. The obvious next question would be, is anyone in the development team still in touch with her that could ask?
There will be a HDToolBox, with all features included as needed. It is just based on the one from Os 3.1. The GUI looks as ugly as the source code, but it works.
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Yes Jens' mentioned A1200 Reloaded development is a long way already, but announcements weren't possible yet because he has applied for a patent for some features.
This doesn't make sense. If he applied for a patent, he can talk all he wants about it because he has got his rights secured.
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This doesn't make sense. If he applied for a patent, he can talk all he wants about it because he has got his rights secured.
You typically do not want to talk until you have at least a pending patent. This typically takes some days before you get your notification. Been there, done that.
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the update for AmigaOS 3.1 is apparently not small. here is a photo (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNN5HH1WAAEIWSq.jpg) of all the changes currently complete by olaf barthel and thomas richter courtesy of the amigaworld.de twitter account. way to go, hyperion!!
-- eliyahu
Wow!! I will need to do some 'clean installs' in the future. If an updated 3.1 with all the fixes, updates and patches became available that would be 'most excellent' indeed.
If that goofy 4GB limit on the first/boot partition could be lifted that would be a nice bonus.
Nice work Thor and Olaf. :)
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You typically do not want to talk until you have at least a pending patent. This typically takes some days before you get your notification. Been there, done that.
Then the correct wording and tense would have been: "I am going to apply for a patent".
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Thanks for your efforts Thor and Olaf!
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Please do not expect a revolutionary step, it is - if the text wasn't already explicit enough - a bugfix release.
I don't think there are too many of us here that care too much that it isn't revolutionary. I think we are just appreciative that you've taken the time to make improvements. Thank you very much!
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But yes, there is quite something. Please do not expect a revolutionary step, it is - if the text wasn't already explicit enough - a bugfix release.
Do you take user requests and input? Hehe :p
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How do the naming conventions in Amiga updates work. If 3.1 is updated wouldn't it be 3.2 or 3.5 or 3.9? Oh wait, the last two already exist.
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I wonder what has motivated this development? The sale of the stand alone Vampire/ A1200 Reloaded? There's got to be money in this but if you've already got OS 3.9 why bother so it must be for new hardware IMHO.
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I wonder what has motivated this development? The sale of the stand alone Vampire/ A1200 Reloaded? There's got to be money in this but if you've already got OS 3.9 why bother so it must be for new hardware IMHO.
That's what I was thinking... however, Mike raises some interesting points regarding OS3.9 and these new OS3.1 bug fixes.
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How do the naming conventions in Amiga updates work.
Arbitrarily, it is hard to see any consistent system.
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Feature request for HDToolBox - the ability to input size of partition in MiBs. Dragging sliders is no good solution when you want a 512MiB partition on a 1TB disk, unless an option to "zoom" in and out is also added, and adjusting total number of cylinders up and down manually is also tedious.
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I also request 68000 compatibility, as the 68SEC000 is the only 68k left in production.
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I was also there at amiga 32. Great show. super
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How do the naming conventions in Amiga updates work. If 3.1 is updated wouldn't it be 3.2 or 3.5 or 3.9? Oh wait, the last two already exist.
Well, I guess the joke wouldn't work so well if we give it another name. It'll be pretty round update, you know...
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I also request 68000 compatibility, as the 68SEC000 is the only 68k left in production.
No worries, that's all 68K only.
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I wonder what has motivated this development? The sale of the stand alone Vampire/ A1200 Reloaded? There's got to be money in this but if you've already got OS 3.9 why bother so it must be for new hardware IMHO.
It's not for new hardware. I was just anoyed about all the bugs I collected. Look, it all started with a couple of components I did back then for 4.0, of which the updated layers is just one of them. I was just getting sad by all the sources sitting around here. So, let's exchange the old bugs for new bugs.
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Amiga32 showreport from MjNurney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpRUVGM8R7s
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@Niding
thanks for the link! i've added it to the top-post. :)
-- eliyahu
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How do the naming conventions in Amiga updates work. If 3.1 is updated wouldn't it be 3.2 or 3.5 or 3.9? Oh wait, the last two already exist.
3.2 existed for the Walker... I guess it could be 3.11 (for workgroups) but I've been told it being referred to as 3.1.4.
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@Thomas Richter,
That's a bit of full list there, Impressive. I look forward to taking it for a spin.
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Much longer showreport from MjNurney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVac1n2fSVA
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So, let's exchange the old bugs for new bugs.
Is there a bug tracker somewhere, showing status of known bugs?
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Is there a bug tracker somewhere, showing status of known bugs?
Yes, of course. For betatesters.
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Did A Cube System atendede to the shpw? Any news from them?
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Acube were in attendance showing a Sam440 and Sam 460 motherboards even though they are no longer in production. They also had a PC showing off some slides advertising about a PPC Netbook that they wanted people to support
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Acube were in attendance showing a Sam440 and Sam 460 motherboards even though they are no longer in production. They also had a PC showing off some slides advertising about a PPC Netbook that they wanted people to support
i really wish the SAM460 was still available. :(
-- eliyahu
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another photo album and two more videos added to the top post (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=832338&postcount=1). :)
-- eliyahu
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I like the new themes!
http://amitopia.com/a-closer-look-at-the-amazing-morphos-3-10-update-at-amiga32/