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Title: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 08, 2017, 09:59:58 PM
Copy pasting Olafs post on Apollo Forum, since it deserves its own thread;

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=1¬e=6366

Unfortunately one of the most active Aros developer has to quit because of financial problems.
more details here:
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10523&forum=4&post_id=104849#forumpost104849

there is a link to become donor to him, perhaps some want to support him.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on June 08, 2017, 11:03:56 PM
Last comment on that thread ftw:  "It baffles me how Anyone with computer skills especially coding, could not be in demand and prosperous.
Of course personal problems and health would negate that I suppose."
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 08, 2017, 11:43:02 PM
@Oldsmobile_Mike

At the end of the day, we have to decide if the activity level of Kala is enough to warrant people supporting him.
Ive not really paid attention to AROS until Apollo Team started pushing for it, but based on what ive read from the AROS community, Kala seems to be a very active developer.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 09, 2017, 04:52:39 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;826814
Last comment on that thread ftw:  "It baffles me how Anyone with computer skills especially coding, could not be in demand and prosperous.
Of course personal problems and health would negate that I suppose."


yes. and?
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;826814
Last comment on that thread ftw:  "It baffles me how Anyone with computer skills especially coding, could not be in demand and prosperous.
Of course personal problems and health would negate that I suppose."

It's simple the market is flooded.

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/computer-programmers.htm


However personally I wouldn't consider any money given to kalamatee a handout.    If you put a $ amount on the amount of work he's put into AROS he's literally given the community $100,000's worth of his time.

On a final note if people want to get something in return for donating to him.  I will consider it a paid subscription for future updates of FinalWriter  to anyone who donates $5 a month to him.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 09, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41927&forum=47

[/quote]
Nick is one of the most important coders in the Aros community, he is working on SMP, 3D system and a lot more. If we lose Nick then all Amiga flavours suffer because Aros is a great source of code and inspiration for all platforms including the fact that the Vampire is making Aros 68k very relevant with Aros x86 the next step up to next generation with mad performance levels due to SMP and Nouveau 3d support for Kepler and Maxwell cards coming.

Please consider contributing to his Patreon page what you can afford, I have just increased mine as I believe passionately in the work he is doing. He has been working hard for a long time on Aros and doing this will return the favour by helping him now.

https://www.patreon.com/Kalamatee/posts

If we can get him up to $600 per month it will help him though this initial problems, if 50 people do $10 per month, this will go to helping when he needs it most and enable him to continue the great work he is doing.

We are all a community please pull together and help one of the best of us. Please do this as soon as possible if you are able.

Many thanks

Steve Jones
iMica ltd[/quote]
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 09, 2017, 12:18:49 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826827
I will consider it a paid subscription for future updates of FinalWriter  to anyone who donates $5 a month to him.


you simply should gather what has been done so far, specify the features honestly, set up an appropriate price and release it as is. otherwise it may never get done. you can still charge for future essential updates.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Gulliver on June 09, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;826829
you simply should gather what has been done so far, specify the features honestly, set up an appropriate price and release it as is. otherwise it may never get done. you can still charge for future essential updates.


+1
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: OlafS3 on June 09, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: Gulliver;826830
+1

++1
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 03:37:20 PM
I guess I just dont get it.   I have bills to pay.  With that in mind, I wouldnt touch/depend on an obscure/relatively unused operating system to pay my bills.   One would think that he would have a real job and work on AROS on the side.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: OlafS3 on June 09, 2017, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826839
I guess I just dont get it.   I have bills to pay.  With that in mind, I wouldnt touch/depend on an obscure/relatively unused operating system to pay my bills.   One would think that he would have a real job and work on AROS on the side.

He is obviously unemployed for some time and struggles to pay the bills. I think too that priority should be to become employed again, if not where he lives then somewhere else. There were even offers from amiga users that they might employ him. If that means less time for Amiga then certainly everyone would accept it. The only real solution to the problem in my view. But except one post we have not heard from him again. I donated 50 USD yesterday but that is only a option to solve problems on the short run, the only real solution is him working on a paid job again.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 04:16:58 PM
@OlafS3

I agree.  He's obviously very talented.   I'm sure someone would hire him as a programmer.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 09, 2017, 04:34:16 PM
i dont want to speak for anybody, especially as im not really informed. but think of what might happen if the community so to say "hired" someone like that for their benefit, a work he obviously enjoys. this obviously addresses aros community in first place, but who knows. wile i doubt it a little, but what if enough funds might be gathered this way to guarantee stable income and steady development, rather than looking for some dumb job?
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on June 09, 2017, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826827
It's simple the market is flooded.

Competing articles to the contrary, there is no shortage of work out there.  I can't even walk down the street around my office and not trip over help wanted signs.

Quote
3.5 million cyber security positions expected to be open by 2021

"A new report out from Cybersecurity Ventures estimates there will be 3.5 million unfilled cybersecurity jobs by 2021, up from 1 million openings last year," CSO reports. "In 2017, the U.S. employs nearly 780,000 people in cybersecurity positions, with approximately 350,000 current cybersecurity openings." That number of jobs contrasts with the 209,000 positions available in 2015, which in turn were up 74 percent from the number of positions available in 2010.

The explosion in security positions is leading many to predict that there will be at least a half million unfilled security positions open by 2021. But it goes further than security-focused positions. "Every IT position is also a cybersecurity position now," the authors of the Cybersecurity Jobs Report for 2017 say. "Every IT worker, every technology worker, needs to be involved with protecting and defending apps, data, devices, infrastructure, and people."

The huge increase in positions is, in part, due to the steady drum beat of reported cyber attacks that are costing businesses trillions each year. As of 2015, businesses lost a reported $3 trillion in downtime and damages to cyber attacks. That amount is expected to increase by an additional $3 trillion by 2021.

- https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2003374-snap-wannacry-exploit-ported-to-windows-10-security-jobs-grow-exponentially
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;826843
Competing articles to the contrary, there is no shortage of work out there.  I can't even walk down the street around my office and not trip over help wanted signs.



- https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2003374-snap-wannacry-exploit-ported-to-windows-10-security-jobs-grow-exponentially


Must be nice in my area you can't walk down the street and see a single one.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;826842
i dont want to speak for anybody, especially as im not really informed. but think of what might happen if the community so to say "hired" someone like that for their benefit, a work he obviously enjoys. this obviously addresses aros community in first place, but who knows. wile i doubt it a little, but what if enough funds might be gathered this way to guarantee stable income and steady development, rather than looking for some dumb job?


+1

I know more about his situation than most but it's not my place to say.   All I can say is some things are hard to move away from.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on June 09, 2017, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826844
Must be nice in my area you can't walk down the street and see a single one.

Not trying to be flip, but maybe time to move?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2017/03/16/technology-jobs-2017-san-francisco-charlotte-detroit/#b9203c638f6b

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/02/02/washington-d-c-has-become-one-of-the-nation-s-top.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulles_Technology_Corridor

Etc., etc.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 04:52:47 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;826846
Not trying to be flip, but maybe time to move?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2017/03/16/technology-jobs-2017-san-francisco-charlotte-detroit/#b9203c638f6b

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/02/02/washington-d-c-has-become-one-of-the-nation-s-top.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulles_Technology_Corridor

Etc., etc.


Well since I personally don't need one I have no reason to move.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;826842
i dont want to speak for anybody, especially as im not really informed. but think of what might happen if the community so to say "hired" someone like that for their benefit, a work he obviously enjoys. this obviously addresses aros community in first place, but who knows. wile i doubt it a little, but what if enough funds might be gathered this way to guarantee stable income and steady development, rather than looking for some dumb job?



I that was the case Hyperion, MorphOS devs etc all would be working full time on their respective OS with all of our support.  It's time for a real j.o.b.  We'd all love to work on what we love, at home, our own boss etc.  Sometimes that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826848
I that was the case Hyperion, MorphOS devs etc all would be working full time on their respective OS with all of our support.  It's time for a real j.o.b.  We'd all love to work on what we love, at home, our own boss etc.  Sometimes that doesn't happen.


I see we view this differently... you view it as a handout I view it as payment for services rendered.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826849
I see we view this differently... you view it as a handout I view it as payment for services rendered.


But he wasn't charging for the services,  so essentially you'd be bailing him out.  Either way, I don't care.  I'd just go look for a job.  If there isn't one in my city,  then it's time to move.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Terminills on June 09, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826851
But he wasn't charging for the services,  so essentially you'd be bailing him out.  Either way, I don't care.  I'd just go look for a job.  If there isn't one in my city,  then it's time to move.


Ahh gotcha so if someone doesn't put an actual price tag on their time it holds no value?   You are free to consider it whatever you want.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 09, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826849
I see we view this differently... you view it as a handout I view it as payment for services rendered.

I wholly agree.
I'm about to head out in an hour for a job interview (an upgrade, I'm already employed, just not earning as much as I want).
If only a few hundred of us only gave this guy $5 a month, he would be at least able to make ends meet.

So, I'm in.
It isn't "get a job, mofo", its "thanks for the work, hope you can continue".

Besides, I WANT better AMD gpu support.
Its my preference over Nvidia.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: Terminills;826852
Ahh gotcha so if someone doesn't put an actual price tag on their time it holds no value?   You are free to consider it whatever you want.



If you expect money for work,  ask in the beginning.   Don't expect money if you've been working all this time for free.  An individual's lack of finances isn't the problem of the community.  AROS doesn't pay the bills.  A real job does.  I dunno,  I guess I'm more of a guy that is in line with reality and knows what will pay the bills and doesnt.

If that community pays him enough,  good for him,  but if I was him I'd be lookin for a real job.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 09, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826856
If you expect money for work,  ask in the beginning.   Don't expect money if you've been working all this time for free.  An individual's lack of finances isn't the problem of the community.  AROS doesn't pay the bills.  A real job does.  I dunno,  I guess I'm more of a guy that is in line with reality and knows what will pay the bills and doesnt.

If that community pays him enough,  good for him,  but if I was him I'd be lookin for a real job.  Good luck.


No, your just another Texan with an opinion.
The father of my best friend growing up was from Texas, I've learning not to ask Texans' their opinions (as they will offer them if you're in earshot either way, and when you don't agree with them, they'll just repeat themselves :hammer:).
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: Iggy;826858
No, your just another Texan with an opinion.
The father of my best friend growing up was from Texas, I've learning not to ask Texans' their opinions (as they will offer them if you're in earshot either way, and when you don't agree with them, they'll just repeat themselves :hammer:).

Its funny to read replies like yours.   When people dont agree with you, you have to result to a half-baked attempt at an insult.  LMAO.

Its ok, I'm not offended.  Enjoy and Good Luck!  :-)
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 09, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
We shouldnt get all wired up if people are not willing to support. Thats fine.

I just posted it to raise awareness of the situation, and those that feel they can spare some cash, and they feel it worthwhile, good stuff.

If not, thats fine too.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 09, 2017, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826861
Its funny to read replies like yours.   When people dont agree with you, you have to result to a half-baked attempt at an insult.  LMAO.

Its ok, I'm not offended.  Enjoy and Good Luck!  :-)


Sorry, offending you wasn't the intention.
It was for the amuzement of others here who have had the same experience with Texans (and I have relatives there, so...).

BTW - I didn't think the Republican party could come up with someone that would make me miss your village idiot (W.), but they've managed to do just that.

And - The last good argument I had with a Texan, was about sucession (and how well THAT worked out the last time).

Although...you seem pretty level headed, so...good luck to you too.
We're all going to need it.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on June 09, 2017, 09:45:17 PM
Quote from: Iggy;826867
BTW - I didn't think the Republican party could come up with someone that would make me miss your village idiot (W.), but they've managed to do just that.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NQfk26DN96Q/T1o8o_KYhfI/AAAAAAAAA5M/5uTPSGA7lrE/s1600/MissMeYet-Bush.jpg)

Just to help derail this thread even further.  ;)
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 10:16:34 PM
Quote from: Iggy;826867
Sorry, offending you wasn't the intention.
It was for the amuzement of others here who have had the same experience with Texans (and I have relatives there, so...).

BTW - I didn't think the Republican party could come up with someone that would make me miss your village idiot (W.), but they've managed to do just that.

And - The last good argument I had with a Texan, was about sucession (and how well THAT worked out the last time).

Although...you seem pretty level headed, so...good luck to you too.
We're all going to need it.


Unfortunately I'm not into politics.  I dont vote.  All politicians are garbage, even the current POTUS.
You're not trying hard enough.  Still not offended, just laughing my ass off over here. :-)
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 09, 2017, 10:18:13 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;826869
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NQfk26DN96Q/T1o8o_KYhfI/AAAAAAAAA5M/5uTPSGA7lrE/s1600/MissMeYet-Bush.jpg)

Just to help derail this thread even further.  ;)



(https://media.tenor.com/images/39db4dde7d127980159542052047a0b5/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 09, 2017, 11:53:07 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826848
I that was the case Hyperion, MorphOS devs etc all would be working full time on their respective OS with all of our support.  It's time for a real j.o.b.  We'd all love to work on what we love, at home, our own boss etc.  Sometimes that doesn't happen.

morphos team is charging for a license. right? for maintenance costs. aros team does not. now are you going to tell the morphos team to get real jobs instead?

now, os4 companies would certainly gather better support if they delivered comparable results in the same fields as aros developers instead justifying their products and prices with the heritage alone.

it isnt exactly unheard of, that the community gathered a bounty or otherwise supported developers from os4 or morphos camp. so whats your point?
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 10, 2017, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826870
Unfortunately I'm not into politics.  I dont vote.  All politicians are garbage, even the current POTUS.
You're not trying hard enough.  Still not offended, just laughing my ass off over here. :-)

You're as thick skinned as I am!
Damn, you're actually a pretty likable guy.

And I did just mutter to a panhandler to "Get a job" about an hour ago, so...

Those comments I made WERE pretty rude.

And what's scary is, I DO kind of miss W.

Not the brightest sumbeotch, but I'd rather have a beer with him than be in the same room with Trump.
And no matter what mistakes Jr. may have made, his heart seems to have been in the right place.

I keep expecting them to play Darth Vader's theme every time they show Trump enter a room.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: dovegrace on June 10, 2017, 01:17:39 AM
Quote from: Iggy;826877
I keep expecting them to play Darth Vader's theme every time they show Trump enter a room.


Really?  I keep expecting the Benny Hill theme...
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 10, 2017, 02:07:18 AM
Quote from: dovegrace;826878
Really?  I keep expecting the Benny Hill theme...

Damn, I'm ready to weep...:lol:

I freakin' love you guys, at least we all still have our senses of humor.

BTW - I met Chris Coons, one of our Delaware Senators today, a day after seeing him quoted on MSNBC and CNN (after that Senate hearing).
Even he still has his sense of humor (and he's a Republican).

So maybe I'm overreacting.
After all, if everyone else recognizes that the President is a knob...
Except, maybe, for his supporters (and they're just as frickin' crazy as he is)...well, maybe humanity isn't doomed after all. :lol:
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 10, 2017, 02:46:52 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;826873
morphos team is charging for a license. right? for maintenance costs. aros team does not. now are you going to tell the morphos team to get real jobs instead?

now, os4 companies would certainly gather better support if they delivered comparable results in the same fields as aros developers instead justifying their products and prices with the heritage alone.

it isnt exactly unheard of, that the community gathered a bounty or otherwise supported developers from os4 or morphos camp. so whats your point?


Why would I ask the MorphOS team to get jobs?  Lmao.  They're charging for work, I'm paying.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 10, 2017, 02:49:15 AM
Quote from: Iggy;826877
You're as thick skinned as I am!
Damn, you're actually a pretty likable guy.

And I did just mutter to a panhandler to "Get a job" about an hour ago, so...

Those comments I made WERE pretty rude.

And what's scary is, I DO kind of miss W.

Not the brightest sumbeotch, but I'd rather have a beer with him than be in the same room with Trump.
And no matter what mistakes Jr. may have made, his heart seems to have been in the right place.

I keep expecting them to play Darth Vader's theme every time they show Trump enter a room.



Well, it's ok.  I didn't take offense.   I understand what you're meaning.  I just mean a dude as skilled as Kalamatee can easily get a job.  I'm at fault for disregarding the point of this thread.  Just saying, he should have no problem finding a job.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 10, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: TheMagicM;826883
Just saying, he should have no problem finding a job.


you are trying hard not to understand. but whatever. you dont need to if you dont want. and you dont need to support nick. its volontary. i base my decision in this case upon achievements rather than trying to argue if he can find a job or not.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 10, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
@TheMagicM

I visited Ireland/Donegal a few months ago, and It was somewhat deserted. Very nice place, and superfriendly people. But the locals said the jobs was far and few between.
Alot of the locals left the country to find work, and if you have a family with kids, its not always easy to uproot and move just like that.

So saying it shouldnt be hard to find jobs; austerity in Europa has been applied much harsher than in USA. Germany is doing very well, in addition to the old Sovjet states. The socalled Old Europa, not so much.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: OldAmigan on June 10, 2017, 10:41:31 PM
Unfortunately, Kalamatee lives in a small town in the southwest of Scotland with limited employment prospects in the immediate area.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: TheMagicM on June 11, 2017, 02:02:01 AM
Quote from: Niding;826894
@TheMagicM

I visited Ireland/Donegal a few months ago, and It was somewhat deserted. Very nice place, and superfriendly people. But the locals said the jobs was far and few between.
Alot of the locals left the country to find work, and if you have a family with kids, its not always easy to uproot and move just like that.

So saying it shouldnt be hard to find jobs; austerity in Europa has been applied much harsher than in USA. Germany is doing very well, in addition to the old Sovjet states. The socalled Old Europa, not so much.


Well that sucks.  He has one heck of a skillset.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 11, 2017, 08:00:33 AM
For those so inclined;

His email is kalamatee (*at*) gmail (*dot*) com, and that can be used with Paypal for example.

Kala made a new post on Aros forum worth reading. It seems like hes in a rather timecritical situation;

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10523&forum=4&post_id=104912#forumpost104912
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 11, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Niding;826919
For those so inclined;

His email is..


please remove the plain mail details! dont post it like this!
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 11, 2017, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: wawrzon;826928
please remove the plain mail details! dont post it like this!


Why, if the need is immediate?
Its the only way to get it there quickly.

I don't have much to spare, so I pledged $5.00 a month (which doesn't start to come out until July), and sent $5.30 (which equals four pounds) via Paypal.

This amount isn't much, but if 99 other people did exact the same, this issue would be resolved.

And for the record, I'm not a routine AROS user, I'm a register MorphOS user (on a tight budget at that).
We need to support our developers and the community at large, so...
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: wawrzon on June 12, 2017, 12:15:12 AM
because one can abstract it in order not to have it at he mercy if simple spam bots to share? what concerns the donation, certainly you dont need to explain yourself, your support is surely very welcome.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Iggy on June 12, 2017, 01:01:05 AM
Quote from: wawrzon;826951
because one can abstract it in order not to have it at he mercy if simple spam bots to share? what concerns the donation, certainly you dont need to explain yourself, your support is surely very welcome.


I think I was able to interpret that. Spam bots, eh? Never really thought about that.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: Niding on June 12, 2017, 01:22:42 AM
wawrzon is right. I was being careless. My work email was being spammed initially too first time it got published, until proper filters was put in place.
Title: Re: Kalamatee Needs Support
Post by: klx300r on June 12, 2017, 02:34:28 AM
donation sent, hope he gets enough support from amigans to help him out