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Title: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: fondpondforever on May 18, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
What is the Rarest Amiga Operating System? By this i mean what is the least used one and the most valued one. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Pat the Cat on May 18, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
AFAIK the only one you can't buy easily is 1.4 (which is the beta to 2.04, only distributed internally to CBM and also with A3000UX).

Even then, it's probably not worth that much, as there doesn't seem to be any software that only runs on 1.4, but never runs on 2.

Sorry. Not much of a market for ROM chips / Kickstart files.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Fransexy_ on May 18, 2017, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: fondpondforever;825925
What is the Rarest Amiga Operating System? By this i mean what is the least used one and the most valued one. Thanks.


ProDAD's  p.OS?
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: shaf on May 18, 2017, 04:51:45 PM
AROS Floppy Drive Version.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: eliyahu on May 18, 2017, 05:04:23 PM
@shaf

i didn't even know that existed! is there a link to that somewhere?

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: develin on May 18, 2017, 06:42:15 PM
Rarest used version must be Version43/Kickstart 3.2 on the Walker =)
It is/was included in AmigaForever though, but on a real hardware it should be rather rare.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: nicholas on May 18, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;825938
@shaf

i didn't even know that existed! is there a link to that somewhere?

-- eliyahu


First link on this page. ;)

http://aros.sourceforge.net/nightly1.php
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: nicholas on May 18, 2017, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: Fransexy_;825927
ProDAD's  p.OS?


I have a CD of it, it's not that rare I don't think.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Leo24 on May 18, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Probably, OS/9. Not to be confused with Mac OS9.
Versions existed for Amiga, Atari, X68000, Macs and lots of other m68k platforms.
But I never came across of the Amiga version.

References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=20376
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Rob on May 18, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: develin;825943
Rarest used version must be Version43/Kickstart 3.2 on the Walker =)
It is/was included in AmigaForever though, but on a real hardware it should be rather rare.


OS4 Kickstart 53.23 on the made it to the Limebook Z9 but that's not actually usable so doesn't quite count.

Hyperion still have am IBM E-Lap with a usable (some might question that) version of OS4.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bghlbjmzzqo
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: klx300r on May 18, 2017, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: shaf;825931
AROS Floppy Drive Version.

oh no you didn't shaf :p btw, still have to bring over that 060 board for you to have a look at
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on May 18, 2017, 09:22:59 PM
Probably one of the "Beta 0.x" versions.  :lol:

http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_b0x.html
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: dovegrace on May 18, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: Leo24;825947
Probably, OS/9. Not to be confused with Mac OS9.
Versions existed for Amiga, Atari, X68000, Macs and lots of other m68k platforms.
But I never came across of the Amiga version.


I think I looked into this a few years ago (having used OS-9 and NitrOS-9 on my Coco 3).  IIRC the rights to the Amiga version were held by a guy in Australia, don't remember if it was still for sale, but I seem to remember a $500 figure.  Can't be arsed to Google it, though.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: utri007 on May 18, 2017, 10:56:44 PM
I have Workbench 3.0 original CD-rom.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: pyrre on May 19, 2017, 12:15:23 PM
In the attempts at making GEos to pc. was there not a project where someone attempted making GEos for the amiga?
I cant find the article that spoked about the GEos....
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Gulliver on May 19, 2017, 12:48:25 PM
VSTa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSTa
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: HammerD on May 19, 2017, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: fondpondforever;825925
What is the Rarest Amiga Operating System? By this i mean what is the least used one and the most valued one. Thanks.


Probably OS4 68k version.  Mythical I know :)
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Iggy on May 19, 2017, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Leo24;825947
Probably, OS/9. Not to be confused with Mac OS9.
Versions existed for Amiga, Atari, X68000, Macs and lots of other m68k platforms.
But I never came across of the Amiga version.

References:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=20376

That would be my vote.
An Australian port, it retailed for $2000 and was aimed primarily at multi-user business applications, since as far as I know it did not come with a GUI.

I have never seen a copy of it, but there is a much easier to obtain version for the Atari ST.
Personally, as the machines my company sold (based on this OS) had a GUI, I'm hard pressed to figure out who was buying the Amiga and ST versions.

Although they would have made a good central server for a point of sales system.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: r.cade on May 20, 2017, 03:55:34 AM
Quote from: Pat the Cat;825926
AFAIK the only one you can't buy easily is 1.4 (which is the beta to 2.04, only distributed internally to CBM and also with A3000UX).

Even then, it's probably not worth that much, as there doesn't seem to be any software that only runs on 1.4, but never runs on 2.

Sorry. Not much of a market for ROM chips / Kickstart files.


It's for sure used rarely, but not rare in existence. It is in lots/all of the early A3000's, not just the UX. Most were shipped with the 2.04 ROM kickfile on the hard disk so they wouldn't ever know unless they knew the trick to get it to boot into the strange 1.4.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: psxphill on May 20, 2017, 08:29:09 AM
Quote from: utri007;825967
I have Workbench 3.0 original CD-rom.


Is that the one made by versalia or the one made by eyetech?

Is it a real pressed CD-ROM or a CD-R?
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: Kronos on May 20, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
1.4 version number was also used for "Jumpstart".

-> just enough 2.0beta to use the A2024 monitor with a 1.3 Kickstart.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 20, 2017, 03:45:40 PM
I've often puzzled over how Workbench numbers work as they often don't relate to what I read as the official release numbers. Take the A2000 that I'm working on at the moment. It is running 2.1 which should be v38.36 but this one is 38.35. The beta was 38.30 so at some point someone created this hybrid to run I guess on the 2000. The version is the same just the Workbench version is different. Still has SAY but I guess someone could have installed that themselves. No Narrator or translator device. Doesn't have the GadTools GUI for SAY so not the beta version.

Its a real odd Workbench cus everything seems to be well and truthfully merged with the OS so stuff like Parnet hasn't got its own drawer and neither has DOpus. I have seen this done before, just makes configuring a little more interesting. Nothing is assigned to this software. Also a whole bag of stuff gets loaded in at boot.

Not the first variation on a theme I've seen mucking around with my machines. Probably home grown in some way. The date is 1985 to 1993 when 2.1 was 1985-91 and the Kickstart is the 3.1 Rom 40.63... not that means anything. So I don't know how in truth you work out which OS you have anyway.

One great thing about this A2000 is the keyboard it has the red Amiga buttons and the red CapsLock light is sat over the edge of the button as a rectangle that then goes down the face of the key.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: paul1981 on May 20, 2017, 11:18:17 PM
In the 90's scuzz my Workbench 3.0 was a hybrid too as I used to nick all the latest libs and devices etc. from AF and CU cover cd's. Ahhh... they were the days!
I wouldn't rely on any of your Amiga OS installs to be legit unless you have installed them yourself, fresh from the original unmodified OS disks. The reason I say 'unmodified' is that you have to be careful as some people did modify their Workbench disks, either deliberately or by accident.
Title: Re: Rarest Amiga Operating System?
Post by: scuzzb494 on May 21, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: paul1981;826049
In the 90's scuzz my Workbench 3.0 was a hybrid too as I used to nick all the latest libs and devices etc. from AF and CU cover cd's. Ahhh... they were the days!
I wouldn't rely on any of your Amiga OS installs to be legit unless you have installed them yourself, fresh from the original unmodified OS disks. The reason I say 'unmodified' is that you have to be careful as some people did modify their Workbench disks, either deliberately or by accident.


Been chasing down a Parnet conflict all day on this beast. I have used the same config and loaded everything in the same drawers on so many machines from 500s to 600s to 1200s to 4000 and never had an issue, but this 2000 refuses to play ball. I have the Checkmate logged in no problem and finds all the drives and I can transfer. But the 2000 just hangs on finding network. If I use the tool that came with the machine it goes through a different route and concludes it proceedings and places the Network icon on the desktop but its empty. The tooltype etc all are working with the support files.. just won't communicate with the Checkmate. I have checked everything so many times. Been at it all day... I'll probably have another go before bed.

Anyway, I never really trust installs actually on machines, as I know from experience my Workbench has grown and grown over the years. This one on this 2000 is as you see it cus I don't have the disks for it. I kinda sense when folk upgraded the Rom they rarely destroyed all of their previous OS given that it probably ran a lot of their software. So they kinda merge and blur together.

Anyway.. back to me Parnet. Annoying.