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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Cosmos Amiga on July 05, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
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040/060 adapter for Amiga Classic
Brand New, factory soldering
Tested on the A3640, works fine
For A3640, WarpEngine, CyberStorm MK2, GVP 2040cards...
- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1
- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b
For working, you must install the 68060.library v46.7 from Phase5 in Sys:Libs/ or the MMU package from Thor (on Aminet)
50 euros including shipping WW Priority no tracking in friend/gift Paypal mode
or + 6 euros if you want registred/tracking
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040/060 adapter for Amiga Classic
Brand New, factory soldering
Tested on the A3640, works fine
For A3640, WarpEngine, CyberStorm MK2, GVP 2040cards...
- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1
- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b
For working, you must install the 68060.library v46.7 from Phase5 in Sys:Libs/ or the MMU package from Thor (on Aminet)
50 euros including shipping WW Priority no tracking in friend/gift Paypal mode
or + 6 euros if you want registred/tracking
:)
What is the purpose of this adapter?
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What is the purpose of this adapter?
Installing a 68060 on the 040 only card !
Like the 3640, GVP 2040, GVP TRex 3040 & 4040...
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Installing a 68060 on the 040 only card !
Like the 3640, GVP 2040, GVP TRex 3040 & 4040...
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hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?
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hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?
Good question : not yet tested for now, but should works !
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hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?
A lot of things Cosmos *does not* say. This adapter will not work with a 68060. It will only work with a 68EC060 or a 68LC060, i.e. with the CPU variants that come without an FPU. It is usually not much a loss, though. The problem is that the 68040 boards typically lack a boot ROM that deactivates the 68060 FPU. What he also does not say is that this still limits the memory bandwidth of the CPU to that of the 68040 board. That is, if you have the typical 25Mhz/68040 board, then even though the CPU will run at 50MHz, memory access will be slow and limited to that of a 25Mhz design. IOWs, a terrible waste for a perfectly fine CPU.
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This adapter will not work with a 68060. It will only work with a 68EC060 or a 68LC060, i.e. with the CPU variants that come without an FPU
Another troll against me : full 060 with MMU & FPU are working perfectly with the special exec.library v45.20b, it's clearly written in my ad...
She have only a very little init at the beginning for disabling the Fpu... After that, SetPatch load the 68060.library and enable the Fpu
And as always, you are talking about things who don't know and never tried : with a 060, the 3640 for example, is much more faster than with a 040...
You will pay a very high price for trolling me all the time, you will see...
For me, you are a spy in our community : working and paid by Microsoft and/or Apple to destroy the Amiga by the inside...
Let me guess, you are a member of the famous sect who destroy the whole world and the humans ?
==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8kK_uyvsVc
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Another troll against me : full 060 with MMU & FPU are working perfectly with the special exec.library v45.20b, it's clearly written in my ad...
For which you have no copyright on, and no rights to distribute it... Exactly.
You will pay a very high price for trolling me all the time, you will see...
I can hardly wait.
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For which you have no copyright on, and no rights to distribute it... Exactly
I explained many times : Amiga is on a survival situation, things are different, and Bill McEwen who is certainly a member of the famous sect (where he find millions dollars to puchase Amiga Inc . many year ago ??) block us since a very long time. He never replied at my 2 emails... You perfectly know that.
I can hardly wait.
Will be automatic. I have nothing to do. You friends Bill Gates and Bill McEwen will be unable to protect you...
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I explained many times : Amiga is on a survival situation, things are different, and Bill McEwen who is certainly a member of the famous sect (where he find millions dollars to puchase Amiga Inc . many year ago ??) block us since a very long time. He never replied at my 2 emails... You perfectly know that.
No, I do not know that, but it is irrelevant for the matter - you do not have any legal rights for redistribution or modification, no matter whether you "tried to" or not.
BTW, Cloanto sells Kickstart licences for 1 Euro / piece. Why not contact them? Too much money for a legal product, I assume?
The fact remains that you sell a piece of hardware (without providing proper warranty as a dealer, but as a private person) you haven't designed (i.e. based on the work of others), requiring a software you do not own (also based on the work of others), with parameters the average user is not able to use (i.e. 68060 with the blank kickstart 3.1 -> non-working machine), giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system (which would run at full memory bandwidth, and not at a bandwidth of a 25 or 33Mhz system).
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giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system
"Proper" 68060 accelerators are like hen's teeth. Just sayin'...
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No, I do not know that, but it is irrelevant for the matter - you do not have any legal rights for redistribution or modification, no matter whether you "tried to" or not.
The Amiga is in a special configuration today, with a lot of problems, it's completley different than in the 85-95 period... All the "elite" have to cooperate with very low price, sharing code, email answers, help each other : and it's absolutly not the case...
Oh wait, I'm not a member of the famous sect ? I understand now...
BTW, Cloanto sells Kickstart licences for 1 Euro / piece. Why not contact them? Too much money for a legal product, I assume ?
I started to explain the little hack 1MB Kickstart for the 500/2000 in mars 2010 on my blog. And in 2015, five years after, we have a new one of 512 Ko without the workbench.library and buggy with the floppy ?! Really, it's not serious...
Again, you perfectly know that : you are on forum attacking me with wrong arguments, and my crappy english won't be an excuse...
The fact remains that you sell a piece of hardware (without providing proper warranty as a dealer, but as a private person) you haven't designed (i.e. based on the work of others)
Again, you are talking without any knowledge and only to troll me : I asked the Mozart email because banned at Apex via MP on a1k.org and no answer... I wanna give him some $$$, but without email it's difficult !
parameters the average user is not able to use (i.e. 68060 with the blank kickstart 3.1 -> non-working machine)
Customers are free to purchase, I force nobody
giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system (which would run at full memory bandwidth, and not at a bandwidth of a 25 or 33Mhz system)
The only card who is really well designed for the 060 is the MK3 : all the other are castrated with this CPU. Again, you perfectly know that, and it's only for trolling me...
(Oups, maybe the TekMagik 2060 and the GBA1060 too, but I don't know these cards, never checked them at home)
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giving a performance that is below-average compared to a properly designed 68060 system
A3660 with 060@60 WITHOUT the 2removedwaitstate mode
chip $00020000 readw 886.9 ns normal 2.3 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readl 888.2 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readm 887.7 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writew 569.3 ns normal 3.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writel 570.4 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writem 570.0 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s
CyberStorm MK3 060@72
chip $00020000 readw 896.9 ns normal 2.2 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readl 898.1 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 readm 897.6 ns normal 4.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writew 569.1 ns normal 3.5 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writel 569.5 ns normal 7.0 * 10^6 byte/s
chip $00020000 writem 569.6 ns normal 7.1 * 10^6 byte/s
Ok, the fastram is faster on the MK3, but on the chipmem it's equal...
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A Ok, the fastram is faster on the MK3, but on the chipmem it's equal...
What a surprise. Guess what: I get the same chip ram performance with a 030@25Mhz as well. The bottleneck is not the CPU, the bottleneck is the bus chip ram. I doubt that you're operating on solid grounds here. First, you sell a product under claims it does not satisfy. That would be called fraud. It does not run a 68060 on a standard machine (fact!). Second, you provide a workaround in software derived from a product you do not own, neither obtained a license for, even though it is available for little money. That's called a copyright violation. Last, you act as a dealer, by the amount of products (hardware) you sell, yet - do you actually pay any taxes on this income? If not, this would be tax fraud. Thank you, Cosmos. Please get your business straight. First, don't make false claims about the capabilities of the hardware you sell, and inform users properly here when making any offers. Second, get the licenses if you want to offer software. If you need a contact to Cloanto or Hyperion, ask. Amiga, Inc. is certainly *not* the right party to approach. Third, create a business. Nothing of that is "black magic" or in any way particularly complicated.
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Ain't it time to stop throwing thrash at each other?
I serially thought the Amiga community was just that, a community where people with similar interests could share knowledge and experience with other hobbyists...
This being said. If someone are sitting on copyrights and want royalties for them, ain't it their problem in collecting them?
As a hobbyist myself i think it is just fair to take payment for the work i do. And if i do work in someone else territory, it is their choice to collect on any claims regarding copyrights or not.
As far as the amiga goes. Ain't it time to realize it is quite DEAD in development. Dead in the matter of, there are no big companies developing the main platform any further.
Commodore is bust, Escom is bust and there are no one else to take control of the future direction. And there are no advancements in the cpu systems for the platform.
The only progress made in the last 15 years are made of hobbyist dedicating their spare time to develop expansions to an aging old hardware platform.
It really saddens me reading all this hostility from the members of a community i really enjoyed and loved some years back...
As for this adapter of Cosmos goes. If i understand correctly it will boost the performance of a system made for the 040. Ok it wont be as fast as a full blown 060 system. But who cares, for real who cares? the system was not designed that way in the start.....
If it makes a good system faster, ain't it worth it?
And as far as taxes goes...
If i understand correctly, Cosmos is from France.
And like most European countries you are actually allowed to have a hobby, and you are allowed to make money of it. At least up to a certain point.
In my country, Norway you are allowed to make up to NOK 4000,- on a hobby before you are obliged to pay tax of it. That is the equivalent of 500 EUR or nearly 600 USD. (however, if you are a collector. You can make an unlimited amount of money on a sale without paying tax)
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As a hobbyist myself i think it is just fair to take payment for the work i do. And if i do work in someone else territory, it is their choice to collect on any claims regarding copyrights or not.
If you take somebody else's work, you need follow the rules its creators have set. Like it or not.
The only progress made in the last 15 years are made of hobbyist dedicating their spare time to develop expansions to an aging old hardware platform.
And Hobbyists do not need to respect copyright?
As for this adapter of Cosmos goes. If i understand correctly it will boost the performance of a system made for the 040. Ok it wont be as fast as a full blown 060 system. But who cares, for real who cares? the system was not designed that way in the start.....
If it makes a good system faster, ain't it worth it?
Maybe. But then again, if I offer my work, I should really state clearly what it does and what it does not. I cannot sell a work - for money - under false or incomplete claims. Fair is fair. I need to state what it does, and what it does not. I cannot say "Replaces a 68040 by a 68060" because exactly that it cannot do. I can say "Ok, couple of drawbacks: Either use a 68LC060, no FPU, or you need to find some other means to get the machine working, unfortunately I cannot provide binaries due to copyright reasons", or "I can provide binaries because I bought a license for 1€ you need to pay on top". That would be all ok.
Otherwise, if I as an end user would buy it, and would install it, and would see my machine crashing, I would honestly feel being ripped off. Even more so if there is no warranty.
Thus, to come back to your initial question. "Ain't it worth?", I can only say that in order to estimate the value of a product, I need to know what it does, its advantages but also its drawbacks.
That's not what happens here, and that is what *saddens me*. It looks to me like a rip-off of users, of users unaware of the technical problems such an adapter creates, and unaware of it being (potentially) dependent on a pirated piece of software if you want to avoid its drawbacks partially.
If i understand correctly, Cosmos is from France.
And like most European countries you are actually allowed to have a hobby, and you are allowed to make money of it. At least up to a certain point.
Indeed, *up to a certain point*. Given the amount of stuff Cosmos sells, it seems not too unlikely to me that he is beyond this certain point. He seems to make a living from selling stuff here, and on ebay, stuff with questionable quality, and of questionable source, with questionable statements on its value.
That's not what I consider a fair deal for Amiga users, leave alone for the people that do pay their taxes - and somebody has to say.
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GWT..... and somebody has to say.
Seems like you have taken it personally to do so..
Why?
To be honest i could not care less about copyrights on a product of any kind that has long since lived its life.
Who are still alive to claim the copyrights?
If you are talking about the 060.library, who owns the original license?
Today, 50EUR for a piece of hardware of any kind is considered pocket change. You barely cover the cost of production.
And why do you take it so personal about someone elses copyright claim about the darn library? What is in it for you? really?
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@ Cosmos
You don't happen to have an A2000(rev. 6.2 or newer) motherboard for sale?
Or know of anyone?
I want to put my fusion to use, and it wont work in the rev 4.0 MB
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@thread
nothing wrong with argument, but no more name-calling, please. :)
-- eliyahu
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That's not what happens here, and that is what *saddens me*. It looks to me like a rip-off of users, of users unaware of the technical problems such an adapter creates
I wouldn't buy a Honda and expect it to perform like a Ferrari. But maybe I just assume that the technical knowledge of an Amiga user is well above that of your "average Joe" computer user, lol. :lol:
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I'll say this, I think this whole argument is disrespectful - A fellow Amiga user has passed away and I think you chaps should take a step back and think about the things that are truly important in life.
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I'll say this, I think this whole argument is disrespectful - A fellow Amiga user has passed away and I think you chaps should take a step back and think about the things that are truly important in life.
I agree, the most important question I think that Cosmos raised is: Thor are you a member of the Illuminati or the Knights Templar, and if so:
1) How many spells per day can you cast?
2) Is that from Divine or Magic spheres?
3) How many proficiencies per level do you get?
4) What is your THAC0 looking like at your level?
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Man, I wish I had more knowledge and experience working with Amiga hardware (A3000 with A3640) to buy your chip adapter. Keep up your good work.
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The 040-060 adapter by Mozart is quite a nice little upgrade if you can find an 060 at a reasonable price.
Thor does bring up an important point that Cosmos is selling someone else's design which happens to be open-sourced. For the price that Cosmos is charging it's more or less just his labor to assemble the board which is a reasonable, not-scalping price. The PCBs and components are easily $25 USD. So if Cosmos is charging 25-30EUR for his labor to assemble the device, I can't really see that is profiteering or scalping.
The adapter usually takes someone at least an hour to assemble if you have some skill at soldering.
The exec.library patch that Cosmos hands out was developed by Speedgeek and Speedgeek specifically gifted this code to Cosmos to use as he sees fit. Cosmos was originally just handing out the .pch file for users to apply to their own exec.library.
The patched exec.library can be burnt to a custom kickstart if someone knows how to do that. Assuming the user is not duplicating their kickstart and just fixing a bug or oversight in exec.library I don't see a problem with that. The patched exec.library can also be dropped in Deneb ROM space or possibly in an eflash or a kickflash.
There are certain situations where someone might own an 060-capable board that currently has an 040 and be able to run that board *faster* and more stably than it was set to true 060 mode. For example if you had an 060 capable board that when it was clocked at 66MHz it became unstable with an 060 in 060 mode, if you used that same board as an 040 board-with the 060 adapter at 33MHz, the board would still clock the memory at 33MHz and may end up being stable running the 060 at 66MHz where it might not be stable in 060 mode running at 66MHz. Same for an 060 at 80MHz, run the board at 40MHz, memory and onboard logic running at 40MHz, but the 060 runs at 80MHz.
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The 040-060 adapter by Mozart is quite a nice little upgrade if you can find an 060 at a reasonable price.
Thor does bring up an important point that Cosmos is selling someone else's design which happens to be open-sourced. For the price that Cosmos is charging it's more or less just his labor to assemble the board which is a reasonable, not-scalping price. The PCBs and components are easily $25 USD. So if Cosmos is charging 25-30EUR for his labor to assemble the device, I can't really see that is profiteering or scalping.
The adapter usually takes someone at least an hour to assemble if you have some skill at soldering.
That was my point. the pricing of the adapter ain't that much of a deal.
The exec.library patch that Cosmos hands out was developed by Speedgeek and Speedgeek specifically gifted this code to Cosmos to use as he sees fit. Cosmos was originally just handing out the .pch file for users to apply to their own exec.library.
The patched exec.library can be burnt to a custom kickstart if someone knows how to do that. Assuming the user is not duplicating their kickstart and just fixing a bug or oversight in exec.library I don't see a problem with that. The patched exec.library can also be dropped in Deneb ROM space or possibly in an eflash or a kickflash.
I have no clue of this. But IMHO if anyone makes a patch to an existing library and instead chose to deliver prepatched files. what is really the difference, i cant see the reason for the complaints on this matter....
There are certain situations where someone might own an 060-capable board that currently has an 040 and be able to run that board *faster* and more stably than it was set to true 060 mode. For example if you had an 060 capable board that when it was clocked at 66MHz it became unstable with an 060 in 060 mode, if you used that same board as an 040 board-with the 060 adapter at 33MHz, the board would still clock the memory at 33MHz and may end up being stable running the 060 at 66MHz where it might not be stable in 060 mode running at 66MHz. Same for an 060 at 80MHz, run the board at 40MHz, memory and onboard logic running at 40MHz, but the 060 runs at 80MHz.
A better detailed point i was trying to make. It would still be e good upgrade from a stock 040 system.
Id love to test this on my fusion. But i have no A2000 motherboard that can run the fusion. only got two rev 4.0 boards....
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Man, I wish I had more knowledge and experience working with Amiga hardware (A3000 with A3640) to buy your chip adapter. Keep up your good work.
It's not a hard task to build this setup, AFAIK and just from my real experience it involves the following :
- The A3000 must work at 25Mhz. Mine was a 16Mhz model; but I overclocked it time ago so no problem here.
- The best KS in terms of compatibility is 3.1 (of course!); so upgrade is a must.
- You'll need to make a hole in the FDD plate. The CPU tower is taller now. The right FDD must be placed at the left.
- You can't easily use a full 060 (needs a library patched, the one that caused all that fuss in the thread). I opted from the beginning for an EC model, although cool I don't really need FPU and this way I'm avoiding problems about any legal status.
All worked great and I must say I'm happy with the adapter. I think Cosmos always stated from the beginning the drawbacks of the product. Looking for info before a purchase is always a great idea, the lower RAM bus performance is a well-known problem; but as has been already stated, it's absolutely impossible to find a full 060 accelerator for A3000. I already have one in my A1200 and paid a fortune, I don't want to sell one of my kidneys for another one.
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I wouldn't buy a Honda and expect it to perform like a Ferrari. But maybe I just assume that the technical knowledge of an Amiga user is well above that of your "average Joe" computer user, lol. :lol:
That's the problem. *You* probably know that, and you probably know the limitations. But you cannot assume that the average user does.
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Man, I wish I had more knowledge and experience working with Amiga hardware (A3000 with A3640) to buy your chip adapter. Keep up your good work.
"Good work" as in "taking somebody else's results and sell them"? Be serious. If you want to provide credits, address who earns the credits.
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Seems like you have taken it personally to do so..
Why?
Because here a product is sold, with certain drawbacks that are not clearly announced to the average user. This is not your "make your 040 board a 060 board adapter", as claimed. If I would just buy this product, and install it as advertized, I would get just a crash. Plus, even when installed with a proper processor (i.e. without an FPU), it will not perform as good as a native 68060/50Mhz design. Instead, its creator tries to cheat away with some "chip ram bandwidth" numbers that are complete bogus for the purpose of the evaluation of the board.
Do you call that "good business practise"?
If you sell a product, you'd better call your customers what it does and what it does not.
And why do you take it so personal about someone elses copyright claim about the darn library? What is in it for you? really?
I do not care about my 68060.library here, really. That's provided under the license terms it came with, free of charge, for everyone. Download it from Aminet, be happy. That's all use within the license, so that'll be fine. *That* is not my problem.
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@Thomas
Geez man, give it a rest.
Every bit of information of the 040/060 adapter is out in the open, and i dont agree with your claim that Cosmos is hiding information to his buyers. Go attac IComp regarding hiding information instead if this is your life mission.
About Cosmos making a profit of others work. I really dont see this argument either. The 040/060 adapter is opensource and everybody is free to make one. If i want to pay a friend for making it for me i really dont see the fuzz. I paid a dude money for making an IDE cable for me once. Is he stealing/profiting of the original IDE cable designers also? 50 EUR for his adapter is a very reasonable price thinking about the time i would spend making it myself. You would probably disagree, but if the adapter dont work, i would think Cosmos would provide good support, and if it is a fault in the build i think he would fix it without hesitation. So basicly this adapter comes with a guarantee.
Regarding the exec.lib patch. Here i can see your point, but who in their right mind cares? As Pyrre said, i really dont see the differece between a patch file, or a patched binary of the exec either.
And last. Cosmos.. Illuminati? Really? :)
Cheers! :)
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That's the problem. *You* probably know that, and you probably know the limitations. But you cannot assume that the average user does.
Anyone that has been in the Amiga scene for little more than a while knows there are differences between the 040 and the 060 design.
Well aware of the differences i cant see your point. I cant see why you insist on flaming Cosmos. What has he done you wrong.
There are some more hobbyists in the general computer scenes that builds adapters based on some others design end sell it. Someone even with a profit.
Because here a product is sold, with certain drawbacks that are not clearly announced to the average user. This is not your "make your 040 board a 060 board adapter", as claimed. If I would just buy this product, and install it as advertized, I would get just a crash. Plus, even when installed with a proper processor (i.e. without an FPU), it will not perform as good as a native 68060/50Mhz design. Instead, its creator tries to cheat away with some "chip ram bandwidth" numbers that are complete bogus for the purpose of the evaluation of the board.
Do you call that "good business practise"?
If you sell a product, you'd better call your customers what it does and what it does not.
If you don't understand how or what the "device" is about, you can always ask questions about it.
And in the case you complain about memory drawbacks... Hello.... The board you are attaching a 060 onto was not made for the darn 060.
You hack it onto another design. of course there will be drawbacks.
But i can live with those drawbacks if the hack gains performance...
That is what the whole adapter is all about, if I'm not mistaken.....
Business practice, what is your point. as i see it, cosmos has made no attempt of hiding any information... You came in flaming him long before i even got to ask any followup questions...
I do not care about my 68060.library here, really. That's provided under the license terms it came with, free of charge, for everyone. Download it from Aminet, be happy. That's all use within the license, so that'll be fine. *That* is not my problem.
Then why is there such a problem with the exec.library?
Cosmos ain't the only one making patches for it. AFAIK...
Regardless of content, a search on aminet posts no less than 6 exec.library patches....
If someone took his time to apply all the patches to the lib and put the patched binary back on aminet. would that be a violation?
What are your complains about, for real....?
@Thomas
Geez man, give it a rest.
Every bit of information of the 040/060 adapter is out in the open, and i dont agree with your claim that Cosmos is hiding information to his buyers. Go attac IComp regarding hiding information instead if this is your life mission.
About Cosmos making a profit of others work. I really dont see this argument either. The 040/060 adapter is opensource and everybody is free to make one. If i want to pay a friend for making it for me i really dont see the fuzz. I paid a dude money for making an IDE cable for me once. Is he stealing/profiting of the original IDE cable designers also? 50 EUR for his adapter is a very reasonable price thinking about the time i would spend making it myself. You would probably disagree, but if the adapter dont work, i would think Cosmos would provide good support, and if it is a fault in the build i think he would fix it without hesitation. So basicly this adapter comes with a guarantee.
Regarding the exec.lib patch. Here i can see your point, but who in their right mind cares? As Pyrre said, i really dont see the differece between a patch file, or a patched binary of the exec either.
And last. Cosmos.. Illuminati? Really? :)
Cheers! :)
yea i agree....
I have no doubts about Cosmos service, at all...
but, can we please get back on topic...?
just, please...
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Business practice, what is your point. as i see it, cosmos has made no attempt of hiding any information... You came in flaming him long before i even got to ask any followup questions...
Oh, really. So look at the title of the thread. This is sold as a 68060 adapter. Which it is not. It's a 68LC060 adapter, at best. Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes. Where is the "use with a 68LC060 or you run into trouble" disclaimer? Where is this "memory bandwidth limited by the board" disclaimer?
And what about the memory bandwidth tests? Be serious - if you want a serious product, state serious numbers and not the result of a bogus test.
Then why is there such a problem with the exec.library?
Cosmos ain't the only one making patches for it. AFAIK...
Just because everybody crosses the road at red lights, it must certainly be ok... What kind of an argument is this?
If he sells a product, and it's only 1€ on top for getting the proper license, will that really stop anyone buying it? Instead, he's just giving lame excuses.
It's just another example that, apparently, for the majority of the "community" software is just some sort of rubbish that isn't worth a penny (or, one Euro, for that matter), yet good enough to sell their own hardware.
If someone took his time to apply all the patches to the lib and put the patched binary back on aminet. would that be a violation?
Yes. It's not your library, is it?
What are your complains about, for real....?
I already stated that. Here for you again:
- Taking somebody else's design and selling it
- Not properly advocating the problems of the design
- Depending on pirated software to work around design limitations
- Providing "bogus measurements" to wiggle around the design problems.
Please be honest with the users and your customers.
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- Taking somebody else's design and selling it
- Not properly advocating the problems of the design
- Depending on pirated software to work around design limitations
- Providing "bogus measurements" to wiggle around the design problems.
I dont see this as pirating software. I own my kickstarts and have paid licence for them when purchasing my amigas. Its my right to do whatever i want with the kickstarts. If i pay a friend to help me patch it i dont see how that is any different. Im paying for Cosmos time and rom chips as i see it. Going to the postoffice for example. I think i paid 14 EUR for two rom chips with the patched software. If he makes a couple of euros, who cares?!
And it is not like the one who holds the licences is loosing any money on this. Are they providing this service? No they arent, and they never will.
And what "design problems".. you mean the a3640 design it self? The a3640 has slooow mem access. Nothing will change that.. unless you add speedgeeks waitstate mod, which could in theory run an 040@50mhz.. Add a 060 on top of that @100mhz. voila you have a better product than the original with NO drawbacks compared to the original design mem wise... and wait wait.. what about speedgeeks waitstate mod. is that also pirating and profiting on the original designers?
Se my other post for answers on your other precious points made..
I think you are completely unreasonable here...
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I'm going to refrain myself from commenting any further on this matter.
It is clearly that Mr. Richter has a personal grudge against Cosmos. And i don't want to be part of another flamewar resulting in yet another active and productive member of an already fragile community leaving. We have lost to many already because of SILLY arguments like these going out of hands.
Have a nice evening my fellow amigans, and have a nice summer.
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Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes.
Considering all the discussion about original post in Amiga Marketplace Forum and in this thread, I assume this claim is at least now false :D
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"Good work" as in "taking somebody else's results and sell them"? Be serious. If you want to provide credits, address who earns the credits.
So definitely not you, who all you do is to police and undermine the efforts of others trying to keep the dream alive. You act like a pimp safeguarding somebody's else "merchandise."
Let the owners of the respective patents to speak by themselves; you can't pretend knowing what they are thinking or would do.
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This is sold as a 68060 adapter. Which it is not. It's a 68LC060 adapter, at best. Nothing in the thread tells the user the problems this causes. Where is the "use with a 68LC060 or you run into trouble" disclaimer?
On the first post.
"- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1
- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b"
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Its pretty sad when an enterprising amiga user makes a super cool add on board for a3640 that was only dreamed of before. The community is very small we dont need this kind of thing: ppl giving a small developer a hard time.
Thanks for the project cosmos
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"Good work" as in "taking somebody else's results and sell them"? Be serious. If you want to provide credits, address who earns the credits.
Well Thomas since not everyone can solder. I would assume he was talking about "good work" as in providing a finished product. As for Cosmos providing credit. Maybe I'm seeing things but he provided credit etched on the board itself. As for the rest of this little battle you and Cosmos seem to have I'll stay out of it.
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On the first post.
"- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1
- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b"
In that case, I stand corrected. I saw this post out of sequence, without the context. So sorry about the rant.
Please be still aware that the major trouble is here the bandwidth limitation of most 040 based cards (unless they have been designed for the 060 already). The 3640, for example, has a pretty low memory bandwidth that hurts performance noticably. Thus, a 060 on this board helps less than you would like to.
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I have an lc060 which was on a csppc (borrowed from a good friend). When I tried to install it it wouldnt work with the standard drivers by phase5 until I found out its not a full 68060. Once exchanged to a full 68060 no problem.
Can you post some cpu speed tests cosmos?
Also, sent you a pm here about caps for my cdtv genlock card, thanks for replying!
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In that case, I stand corrected. I saw this post out of sequence, without the context. So sorry about the rant.
So you just spent a couple of days very rudely ripping into Cosmos over something that you never read?
I'd say that that needs an explicit apology to Cosmos, not just a generic "I stand corrected". You were rude, crude, immature and offensive - over something that you didn't read, and when your errors were pointed out, you failed to listen to anyone else. You just continued your rant and flaming, extending your vitriol to everyone who was speaking the truth which you failed to recognize because YOU NEVER EVEN READ WHAT YOU WERE RAVING AGAINST.
I didn't participate in this "discussion" because I didn't have a stake in it or have enough technical knowledge to have an opinion. But now I will say, even as a bystander, I was offended by your behavior. You reminded me of a 5 year old running around the playground yelling "liar, liar, pants on fire". Grown-ups don't behave like this - especially since you were the one lying.