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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: RiP on January 16, 2017, 07:23:42 AM
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I have just bought some SCSI CDROM and MO drives but I don't know how to mount it in Workbench 2.05 :confused:
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It's do-able, but for starters are you adverse to upgrading to 3.1, or at least 2.1? It's much easier with the newer versions.
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I can install 2.1 and what's next?
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You need to download a CD filesystem. Browse aminet's disk/cdrom section. Here's one:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240 (http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240)
2.0 will work, but the convention there is the Mountlist as with 1.x. Not good for beginners though, which is why Mike suggested 2.1. Read the docs is my advice. There's other filesystems too so you might want to browse yourself, but the above should be fine. It's been a while since I used cd's on my Amiga.
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And what about mounting MO drive?
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MOs are much like hard disks, but it can be a little tricky to work out the information to write a suitable MOUNT text file for them that is the right shape and size.
One way around this is to examine a previously setup MO disk with your HD installation software (Faastprep isn't ideal for this and has big limitations on usage, so avoid it unless you have no choice) and see exactly how it is laid out. This might not be necessary, but one key difference is - MO disks are removable. AFAIK SCSI-2 supports hot plug, but not hot unplug, so you might have issues ejecting the media, trying to change from one disk to the next.
IIRC, GVP A2000 cards needed ROM upgrade to handle removable media properly.
If yours has had this done, no problem, but it might not have the newer ROM.
Page has link on it for ROM upgrade if needed, but you will have to get it burned into a chip yourself and plugged into the GVP card.
(Use Mike's link to 4.15 ROM upgrade, that will plug into any GVP Impact Series II without an adaptor).
AmigaOS 2.1 and 3.1 are much easier to work with, as they have CrossDOS included, to read and write PC formatted disks without the user having to worry about stuff. I never met anyone who used 2.1 who did not prefer it to 2.04. 3 does not have CrossDOS, 3.1 and later do have CrossDOs (but I almost never used them, so take that last one as untested). To access PC formatted disks I just put the right crossdos bits into DEVS, and L. Maybe device too, it's been a while, but you don't really NEED a different ROM chip that has it built in. You don't need CrossDOS anyway really, to just use the drives to store Amiga data.
(the x.1 were the developer versions of AmigaDOS that CBM were very, very slow to release to their customers, also 1.4, which eventually was released as WB and KS2.04, which you have). You can do this stuff on a 1.3 Amiga onwards, it just gets easier the later KS and WB you use. 1.2 you could not autoboot, you had to start from a floppy disk, which mounted any and all other drives including hard drives. Or not. 1.2 can do this but it's horriblly slow starting from floppy.
If a SCSI drive has an RDB (rigid disk block) written onto it, the system will automatically pick it up without you needing to mount it. RDB specification is fixed, so works with ALL kinds of Amiga SCSI controllers. A SCSI disk formatted on an Amiga will work with any other SCSI Amiga with a drive that can read the same media. This doesn't happen in PC Land, where all drives have to be setup, partitioned and formatted with the same brand of SCSI controller. Which, oddly enough, can make Amigas better at accessing old PC SCSI drives than older real PCs. Weird. Not usually nowadays, but PC drives and systems from the same era, anyway.
CD-ROMs are the exception here to RDB, as the file system was set outside of Commodore, and the Amiga had to adapt to it. That's why you need a specific filesystem to access CD-ROMs with an Amiga. Much more work with 2.04, a piece of cake with 3.1.
It sounds crazy, having to put a CD filesystem on a CD so an older Amiga can boot from the CD and read the CD Filesystem file needed to access the CD... but there you go. Unless you are designing self booting CD-ROMs for the Amiga, it's not an issue.
:crazy: :python:
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Info on controller: http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact2000hc8
(GVP has many different names for their controllers - I'm assuming it's this one based on the title of your post. You should probably confirm exact model)
Info on ROM's: http://babel.de/amiga.html
Obviously the Guru-ROM is the most desirable but they are rare and require a PCB adapter. A guy on Amibay was making & selling them last year. The next-best ROM version is 4.15, "tjlazer" was selling these on ebay pretty frequently. I've owned a bunch of these GVP cards, you'll need the latest ROM's (if you don't have them already) to support removable media.
FaaastPrep is horrible software, especially with any drive larger than a few hundred MB. Recommend 3.1 to use HDToolbox, if you're determined to give it a go with 2.1 try HDInstTools:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/hdinst
Obviously you'll need to have the proper cables to physically connect these drives to your Amiga, as well as any terminators, jumpers, set SCSI ID's appropriately, etc.
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FaaastPrep is horrible software, especially with any drive larger than a few hundred MB. Recommend 3.1 to use HDToolbox, if you're determined to give it a go with 2.1 try HDInstTools:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/hdinst
Faastprep is a little bit more beginner friendly, but apart from that, no argument. It is important to use ONE particular kind of HD setup utility and stick with it.
Faastprep is kind of handy as a learning / sandbox tool, but it's not really applicable in today's Amiga world.
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I had a couple of MO drives back in the day. a 3.5" 650meg job, and a 5.25" 2.6gig...
hot removeable? nope not really. manual mount lists? yup.
OS3+ HD toolbox has a lot to offer for all its faults.
i'd say they were an interesting dalliance that looked good making up a full scsi chain. it's easy enough to get working with a bit of effort.
just check see if you got WORM discs or R/W's. WORMS as archives made sense till you realise the media'll outlast the drives to read it back. :D
got a DDS3 tape drive to read back some 4mm tapes of my full fat amiga setup from back in the day. that tape drives not seen power in over a decade, plus I have no idea if I can find the Diavolo to read the data back. :)
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2.x HDToolbox is no different to 3.1 HDToolbox - they look slightly different but they function the same.
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You need to download a CD filesystem. Browse aminet's disk/cdrom section. Here's one:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240 (http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240)
2.0 will work, but the convention there is the Mountlist as with 1.x. Not good for beginners though, which is why Mike suggested 2.1. Read the docs is my advice. There's other filesystems too so you might want to browse yourself, but the above should be fine. It's been a while since I used cd's on my Amiga.
OMG big thanks, I followed this and worked :banana:
http://www.pjhutchison.org/uae_amicdfs.html
I have installed WB2.1 too, now is it possible to play AudioCD? :p
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I have installed WB2.1 too, now is it possible to play AudioCD? :p
Sure. You'll need to use a mixer or connect the audio output of the CD drive directly to the input on your stereo since A2000 motherboard doesn't have an audio input connector, but it should otherwise be possible. All the software does is tell the drive to "play", the Amiga doesn't do any processing or decoding of the audio, beyond that.
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Sure. You'll need to use a mixer or connect the audio output of the CD drive directly to the input on your stereo since A2000 motherboard doesn't have an audio input connector, but it should otherwise be possible. All the software does is tell the drive to "play", the Amiga doesn't do any processing or decoding of the audio, beyond that.
What software?
Ain't it possible to play through Amiga's audio out?
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MCDPlayer works but used to crash after playing. Any other softwares?
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Ain't it possible to play through Amiga's audio out?
Yes, but not without significant upgrades to your current hardware.
Any other softwares?
I've only ever used the one that comes with 3.9, but you might try some of these:
http://aminet.net/search?query=cd+player
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Ah, PlayCD from IDEfix97 worked fine.
Now I have another question, My Yamaha CRW2100S CD-RW works fine in Amiga but PC with Adaptec 29160N.
It crashes as soon as windows loads, any idea? Old NEW CDROM 4X work well with both :(