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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: eliyahu on April 03, 2017, 04:07:18 PM
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taking a look through some amiga web sites this weekend, i noticed the following over at ibrowse-dev.net (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/news.php?id=1491063595):
IBrowse 2.5 FAQ and History Log - No fools here :-)
As we move closer towards a new IBrowse release, we've updated the FAQ (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/faq.php) a little and uploaded an unedited history log (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/history.php) of all the changes made since IBrowse 2.4 was released (these will both be updated at various times in the future as development continues).
still no CSS or anything huge like that, but at least all of the SSL issues we've had for years are solved, plus loads of fixes, minor updates to the UI, a native AOS4 version, and more. i know we now have native AOS3 and AOS4 versions of netsurf, but ibrowse performance is terrific on 68K machines especially.
anyone else excited for the upcoming release? :)
-- eliyahu
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Sounds great!
taking a look through some amiga web sites this weekend, i noticed the following over at ibrowse-dev.net (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/news.php?id=1491063595):
still no CSS or anything huge like that, but at least all of the SSL issues we've had for years are solved, plus loads of fixes, minor updates to the UI, a native AOS4 version, and more. i know we now have native AOS3 and AOS4 versions of netsurf, but ibrowse performance is terrific on 68K machines especially.
anyone else excited for the upcoming release? :)
-- eliyahu
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Where's the "shut up and take my money" emoji? :hammer: :lol:
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Haha! Maybe it will go back on sale when released?
Where's the "shut up and take my money" emoji? :hammer: :lol:
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@jdryyz
based on the FAQ (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/faq.php#Q9) the update might be a paid one. looks like oliver hasn't made his mind up on that one. since there's a native AOS4 build, i would think they'd want to allow new purchasers. at least i hope.
-- eliyahu
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This is great! I'll gladly buy the upgrade.
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Nice news , it would be even nicer if it support latest web technologies. (HTML5/CCS/JIT JS...)
Kamelito
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Oh come on, of all the days in the year they had to post this news on April 1? :lol:
I hope they really are close to release. My cash is standing by. :)
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+100 :)
Seriously, I've said it before and I will say it again, I am ready to drop cash on new Ibrowse development. I really hope this is happening!
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Oh come on, of all the days in the year they had to post this news on April 1? :lol:
Oh, they wouldn't... :angryfire:
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The first web page to look at with it will of course be amiga.org
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if true just shut up and take my money :-)
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The first web page to look at with it will of course be amiga.org
it wont render without css.
ibrowse may be able to show aw.net, amiga-news.de and aminet, but thats probably about it. sorry to say.
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ibrowse may be able to show aw.net, amiga-news.de and aminet, but thats probably about it. sorry to say.
a1k.org aswell, at least until the next software upgrade. And os4depot should work too (without colors), IIRC.
For amiga.org, Karlos wrote a Proxy that 'translates' amiga.org's output into something IBrowse can use: http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/
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it wont render without css.
ibrowse may be able to show aw.net, amiga-news.de and aminet, but thats probably about it. sorry to say.
If you set your profile on amiga.org, eab.abime.net and others to use their respective mobile themes, you can use them on iBrowse. I've done it with EAB and nearly sure amiga.org worked that way too.
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And bear in mind that Amiga.org "works" in IBrowse, it just looks a little messy.
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And bear in mind that Amiga.org "works" in IBrowse, it just looks a little messy.
+1 The previous poster's comment made it sound like it didn't work at all. I've logged in here and posted several times from my A2000/IBrowse 2.4, so it definitely does work! (albeit not the most attractive site on that platform, lol) ;)
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And bear in mind that Amiga.org "works" in IBrowse, it just looks a little messy.
Does it? :)
(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=204&pictureid=1401)
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And bear in mind that Amiga.org "works" in IBrowse, it just looks a little messy.
http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/ ;)
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Yes, this really looks more and more promising!! I look forward to buying IBrowse 2.5 :D
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There are ways to cheat, just saying ;)
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There are ways to cheat, just saying ;)
Only Amiga makes it possible! :laugh1:
Yea, so anyways.... where do I send my money!!!! :banana:
Signed: Jess Tikulator :roflmao:
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For amiga.org, Karlos wrote a Proxy that 'translates' amiga.org's output into something IBrowse can use: http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/
Yeah this is a great option, and i use since few years ago, all the time when browse Amiga.org on my Amigas OS3.x.
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Signed: Jess Tikulator :roflmao:
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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okay, it might be good for remainig handful amiga sites without css or those few available via a proxy rendering their layout to simple graphics of html2 or so, but it wont be an internet browser any close to be applicable for general usage. which is fine as far as everybody realizes it.
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okay, it might be good for remainig handful amiga sites without css
Sites aren't automatically unusable just because a browser doesn't support CSS. Anyone who's used IBrowse 2.4 knows that. Of course, it won't make sites look any better, but that's a different story.
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double post while editing..
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Sites aren't automatically unusable just because a browser doesn't support CSS. Anyone who's used IBrowse 2.4 knows that. Of course, it won't make sites look any better, but that's a different story.
it wasnt nitpicking. do you think this approach is practical? or at least practicable?
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okay, it might be good for remainig handful amiga sites without css or those few available via a proxy rendering their layout to simple graphics of html2 or so, but it wont be an internet browser any close to be applicable for general usage. which is fine as far as everybody realizes it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJR_zsq3Ns
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJR_zsq3Ns
exactly.
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it wasnt nitpicking. do you think this approach is practical? or at least practicable?
Until someone writes a really well designed and well optimized browser for 68k (way, way beyond IBrowse), it's the best we've got.
exactly.
Ugly isn't the same as unusable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJR_zsq3Ns
I'm surprised how slow your scrolling in iBrowse appears to be. I'm sure I've seen other A2000 setups which appear to be mega smooth with rtg card and 040/060. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly? I do like your A2000 setup btw :)
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Until someone writes a really well designed and well optimized browser for 68k (way, way beyond IBrowse), it's the best we've got.
none will do that. as you see even ibrowse autors struggle to implement any features needed to day. the solution is to use existing open engines with an amiga gui or let it be. im fine with either.
Ugly isn't the same as unusable.
i think i have spente enough time trying to figure out what ibrowse or aweb have rendered in front of me, to say it is not a question of aesthetics, but ergonomy. if the browser cannot display the page any close to what was intended by whoever has put it together, you might soon lose your way around it. but if you find it usable, so that you dont need to use a browser on your pc instead, then i can only applaud.
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none will do that.
Indeed. Everyone in the Amiga community keeps yelling that we need this, we need that, but almost no one does anything (including myself :().
as you see even ibrowse autors struggle to implement any features needed to day.
That may have several reasons, and we'll probably never know.
the solution is to use existing open engines with an amiga gui or let it be. im fine with either.
Which will just lead to bad performance on 68k. We've already seen that.
if you find it usable
It's useful when I need it (which isn't often).
so that you dont need to use a browser on your pc instead
I love using my peecee ;)
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Which will just lead to bad performance on 68k. We've already seen that.
Have you trie this? http://cy2.uk/netsurfos3
Bad performance is relative, I highly doubt that there woun't be much faster browser than Chris' Netsurf already is. Oldsmobile_Mike's video has some performance after 25min. Amiga.org renders about a 21 seconds. Newer version has much faster https browsin, than version on video. (wikipedia)
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I'm surprised how slow your scrolling in iBrowse appears to be. I'm sure I've seen other A2000 setups which appear to be mega smooth with rtg card and 040/060. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly? I do like your A2000 setup btw :)
Eh. I wasn't really making that as a performance demonstration, was just di**ing around one day. ;)
Am sure there's things I could to to improve that, for example running it on it's own screen instead of the Workbench, etc. Might look into it one of these days.
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Have you trie this? http://cy2.uk/netsurfos3
Sadly not, because it's 3.5+.
Amiga.org renders about a 21 seconds.
If that's on a 68060, then IBrowse 2.4 is a lot faster. It renders amiga.org in 20 seconds on a 50mhz 68030 (and it's usable).
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Sorry guys but didn't they have a CSS engine almost ready a few years ago ? What happened ?
I love and would buy IBrowse too but without CSS I don't think it's worth it...
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They going to port it to FreeMiNT too? (now that it also runs on the Amiga?) :D
Okay, that's at least partly a joke, would love to see a decent browser on my Falcon, I've yet to get netsurf working, and it sounds like they're dropping support from the autobuild of it.
While I would gladly pay for an updated iBrowse, I think that out of all the types of software out there, browsers should always remain open source. Mainly due to auditing purposes and so the users will feel a little safer that there isn't some code in there that is hijacking your login information and sending it to the authors.
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@thread
the digression about building netsurf on 68K systems has been moved here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=824287). please keep discussion in this thread on ibrowse 2.5. thanks.
-- eliyahu