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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: djomre on May 12, 2017, 12:51:51 AM
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After checking prices for classic systems, I'm considering going with NG. Either way, it's some serious coin for a hobby. Anyone who owns an X5000 system, what are you thoughts? Good/Bad? Worth the money? Any feedback appreciated. Thanks!
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@djomre
i love my X5000, but if you're new to NG, i'd highly recommend you try AOS4 via UAE first, even though it is terribly slow in comparison, just to make sure you like it. the X5000 is not cheap, but for me, it's massively worth it. i can run all the 68K software i love, new software like sketchblock or digital universe; play HD videos and stream internet radio; and play great games like huenison and MACE.
it's not perfect. i would have preferred support for USB3 -- although that's more an issue with AOS4 than the X5000 itself. and there's no dual video-card support at the moment, so i can't drive more than one display. i'd also like to have more than one x16 PCI-e slot. all that said, though, the performance is awesome. the expansion options are great. and i love AOS4 and the native and 68K software that i can run on it. so i'd say if you have the spare cash, you'll love it.
any other X5K owners wanna chime in here? :)
-- eliyahu
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MY X1k and My SAM are well worth it, I don't have an x5k but can't imageine it wouldn't be similar.
Losts of fun, you have to like exploring and find your own ways to do stuff.
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I am an X5000 owner. Also owned the X1K in the day but sold that and then missed running AmigaOS so much when the X5K came out, I did the deed again.
They are fun. Mind you things we take for granted like easy and fast web browsing that just works on popular websites and watching videos within the browser with ease, is just not up to par as what you will find on Windows or Mac or Linux boxes.
So if you come into this as you want to learn Amiga OS and tinker and take updates as they come, months or years later after we on Mac or Windows do with ease, then the experience will be fun.
I enjoy IRC chat so use my X5K mostly daily, chat on IRC, basic web surfing, watch some lower rez movies, listen to a little music... all fun for me with Amiga.
Real work for business I do on linux or Mac as it is very internet driven and just works on my linux and Macs where with Odyssey in Amiga OS, not so much.
TJ
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..you have to like exploring and find your own ways to do stuff.
That's what I like about Amigas and Amigans. We're resourceful. :)
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I saved my money and bought my X5000..
Because, i was so tired of the battery issues, old caps and 20/30 year old problems.
Don't get me wrong, I still love my classics!
But brand new, everything.. PCI-e video card Radeon, new ddr3 memory
USB 2 works great, you can even boot from usb!
don't forget SATA, there's more...
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After checking prices for classic systems, I'm considering going with NG. Either way, it's some serious coin for a hobby. Anyone who owns an X5000 system, what are you thoughts? Good/Bad? Worth the money? Any feedback appreciated. Thanks!
Where are you located?
TJ
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Where are you located?
TJ
Near St. Louis.
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Near St. Louis.
Ah cool.
Well then our USA dealer is a pleasure to work with.
http://www.amigaonthelake.com
TJ
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Ah cool.
Well then our USA dealer is a pleasure to work with.
www.amigaonthelake.com (http://www.amigaonthelake.com)
TJ
Yep, sent them a message asking if I could check out an X5000 system. I'm going to be in NY on business next week.
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I agree with everyone's comments. I bought an X5000 as well... it arrived in January. I am having a blast with it. Learning new things, playing with the new and old software....
It is difficult to use it as a primary machine, as AmigaSociety stated... the browser is OK, but not great, and several things don't work quite right.... but the Amiga specific stuff works fine!
-Slygon
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I am writing this post as I am awaiting Amazon to deliver the final components of what will be my new X5000 system having received a brand new motherboard earlier in the week, so I guess I will be able to tell you what I think a little later on, but judging what others have posted, I think perhaps you should take the plunge ;-)
I own a current NG machine also in an Amigaone500 based on the Sam 460cr board. Its a nice machine, but I wanted something a lot more powerful..
People like to moan about the cost of the X5000 as a system but the motherboard and components have just cost me shy of £1650.00 ( I am recycling the Radeon 7750 card from my Amigaone500 machine which is the only thing I have scrimped on as ive not had it for long)
To put this into comparison £1650 would have been the figure to add the following to my 20 year old Amiga1200 which would have left me with a system would have been less powerful than my Sam 460 and brought the A1200 to semi modern standards:
Rare Cyberstorm PPC card when you can find them on EBay £600+
Indivision dvi-I output £129
Spider II USB £60
Mediator Busboard £270
A1200 Tower....based on Elbox's current upcoming offering £300
Graphics card £70-100
recapping of A1200 motherboard £30-50
replacement of existing yellow keyboard and case £100
I simply did the maths and decided to get the X5000 and support future development.
Now hurry up Amazon so I can start putting the bits together :-)
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I've thought about getting one, and here is my take on it and why I have still put a pause on getting one.
The hardware is nothing special, is more or less just standard hardware (and out of date before it was even sold) that has some fancy firmware allowing OS4.1 to run on it.
The software is far from done and doesnt even take advantage of the existing hardware. This was the same on all the past models of the NG systems as well so I dont expect it to catch up on this model as well before the next, if a next is even made or starting to be introduced.
Past hardware is totally abandoned now from the manufacturers. You cant get a single thing for them any longer, including the massively expensive X1000 machines. This single factor alone is what scares the hell out of me. I just cant spend that kind of money on hardware that has so little available for it over my classic systems to justify the expense, no matter how nice it is.
I truly want to see the NG systems take off, but until the speed of development and driver support for the currently available hardware gets up to speed I just cant bring myself to take the plunge.
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I have one X5000 and it's the best allround amiga i have but i would highly recomend you to have atleast one classic available too, they are both needed for the best experience :)
I do some emulation with uae on it but sometimes it's very satisfying to fire up one standard A500 and have a go, or a vampire expanded.. or 030 or 060 etc .
But if i could only have one i guess i would keep the X5000.
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Past hardware is totally abandoned now from the manufacturers. You cant get a single thing for them any longer, including the massively expensive X1000 machines. This single factor alone is what scares the hell out of me
That might be a deciding factor for me. Planned obsolesence is part of the game in the x86 world, but the stakes aren't as high.
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That might be a deciding factor for me. Planned obsolesence is part of the game in the x86 world, but the stakes aren't as high.
I would say, the X5000 has enough expansion possibilities with the PCI-x slots...
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@djomre
as an actual owner of a X5000 and other NG machines (as opposed to someone who isn't), the support from A-EON, hyperion, and acube has been terrific IMO. the only area that i think wasn't so great was the lack of an on-board ethernet driver for the X1000 and the X5000 -- we're still waiting for those, and i don't have much confidence we'll ever see them. otherwise it's been fine, including performance and bug-fix updates for years.
-- eliyahu
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I would say, the X5000 has enough expansion possibilities with the PCI-x slots...
Are they PCI-X or PCI-E? I hope they are not PCI-X, its not supported by anyone now from what I understand since PCI-E more or less took over.
I am very interested in the X5000, but as I mentioned the hardware support that is missing is very troubling to me to consider it still.
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@Acill
they are PCI-e slots, not PCI-X. and precisely what hardware support is missing that you keep mentioning? AFAIK the only thing missing is the on-board ethernet driver and SMP support.
-- eliyahu
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If you can.
Get it.
X5000 it's the best option.
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@Acill
they are PCI-e slots, not PCI-X. and precisely what hardware support is missing that you keep mentioning? AFAIK the only thing missing is the on-board ethernet driver and SMP support.
-- eliyahu
If thats all thats missing now I take it back, but it still seems to be going very slowly as far as hardware support goes and new software. I did say I am interested in them, but just a bit skeptical of its long-term success.
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@Acill
fair enough. we'd all like things to move more quickly. we only now have a terrific 3D infrastructure in the past months. thankfully more is coming on that front, and more. anyway -- we'll just have to see how it plays out. for now, i'm lovin' my X5000 as-is! :)
-- eliyahu
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I'm with Acill on this one. It's an interesting hobby machine but at the price you are paying you would be expecting a modern day system that can cope with all what that entails and this isn't it. At least not until the OS catches up. And who is to say it will in the lifetime of this machine? For me it appears to be an expensive cul-de-sac.
I think the A1222 may be a more attractive option given it's lower price point and once it actually is released.
This is all my opinion so take it for what it is. I honestly have no use for this machine. I have my classics for retro fun and I have my modern PC for daily stuff so perhaps I am not the target audience for the PPC Machines.
But if you are set on an X5000 then I hope it brings you much enjoyment! To each their own.
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what are you thoughts? Good/Bad? Worth the money?
You're asking the wrong question. The first question you should ask yourself is: "What do I want to do with it"? An Amiga and an AmigaOne are two totally different beasts.
An Amiga is very slow, adding a graphics card is insanely expensive (and not really needed these days) and they're totally useless for today's computing tasks. Plus, the hardware might need some love before you can actually use it (recapping, removing batteries...). But depending on which model you buy, it's a cool reminder of days gone by, a collectible, the hardware project you always wanted to do or simply hardware porn. You can 'use' it to play old games, watch demos, try old applications you could never get your hands on back then or build a 1989 setup that can do DTP 1989 style and receive weather broadcasts via CB radio. Or you can spend hours finetuning Workbench to your liking.
An AmigaOne is relatively slow - yes, even the latest models - and insanely expensive. It can be used for about 15% (totally made that number up right now) of today's computing tasks - if you're a masochist. But you'll own a computer of which only a few hundred units were build, not thousands or even millions - so: definitely hardware porn. It doesn't really run old games or demos, but it runs Linux game ports and some old applications, plus a bunch of new ones. And the Workbench - or rather the entire OS - is miles better than the older versions, i.e. finetuning it should be even more fun if that's your thing.
IMHO: if you think about what you want it for, it will become clear what you should buy. Plus, as somebody already mentioned: both platforms can be tried out via emulation for a low price, you might want to give that a try before spending thousands of dollars.
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@cgutjahr
i think you may want to re-assess if the x5000 is slow.... just set mine up and already i notice a big big difference compared to the Sam 460..... even Timberwolf is usuable ;-)
webpages on Odyssey load very quickly... really impressed so far with this machine :-)
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The ethernet thing is no big deal either!
I plugged in a 100/1000 pci card used the driver included with the AmigaOS and off to the races. Every URL I use works great and loads as fast as my pc. Which I'm using less...
As to the x1000, the great support by AmigaKIT is outstanding (ask Epsilion!)
a real x5000 owner
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Are they PCI-X or PCI-E? I hope they are not PCI-X, its not supported by anyone now from what I understand since PCI-E more or less took over.
I am very interested in the X5000, but as I mentioned the hardware support that is missing is very troubling to me to consider it still.
You are right, it is the PCI-express type.
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Glad to see all these positive posts.
Its a great machine.
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@cgutjahr
i think you may want to re-assess if the x5000 is slow.... just set mine up and already i notice a big big difference compared to the Sam 460..... even Timberwolf is usuable ;-)
webpages on Odyssey load very quickly... really impressed so far with this machine :-)
Slow is relative. Compared to my 8-core Ryzen 1800X (3.6 GHz base, 4.1 GHz turbo), which cost about €700 for the motherboard+CPU, the X5000's dual-core CPU (one usable core in AmigaOS) at 2 GHz is slow by any metric. It's perhaps as powerful as the Snapdragon SOC in my phone.
Still, it's the fastest "Amiga" in the world, so by that definition it can't be slow, and it certainly should be faster than the SAM 460 that came out 7 years ago. So if you really want the fastest AmigaOS 4 machine available, this is it.
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Slow is relative. Compared to my 8-core Ryzen 1800X (3.6 GHz base, 4.1 GHz turbo), which cost about €700 for the motherboard+CPU, the X5000's dual-core CPU (one usable core in AmigaOS) at 2 GHz is slow by any metric. It's perhaps as powerful as the Snapdragon SOC in my phone.
Still, it's the fastest "Amiga" in the world, so by that definition it can't be slow, and it certainly should be faster than the SAM 460 that came out 7 years ago. So if you really want the fastest AmigaOS 4 machine available, this is it.
WinUAE on your Ryzen will be faster than an X5000 ;)
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And here's me struggling with my 2007 Intel Celeron M 1.6 GHz laptop. I maxed out the RAM last year to 2GB from 1GB! This is the machine I use every day! It does the job, just. The internet gets heavier each year though so it'll soon be time for an adblocker! Youtube videos seem to get harder to decode as well.
I bet an X5000 would seem heavenly fast compared to what I'm used to!
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Slow is relative.
So is "fast". It's all perception. :)
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And here's me struggling with my 2007 Intel Celeron M 1.6 GHz laptop. I maxed out the RAM last year to 2GB from 1GB! This is the machine I use every day! It does the job, just. The internet gets heavier each year though so it'll soon be time for an adblocker! Youtube videos seem to get harder to decode as well.
I bet an X5000 would seem heavenly fast compared to what I'm used to!
YouTube gives you VP8/9 encoded videos by default, if you install h264ify add-on for Firefox/Chrome it'll force YouTube to stream h264 encoded videos which your video card should be able to play with it's hardware decoder.
Install ublock origin for your sanity/security too :)
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So is "fast". It's all perception. :)
Faster isn't subjective though. ;)
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WinUAE on your Ryzen will be faster than an X5000 ;)
Not running OS4, that would be a close call, with better graphics support on the X5000.
And, when released, the X5000 will be able to run MorphOS, UAE...nope.
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YouTube gives you VP8/9 encoded videos by default, if you install h264ify add-on for Firefox/Chrome it'll force YouTube to stream h264 encoded videos which your video card should be able to play with it's hardware decoder.
Install ublock origin for your sanity/security too :)
Thanks, i'll look into that. I use Vivaldi but I think it takes Chrome ad-ons so that should be fine.
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I bought my X1000 because AmigaOS has always been my favourite and because I wanted to fully support Trevor/ A-Eon to get his and my dream back on track after having to wait so long for new hardware for my favourite OS!
I enjoyed beta testing for it, putting the system together, customizing my case, and of course messing with workbench endlessly, helping troubleshoot issues with other amiga users/ developers etc etc. Basically I'm an amigan and always will be so the X1000 was made for me and I'm sure X5000 users would feel the same.
If you expect to have a 'perfect & hack free' computer buy a tablet or smart phone nowadays or any cheap PC off the computer store shelf but if you don't mind getting your elbows dirty & are a bit 'off center' & actually enjoy it then well welcome home :hammer:
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Thanks, i'll look into that. I use Vivaldi but I think it takes Chrome ad-ons so that should be fine.
I use it with no problems under Vivaldi.
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I know that it only has USB 2.0 ports but can you use external cd/dvd drives. If so, are they bootable?
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WinUAE on your Ryzen will be faster than an X5000 ;)
See above...again.
AND it will be in a Windows environment, not an Amigan environment.
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@wlemonds
DVD drives are connected via one of the 2 on board SATA ports on the X5000 so they work straight away once the machine is switched on. The other sata port will be used by either an internal SSD drive or a physical hard drive. Plenty of ports too on the motherboard if you need to add a SATA controller for anything else you wish to add internally.
via the external USB ports (there are 6 in total) you can plug in all sorts of detachable devices such as external hard drives, USB memory stick, Memory card readers, usb hubs, joysticks and joypads etc..... You can also plug in your phone and have it charge up or transfer photos across using the Photo transfer protocol.
Devices which are USB3.0 like my Sandisk multicard reader will also work as it is backwards compatible.
@paul1981
Yes the X5000 is quick, Using Odyssey on this machine feels like a completely different browser and am pleased to report from the games I have tested out so far in E-UAE i am pleased to report that it works with no slow-down or any stuttering sound compared to the Sam460. Tried this with R-Type 2, Lotus 3, Slam Tilt AGA. Snes 9x works brilliant, have discovered the delight that is Dirt Race FX which works perfectly with no frameskip ;-)
I know it is an expensive machine, but if you are seriously thinking about it, my advice is save up your pennies :-)
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@wlemonds
DVD drives are connected via one of the 2 on board SATA ports on the X5000 so they work straight away once the machine is switched on. The other sata port will be used by either an internal SSD drive or a physical hard drive. Plenty of ports too on the motherboard if you need to add a SATA controller for anything else you wish to add internally.
via the external USB ports (there are 6 in total) you can plug in all sorts of detachable devices such as external hard drives, USB memory stick, Memory card readers, usb hubs, joysticks and joypads etc..... You can also plug in your phone and have it charge up or transfer photos across using the Photo transfer protocol.
Devices which are USB3.0 like my Sandisk multicard reader will also work as it is backwards compatible.
Yea I know you can hook them up to the SATA, but, do they work from USB? Reason I ask is I'm looking at getting a case that doesn't have bays on the front for the X5000 motherboard. Since I wouldn't be using the CD/DVD hardly at all I was looking at the external option for when I do.
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@...@paul1981
Yes the X5000 is quick, Using Odyssey on this machine feels like a completely different browser
Or a completely different machine, running Odyssey on an X5000 is fast, its like run it on a Powermac G5 (while spending so much more money. :hammer:
Of course, I'm still buying one, as its the only way to getting this kind of responsiveness under OS4.
Of course you could wait for Tabor, spend less, and not get this. :laugh1:
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@wlemonds well my external 1 TB hard drive works via the USB ports without any issue if that is any help so i am guessing any usb based CD/DVD drives would do the same :-)
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Or a completely different machine, running Odyssey on an X5000 is fast, its like run it on a Powermac G5 (while spending so much more money. :hammer:
Yea but that is old hardware which will probably conk out in a few years time....besides its an Apple product and i don't really do the Church of Scientology/Cupertino Cult ;-)
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Do you need 2 sticks of ram for performance or can you just use one 4GB for example?
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I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?
The power of the average PC/CPU is generally wasted nowadays. Unless you're a hardcore gamer or into 3D modelling/rendering - most CPUs are overkill - and even in these examples many tasks are offloaded to the GPU nowadays or in the case of rendering, offloaded to render farms in AWS.
I'm confident the X5000 would make a perfectly usable desktop machine, using AmigaOS for fun and Linux for productivity. For the cost you get a perfectly good CPU for desktop use and the ability to dual boot. I'm still perfectly happy with my 5 year old AMD box, I'm guessing performance wouldn't be dissimilar?
I'm guessing the Tabor board will also be great for most most desktop tasks.
Steve
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@TCMSLP
Hardcore gamer? How about video editing or a casual game of Elite Dangerous Horizons? Apple are leaving behind ALL gamers beyond casual mobile gamers and Blizzard fans (since Blizzard seem to be Apple fanboys and will support the Metal API on the Mac).
The Amiga is playing catch up but its GPU support is moving in the right direction and Warp3D Nova is a great initiative. All Apple cares about is battery life and slim form factors and they are letting their pro users down. Alienware and Asus are some of the only companies pushing performance these days on the PC.
I wouldn't say the power is being wasted but it's no longer being marketed as a selling point and hence customers are being fleeced especially in the Mac world.
In the Amiga world it's the software that needs updating. The X5000 is more than fast enough for a new Lightwave!
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I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?
As usual those who complain the most are those who don't actually use the machine or have ever seen one.
The X5000 is my main desktop computer it has finally replaced my PC, I can watch DVD's I surf the net with little or no issue now, I write my blog on it, I play classic games with no slowdown, I play current OS 4.1 releases with no issue. I can provide from it if needed, I use it for emails, word processing, spreadsheets transfer of pictures and playback of my music collection stuff I would normally would have used my desktop PC for previously.
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As usual those who complain the most are those who don't actually use the machine or have ever seen one.
True! lol
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BozzerBigD,
Would be nice to have a port of "Elite Dangerous" on OS4+, dream mode off....
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I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?
I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?
You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl? Fine by me - I'm happy for you. But don't get all worked up because I call it 'slow'.
The power of the average PC/CPU is generally wasted nowadays.
The last time we got somewhat reliable, independent benchmarks, there was an Mplayer benchmark (decoding a h264 stream) where the MorphOS machine spent 0.6 seconds waiting for system I/O, while the OS4 machine spent nearly 1200% of that time waiting for system I/O. That's what I call wasting CPU cycles. Granted, that was back in 2012 - but OS4 and drivers aren't exactly a success story.
and even in these examples many tasks are offloaded to the GPU nowadays
Not on OS4.
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I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?
You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl?
Can anyone take the above post Seriously?
They say you should never feed a troll but the fact he has accused me of being too old to appreciate things when according to an interview in 2016 with Obligement he listed himself as 42 which makes him at least 3-4 years of than me....
Ill stick with my original truism that the biggest moaners are those who have never set eyes on the machine or actually don't use it on a day to day basis rather than resort to trolling and personal insults.
Btw this was posted from Odyssey on an X5000 which works pretty well with Javascript switched on and with a what some people would consider a sluggish 38MB fibre connection. It's a huge and noticeable difference from the previous Sam 460 set up I was using....
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Can anyone take the above post Seriously?
They say you should never feed a troll but the fact he has accused me of being too old to appreciate things when according to an interview in 2016 with Obligement he listed himself as 42 which makes him at least 3-4 years of than me....
Ill stick with my original truism that the biggest moaners are those who have never set eyes on the machine or actually don't use it on a day to day basis rather than resort to trolling and personal insults.
Btw this was posted from Odyssey on an X5000 which works pretty well with Javascript switched on and with a what some people would consider a sluggish 38MB fibre connection. It's a huge and noticeable difference from the previous Sam 460 set up I was using....
He has a point that the cpu of the X5000 is not very fast compared to other platforms, but
If the cpu is the criterium he would never recommend buying a Mac as there are much cheaper alternatives.
We want to run AmigaOS and the X5000 is the best there is.
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And that is the problem, people are quick to troll based on specs that they see and put this in comparison to other platforms but never actually try out the system on a day to day basis to make a properly informed judgement. All they go off is the specs.
And yes In Amiga terms it's the quickest out there so it is only fair to compare the machine to what else is out there running Amiga OS 4.1
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@Bennymee (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=579)
It's all about productivity really. Is the platform good for Blender, Hollywood and coding? Was it easy to produce Wings, Tower57 and Odyssey/Timberwolf? Is Warp3D Nova successful in bringing modern graphics acceleration to the Amiga and is it easily used and fast?
It's a bit of a worry that Hollywood is 64bit on all the other platforms other than the Amiga now :-( Surely that will slow down Amiga development?
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I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?
You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl? Fine by me - I'm happy for you. But don't get all worked up because I call it 'slow'.
The last time we got somewhat reliable, independent benchmarks, there was an Mplayer benchmark (decoding a h264 stream) where the MorphOS machine spent 0.6 seconds waiting for system I/O, while the OS4 machine spent nearly 1200% of that time waiting for system I/O. That's what I call wasting CPU cycles. Granted, that was back in 2012 - but OS4 and drivers aren't exactly a success story.
Not on OS4.
I didn't realise you owned an X5000. I really do not agree with the tests people do. In reality no one is ever going to test it like that. They just want to switch it on and use it.
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I really do not agree with the tests people do.
but its os4 users who are obsessed with benchmarking even when the difference falls under measure error. if the results are favourable, that is. recently ive seen someone asking around for x5k tests on german sites, to complete his chart i believe. looks has he found no volunteers as it seems.
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I'd really love to see the OS4 team release a version for the G5 Powermacs, even if its just an internal version to show what the X5000 can do alongside it once and for all. I know if or when MorphOS comes out for it things will be a bit better since we can compare how it runs on both systems, but I am interested in OS4 too and want a reason to spend this kind of money over just using a fast PC or my A4000T with a CSPPC in it before I do it.
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I'd really love to see the OS4 team release a version for the G5 Powermacs, even if its just an internal version to show what the X5000 can do alongside it once and for all. I know if or when MorphOS comes out for it things will be a bit better since we can compare how it runs on both systems, but I am interested in OS4 too and want a reason to spend this kind of money over just using a fast PC or my A4000T with a CSPPC in it before I do it.
Well you can run OS4.1 Final Edition with your CS PPC and a Radeon card, you will get some compositing support. Obviously OS4.1 FE on an X1000 (or X5000) is much more fluid...the latest RadeonHD driver makes it feel very smooth (and of course you get the eye candy effects). You can also run it in WinUAE, but with all the eye candy / compositing effects it's almost a different experience. Looks much better and obviously faster.
It just is a better overall experience on the faster / modern hardware.