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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: mechy on July 03, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
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BEWARE AMIGANs,
Some of you might of seen this Amiga 4000t on US ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultimate-Amiga-4000T-Loaded-/352104304575?hash=item51fb0d4fbf:g:mJkAAOSwN2VZWgrZ
Beware, this is a scam i think. I was the Buy It NOW winner and the guy sent me this official looking invoice that claims to be from ebay@Ebay.com:
Something smells dirty here. First the odd stuff:
His paypal button is his own, not a official BIN.
the transaction doesnt show up in ebay purchases.
this odd invoice was sent that ebay cant verify.
he insists on Moneygram payment only which ebay doesn't allow.
the payment wants to go to the UK,but he is from Georgia.
he wouldn't take a certified bank check from me instead.
Moneygram doesn't allow credit card payment to go thru,so no recourse if you are cheated.
Too many red flags here!
He is either a smart crook or is trying to thwart all ebay fees, not sure which.
I called ebay and they say this does not look right and voilates their terms.
I urge everyone to avoid this. I sent him a email about this and he has quit replying to me now.
All the choices he specifies are to make the transaction untrackable.
Here is part of the invoice #(ebay cant verify this # and says its not theirs):
Good news! eBay transaction is approved, buyer and seller are insured! At seller request, we have verified all the details of this transaction. We concluded that they are accurate and item actually exists, and both parties are insured. Please follow our instructions to complete the transaction safely.
eBay Transaction #KLWQ82884603484 approved! (http://p.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/icon/iconSuccess_16x16.gif)
Thank you for shopping on eBay. ()
Bellow you have the Payment Instructions Item Name:
Seller:
Item Price:
Payment Method:
Shipping Method:
Current Status:
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Poor spelling and bad grammar are dead giveaways of a scam to me. Glad you didn't send him any money! :madashell::madashell::madashell::madashell:
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Poor spelling and bad grammar are dead giveaways of a scam to me. Glad you didn't send him any money! :madashell::madashell::madashell::madashell:
he had excuses for every payment method. couldnt take paypal because he used his limit etc. more and more things added up to fake as it went on.
I wasnt about to send money via moneygram to a UK address lol
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I quite enjoyed the "and item actually exists" assurance. LMAO!
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Good on you for posting here. I saw this earlier today and thought it was a scam as well. I wasn't sharp enough to think of warning people here. Definitely not a safe auction.
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Yes, to be avoided, payment outside of Paypal will not afford you the buyer protection you might need in order to get a refund.
And the lack of a proper eBay invoice is highly suspicious.
I've run into similar scams via eBay Motors.
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Lol I just sent the guy a question about the machine..I will post his response.. :).
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That same Ultimate Amiga 4000T Loaded with same picture has been listed several times on eBay over the years using different accounts. Yes, it's a scam. The original real item was sold a long time ago.
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Poor spelling and bad grammar are dead giveaways of a scam to me. Glad you didn't send him any money! :madashell::madashell::madashell::madashell:
All my listings have poor spelling and bad grammar, so what are you saying? :-).
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He should have added , I am not a crook to assure buyers.
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@spaceman88
All my listings have poor spelling and bad grammar, so what are you saying? :-).
It's par for the course for Canadians I guess? You can't even grasp simple concepts like gender and how it's the SAME as biological sex i.e. whether you've got XX (female) or XY (male) chromosomes is a given! Anyone would think that non-polar sexual identity scales are a hard fact based science rather than a way of trying to justify 'swinging' both ways or refusing to treat children with some sort of identity trauma! In the sad case below it's simply to confuse their child even further in an confusing world. Chromosomes are an absolute in regards to gender! The same sort of absolutes occur on eBay; never to trust an ebayer that can't be bothered to spell check us use proper grammar! ;-)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386
I guess it all started with this :-);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
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@spaceman88
It's par for the course for Canadians I guess? You can't even grasp simple concepts like gender and how it's the SAME as biological sex i.e. whether you've got XX (female) or XY (male) chromosomes is a given! Anyone would think that non-polar sexual identity scales are a hard fact based science rather than a way of trying to justify 'swinging' both ways or refusing to treat children with some sort of identity trauma! In the sad case below it's simply to confuse their child even further in an confusing world. Chromosomes are an absolute in regards to gender! The same sort of absolutes occur on eBay; never to trust an ebayer that can't be bothered to spell check us use proper grammar! ;-)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386
I guess it all started with this :-);
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
Dude seriously with your %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing last century views on everything. It's %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing tiring.
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@JJ
It's called stopping the rot and holding on to common sense (and having a bit of a laugh at the expense of non-polar pushing deluded hippy parents to be honest)! If no one gets a handle on this political correct nonsense next thing we know the Welsh Assembly will get crazy outlandish ideas too and will start prosecuting parents for lovingly disciplining their OWN children. Heaven forbid we try bringing up well behaved well adjusted children rather than mollycoddled and overly sensitive safe space loving little Buddhas! If you're going to define this century by ridiculous liberal agenda ideas then you need a few jibes directed your way too. Next you'll be campaigning for the right to marry animals! :-)
Oh yeah and enough with the cussing! I guess a lapse into potty mouth is directly related to a lack of discipline whilst growing up too? That or too much Eastenders?
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Dude seriously with your %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing last century views on everything. It's %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing tiring.
All this, and "loving" Welsh discipline.
I don't even hit my dogs (as that form of negative reinforcement doesn't work with some breeds).
Maybe BigD has had this crap beat into him, eh?
And we're off diverting another thread, must be God's will (or serve his purpose).
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Holy cow, people! Settle down! We all know that the extremists on both sides are bad. We shouldn't be too PC, but we also shouldn't disparage people who are different.
On the other hand, we SHOULD disparage those who wish to force their desire to be PC on everyone else, and we SHOULD disparage those who wish to force their views about marriage, gender, religion and other things on everyone else.
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@johnklos (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7342)
Be careful if you choose to locate your 'safe space' in a position whilst sitting on the fence you may still get splinters up your bottom!
Again the only people in this non-polar debate that actually feel the effect of anyone 'forcing' ideas upon them are the children of the liberal parents who 'decide' that they should have their biological sex 'hidden' from them so that the 'deviants' can better suggest alternative 'lifestyles' they might prefer to 'choose'!
Next we'll be saying it's ok for eBay scammers to try and sell their imaginery wares because it's their economic misfortune that is resposible for their 'need' to try and deceive the rest of us!
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@johnklos (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7342)
Be careful if you choose to locate your 'safe space' in a position whilst sitting on the fence you may still get splinters up your bottom!
Again the only people in this non-polar debate that actually feel the effect of anyone 'forcing' ideas upon them are the children of the liberal parents who 'decide' that they should have their biological sex 'hidden' from them so that the 'deviants' can better suggest alternative 'lifestyles' they might prefer to 'choose'!
Next we'll be saying it's ok for eBay scammers to try and sell their imaginery wares because it's their economic misfortune that is resposible for their 'need' to try and deceive the rest of us!
Lol..where is that "Like" button...
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Well, if you get scammed on eBay, it is your own fault if you're dumb enough to pay via an unapproved method.
I don't get ripped off in any of my eBay transactions, because I read the listing carefully, and always pay via Paypal.
As to the outside issue that was brought in, I don't feel entitled to an opinion as I'm not involved.
BUT, if we do want to get back to corporal punishment, I'm not in favor of beating sensibilities into 'deviant' children either.
Can't say that I can really see any connection between these two topics.
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@Iggy
The link between the two subjects is common sense. The fact I brought up smacking was because I was talking to JJ the Welshman and the Welsh Assembly is attempting to change the law to prosecute well meaning and loving parents. It is common sense to discipline your children and that sometimes includes smacking as a last resort and deterrent against repeatedly unacceptable or dangerous behaviour. That liberals can't compute such an argument isn't really the point as it's up to the individual parents as to how they raise their own kids! As stated already, denying a child understanding of their biological sex / gender is far more akin to child abuse than reasonable discipline IMHO!
spaceman88 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=3809) was trying to argue that bad grammar and spelling should be excused on eBay and my tongue in cheek point was that standards have dropped and that Canadians no longer understand what gender is never mind the rules of spelling and grammar ;-)
Perfectly sensible points were we living in a sane culture that isn't trying to eat itself!
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...Perfectly sensible points were we living in a sane culture that isn't trying to eat itself!
Odd that we agree that there is a form of cultural cannibalism going on right now.
But to me, it seems to be coming from all sides, right, left, conservative, liberal, wealthy, poor, etc.
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Just got an email...from Ebay.. item no longer available auction has been removed..
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Just got an email...from Ebay.. item no longer available auction has been removed..
I reported it to ebay and sent him a email saying i believed it was a scam.
He sent me a email today saying "so you aren't going to pay?" lol
He claims to have other suckers lined up for it.
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@johnklos (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=7342)
Be careful if you choose to locate your 'safe space' in a position whilst sitting on the fence you may still get splinters up your bottom!
Again the only people in this non-polar debate that actually feel the effect of anyone 'forcing' ideas upon them are the children of the liberal parents who 'decide' that they should have their biological sex 'hidden' from them so that the 'deviants' can better suggest alternative 'lifestyles' they might prefer to 'choose'!
Next we'll be saying it's ok for eBay scammers to try and sell their imaginery wares because it's their economic misfortune that is resposible for their 'need' to try and deceive the rest of us!
You use the phrase "non-polar" too much; Non-polar is nonsense, as is the rest of this off-topic, psycho-babble screed.
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I reported it to ebay and sent him a email saying i believed it was a scam.
He sent me a email today saying "so you aren't going to pay?" lol
He claims to have other suckers lined up for it.
No doubt.
There is this recurring scam on eBay motors where people list cars (that they probably don't even have) claiming to be in the military.
Then they claim they can have the car shipped to you as part of a benefit from the Armed Forces.
Just pay for it directly...and...
No, you just have to be stupid to wire people money or pay by buying them a transferable debit card.
Without a way to seek reimbursement you are asking to be scammed.
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You should tell him that you're going to pay, but first you need him to front you $1000 so you can free up the funds from your Nigerian uncle. Oh, did I mention that he is also a prince?
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Lol, I like it. roftl
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I reported it to ebay and sent him a email saying i believed it was a scam.
He sent me a email today saying "so you aren't going to pay?" lol
He claims to have other suckers lined up for it.
If you have his email address you should post it on 419 Eater or one of the other scam baiting sites. They'll probably keep him bust for a while, all time he can't use to scam someone else.
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@JJ
It's called stopping the rot and holding on to common sense (and having a bit of a laugh at the expense of non-polar pushing deluded hippy parents to be honest)! If no one gets a handle on this political correct nonsense next thing we know the Welsh Assembly will get crazy outlandish ideas too and will start prosecuting parents for lovingly disciplining their OWN children. Heaven forbid we try bringing up well behaved well adjusted children rather than mollycoddled and overly sensitive safe space loving little Buddhas! If you're going to define this century by ridiculous liberal agenda ideas then you need a few jibes directed your way too. Next you'll be campaigning for the right to marry animals! :-)
Oh yeah and enough with the cussing! I guess a lapse into potty mouth is directly related to a lack of discipline whilst growing up too? That or too much Eastenders?
Triggered.
Potty Mouth lol. Now I understand. You are old, and scared of the modern world and just lash out of everything. You don't like change. Call for the nurse to bring your hot drink and bring your blanket
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Banning smacking isn't 'modern' and since no country in Europe has banned it apart from Sweden and France you're with the minority view point not me. Why should we follow the will of the Council of Europe and take their foolish recommendations on board? Parents are 99% of the time able to decide what's right in regards to their own children and that includeds smacking as a reasoned and measured last resort for repeated unacceptable or dangerous behaviour. And how is using a load of %&?! marks more 'hipster' than using the phrase 'potty mouth' or the word 'cussing'. I am not 'old' although admittedly I am a dad and don't appreciate casual swearing just to get a reaction or to try and limit free speech (are millenials aware of that concept I wonder).
You're neither as 'representative' of current majority views as you make out nor are you as 'progressive' as you consider yourself. Your concern should be for the proper discipline of unruly children to avoid an unruly and unproductive adult population that thinks the whole world owes them a living because they got away with being a little Buddha when they were growing up! I don't dislike change only regressive change as is happening in the UK and especially in socialist strongholds where the NHS is crumbling despite investment. It's the leadership in these councils that is the issue not the money available! The Labour councils of South Wales are not fit for purpose and the Welsh voters (especially in the valleys) won't attempt to stop them because they'd vote for a red rosette on a donkey.
You think abortion and infanticide is 'progressive' read your history and see that the Romans were way ahead of you. You want to leave aside the disciplining of the next generation? Bear in mind that it's something that was discussed in the Bible hence this foolish view needed correction even back then and the outcomes are not helping 'modern' day classrooms;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106948/The-angry-generation-Lack-parental-discipline-blamed-aggressive-anti-social-children.html
Being young doesn't automatically mean being pro-Corbyn, anti-America, pro-social media and liberal and deluded but keep kidding youreslf we're all living in Greater London with lefty liberal ideals if you want but you'd be wrong.
I'll repeat the acusation that you probably think eBay scammers aren't to blame for their own con-artist actions because they were most probably 'victims' of the economic situation they find themselves in and are "just trying to provide for their familes"!
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Going to stop interacting with you now. You have mentioned the bible and abortion so I am going to assume you are religious, which means you are probably mentally sub-normal
Plus you quoted a Daily mail article.
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We still talking about that 4000t scam that keeps popping up?
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We still talking about that 4000t scam that keeps popping up?
No, we appear to be talking about laws protecting children from abusive parents and their connection to bestiality.
But apparently that is somehow related to eBay scams (who knew?). :hammer:
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no, we appear to be talking about laws protecting children from abusive parents and their connection to bestiality.
lol wot
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lol wot
Basically some SJW type in Canada got court ruling to have her (or should that be they, apparently she identifies as non-binary) newborn's gender listed as unknown/unidentified on the birth certificate. Her argument was that the child could choose their gender identity when they were able to speak.
BigD read about it in the Daily Mail and got triggered. Somebody mentioned that spelling mistakes in the listing should have given it away as scam, a Canadian user chimed saying that he often made spelling mistakes. BigD got triggered again and decided to vent.
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I gotta admit, I don't get the non-binary thing, and I'd even go as far as admitting that BigD may have a point about genetic identity.
But I don't involve myself in issues related to other's sexuality.
The idea of not identifying the gender of children at birth seems a bit off, but what are you going to do?
It could make the child's life even more confusing, not having a default to fall back on.
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What has this got to do with a scam ebay auction ?
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What has this got to do with a scam ebay auction ?
Nothing what so ever, except in BigD's mind.
But its an interesting diversion.
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Basically some SJW type in Canada got court ruling to have her (or should that be they, apparently she identifies as non-binary) newborn's gender listed as unknown/unidentified on the birth certificate. Her argument was that the child could choose their gender identity when they were able to speak.
BigD read about it in the Daily Mail and got triggered. Somebody mentioned that spelling mistakes in the listing should have given it away as scam, a Canadian user chimed saying that he often made spelling mistakes. BigD got triggered again and decided to vent.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: daily mail for sure, and triggered all the time
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@JJ
I wish we could all be a woolly Pro-Corbyn lefty weirdo but some of us actually have standards and actually think that gender confusion is a possible sign of abuse which should be flagged up by teachers. People like you but pressure on teachers to be all PC and the vulnerable kids are actually encouraged to have their genitals mutilated rather than have the counselling they need. Laugh it up, but your moronic beliefs lead to this suffering.
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@JJ
I wish we could all be a woolly Pro-Corbyn lefty weirdo but some of us actually have standards and actually think that gender confusion is a possible sign of abuse which should be flagged up by teachers. People like you but pressure on teachers to be all PC and the vulnerable kids are actually encouraged to have their genitals mutilated rather than have the counselling they need. Laugh it up, but your moronic beliefs lead to this suffering.
I'm quite to the left of BigD, and a (just say it) liberal. I have close friends and relatives that are gay (and no, this isn't the moral equivalent of saying 'some of my best friends are black').
But...I think I'm on the cusp of agreeing with BigD on this matter, at least in part because you can't 'reassign' someone's sex via surgery.
That IS determined by genetics.
I don't care who you love, but self mutilation driven by a personal fixation does seem to qualify as a mental disorder.
I know this view isn't PC, but it is in line with the stated policies of the World Health Organization (of the United Nations)
Are we so obsessed with appearance that we now not only sanction this behavior for adults, but we encourage it in children?
And is a man that has had surgery to alter his physical appearance actually a woman (or vice versa)?
Frankly, it borders on ludicrous to insist that this is the case, and liberal or not, I'm not comfortable with being forced to have to address the matter in the politically correct manner.
SO, again, we are WAY off topic, but even if I can't agree with BigD on a matter of personal belief like religion, on basic biology I think he has a point.
Gays I can accept, cross dressing? ...well, I like Eddie Izzard , so...its a little out there, but no one's hurt.
Self mutilation because of something you can't control...nah.
Can't buy into it.
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In biology there's this thing - genotype vs phenotype.
Easily adapted here:
Sex (genotype): this (medically certified)
Sex (phenotype): this (or that or that other one or undetermined or whatever - to each his own)
In this brave new world I'm sure someone will soon come up stating "I'm a 73%-27%" or "64%-36%" or "x% - (100-x)%" now that simply stating "non-binary" is already passé.
It's time for exact science.
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Gah.
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It's back again under different seller, people need to protect their accounts.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultimate-Amiga-4000T-Loaded-/263080219855?hash=item3d40cd94cf:g:T4kAAOSwi1tZYplL
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In biology there's this thing - genotype vs phenotype.
Easily adapted here:
Sex (genotype): this (medically certified)
Sex (phenotype): this (or that or that other one or undetermined or whatever - to each his own)
In this brave new world I'm sure someone will soon come up stating "I'm a 73%-27%" or "64%-36%" or "x% - (100-x)%" now that simply stating "non-binary" is already passé.
It's time for exact science.
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Gah.
Phenotype def. posted on the web - the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.
NOT - the best description, basically, variations possible within a genetic constraint.
So, exact science?
Pretty much.
Sex is completely controlled genetically.
One chromosome is contributed by your mother and is always X, the other is from your father and can be X or Y.
Got a Y chromosome, you are a male.
Males are not males because they look like males (nor are females women purely because they appear to be).
Phenotypes? Well, they don't actually play a role in this.
There are some 'mistakes' that occur occasionally (hermaphrodites, men born that physically appear to be women but have blind vaginas, etc), but the basic template is uniform for all mammals.
Now the psychological aspects of our sexual identity? That's far more complicated.
But to make an old observation, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear".
To clarify this, cosmetic alterations do not change an organism's nature.
And an inverted penis is not a vagina, its just a mutilated sex organ.
I'm OK if you want to make body alterations, just don't try to force me to join you in your belief that you've altered yourself into something you can't be.
After two semesters of biology and one each of anatomy, physiology, genetics, and psychology (all of which are subjects that affect this discussion), I'm pretty comfortable with taking this non-PC stance.
Because it IS based on science, not someone's personal 'feelings' or belief.
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@JJ
I wish we could all be a woolly Pro-Corbyn lefty weirdo but some of us actually have standards .
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: It's like reading the comments section of the sun. Have you thought about writing for the Daily mash or NewsThump ?
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@JJ
Have you ever thought about obtaining an informed opinion of your own? How about reading a RANGE of different newspapers to get a balanced view and actually thinking about the implication of your wacko ideas when they are used as policy in the REAL world?
I think it would do you good and you'd be far less likely to lash out with all your Tourettes nonsense!
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Yes because newspapers really are the place to get an informed view.
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Sorry my mistake, keep following 'ya boyz' on social media to get you the down low on how things are! Other than that you could try the British Biased Corporation :-)
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Sorry my mistake, keep following 'ya boyz' on social media to get you the down low on how things are! Other than that you could try the British Biased Corporation :-)
Really, come on guys.
Enough threads get trashed. Can we just step back and chill.
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Really, come on guys.
Enough threads get trashed. Can we just step back and chill.
Ah well, it went off topic quite early, but now its just gotten personal without anyone making any real points.
You could lock it, as the eBay post in question has been pulled.
And I still don't quite get the connection between 'gender recognition surgery' and eBay scammers.
Seems pretty threadbare.
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Ah well, it went off topic quite early, but now its just gotten personal without anyone making any real points.
You could lock it, as the eBay post in question has been pulled.
And I still don't quite get the connection between 'gender recognition surgery' and eBay scammers.
Seems pretty threadbare.
"By Your Command".