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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: SACC-guy on July 23, 2016, 10:57:36 PM
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Why I want a A-Eon AmigaOne X5000!
I have had an Amiga since Jan 1986. In fact I still have my A1000 with all kinds of add-ons.
I moved up to a A2000, because work wanted me to have a "pc" or in my case a BridgeBoard.
Thru the years I've owned each model, but the A4000 and the Newtek Toaster, then Flyer became the combo that was my "Amiga"!
Well, one day a power surge "killed my Amiga" and I spent a year getting it repaired and replaced. I couldn't find any NEW Amigas (of course) or some of the parts, so I settled for used. (sigh)
About this time the Sacramento Amiga Computer Club (SACC) wanted to sell it's demo model AmigOne-G3. I bought it to help the club. So I started late into Next Gen Amigas.The hardware had issues and I was fustrated, but I got it to work. But again used hardware.
Meanwhile, AmigaDave came to AmiWest and showed MorphOS running on a Mac. I tried again. But I had to buy a USED mac. Then I had to find a used video card that MorphOS used. Then the power supplied died. And again I had to repair and find used parts.
Then all my old hardware needed re-capping...
I gave up for a while...
But NOW, A-eon has want I want!!!
A NEW Amiga, New hardware. NEW!
The AmigaOne X5000.
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To much cash for me. I lover MorphOS though and if it runs as well as I hear it will it's tempting!
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@SACC-guy
i suspect there will be plenty of X5000s to play with this year at amiwest. i'm planning on bringing mine, for example. just got a new pelican 1690 to transport it in. depending on hyperion i might just bring my A1222 as well. ;)
-- eliyahu
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In the same boat and similar thinking...
Any word on the pricing for the A1222?
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The AmigaOne X5000 sounds like its going to be an awesome system.
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In the same boat and similar thinking...
Any word on the pricing for the A1222?
No word so far. Maybe we'll find out when Amiwest is on.
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Instead of spending thousands of dollars on motherboards, I think it would be more reasonable to pay software developers to make any useful software that can actually be used under AmigaOS4.1.
I can run today AmigaOS4.1 (thank you Amiga Forever) on my PC and it is really, really FAST (faster then X5000) for fraction of money. Only one problem is there is not productivity software for it, like Web Browser (to start from), I can't sync my calendar etc. etc. use Skype etc. etc.
Hardware can be developed later, since any PC will do run AmigaOS4.1 at this point VERY well. Sure, there is difference to run it on its own hardware... (but it is purely "mental" difference).
Similar story with AmigaOS, it looks great (comparing old versions), but beside this "who cares" about it?
If there is Amiga COMMUNITY that would be possible: to pay someone to develop this software.
For Cannon Fodder I or Crazy Cars my A1200 will do fine. If someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on X5000, your money. I, personally would spend them differently :).
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@kreciu
I can run today AmigaOS4.1 (thank you Amiga Forever) on my PC and it is really, really FAST (faster then X5000)
I have to respectively disagree here. I have used AmigaOS 4.1 on WinUAE running on a brand new top spec AMD laptop and it is substantially slower and more limited than my AmigaOne X5000. OS4.1 on WinUAE/Amiga Forever does not have any compositing support, limited memory, access to high spec 3D hardware such as RadeonHD, it is not compatible with Warp3D Nova.
In essence, OS4.1 under emulation only serves as a basic demo of 4.1 and not a true reflection of how it operates natively on high spec hardware such as the X5000. The problem with using OS4.1 in Amiga Forever/WinUAE is that it certainly does not give users the true experience of running the operating system as it was intended.
As regards software development, the AmigaDeveloper.com Team have been working on new software for the last year and already made the Enhancer Software release with a lot more updates to come.
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II can run today AmigaOS4.1 (thank you Amiga Forever) on my PC and it is really, really FAST (faster then X5000)
no. it's not faster. not even remotely close.
-- eliyahu
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no. it's not faster. not even remotely close.
-- eliyahu
OK. Fine, it is slower (I don't care). It doesn't make much of a difference, since there is nothing to run on it. I got it, looked at it and looks great.
Who cares this X5000 will be 1000x faster then emulation: "ZERO software x 1000 = ZERO".
There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point. Now, how on earth to convince anybody to invest in this OS?
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@kreciu
there's loads of software available for it. i mention some of the tools i use regularly over in this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=793313#post793313). and there are people investing in the operating system, hardware development, and application software. perhaps you might be able to make it out to amiwest this year? we can walk you through all sorts of things you might not be aware of.
but anyway -- this is getting off-topic. :)
-- eliyahu
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OK. Fine, it is slower (I don't care). It doesn't make much of a difference, since there is nothing to run on it. I got it, looked at it and looks great.
Who cares this X5000 will be 1000x faster then emulation: "ZERO software x 1000 = ZERO".
There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point. Now, how on earth to convince anybody to invest in this OS?
So you've made up our minds for us, eh?
Hey, I don't even care about the OS4.1 part, and I still want one.
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Why I want a A-Eon AmigaOne X5000!
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But NOW, A-eon has want I want!!!
A NEW Amiga, New hardware. NEW!
The AmigaOne X5000.
Totally agree man! I am going to buy an x5000 this year too! It's a bit of a push, but it's a push for all the right reasons for me! Can't wait. Amiga forever!
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So you've made up our minds for us, eh?
Hey, I don't even care about the OS4.1 part, and I still want one.
I just don't see how purchase of X5000 type of computers will make AmigaOS have more software and people interested in this system/software. Especially when fully legal emulation of AmigaOS4.1 is possible on hundreds of millions of computers world wide.
I hope AmigaOS4.1 was sold in millions of copies...so people can run AmigaOS under emulation. I look at this problem from more "practical perspective", for a hobby my 20+ years old A1200 is fun and quite unique...
"Our minds" I say to YOU: ENJOY your X5000, really.
BTW. I would, possibly, maybe, kind of, sort of, remotely purchase "Sam440" type of motherboard for about $400. I could do it... kind of. You can believe or not I actually got brand new ITX case when Sam440 was "available" with intention to build "new Amiga". Now, I'm putting my NAS storage there... Raw speed of X5000 will not make it more fun computer, SOFTWARE and operating system will, and pushing $2500 hardware is in my opinion mistake. It will not create any large user environment.
OK. If this is off topic. I'm done, bye.
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So you've made up our minds for us, eh?
Hey, I don't even care about the OS4.1 part, and I still want one.
heh. i hear ya. my dream is someone coming to amiwest that has a beta build of MOS for the X5K. i really, really want to give it a spin on my system.
BTW. I would, possibly, maybe, kind of, sort of, remotely purchase "Sam440" type of motherboard for about $400. I could do it...
i think there are a bunch of people who feel the same way. i really hope hyperion and A-EON can get the A1222 out to market sooner rather than later; that's the sort of thing will help fill that gap. anyway -- these things aren't for everyone. the awesome thing about amiga is so much choice out there. if the X5000 and AOS4 doesn't float your boat, there's always AOS3 and 68K HW, emulation, AROS, etc....
-- eliyahu
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OK. Fine, it is slower (I don't care). It doesn't make much of a difference, since there is nothing to run on it. I got it, looked at it and looks great.
Who cares this X5000 will be 1000x faster then emulation: "ZERO software x 1000 = ZERO".
There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point. Now, how on earth to convince anybody to invest in this OS?
@kreciu
Let me splain it to you...
Sometimes the hardware comes first, then the "killer app"
(in my case, I had a 4000 long before the toaster and flyer was released)
Apple hardware had been made and sold before great apps, for the apple II visicalc and for the mac desktop publishing.
Given these historical truths, can you at least admit....your way of thinking needs... re-thinking?
BTW, it's true for pc's too...lotus and dbase and browsers (hell, microsoft missed the internet)all came later then the hardware!!!
One possibility, sell enough machines... developers might be tempted to take a chance on the hardware?
My list...
A1000 (since Jan86) A2000/A2500, A3000D, A3000T, A4000D, A4000T, A1200, A500
A1-G3, A1-G4, Micro A1,
Mac-G4 MMD, Power Macbook-G4, Mac Mini G4
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There is millions of computers that can run AmigaOS4.1 at this point.
Sssshhh. TMHG will have kittens if he hears that.
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I have to respectively disagree here. I have used AmigaOS 4.1 on WinUAE running on a brand new top spec AMD laptop and it is substantially slower and more limited than my AmigaOne X5000. OS4.1 on WinUAE/Amiga Forever does not have any compositing support, limited memory, access to high spec 3D hardware such as RadeonHD, it is not compatible with Warp3D Nova.
Compositing and 3d support is something that could be solved with more work.
Winuae should easily compete with the old phase 5 ppc cards, but it will be a while before it could compete with a dual core 2ghz ppc.
You essentially pay a premium if you want it now.
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@kreciu
I have to respectively disagree here. I have used AmigaOS 4.1 on WinUAE running on a brand new top spec AMD laptop and it is substantially slower and more limited than my AmigaOne X5000. OS4.1 on WinUAE/Amiga Forever does not have any compositing support, limited memory, access to high spec 3D hardware such as RadeonHD, it is not compatible with Warp3D Nova.
This is all true, but support of mentioned technologies will not make OWB more compatible with any website or self write "excel, word etc. type of software), since this has nothing to do with lack of support of UAE emulation of AmigaOS. IT COULD run it IF(when) UAE will support it.
In essence, OS4.1 under emulation only serves as a basic demo of 4.1 and not a true reflection of how it operates natively on high spec hardware such as the X5000. The problem with using OS4.1 in Amiga Forever/WinUAE is that it certainly does not give users the true experience of running the operating system as it was intended.
I got it, installed it... and after about 1 hour I noticed that I don't need to spend hours to make it look beautiful (it is already there). I tried to go to internet... ups...
As regards software development, the AmigaDeveloper.com Team have been working on new software for the last year and already made the Enhancer Software release with a lot more updates to come.
... and THIS IS way to do it. BTW. I was SOOOOOO happy to go to Amiga Store and PURCHASE Amiga software from them (just to benchmark my emulated Amiga), unfortunately after that... I went back to my 030/50Mhz, simply more fun.
I know, we all run in a circle... or trying to catch our tail or chicken or egg...I say we have hardware, sure it is crippled in many ways but it can run software, if available.
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@psxphill
It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap. However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4. The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS. It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.
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heh. i hear ya. my dream is someone coming to amiwest that has a beta build of MOS for the X5K. i really, really want to give it a spin on my system.
i think there are a bunch of people who feel the same way. i really hope hyperion and A-EON can get the A1222 out to market sooner rather than later; that's the sort of thing will help fill that gap.
I've never seen it stated -- is the A1222 likely to cost less than a SAM 440? I was assuming not. (And my assumption is that is faster than the 460, but I've never gotten an answer asking in these forums if that is the case.)
bp
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@ SACC-guy
I DON'T WANT AN X5000
because.....
I Love my X1000 :):biglaugh::knuddel::pint:
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One AmigaOne X5000/040 for me please!! :hat:
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I've never seen it stated -- is the A1222 likely to cost less than a SAM 440? I was assuming not. (And my assumption is that is faster than the 460, but I've never gotten an answer asking in these forums if that is the case.)
bp
I've never heard a price, only Trevor pointing at a mysterious black box* and saying "that's how you get the price down".
The P1022 uses E500 cores which are capable of 2.4 MIPS/Mhz whereas the 460EX is capable of 2.0 MIPS/Mhz but the P1022 uses a non standard FPU which is likely to involve a speed penalty on software that uses the FPU. It may lose the edge to the 460 here but I'd prefer to wait and see OS4 running on it before making any conclusions about it. P1022 is also dual core which will be useful whenever OS4.x gains multicore support.
*the box, a custom ITX case, had a Tabor (A1222) motherboard inside it.
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I've never heard a price, only Trevor pointing at a mysterious black box* and saying "that's how you get the price down".
The P1022 uses E500 cores which are capable of 2.4 MIPS/Mhz whereas the 460EX is capable of 2.0 MIPS/Mhz but the P1022 uses a non standard FPU which is likely to involve a speed penalty on software that uses the FPU. It may lose the edge to the 460 here but I'd prefer to wait and see OS4 running on it before making any conclusions about it. P1022 is also dual core which will be useful whenever OS4.x gains multicore support.
*the box, a custom ITX case, had a Tabor (A1222) motherboard inside it.
Thanks. Is there any indication of a timeframe to market on the A1222?
bp
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Two more weeks.
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@ SACC-guy
I DON'T WANT AN X5000
because.....
I Love my X1000 :):biglaugh::knuddel::pint:
I missed the Eyetech boat.
I missed the Sam boat, none to buy anywhere.
I really MISSED the X1000...all gone (sad sigh)
I don't know why I keep missing those boats.
But I will NOT miss the X5000!
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One AmigaOne X5000/040 for me please!! :hat:
way to go Marko:hammer::pint: I remember that we bought our Sam flex at 800's the same time back in 2009:)
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I missed the Eyetech boat.
I missed the Sam boat, none to buy anywhere.
I really MISSED the X1000...all gone (sad sigh)
I don't know why I keep missing those boats.
But I will NOT miss the X5000!
better than late than never so I'll give ou an early congrats my fellow amigan
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Good idea if you want x5000 dont wait buy it when it comes out.
I will say I weep with all the man hours spent on writing alien drivers for overpriced exotic hardware with almost no software whatso ever. I have a peg2 but use some classic amiga software on os4. There has been so much development time wasted on porting to new hw imho.
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way to go Marko:hammer::pint: I remember that we bought our Sam flex at 800's the same time back in 2009:)
Haha, I remember that too :D Those were the days :hat::pint:
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Why I want a A-Eon AmigaOne X5000!
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You forgot to sign your essay. Also there's spelling and grammatical mistakes, D -
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Heh, by the time its available ram and graphics cards will have to be sourced either 2nd hand or as NOS, so the whole buying new as an advantage needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
AMD have already moved on from S.I, and ddr3-1333 is somewhat archaic.
Not that this will detract from the user experience. My 5 year old 4ghz quad core AROS box is still great fun, despite being 2nd hand and massively outdated. If the x5000 can reach even %25 of that systems performance then its almost at that bare minimum for modern computing type level.
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@psxphill
It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap. However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4. The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS. It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.
Since when has OpenGLES 2.0 been released/available for OS4? Oh, that's right.....it hasn't been made available. I understand that AmigaKit is in the business of making money from Amiga users, but for those who have been away from the Amiga scene for a while who are maybe looking to get back into Amiga ownership, AmigaKit's statement is misleading at best. It's all smoke, mirrors, and cheap talk until something is really released, if it's released.
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It maybe fair comment that software technologies have not progressed as fast for a few years on OS4 and therefore emulation has closed the gap. However, this is now changing with Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0 being available on OS4. The power of the X5000, X1000 and a RadeonHD R7 or R9 card will really be put to good use with the advent of modern Shader 3D technology on AmigaOS. It will be a long time before WinUAE gets near that level, if it ever will.
Predicting WinUAE development is not my area of expertise, I was surprised it took so long for them to emulate PPC. When people are doing things for free then you can't really tell.
Emulating a radeon is likely to be harder than emulating a PPC, but the supported radeons are nearly 3 years old now. It will just take someone caring enough to put the work in.
It may be exciting hardware for amiga users, but it's trailing edge compared to other markets at the same price point.
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Since when has OpenGLES 2.0 been released/available for OS4? Oh, that's right.....it hasn't been made available. I understand that AmigaKit is in the business of making money from Amiga users, but for those who have been away from the Amiga scene for a while who are maybe looking to get back into Amiga ownership, AmigaKit's statement is misleading at best. It's all smoke, mirrors, and cheap talk until something is really released, if it's released.
... and people will play... Quake?
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@ferrellsl
I am not sure if you have been following the recent developments.
I am pleased to confirm that the OpenGL ES 2.0 library is in my Libs drawer right now, latest update with Stencil buffering added this week. A collection of prominent 3D Amiga developers have been using the library for the last few months with Daniel Muessener producing three releases during the last 6 weeks (latest v1.2).
(http://www.amigadeveloper.com/images/warp3d_nova_opengles2.png)
... and people will play... Quake?
Quake is a fixed-pipeline old game from the OpenGL 1 era. The new Warp3D Nova adds Shader support to AmigaOS for the very first time so is aimed at far more recent ports.
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@ferrellsl
I am not sure if you have been following the recent developments.
I am pleased to confirm that the OpenGL ES 2.0 library is in my Libs drawer right now, latest update with Stencil buffering added this week. A collection of prominent 3D Amiga developers have been using the library for the last few months with Daniel Muessener producing three releases during the last 6 weeks (latest v1.2).
(http://www.amigadeveloper.com/images/warp3d_nova_opengles2.png)
Quake is a fixed-pipeline old game from the OpenGL 1 era. The new Warp3D Nova adds Shader support to AmigaOS for the very first time so is aimed at far more recent ports.
My apologies. I stand corrected. But I do have a question or two. Is OpenGLES 2.0 for OS4 a "FULL" implementation of OpenGLES 2.0 or just a subset? If it's a subset of OpenGLES 2.0, then it's still a bit misleading to say that OS4 now has OpenGLES 2.0 support. And if it's a subset, where can I find a list of what is currently implemented and what is still a work in progress?
I'm sorry if my comments might sound a bit critical but I've been burned more than once over the years when it comes to OS4 and OS4 hardware support.
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Yes, the new ogles2.library is intended as Warp3D Nova wrapper for all the OpenGL ES 2.0 commands so OpenGL ES 2.0 ports can be more easily ported across.
As you can imagine the Warp3D Nova project is mammoth undertaking, and it has been a year so far in the making. The pre-release version (1.15) was made available to the public/developers back in May to start the ball rolling with third-party developments. The idea was to incremently add more advanced features through free updates such as Stencil buffering and Mip Mapping. Stencil buffering has now been recently added and Mip mapping is almost there (a week or less) so the bulk of the work is now done.
Going forward over the next few months, there are a few last things to do such as enhancing the Shader compiler and refine it further, render-to-texture/bitmap as texture and finally smart register allocation. The ongoing development process will not prevent third party developers use it for their projects, in fact there are some in process now (I will not steal their thunder by pre-announcing them).
I'm sorry if my comments might sound a bit critical but I've been burned more than once over the years when it comes to OS4 and OS4 hardware support.
I can understand the scepticism, but that is one reason we wanted to get the pre-release out there and build upon that foundation with regular free updates rather than hide it away for months (years) without being practically used by developers and users. We wanted to show that Shaders on AmigaOS are real and can be used now.
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Yes, the new ogles2.library is intended as Warp3D Nova wrapper for all the OpenGL ES 2.0 commands so OpenGL ES 2.0 ports can be more easily ported across.
As you can imagine the Warp3D Nova project is mammoth undertaking, and it has been a year so far in the making. The pre-release version (1.15) was made available to the public/developers back in May to start the ball rolling with third-party developments. The idea was to incremently add more advanced features through free updates such as Stencil buffering and Mip Mapping. Stencil buffering has now been recently added and Mip mapping is almost there (a week or less) so the bulk of the work is now done.
Going forward over the next few months, there are a few last things to do such as enhancing the Shader compiler and refine it further, render-to-texture/bitmap as texture and finally smart register allocation. The ongoing development process will not prevent third party developers use it for their projects, in fact there are some in process now (I will not steal their thunder by pre-announcing them).
I can understand the scepticism, but that is one reason we wanted to get the pre-release out there and build upon that foundation with regular free updates rather than hide it away for months (years) without being practically used by developers and users. We wanted to show that Shaders on AmigaOS are real and can be used now.
Thank you very much for the thorough response. I look forward to seeing some of the upcoming "surprises" tied to Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0. It will be nice to see graphics on OS4 that aren't stuck in the 1990's.
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You forgot to sign your essay. Also there's spelling and grammatical mistakes, D -
@agami
No worries mate!
I think I got my point across!
for yur pleasure...my sig
A1000 (since Jan86) w/Comspec 2meg and CLtd scsi sidecars/ Live 1000 /midi with Miracle Keyboard
A2500 A2630 4meg and DKB A2632 with 112megs,A2091,A2065
A3000D A3640,Toaster Cozzy,
A3000T Mercury PPS 040 w32megs
A4000D 060 with 128megs, Toaster, Flyer, DPS TBC4
A4000T, QuikPak w/Quikpak 060 card with 128megs edo ram
A1200, DKB Cobra with 128megs, DBK Ferret scsi
A500, ICD AdIDE and ICD AdRam 540
A1-G3, A1-G4, Micro A1(dead, trying to fix)
Mac-G4 MMD, Power Macbook-G4, Mac Mini G4
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Heh, by the time its available ram and graphics cards will have to be sourced either 2nd hand or as NOS, so the whole buying new as an advantage needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
AMD have already moved on from S.I, and ddr3-1333 is somewhat archaic.
Not that this will detract from the user experience. My 5 year old 4ghz quad core AROS box is still great fun, despite being 2nd hand and massively outdated. If the x5000 can reach even %25 of that systems performance then its almost at that bare minimum for modern computing type level.
@fishy_fiz
No worries!
I just order a complete and tested system from AmigaKit!!!
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I think the new hardware is great but for me its way to expensive if they ever get os4 on cheap x86 pc hardware then i will be able to join in the fun.I used to own an eyetech amigaone g3se at 800mhz but sold it as never used it much .
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@ferrellsl
Thank you very much for the thorough response. I look forward to seeing some of the upcoming "surprises" tied to Warp3D Nova and OpenGLES 2.0. It will be nice to see graphics on OS4 that aren't stuck in the 1990's.
Well it was faster than expected, Mip Mapping has now been today added to Warp3D Nova v1.28 :)
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I don't think it's top secret I copy a link I've seen in a another forum about OGL ES and Nova.
Kamelito
https://youtu.be/mSvJy5cokgI
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Greetings,
This is my first post here. Recently for my 50th birthday I indulged myself in getting my hands on a loaded Classic Amiga 2000 after 25 years to get back to doing a bit of C coding as from what I can tell the core OS has not changed too much and figured since OS4 hardware has not been available its a good place to start.
I have been professionally in development for over 30 years and am now an executive overseeing a large international development team. Programming for me now is a outside of work hobby and I look forward to bringing some software to the Amiga OS 4.X Platform. I anxiously await to getting my hands on X5000 as I hope to be able to get LLVM up and running on OS4 possibly port Clang as I have fun little programming language that I can bring to environment.
Compared to all the modern OS systems I deal with day to day. The Amiga is just plan fun!
So for my first post on Amiga.org I have registered my interest with AEON and I say bring on the X5000!
Doug
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@Doug
Welcome, I hope you really can bring some cool software to OS 4.x.
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@ DStastny
welcome back !:hammer::pint:
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Why I want an A-Eon X5000, by agami
There are geeks and nerds, there are pop-culture aficionados, tech lovers, history buffs, and creatives. There are many people in many walks of life that go beyond just using a computer as a modern day tool to navigate the digital economy, entertainment, and communications.
The not so distant past is no less replete with these types and I count myself amongst them, both presently and historically. In many ways by being a computer user in the '80s one needed to be more than a tool user, and thus our personalities got shaped by how we contrive the computer into a tool, more than simply applying the tool. We, of the nascent personal computer era, for the most part today are just another tool user, but inside us sleeps, restlessly at times, a tool shaper. We are always on the lookout for that next thing that will proverbially speak to us on that fond level. But that is not why I want an A-Eon X5000.
In the '80s no product imprinted upon my psyche more so than the Amiga 500. It was more than an upgrade path for Commodore 64 users. Sure, it was packaged as a computer inside a keyboard, and I could use the same TV set. It had awesome looking games and we got remakes of our C64 favourites. Before I got my own, a friend had got one. I remember it as if it were yesterday: Up until that point using the C64 was fun; A nice little hobby, or a waste of time as my parents would phrase it. But what I saw that day represented the future. I was certain of it. I felt it with every cell in my body. I have to be part of the future. I have to get me one of these.
The marvellous years of Amiga use went on. More models, more applications, more games. In Europe and later when I moved back to Australia there was a healthy commercial market and engaged communities. Despite many of Commodore's missteps that I'd read about in the magazines, like may others I was enjoying my Amiga's every day. I could exercise any level of my creativity and I could cut down tasks in half with many awesome productive applications. It's handling of multiple types of media were unmatched at that price point, even when you take into account the add-ons most ended up buying. I would blow people away with presentations I'd prepared with Scala MM. I would create awesome brochures and pamphlets that I could get professionally printed by many agencies. I made home videos for family members with titles and mixed audio that they are still enjoying today. And then there were the games. Shooters, platformers, adventures, puzzles, strategy, racing, and sims. So many awesome titles, many of which continue to be an inspiration for games today. But this too is not why I want an A-Eon X5000.
No, the reasons for my want are all in my brain. Like Tervor, I too still want my A5000; When this thing was talked about in 1993/94 it was yet another glimpse into the future. Sure, most of it was speculation but the AAA chipset features where known and one could extrapolate from there. Alas it, and a succession of promising Amiga computers never materialised. Call me nostalgic if you will, you won't be far off the mark, but the real reason has more to do with addiction than the lament of a "love lost". I want the serotonin but also want the dopamine hit. And I know getting an X5000 will deliver that hit. Then again, many other pieces of tech will.
In truth, it would've been more accurate if I titled my essay "Why I want, but will not be getting an X5000". The dopamine hit would soon be followed by too much buyer's remorse. Perhaps one day in the not too distant future when one or more of my ventures makes me the kind of money Trevor has, after I get a Tesla and a yacht, then I could see this specific "itch" being scratched.
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A 2000 is a great place to get started! Had a 500 for maybe 6 months and swapped it for a 2000 with a megachip and 030/040 combo card, added graphics card. Nice but, nothing beats an 060.
Welcome to the jungle ;-)
Chris
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@Doug
Welcome!
About bringing LLVM/CLANG and applications to OS 4.x that would be awesome. There is an attempt at Github for a 68k backend and I think that the Aros team are also building it with this tools.
Kamelito
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Greetings,
This is my first post here. Recently for my 50th birthday I indulged myself in getting my hands on a loaded Classic Amiga 2000 after 25 years to get back to doing a bit of C coding as from what I can tell the core OS has not changed too much and figured since OS4 hardware has not been available its a good place to start.
I have been professionally in development for over 30 years and am now an executive overseeing a large international development team. Programming for me now is a outside of work hobby and I look forward to bringing some software to the Amiga OS 4.X Platform. I anxiously await to getting my hands on X5000 as I hope to be able to get LLVM up and running on OS4 possibly port Clang as I have fun little programming language that I can bring to environment.
Compared to all the modern OS systems I deal with day to day. The Amiga is just plan fun!
So for my first post on Amiga.org I have registered my interest with AEON and I say bring on the X5000!
Doug
Welcome Doug,
I'm sure you will enjoy the Amiga-verse (classic and NG)
As you didn't show your location, I will just invite you to SACC, Sacramento Amiga Computer Club and AmiWest2016 in Sacramento,CA USA. (see sacc.org)
You can visit and explore the Amiverse including a Programmers Dev-com.
Again Welcome!
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@agami
So why did you mis-lead us in your post?
Maybe you should make your own thread?
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Welcome DStastny!
I hope you look into the possibility of making your programs both AOS 3 and 4 compatible, as the classic line is getting a modern revival with the Vampire accelerator/FPGA.
Even tho I dont have a NG machine/AOS4.x Im happy to hear a expirienced developer like you give the Amiga NG machines your attention!
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Thanks all for welcome.
Look forward to getting hands on powerpc hardware. The Vampire project looks interesting too and could breath some life into 68k hardware. Not to be disrespectful to team working on it but a one man manufacturing and distribution channel they have set up needs to be greatly improved as it just seems random as to when or who can get one. Although OS 4 hardware is not available either so I guess Vampire is ahead for moment :)
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@agami
So why did you mis-lead us in your post?
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I don't think I was misleading. Like yourself and I'm sure many others, I too want an X5000. And I did cover the reasons I want one. And I'm sure I'm not the only person who wants one but will not be getting one.
Either way I hope I provided some interesting reading.
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There's many enhancements to the quake1 engine these days.
The Dark Skies engine being a good example. Although this was ported to OS4 already, the current os4 build looks horrible compard to the AROS version(and other systems with pixel shaders and proper ht&l).
Additionally mipmapping existed in hardware 15+ years ago. Its far from a modern feature.
Point to this..... nothing really. Just pointing out some errors in previous posts.
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@fishy_fiz
DarkPlaces OS4 was written for the old Warp3D and not the new Warp3D Nova. It would be interesting to see what it looks like under Nova ;)
Mipmapping has been added to Warp3D Nova's new Shader based 3D graphics which did not exist 15 years ago of course.
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Additionally mipmapping existed in hardware 15+ years ago. Its far from a modern feature.
It might not be something new and not already available in Warp3D but it's still a significant enough feature to mention since objects close to the camera position could look crude without it.
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Additionally mipmapping existed in hardware 15+ years ago. Its far from a modern feature.
Point to this..... nothing really. Just pointing out some errors in previous posts.
Amigakit didn't present mipmapping as some "modern feature." Yes, mipmapping is old, but it's also a fundamental "must have" feature (like stencil buffering). So adding it is another step toward a fully featured system. That's worth a mention.
Hans
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@amigakit.
Yes, Im aware existing Dark Places for OS4 uses old w3d. This is why I said "current build" (talk about futility though,... porting software whos entire reason foe existing is graphical effects on a system that supports none of the enhancements).
Its a good candidate for an update though. Really looks quite nice with all the eye candy enabled.
Was reading some old pc magazines yesterday. Amazing how quickly time flies. Hard to believe first fully programmable pixel shaders appeard in hardware 15 years ago (gf3). Hardware t&l is approaching 20 years.
This w3d overhaul is well overdue. I can only hope MOS follows suite. While reasonable speed wise for an altenative os on obsolete hardware the 3d system there is quite archaic.
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In regards to emulation speed, the truth lay somewhere in between what people have suggested so far.
On a high-end, new pc interger performance of emulated system probably eclipses any available "amiga" hadware. FPU performance however is more in line with old phase5 ppc cards.
UAEGFX now also works with os4/ppc, and apparently also supports compositioning. Voodoo3 support is also coming (old h/w, yes, but mentioned for sake of thoroughness).
Given time winuae will surpass any real hardware in pretty much any measurement, exactly as it did when amiga was 68k. Its already a viable option.
And contrary to how it may sound Im not particularly endorsing it to anyone. Nor am I denouncing it. Im simply stating how things are.
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@amigakit.
Yes, Im aware existing Dark Places for OS4 uses old w3d. This is why I said "current build" (talk about futility though,... porting software whos entire reason foe existing is graphical effects on a system that supports none of the enhancements).
It still manages to look different, better lighting etc than the standard Quake.
This w3d overhaul is well overdue. I can only hope MOS follows suite. While reasonable speed wise for an altenative os on obsolete hardware the 3d system there is quite archaic.
Warp3D is not being overhauled. Warp3D Nova is an entirely new API written from the ground up.