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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Nick_66 on July 24, 2017, 02:20:08 PM
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Hi all,
I have a copy of the programm Art Department Professional which I want to install on my A1200.
I would like to display images made with my modern digital Olympus camera on my A1200 in HAM modus.
Like the guys on this video: https://youtu.be/eQmkOhFzzak
When I want to install this programm I have a lot of options. I want a basic installation of this programm which allows me to display images in HAM mode on my Amiga. Any forum members here who have some experience with this?
Is this also possible on my A500+ ?
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If you just want to display images you might be better off with a picture viewer as opposed to a whole art package. Aminet is littered with 'em. ;)
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The video seems like a pretty comprehensive overview to me. Are you getting stuck with something in particular? As I recall, the ADPro 2.5 installer will walk you through everything for the installation. The default options should provide everything you need. If disk space is limited for some reason, you can skip the splitz/joinz and fractal components.
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Hi all,
I have a copy of the programm Art Department Professional which I want to install on my A1200.
I would like to display images made with my modern digital Olympus camera on my A1200 in HAM modus.
Like the guys on this video: https://youtu.be/eQmkOhFzzak
When I want to install this programm I have a lot of options. I want a basic installation of this programm which allows me to display images in HAM mode on my Amiga. Any forum members here who have some experience with this?
Is this also possible on my A500+ ?
Man did those guys go on a bit. I have Adpro with that thick binder plus all the update disks but never use it. Here is what I do. I do use Photoshop on the PC to create IFF files and I also use a neat bit of software called Thumbs to convert the files to the sizes I need for the Amiga. I like Thumbs cus its a file manager for the PC . You can also use an old bit of PC software that came free with loads of disks called PaintShopPro which also saved in IFF format. Thumbs by Cerious also saves and previews all the Amiga formats on the PC.
Next up simply save to disk DD if you don't have a HD drive on your Amiga. File size is going to be an issue because images can be very large. That is why I like Thumbs cus I can vary the JPEG or IFF file output to get a smaller file size.
On the Amiga I use DOpus as my file manager and a simple tool called FastView set up on the button to show the images. Fastview is so small and easy to use. Great tool. You can also launch FastView from its own icon if you don't know how to set up a DOpus button.
To convert JPEG, GIF and IFF etc to other Amiga formats I use PPaint. This came free with so many Amiga magazines of the day. Great tool. Once you have converted your images if you need to say ILBM etc you can view them using DOpus on the click or create slideshows using one of the many utilities on Aminet.
Image file transfer uses CrossDOS to see on the Amiga side from a PC disk. You will have to have a floppy on a PC and format to the lower density size for the Amiga unless you have a HD drive. There are obviously other ways to get files onto the Amiga but I'm assuming you know all this.
For Jpegs jpgs and Gifs you will need the datatypes on your machine plus strangely a monitor that will display them. Avoid Multiview by the way. Waste of time.
So in summary... Use Photoshop and or PaintshopPro and a thumbnail viewer. Save to 880 and use CrossDOS to get onto the Amiga. Review with DOPus and maybe view with FastView and use PPaint to edit and play with the files.
Never used AdPro cus I never needed to. As a final comment, there is also ImageFX which is quite good . And there is always the old favourite DPaintIV.
And yes most generally work on the A500Plus, but if you have a 1200 use that. Lets hope you have a hard drive by the way.
PS DPaint will not see JPGs or GIFS that's why I use PPaint. And you need to save in IFF or ILBM format from the PC side. And lastly pictures from a modern camera will be huge. Maybe one picture twice the size of an old Amiga hard drive. Seriously. That's why you need a thumbnail viewer to review file sizes and be able to convert.
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AdPro is best installed onto a hard drive rather than trying to run it from Floppies.
If you run "Expert Mode" on the installation, you get full control over where the different components are installed to.
You will not get much out of a 1MB Amiga, ie an unexpanded A500+. AdPro loads in one format, keeps that copy in memory, and lets you render (convert) the image data to other formats. Then you can save the new version. AdPro ALWAYS at 24 bit resolution internally, which is very memory intensive. But best fidelity when doing the maths.
I would recommend a minimum 2MB fast RAM / half MB chip RAM for AdPro. It only uses chip RAM to create Amiga friendly images, it loads different formats to fast RAM. Later versions will use chip RAM if that's all there is available.
Of course, you can have higher resolution Amiga images if you have more chip RAM, so A1200 or A500+ with extra fast RAM are generally better for using AdPro than A1000, A500, A2000 or A600. The A1200 will be able to display images in S-HAM8, unlike the A500+. But the A500+ and earlier machines can still render and save images in S-HAM8. They just can't display them. Interlaced S-HAM is the best they can show, unless you have a Newtek Dynamic HIRES renderer, which is unlikely. (Proprietary format). Or you have a real 24 bit card installed, which is a game changer.
Very simple point and click interface, can deal with batches of images, BEST image processor ever done on Amiga.
If you got a REALLY nice Miggy, you can even replicate the Bladerunner "let's zoom into a photograph" effect. Up to a point, anyway. IIRC there was a VMM option for AdPro, to allow for supersized images. Horribly slow but it did work (with a Memory Management Unit equipped Amiga).
AdPro changed it's name to MorphPlus when it got a Morphing function. The later the release, the more build in functions, loaders and savers it has. You can generally use later loader and saver plug ins with earlier versions.
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And lastly pictures from a modern camera will be huge. Maybe one picture twice the size of an old Amiga hard drive. Seriously. That's why you need a thumbnail viewer to review file sizes and be able to convert.
Or, if you're stubborn and insist on using your Amiga (as I used to), you'll need a lot of RAM and twice as much patience. I ended up throwing in the towel after a while and opted for Gimp on my Linux box.
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AdPro changed it's name to MorphPlus when it got a Morphing function. The later the release, the more build in functions, loaders and savers it has. You can generally use later loader and saver plug ins with earlier versions.
Not exactly. MorphPlus is a separate product with a high degree of interoperability (and shared modules) with ADPro. The ADPro 2.5 readme describes the order in which each program/upgrade should be installed in order for all the loaders/savers/operators to work correctly.
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Hi:
I use to have installed adpro in my (now dead) amiga 1200.
If you do the full install, you make sure to get the most out of it.
I suggest you do the full install, and then automatically you will
get the more choices for load/save different formats.
I still have the original disks in storage, waiting for when I upgrade
my amiga 2000 in the future. Adpro is really, a great program for
converting images from and to different formats.
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Not exactly. MorphPlus is a separate product with a high degree of interoperability (and shared modules) with ADPro. The ADPro 2.5 readme describes the order in which each program/upgrade should be installed in order for all the loaders/savers/operators to work correctly.
That isn't what the manual states... which could be wrong of course.
It says that Adpro 2.1b is the earliest version that will take the Morph operator. Which also means having a compatible version of FRED installed. You need the FRame EDitor to mark out areas for morphing, you don't need it just to load graphics files, render them and save them out in Amiga IFF style.
Barebones requirements - 1MB total memory (lot of operators unusable but should be able to load, render Amiga screens and save). You can install it to floppy, but you have to load Workbench from floppy and swap disks. Painfully slow.
Full capability - 4MB minimum (although may be limited in picture size).
The fact is, everybody still called it AdPro after ASDG changed the name. The brand was too strong to change.
I hope this is of use to the OP. It's true you don't need AdPro to convert screens to Amiga displayable, but quite frankly if you don't bother with it, you are missing out, in my opinion.
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That isn't what the manual states... which could be wrong of course.
It says that Adpro 2.1b is the earliest version that will take the Morph operator. Which also means having a compatible version of FRED installed. You need the FRame EDitor to mark out areas for morphing, you don't need it just to load graphics files, render them and save them out in Amiga IFF style.
Barebones requirements - 1MB total memory (lot of operators unusable but should be able to load, render Amiga screens and save). You can install it to floppy, but you have to load Workbench from floppy and swap disks. Painfully slow.
Full capability - 4MB minimum (although may be limited in picture size).
The fact is, everybody still called it AdPro after ASDG changed the name. The brand was too strong to change.
I hope this is of use to the OP. It's true you don't need AdPro to convert screens to Amiga displayable, but quite frankly if you don't bother with it, you are missing out, in my opinion.
In the context of this thread, this is really not important but...
Morph Plus from the makers of Art Department Professional.
Source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rq2dJ7dfM4)
I assure you that if the product (AdPro) had changed names at ASDG I would know.
But feel free to ask Perry of ASDG, who still drops in here occassionally.
One thread he participated in (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69952&page=2)
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In the context of this thread, this is really not important but...
Morph Plus from the makers of Art Department Professional.
Source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rq2dJ7dfM4)
I assure you that if the product (AdPro) had changed names at ASDG I would know.
But feel free to ask Perry of ASDG, who still drops in here occassionally.
One thread he participated in (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69952&page=2)
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None of that alters the fact that Morph+ was "just" Adpro with a Morph operator. Or how it was marketed here (ASDG had no UK presence) or what the importer told the market what ASDG had decreed was happening with their product.
I say "just" because even without a Morph operator, AdPro is still excellent. :)
OP should find some pointers on using it here, it's the magazine with the only official full release (CU Amiga 57, May 1993). Pages 14-16, I think.
http://amr.abime.net/issue_603_pages
But, you won't get a full set of operators, loaders or savers with it. You have to hunt around for them and pop them into the right drawer of the installation.
It's either that or post the full manual, which probably wouldn't go down very well.
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Or, if you're stubborn and insist on using your Amiga (as I used to), you'll need a lot of RAM and twice as much patience. I ended up throwing in the towel after a while and opted for Gimp on my Linux box.
Or edit on a PC/Mac first. Save in a reduced resolution and iff format (I use Photogenics for that bit) and use them in your DPaint projects.
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I don't want to get too far off topic here, but, Pat, I assure you that ADPro was not renamed MorphPlus. I have the disks for both, and the MorphPlus disks are older. MorphPlus uses almost the same interface as ADPro and includes some - but not all - of ADPro's modules. MorphPlus is not an evolution of ADPro - it is a sister product.
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Well Matt, MorphPlus manual states that;-
1) The Arexx Port name is "AdPro".
2) The Arexx port responds to all the same commands as AdPro, like "AdPro_to_Front", "AdPro_to_Back", etc.
3) The manual also states that AdPro and MorphPlus will not multitask with each other. You can install them yourself and try that.
If you run MorphPlus first, then Left-Amiga-N or M to get back to the Workbench, then try to run AdPro, you get the error message;-
"AdPro is already running".
So, even if MorphPlus isn't AdPro, it reports itself that way to the User, and to other programs, for instance Professional Page.
Go figure. And have a nice day. :laughing:
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Oh, they are definitely very closely related, absolutely. They share a lot of components, but not all. The "heart" of MorphPlus is the same as the "heart" of ADPro. All I am saying is that MorphPlus is not the "new name" for ADPro. They were sold as separate products.
Functionally, think of it this way:
ADPro = full image processing
MorphPlus = some image processing + morphing
or
MorphPlus = ADPro - some_modules + morphing
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Hi all!
Thanks for all the advice!
Just back from holiday and haven't got the time to read through all your answers.
I will install ADPro with the default options on my A1200 as adviced. I have a 4GB hd installed so diskspace wouldn't be an issue I think.
I also use Dopus as my main file manager. The way I would like to work with my images is putting them on a CF card on my PC and convert them later on my A1200 to be displayed in HAM modus.
I have a ACA1233 accelerator installed on my A1200 with a MC68030 40MHz CPU from Individual Computers.
On my A500plus I have the newest ACA500plus installed combined with the ACA1221 accelerator.
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I would like to display images made with my modern digital Olympus camera on my A1200 in HAM modus.
Like the guys on this video: https://youtu.be/eQmkOhFzzak
Hey cool Nick! Glad you got something out of our video. Yeah, like others have said, install ADPro on your awesome A1200. Do an expert install and just install everything. a 4GB hard drive is some crazy futuristic stuff man! Just pile it on that baby!
We also made a follow up to that video if you are interested. https://youtu.be/_dHV_Lcbxjo
There is lots of good discussion in the comments to both videos. I have been having a blast mixing modern gear with the Amiga. At Vintage Computer Festival East I was taking photos of people with my DSLR, grabbing the image with DCTV, converting to HAM with ADPro, then making a watermark with DPaint. You can see me doing it here https://youtu.be/HEIesAtmKfM?t=5m54s It was really funand everyone got a kick out of it.
I have a lot more crazy graphics and video projects planned mixing modern stuff with my Amiga so stay tuned!
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I hate to throw a curve into this thread, but, why not track down a copy of ImageFX and use that instead of AdPro.
Granted AdPro is a good program, that even in todays world can accomplish a lot.
ImageFX can do more however. I still use version 4 on my trusty old A2000.
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I hate to throw a curve into this thread, but, why not track down a copy of ImageFX and use that instead of AdPro.
Granted AdPro is a good program, that even in todays world can accomplish a lot.
ImageFX can do more however. I still use version 4 on my trusty old A2000.
I use ADPro because that is what I used back in the day, so it brings back lots of great memories and I know how to use it. But I know that ImageFX continued to be developed after ASDG no longer supported ADPro so it has more modern features. Believe it or not my friend just brought his original ImageFX manual to our last user group meeting so I will be learning it as well. I like learning from an actual manual - old school!
I actually have a project I want to do that requires batch processing so I have to see if ImageFX does it better. With ADPro you need to make an AREXX script. I forgot how to do that, but it will be fun to learn again!
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I use ADPro because that is what I used back in the day, so it brings back lots of great memories and I know how to use it. But I know that ImageFX continued to be developed after ASDG no longer supported ADPro so it has more modern features. Believe it or not my friend just brought his original ImageFX manual to our last user group meeting so I will be learning it as well. I like learning from an actual manual - old school!
I actually have a project I want to do that requires batch processing so I have to see if ImageFX does it better. With ADPro you need to make an AREXX script. I forgot how to do that, but it will be fun to learn again!
There was an ADPro batch processing add-on. I think it was called ProControl. I've been looking for a copy for ages and haven't been able to find it!
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Hey cool Nick! Glad you got something out of our video. Yeah, like others have said, install ADPro on your awesome A1200. Do an expert install and just install everything. a 4GB hard drive is some crazy futuristic stuff man! Just pile it on that baby!
We also made a follow up to that video if you are interested. https://youtu.be/_dHV_Lcbxjo
There is lots of good discussion in the comments to both videos. I have been having a blast mixing modern gear with the Amiga. At Vintage Computer Festival East I was taking photos of people with my DSLR, grabbing the image with DCTV, converting to HAM with ADPro, then making a watermark with DPaint. You can see me doing it here https://youtu.be/HEIesAtmKfM?t=5m54s It was really funand everyone got a kick out of it.
I have a lot more crazy graphics and video projects planned mixing modern stuff with my Amiga so stay tuned!
Hi!
I will do an expert install if this programm on my A1200. Your Youtube video helped me to get started with this transferring my pictures from my camera to my A1200 and displaying them in HAM modus on a CRT monitor. There is something really nostalgia about that! Really like the way pictures are displayed on my old CRT monitor.
I got these four ADF files from you, but is there a way to mount these ADF files as a virtual disk so I would have to use real 3.5" disks?
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I got these four ADF files from you, but is there a way to mount these ADF files as a virtual disk so I would have to use real 3.5" disks?
This (http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/diskimage) will do it.
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There was an ADPro batch processing add-on. I think it was called ProControl. I've been looking for a copy for ages and haven't been able to find it!
Here's an old discussion on that very subject.....;
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51673
I agree that using AdPro is overkill for viewing graphic files, but, it can easily lead to other endeavors once you get used to the program. I used to use it on an '030 fired A1200 with an old style hard drive.
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ADPro and ImageFX were both excellent in their day and usually both programs were in use. ImageFX however became better than ADPro at what it does over the years.
Could be. I never used ImageFX or Adpro, I use Morph+ with Adpro Operators, loaders, savers.
Worked for me, but these days it's a real problem trying to build up a software base to do that.
In the 90s it would have been by far the most expensive method, so not many tried that. Call it a perk of getting promotional software (which were all marked "Promotional Copy - Not for resale" so it's not like I made money from them).
On a price vs performance basis, it just wasn't a viable route. These days though...
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So, do you think AdPro/MorphPlus works well on Vampire?
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No idea Kolla. It should do, but I don't have a Vampire.
I don't even have any fast RAM in my classic Amigas.
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This (http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/diskimage) will do it.
Thanks! No sure how this tool works, but it seems a command based tool.
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Thanks! No sure how this tool works, but it seems a command based tool.
DiskImageCtrl can be run as a command-line tool or as a Workbench/GUI program. The readme generally assumes command-line usage and suggests copying it to C:. I put it in SYS:Utilities instead and run it from Workbench. GUI operation needs MUI installed if you don't have it already.
(Incidentally, SYS:Utilities is still in the default command-line path, so it can still easily be run via shell or scripts if necessary.)
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I was just checking my disks for Art Department Pro and this is what I have ...
0933: Converter ABEKAS Raw BMP [ copy ]
0934: Abekas Driver for Art Department Professional ASDG Inc
0935: Art Department Professional Version 2 Patch Disk
0936: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 1
0937: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 2
0938: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 3
0939: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk One
0940: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk Two
0941: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk Three
0940: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 D03 [ copy ]
1556: AdPro-Macros Spare ADF.Rexx [ copy ]
4334: Macro System VLab Software v4.0 includes AdPro2 Loader
12191: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 1 [ boxed ]
12192: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 2 [ boxed ]
12193: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 3 [ boxed ]
12194: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Patch Disk 1 [ boxed ]
12195: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Patch Disk 2 [ boxed ]
12196: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Tutorial Disk [ boxed ]
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I was just checking my disks for Art Department Pro and this is what I have ...
0933: Converter ABEKAS Raw BMP [ copy ]
0934: Abekas Driver for Art Department Professional ASDG Inc
0935: Art Department Professional Version 2 Patch Disk
0936: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 1
0937: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 2
0938: Art Department Professional Version 2 Disk 3
0939: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk One
0940: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk Two
0941: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 Program Disk Three
0940: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 D03 [ copy ]
1556: AdPro-Macros Spare ADF.Rexx [ copy ]
4334: Macro System VLab Software v4.0 includes AdPro2 Loader
12191: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 1 [ boxed ]
12192: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 2 [ boxed ]
12193: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Program Disk 3 [ boxed ]
12194: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Patch Disk 1 [ boxed ]
12195: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Patch Disk 2 [ boxed ]
12196: Art Department Professional Version 2.5 ASDG Tutorial Disk [ boxed ]
No Morph operator or FRED then. Easy enough to slot into the correct drawer.
Oh, yeah, I checked, apparently I DID do a load of laundry for you and a bunch of other people... still dealing with the aftereffects. In between my unusual lifestyle choices. That odd blend of tonnes of dirty clothing turned clean certainly affected me.
Scuzz even has a Wiki entry...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuzz
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No Morph operator or FRED then. Easy enough to slot into the correct drawer.
Oh, yeah, I checked, apparently I DID do a load of laundry for you and a bunch of other people... still dealing with the aftereffects. In between my unusual lifestyle choices. That odd blend of tonnes of dirty clothing turned clean certainly affected me.
Scuzz even has a Wiki entry...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuzz
They may be lurking on other disks. I have only listed the headline disk names from the collection. I tend not to keep things in folders as I find it quicker to simply grab a disk. Most stuff is backed up. I have hundreds of CDs also and obviously machines with software on so there probably are copies of the items you mentioned somewhere. Don't use AdPro or ImageFX as I tend to use Photoshop on the PC and PPaint on the Amiga simply to convert for use with say Dpaint and Main Actor for animation work.
I actually didn't understand most of what you wrote, sorry, so can't comment further.
Just as an aside the name scuzz was created when I joined an Amiga Group a long time ago. I generally created a new name each time I joined a group and then dumped it when I left. Same with email accounts and logins etc. That night I had been watching Southpark where Cartmann had been telling his story about Scuzzlebutt and that was the first thing that sprang to mind. I had never intended keeping the tag but it just hung around. Some folk thought it was to do with SCSI. I was aware of the TV rock channel and watched it pretty frequently, though not for some time now. Throws up some odd search results... not for me , but for scuzz followers that find Amigas in with their heavy mekal bangin sturff.
Gotta go. Got a date with a ghost.