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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: DWV on August 07, 2017, 04:37:09 AM
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Looking for a 386 or 486 bridgeboard, may also consider a 286 if the price is right.
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I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.
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I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.
I've never found shipping into Australia to be particularly odious, but the delivery time makes you wonder if Polynesians in dugouts are used to get packages to and from that country. :hammer:
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It's because our posties are always pre-occupied with something:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZblmoMy.jpg)
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It's because our posties are always pre-occupied with something:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZblmoMy.jpg)
Hey! Don't knock moped racing! I own a Derbi Predator LC myself. :roflmao:
Now yabby farming, there's a weird Australian preoccupation.
(http://nswaqua.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2006-09-23-037.jpg)
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I've never found shipping into Australia to be particularly odious, but the delivery time makes you wonder if Polynesians in dugouts are used to get packages to and from that country. :hammer:
Still quicker than US snail mail across the country then. ;)
Looking for a 386 or 486 bridgeboard, may also consider a 286 if the price is right.
You do know it's possible to upgrade a 286/386 based unit to a 486 unit? Good.
You might find this megathread of use in getting the thing going.OK, Wally had a 8086 based system but had to rebuild the whole software base of it from the ground up. Good illustration and pitfalls to avoid.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71885&highlight=Bridgeboard
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Still quicker than US snail mail across the country then. ;)
Not really, my shipments can reach anywhere in the continental US in 2 to 3 days via Priority Mail (which is only marginally more expense than First Class postage).
And it IS a slightly larger country than the UK. :)
You do know it's possible to upgrade a 286/386 based unit to a 486 unit?
'486 upgrades for the '386 I'm aware of, but how would you upgrade a '286?
That cpu is quite a bit more primitive than the '386 and above.
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There were some kits to upgrade 286 to 486SLC.
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Not really, my shipments can reach anywhere in the continental US in 2 to 3 days via Priority Mail (which is only marginally more expense than First Class postage).
And it IS a slightly larger country than the UK. :)
Sending a consignment cross state in the US has no comparison.
Have you EVER checked the importation rules for Australia? No, you just mark it as "personal item".
Actually playing by the import rules is a very time consuming business.
That's before it even gets there.
The size of the UK is completely irrelevent to the UK, although I will admit, US egos are FAR larger.
And waistlines (does Russian sign language for "American").
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The size of the UK is completely irrelevent to the UK, although I will admit, US egos are FAR larger.
Seriously? Nothing compares to the British ego. Every generation seems to think its somehow entitled to leave its mark on the world. And when the rest of the world stopped paying much attention...
Empire...its a concept we aren't to familiar with. Seems a bit...presumptive?
Although we DID inherit our disregard for 'dark' people from Europe.
The US, India, South Africa, that British sense of superiority really did wonders for those nations.
As to shipping into Australia, yeah, it is pretty easy. They've never questioned anything I've sent to an individual.
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Seriously? Nothing compares to the British ego. Every generation seems to think its somehow entitled to leave its mark on the world. And when the rest of the world stopped paying much attention...
Empire...its a concept we aren't to familiar with. Seems a bit...presumptive?
Although we DID inherit our disregard for 'dark' people from Europe.
The US, India, South Africa, that British sense of superiority really did wonders for those nations.
As to shipping into Australia, yeah, it is pretty easy. They've never questioned anything I've sent to an individual.
After some reflection, I think we are talking about two different meanings of "ego".
I was talking about the emotional outburst, hystrionic sort of ego. John Macenroe sort of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+mcenroe+angry
There are more than 2 meanings anyway. They are different in US and UK cultures.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ego
Anyway, I'll admit it's a bogus point. I mean, how is ego measured anyway? It's not like a ruler or calipers work. :confused:
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No, not a bogus point at all, and an interesting insight that I hadn't considered.
Culturally, there are vast differences, and more than a certain amount of 'uncouth' behavior this side of the Atlantic.
The British seem to value subtlety as much as our resident from the New England States.
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Culturally, there are vast differences, and more than a certain amount of 'uncouth' behavior this side of the Atlantic.
If guns weren't banned here, the murder rate would be astronomical. Current flavour is acid attacks to the face - crippling but non lethal.
Uncouth behaviour is considered "normal" in some subcultures all over the planet. The BBC is very, very misleading on these points.
Wanna taste? Try watching Harry Brown. Not that accurate, but the flavour is close.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1289406/videoplayer/vi3650356505?ref_=vi_nxt_ap
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Interesting, never saw that before.
BTW - Battery acid, eh? Damn, just shoot me!
Actually, I'm surprised our murder rate isn't higher.
We have become increasing hostile in my time, and I don't see that improving any time soon.
But violence is related to crimes of passion and those with a monetary motive.
Outlawing specific weapons just forces people to choose alternatives, and prevents self defense.
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Outlawing specific weapons just forces people to choose alternatives, and prevents self defense.
Arguable. I think the real answer is to remove the motive for violence.
Anyway, an even better movie, although extremely violent (no guns) is the New Zealand classic Once Were Warriors.
At least body armour is street legal in the UK, up to level IIIA. Which means toys like this are technically OK, although I doubt a policeman would agree.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/sas-soldiers-trial-star-warsstyle-bulletproof-helmets-with-heatseeking-technology/news-story/b89ac0e94ac52ef8a380331b8b7da3b5
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Arguable. I think the real answer is to remove the motive for violence.
Some would suggest that aggression and violence are hard wired into us, and have provided part of our drive and motivation to succeed.
Observing the behavior of other mammals, I am not sure that isn't a valid argument.
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Some would suggest that aggression and violence are hard wired into us, and have provided part of our drive and motivation to succeed.
Observing the behavior of other mammals, I am not sure that isn't a valid argument.
Sheep? Cows? Rabbits? Herbivores are usually non-violent. OK, the males will fight each other for mating rights, but it's not to the death.
Not sure about the primates - some can be cannibals like chimpanzees. I think orang-utans are an example of a largely peaceful primate?
Perhaps males will simply be made extinct, but there are examples of female human serial killers, so I'm of the opinion that violent behaviour isn't based on sex or species.
Maybe tendency to violence is partly based on habit. Bad habits die out because the individuals that practice them die out. Good habits get maintained.
Addictive habits are very hard to break, but not impossible.
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What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
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What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
Oh... Right, the bridgeboard.
I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.
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Sheep? Cows? Rabbits? Herbivores are usually non-violent. OK, the males will fight each other for mating rights, but it's not to the death.
Not sure about the primates - some can be cannibals like chimpanzees. I think orang-utans are an example of a largely peaceful primate?
Perhaps males will simply be made extinct, but there are examples of female human serial killers, so I'm of the opinion that violent behaviour isn't based on sex or species.
Maybe tendency to violence is partly based on habit. Bad habits die out because the individuals that practice them die out. Good habits get maintained.
Addictive habits are very hard to break, but not impossible.
Orangutans? No they abuse each other too.
Elephants, rhinos, hippos...all herbivores and all potentially quite dangerous, and not because you are in competition for potential mates.
And male rabbits kill baby rabbits in order to encourage the females to go back into heat.
Violence as a habit? Possibly violence as part of a bad decision chain, but habituation? I'm not letting violent people off by using that excuse (it was my upbringing, its society's fault, I have issues...etc).
And extinction? That is probably inevitable, we've been predicting our immanent demise for most of recorded history.
What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
Nothing what so ever Mike.
BTW - Why does anyone WANT a bridgeboard?
The cpus used in them top out at a very low performance point.
And the software that is compatible with them is, at best, primitive.
There aren't even any really decent accelerated video cards for the ISA bus.
And its not like software running on a bridgeboard is incorporated into the Amiga environment.
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BTW - Why does anyone WANT a bridgeboard?
I don't know man, I don't know. Although I still kind of want one of those "PowerPC" boards for the A500 trap door. No use for it, and no time, really, but always thought they were pretty cool back in the day. Nostalgia, I guess? Or maybe file transfer with old PC's? People do have their reasons, just ask that guy who had the thread with like 500 comments on it about bridgeboards. ;)
In one of the other forums I participate in (a forum for Chevy trucks) a guy recently gave me grief because I took apart my dashboard to add some USB ports. He was all like "Why not just use one of those little cigarette lighter adapters to add USB plugs?" -- Well, maybe because I didn't want to, bud. Why does anybody do anything? Why not just drive around stock vehicles like they came from the factory, or use bone-stock, unmodified Amiga's like god and Commodore intended, right? :laughing:
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In one of the other forums I participate in (a forum for Chevy trucks) a guy recently gave me grief because I took apart my dashboard to add some USB ports. He was all like "Why not just use one of those little cigarette lighter adapters to add USB plugs?" -- Well, maybe because I didn't want to, bud. Why does anybody do anything? Why not just drive around stock vehicles like they came from the factory, or use bone-stock, unmodified Amiga's like god and Commodore intended, right? :laughing:
A-f'n-men. Why do we climb the mountain? Because it's there. If you don't get it then move on.
I have a bridge board that I've been dying to try out. Only an 8088 but I'd like to see what it can do, in particular in light of the new demos coming along for the old chip. A long time ago I had a lead on a 486 bridge board (386 with upgrade,) sent off my money and never got it. I believe I was one of several suckers on that deal.
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A-f'n-men. Why do we climb the mountain? Because it's there. If you don't get it then move on.
I have a bridge board that I've been dying to try out. Only an 8088 but I'd like to see what it can do, in particular in light of the new demos coming along for the old chip. A long time ago I had a lead on a 486 bridge board (386 with upgrade,) sent off my money and never got it. I believe I was one of several suckers on that deal.
Yeah, I don't get the mountaineering thing either...
"We risk our lives 'cause its f'ing there..."?
And NEVER send money directly to anyone dude, that's dumb.
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And NEVER send money directly to anyone dude, that's dumb.
I was young with more money than cynicism and caution. Experience is the best teacher, yeah?
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I was young with more money than cynicism and caution. Experience is the best teacher, yeah?
I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt. :lol:
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I don't know man, I don't know. Although I still kind of want one of those "PowerPC" boards for the A500 trap door. No use for it, and no time, really, but always thought they were pretty cool back in the day. Nostalgia, I guess? Or maybe file transfer with old PC's? People do have their reasons, just ask that guy who had the thread with like 500 comments on it about bridgeboards. ;)
Those have been coming up pretty frequently on AmiBay. Pretty much every month or so but of course not as often as more common stuff. Just a couple days ago two were listed but were snapped up pretty quickly. There's been some of the "plus" models as well. I keep wanting to get another of the little PC emulators that plugs into the external GVP box for the 500.
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I was young with more money than cynicism and caution. Experience is the best teacher, yeah?
Don't feel so bad, I learned the hard way myself.
And I still occasionally have direct transactions with some Amiga users.
The climbing mountains for fun thing?
That's still kinda stupid.
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I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt. :lol:
@Mike,
Can you believe that I finally got mine? To this day I have never worn that t-shirt lol :D
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Orangutans? No they abuse each other too.
Elephants, rhinos, hippos...all herbivores and all potentially quite dangerous, and not because you are in competition for potential mates.
And male rabbits kill baby rabbits in order to encourage the females to go back into heat.
Violence as a habit? Possibly violence as part of a bad decision chain, but habituation? I'm not letting violent people off by using that excuse (it was my upbringing, its society's fault, I have issues...etc).
And extinction? That is probably inevitable, we've been predicting our immanent demise for most of recorded history.
To answer those points, my original point was that removing the motive for violence would remove the trigger that produces it.
E=MC square. Matter is highly reasonating energy, and when it becomes possible to technologically able to turn waste material like your own poop directly into whatever you want, then the motive for violence disappears. Likewise, the motives for capitalism, banks, corporations and similar hierarchical oddities of the human race.
That involves manipulation of quantum material well below the atomic or molecular levels. Reproducing living organisms would also involve pre-loading their experience ("memories") into the organism, so it's even more technologically challenging.
What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
Because at that point in time Mike, people would actually be able to download the information copy in order to produce their own Bridgeboards, Amigas, etc etc etc.
Places like Amibay would become entirely pointless. The real currency would be the downloadable information to construct worthwhile items.
I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt. :lol:
What does that have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
See, you derail threads too. I could actually go through your entire online posting history and show copious examples of your behaviour, but I've actually got better things to do than patronize, belittle and bully you for no reason apart from jealousy.
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I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.
I take it the old school teacher who retired shafted you on the A2000? I did say, get the agreement in writing.
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What does that have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
See, you derail threads too. I could actually go through your entire online posting history and show copious examples of your behaviour, but I've actually got better things to do than patronize, belittle and bully you for no reason apart from jealousy.
Once again, a joke that's been part of the Amiga history for over a decade flew completely over your head. :lol:
But thanks for reminding me that there's jerks and know-it-alls in every forum! :roflmao:
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Once again, a joke that's been part of the Amiga history for over a decade flew completely over your head. :lol:
But thanks for reminding me that there's jerks and know-it-alls in every forum! :roflmao:
What does that have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
You seem a very odd character, so here's a ceasefire deal. Ignore me, I'll ignore you. Rom warning, you only get one.
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Rom warning, you only get one.
If my posts trigger you so much, there's always the block list.
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Ya'll have gone bat$h!t mad!!!! :roflmao:
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/wtf/tumblr_lp2epd7QrL1qbhtrto1_500.gif)
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Ya'll have gone bat$h!t mad!!!! :roflmao:
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/wtf/tumblr_lp2epd7QrL1qbhtrto1_500.gif)
Amigans don't 'go mad', they start there. :hammer:
And I don't mind the off topic stuff that Pat and I have included, I always find optimists refreshing.
But I do appologize for the distraction from the discussion of bridgeboards.
Its not that I just don't understand the attraction of bridgeboards, I'd go further to say I don't see the attraction in any older X86 hardware.
Its pretty dreadful stuff.
The only reason I currently use X64 hardware, is the steady improvement that has occurred over decades.
68k systems were cool introduced, PCs...far from it.
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Just FYI.... this looks like a dandy 386SX bridgeboard on eBay. The auction ends in less than 2 days. :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRIDGEBOARD-FOR-AMIGA-2000-OR-3000/202013540861?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRIDGEBOARD-FOR-AMIGA-2000-OR-3000/202013540861?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Nice board! Definitely an improvement over C='s older XT and 286 boards. FYI this model can be upgraded to use a 486 chip, more info in this thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62618
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Varta did it's job on that one already, look a little closer :(
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Varta did it's job on that one already, look a little closer :(
I see the original battery, but I don't notice any damage from it.
If it's there, could you point it out?
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U601 socket underneath the battery, I don't think green is the normal color of those contacts :) See some on a leg of the Western Digital chip .. I'm no expert but it looks pretty crappy to me.
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The US, India, South Africa, that British sense of superiority really did wonders for those nations.
At least the Brits gave us Saffas cricket, rugby and the correct way to spell words like "colour", not withstanding the hiding the Brits gave us in the recent cricket series, T20, ODI and Tests.. :(:(
What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"?
I mainly got my A2286 brideboard so that I could use one of the ISA network cards I had lying around in my A2000. Speed isn't great, around 50-60 Kbytes/sec using AmiTCP. It is still cool messing around with these cards, even though they're pretty pointless in the end now-a-days..
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Varta did it's job on that one already, look a little closer :(
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Ohh your right. This one is going to be hard to save IMO.
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Ohh your right. This one is going to be hard to save IMO.
I don't see the damage you two apparently perceive near the battery. Could you point it out?
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I don't see the damage you two apparently perceive near the battery. Could you point it out?
In the close-up of the battery, look at the bottom-left of the photo (zoom in) at the jumper. The top of the jumper has the tell-tale sign of battery corrosion. If the battery juice followed the traces to the top of that jumper then there's no telling what other damage has been done to the board.
Shame, really. It *might* be fixable by one of our resident Amiga-fixers, but I am sure for a handsome premium.
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Busted out my microscope to look at that pic close up. Oh YUP! Now I see it! Damn! A total loss!!!!! :eek:
(https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/images/appnotes/4491/4491Fig05.jpg)
(http://www.research.ibm.com/frontiers/images/overlay_quiet_room_6_900x600.jpg)
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Well, I wouldn't necessarily call it a total loss, but it's going to be a bit of a gamble considering it hasn't been tested but used to work some undetermined number of years ago in an Amiga 3000.
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Busted out my microscope to look at that pic close up. Oh YUP! Now I see it! Damn! A total loss!!!!! :eek:
Well played!
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Well played!
I feel a bit 'played', but you guys definitely made me reconsider that board.
Then again, it would have been yet another legacy purchase of marginal utility.
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Well, I wouldn't necessarily call it a total loss, but it's going to be a bit of a gamble considering it hasn't been tested but used to work some undetermined number of years ago in an Amiga 3000.
Also look at the backside of the board, there are some dark spots several places around the area of the battery. If this is a multilayer printboard and the battery fluid have penetrated through the board there are likely some damage in the middle layers as well.
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A little off the current thread, but has anyone ever gotten an IBM 486 SLC2 or 486 SLC3 upgrade board to work with an Amiga '286 bridgeboard?
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Also look at the backside of the board, there are some dark spots several places around the area of the battery. If this is a multilayer printboard and the battery fluid have penetrated through the board there are likely some damage in the middle layers as well.
Yeah, I'm really disappointed.
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Ya'll have gone bat$h!t mad!!!! :roflmao:
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/wtf/tumblr_lp2epd7QrL1qbhtrto1_500.gif)
Amazing. You spotted the paradigm and vision subconsciously - it IS the Star Trek vision of the future that I was talking about. And you posted a relevant meme, albeit one that was rather mocking.
I mean, who believed in pocket communicators, talking computers like the Amiga, quantum communicators, or handheld medical scanners back in the 1960s? They all exist now in some form or other, today.
What some perceive as "solid matter" really is just highly condensed, reasonating "energy". If you choose to study polydimensional mathematics, it gets even more complex, so I'll just leave it there.
Being able to go from one to the other... just with solid objects... hmmm... useful technology.
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I mean, who believed in pocket communicators, talking computers like the Amiga, quantum communicators, or handheld medical scanners back in the 1960s? They all exist now in some form or other, today.
Sci-fi enthusiasts?
What some perceive as "solid matter" really is just highly condensed, reasonating "energy". If you choose to study polydimensional mathematics, it gets even more complex, so I'll just leave it there.
Being able to go from one to the other... just with solid objects... hmmm... useful technology.
Whatever. Prove to me any of this is real and not just a figment of my imagination. For that matter, prove to me that we're not all just a perception of a holographic projection of the universe.
While you're at it, bring me no tea, please. :D
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While you're at it, bring me no tea, please. :D
To go along with the tea you have?
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While you're at it, bring me no tea, please. :D
Certainly. Would you prefer any of milk, sugar or a cup with your no tea order?
I suggest you check out the existential price list before you order in future, it's available on request, so I haven't sent you a copy to prevent any further confusion.