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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: darksun9210 on December 27, 2016, 09:07:26 PM
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i know everyone's probably bored of the vampire2 hype, but I don't care. here's mine, curtesy of the hard work and dedication of the Apollo team and especially Kipper2k for being the guy at the pointy end of public relations, email communications, and shipping.
massive thanks to everyone involved for even bringing this piece of hardware into existence.
Our Willing Volunteer. Actually a machine I got free when I bought a couple of 1200's off of fleabay. Its had a bit of a clean to remove the biro that was all over it, and the dust ;) ...
https://weimpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mbzQaic9C7nWgAX36i8qbrK4-km8Y8hUFHiMRtR8S1PzriZGKJlTilubuKHgpilkJzI2v122_z5SknPAkdLGUrzOhX8Nt3uP8OP4Mv2ACAc9a-w_FOxO2mSu50Eb_7fZSALCa48IZwUpJUB8z9nNROz4Hpu86RlnC7JEMmPc2H4w?width=4032&height=3024&cropmode=none
let's pop the lid:-
https://wuiepg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3maKR7ZQ29GdPOoFRu7tv3dlLNBWWk0aIvIX4IpuTjkpIk0e0oaYmYPjPSU2hRuMxyjU8hO3K01KinbR-AuCV9-8l3aQTJwiFE-ZKSTyxLZiU-SGeJFopBDHD_7sXzvXeRobIcao5iQxnhr1exUkodfmgYhHdHXRnRhOv9cKBGb2Y?width=4032&height=3024&cropmode=none
ok so a few things in there that I've added since it was totally stock when it arrived with me originally. lets start stripping it down:-
https://weijpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3m09WDupt5lMr9U7-uEymz9MbbLbfldIsfFCi5f6CMj2bU4kVKEhFQiOx84ySS8suM2BUd3bkzvP0d6tobQs94mAylsIcbl1zmuoRwkwepGut28vyA6yBu28x13YgpwD4ECSEGSALAuB9ZeA8L4LZ4Bia7HdvlmaN3d9XcVkaYx8k?width=3024&height=4032&cropmode=none
vampire sat next to an ACA630 for good measure. sorry Jens. your original bad boy is going back into its box. So. Full mainboard strip and remove from case. felt a little tense with the mounts, but all installed ok I hope :)
https://weikpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mJBQRFTp_WVGcCF-PI4VhN3AweE-OxZmvRm7KniJZpChyRbDGwRHbmvxAJ7oQ7w8OS3N64KCpoyB_3hrkSaFqG8bma4aMCGlXhYDfZTG573QfEGHbvWeD-tq3cwyUf1Svduh8L0KV9gwfv14sPEmW4oBjyLfBGC3cefgBXW9-_7k?width=4032&height=3024&cropmode=none
obligatory money shot.
https://weippg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mqyxBfo8nElixGVDOC4GCtEXEzaIf4MbYVLEiwjs1oTb7-72a0Rs6-gdUsZ0wm4Hmvo36JELlnzubUakcL386p1braLTqDd1zQqCYc2ZUcMoi4TyLSuSNl-UJTuuzpKsMDxv6KZ9mZvad6MEx6LsewGzwQjJpwzj47a3zaEmaUkQ?width=4032&height=3024&cropmode=none
So lets get it together and see what happens
https://weiopg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mNkcQq1vKijDPYzjphpUub4u5oR-6hhd3nu8h0a5GBvyyVtrYWKts4Ww_KfwDirwoZqz_SJQO4sOhIdYUSJ9N1z8tbFETDX4cNv-YpphXkmKHv1XKYuRsEjpIOL0h-lG9uFsCn7elQTNBYYJII2e_Ov795E7R3tT08631MJED85c?width=3024&height=4032&cropmode=none
exciting times! so exciting, I forgot to plug the case lights back in
https://weiqpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mOsZ_Ic0Igz2MNRQroWuNEoaCx2DB6AzrLYSqqixLNYHJZw4mA4aLFBI29xNrCjeV67zcCafuMFqernUHFR9stO_5YVb21HA9706l2xmnSTsPc3rySyLiF31II6hKPgIzIgZKDJTX8FlnTcCzEeM7eQ_uZPSbTGhG6KUxfgOdciw?width=3024&height=4032&cropmode=none
base 3.1 install. my original 3.9 build generated a pink screen so figured i'd start from fresh
https://weinpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mACOvDmxSo48MbhmPK4Ena7SS6Z2PXNbbmyRE_vApmtlF4R40g7SIy1-OiS_CaY5rocAOBrqCQe5leoSFkEGGJPbXrSZr8BZQS9BqACnqQqosD6eo4HZX36piz0NENoFlAPEgtvRmCLL47_whH-fXRvfUv86MLX0dYKtDjlfvcak?width=4032&height=3024&cropmode=none
where I am right now.
base 3.9 install. you can see a shell window copying the 3.9 video files off an 8gig usb stick to the apps: drive, and in the mean time action playing back the phantom menace trailer from the OS3.9 install media. all in lovely 4 colour ECS yumminess...
https://weidpg-bn1305.files.1drv.com/y3mB3Oa3y9CSCCin1ppW9dU_oQeveh8SFp4qoQK4Hmp3sq1FD6yNhBP0JUNMfQ_uG9wKCZXcynljyhJakAY_eBrFBqrFwdfU4GUGURGode5kcbvx5IZgJSj_yw2KQ3e5mGelneafCEt8QbfkpT2tmtFdtR75eLARAAJ1cgStj3l8Xc?width=3024&height=4032&cropmode=none
still to do. network driver stuff, P96 graphics stuff, internal HDMI to external port of some description.
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I'm very happy that A600 owners can upgrade so massively.
It was a very difficult machine to promote, in terms of expandibility, when first introduced.
Bearing mind that 486 bundle deals were available for a similar pricepoint.
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Congrats with your vampire 2, i have one myself and it's a lot fun i must say.
The P96 install is pretty much straight forward just follow the steps as described on the Apollo Wiki.
Only to get some of the screen resolutions going takes some tinkering (640x480 60hz should work out of the box)
You'll have to adjust the pixel clock in the P96 settings to get the most of the resolutions going so they match what your monitors supports.
One quick tip: set resolutions like 320x200, 640x360 etc to inactive by double clicking them in the P96 prefs, most monitors will not support them.
By setting those inactive SAGA will open these on a 640x480 screen automatically if programs are hard coded to use these.
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Thanks for the info! will definitely bear that in mind :)
I've not much experience of P96, as was firmly in the Cybergraphics camp since getting my first CV64/3D at World of Amiga London twenty odd years ago... lol man time flies.
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Congrats! When did u order urs or sign up?
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time scales... wow... ok, just gone through my emails.
I hope the guys have gotten a bit more of a flow going these days! just put in an order for my Vampire 500 V2+.... ;)
anyway...
I originally kicked off with an email to register interest on the 17th of Feb 2016.
I can't remember if I put myself on the waiting list on the website but i'm pretty sure I did as soon as it was available. but that would have been much much later in the year i'm sure.
Kipper then got back to me around the 15th(?) of September 2016 to confirm my order and organise payment.
the email had gone into my "junk" mail folder and it was pure chance I found it within a week or so and replied on the 21st, praying to be within the one week deadline to keep my order place. but my excitement got the better of me and instead of moving it back to my inbox, dropped my phone and inadvertently swiped the wrong way and deleted the email!
grovelling email sent on the 23rd when I found where I could reply to!
payment completed on the 28th,
Kipper updated to say the boards were back and being programmed and tested on the 7th of Nov 2016
Board arrived on the 23rd of Dec 2016
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i know everyone's probably bored of the vampire2 hype.
Not me. I only found out about it a Week ago! :hammer:
The A600 was the ugly sister, the kid machine, the Amiga that you could plug nice hardware into but it just wasn't fast enough to do much useful with them. The Amiga that you felt a partially retarded, over emotional, sensitive type for even owning, let along using.
Suddenly I find out the A600 has become the Amiga Tankgirl. :flame:
Natami begat tribes. One of the tribes is called Vampire. Arriving in your local hood soon, in yer face bro.:laugh1: :pint:
I don't know about the DMI adaptor or what the graphics capabilites are, but even if just ECS, if you stick with just 16 greyscale hires laced, I would imagine it's still pretty impressive what you can achieve with that kind of CPU and fast RAM combo.
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Not me. I only found out about it a Week ago! :hammer:
The A600 was the ugly sister, the kid machine, the Amiga that you could plug nice hardware into but it just wasn't fast enough to do much useful with them. The Amiga that you felt a partially retarded, over emotional, sensitive type for even owning, let along using.
Suddenly I find out the A600 has become the Amiga Tankgirl. :flame:
Natami begat tribes. One of the tribes is called Vampire. Arriving in your local hood soon, in yer face bro.:laugh1: :pint:
I don't know about the DMI adaptor or what the graphics capabilites are, but even if just ECS, if you stick with just 16 greyscale hires laced, I would imagine it's still pretty impressive what you can achieve with that kind of CPU and fast RAM combo.
Well about the RTG, I'm running my WB in 720P high color on the Vampire 2 at the moment and it's VERY responsive.
Currently I'm running OS3.9 BB2 with all the gfx goodies (visual prefs,birdie,MUI 3.8,magic menu with transparency etc etc)
Even when playing an MP3 with Amiga Amp at full quality i do not notice a real slowdown
It even makes the A4K CSPPC (060/60Mhz+233Mhz 604e) feel sluggish ;)
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Well about the RTG, I'm running my WB in 720P high color on the Vampire 2 at the moment and it's VERY responsive.
Currently I'm running OS3.9 BB2 with all the gfx goodies (visual prefs,birdie,MUI 3.8,magic menu with transparency etc etc)
It even makes the A4K CSPPC (060/60Mhz+233Mhz 604e) feel sluggish ;)
Never dreamed that could happen. Not on an A600. Not in a million years.
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Here another teaser for the upcoming Gold 2 core.
Have you ever seen MPEG playback like this on Classic Amiga ?
https://vimeo.com/194335129
Above video is A500+vampire v2 black edition with x13 (multiplier setting)
On my A4K CSPPC+CVPPC I've tested the same fragment with AMP2 (PPC MPEG player)
And i got 13,8 FPS with medium sound options (22Khz)
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Well... TBH, not exactly.
I did see a demo of the CD32 MPG card, and that "perfect" playback but...
1) It did not have the colour definition, or HD range, or the pixel fideliy of the clip, using the AA chipsept like all CD32s.
2) The resolution was not as good. I'd estimate one quarter to a ninth of res of the video you posted.
3) The sound was stereo 16 bit audio, but I think the dev kind of faked that by having a separate audio track on the CD, rather than making any attempt to compress it or decompress. In my opinion, anyway, it could have been genuine encoded audio, but I noticed how the drive kept accessing, and the CD usage seemed excessive, for the length of that clip.
Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen, as I remember. 576 lines at most, probably half of that. Low Horizontal resolution. Seemed HAM8 mode.
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Here another teaser for the upcoming Gold 2 core.
Have you ever seen MPEG playback like this on Classic Amiga ?
https://vimeo.com/194335129
Above video is A500+vampire v2 black edition with x13 (multiplier setting)
On my A4K CSPPC+CVPPC I've tested the same fragment with AMP2 (PPC MPEG player)
And i got 13,8 FPS with medium sound options (22Khz)
It looks amazing indeed.
Can't really remember my results with blizzard ppc/voodoo 3 at vcd playback, but kinda look the same.
I can't even remember if it had fps option.
I will do some tests probably when I change CIA on my A1200T :-/
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Am I the only one who's really puzzled by all this effort and excitement, of being able to play a low-res clip encoded in a long obsolete format?
When was the last time any of you saw MPEG1 encoded video, anywhere?
For me, it was the very early 2000s.
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Yes, now we are only 15 years behind!
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Am I the only one who's really puzzled by all this effort and excitement
No, you are not alone.
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Am I the only one who's really puzzled by all this effort and excitement, of being able to play a low-res clip encoded in a long obsolete format?
Nop.
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Am I the only one who's really puzzled by all this effort and excitement, of being able to play a low-res clip encoded in a long obsolete format?
When was the last time any of you saw MPEG1 encoded video, anywhere?
For me, it was the very early 2000s.
Its one of the ways of evaluating progress in the core development. As the core gets more features, speed and software is tweaked to utilize the core spesifically, its nice for users to see those developments thru other means than benchmarks like Sysinfo.
Nothing really puzzling with that.
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Am I the only one who's really puzzled by all this effort and excitement, of being able to play a low-res clip encoded in a long obsolete format?
Maybe if you had actually tried doing that on a stock Amiga, you might be be a little impressed. Especially an A600. :laugh1:
Pretty sure what I saw 20 years ago was MPG-1, not MPG-2. Big difference in screen resoluition.
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Its one of the ways of evaluating progress in the core development. As the core gets more features, speed and software is tweaked to utilize the core spesifically, its nice for users to see those developments thru other means than benchmarks like Sysinfo.
I agree, but from all I've read, this video playback effort is specifically targeting (A)MMX instructions, which I dont consider as advancements in the core, as nothing uses them (well, except the updated Riva player).
Don't get me wrong, I'll be getting an A1200 Vampire the second they come out, but I'm absolutely positive I will not start watching low-res MPEG1 videos on my A1200 any time soon :)
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Maybe if you had actually tried doing that on a stock Amiga, you might be be a little impressed.
Not really: More speed -> more real time codec options. I'd be equally unimpressed by a 1Ghz 68060 decoding a video.
I'm not saying anything about the Vampire board itself, rather that it's no surprise that a card designed to be fast can handle some old codecs very well.
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Maybe if you had actually tried doing that on a stock Amiga, you might be be a little impressed. Especially an A600. :laugh1:
Pretty sure what I saw 20 years ago was MPG-1, not MPG-2. Big difference in screen resoluition.
I don't find it impressive as I've seen it done in the 90's with a Peggy+ card, on an A4000.
Even then, it was the end of useful life for MPEG1, as MPEG2 started taking over when the DVD format was released in 1997.
As for me, I've been watching MPEG2 encoded 720P and 1080i video since around 2001, then moved to MPEG4/AVC a few years later, around the time HD-DVD and Blu-ray came out.
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RiVA is just an example code for today's standards. I think the AMMX extension to the instruction set is better used for datatypes and drivers dealing with repetitive tasks like audio mixing.
Once I get my hands on another Vampire board I will look forward to either replacing AHI or getting a new driver written for the digital audio output on the Gold3 core.
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In 2001 for sure. At the time I used my A3000 as a my daily work station in the office, and next to it I had a Linux PC with VMWare that I used to create images for deploying Windows setups. I watched the terrorist attacks on Manhattan live on that Linux PC with VLC, in full screen, MPEG streaming over multicast, RTP/RTSP. And yeah, the A3000 had a Peggy plus as well :)
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Have a good time with your new Vampire2. I never get boring playing this one.
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Nice. I always sorta fancied an A600 for the small footprint, but it seemed daft to bother vs. a stock A1200. Do you still have to switch monitors/inputs for RTG modes?
I saw a vid on YouTube they had unveiling the A500 version where they were talking about building ASICs later with a couple gigahertz clockspeeds. Somehow I find that way more exciting than the PPC stuff.
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they were talking about building ASICs later with a couple gigahertz clockspeeds.
Sure.... :laughing:
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Sure.... :laughing:
I wasn't performing a feasibility study, just commenting on what I found interesting. Stuff your "LOL".
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Before the ASIC comes out there will likely be another generation of FPGA boards.
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so... uh... part 2 has turned up *cough* :D
https://1drv.ms/i/s!ArUfT_xm4N1vgu1y_dmjHWLniZ0QGw
https://1drv.ms/i/s!ArUfT_xm4N1vgu1x5NnBwsPH3OYaXg
ok, so it's a bit late, and I've not really gotten stuck into it yet. also still wondering how i'm going to get any "big data" into it. the A600 has USB and therefore USB flash drives that I can fill up with whatever. I do have a rapid road USB thing i'm not using on the A4k, but word on the street is it's quite sensitive to getting it right when being plugged in. also. The cat's chewed off the fly lead off the clockport adapter labled "int6". And I don't know either what pin on the CPU this goes to, or what pin on Gary the other end would plug in to... i'm guessing "int6"?
oh, and the little board on top of the vampire is a 32gig "DOM" or Disk On Module. I bought a few thinking I could convert some HP thin clients into full windows media centre machines. well I could, but the disk access speed was awful. so ditched them till now. they fit the wrong way round to work in an A1200 or A600 , but sit pretty on the Vamp500. it's basicly a lump of flash on a 44pin IDE controller. and VERY fast for an A500! :)