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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Nick_66 on June 05, 2016, 05:21:01 PM
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I can buy a Amiga 600 which was nerver been opened (seal underneath is not broken).
Is it worth buying a Amiga 600? What would be a reasonable price for a A600 in good condition?
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I can buy a Amiga 600 which was nerver been opened (seal underneath is not broken).
Is it worth buying a Amiga 600? What would be a reasonable price for a A600 in good condition?
It all depends how much you want it, what's included and HOW well it's been treated. Check for missing screws, bent or missing pins in the pcmcia, expansion port and rear connectors.
I bought one last year for around 300-350$ with no box, only a shoddy mouse, the low-wattage PSU, missing screws and it was full of dirt. It smelled like cat urin...
But it's living the happy days now, with a 604n, rtc clock module, CF card, and soon maybe a Indivision and a rapidroad? :-P
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This is the seal of the A600:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7y3NVPKmGOrMEdncld2Slpna0U
Looks like that the seal has been replaced? Could that be possible?
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I bought one last year for around 300-350$
I think you can get one for about a third of that depending on where you are. I bought another a few months ago (in Sweden) for half of that in good (not completely yellowed) condition, fully in order with a hard drive, and thought it was a bit high... But they'd just started taking orders for Vampire 2, so I thought what the heck, the price might go up shortly...
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Looks like that the seal has been replaced? Could that be possible?
Looks like it has been opened and sealed again with another seal. New seals were for sale on eBay a few years ago.
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I can buy a Amiga 600 which was nerver been opened (seal underneath is not broken).
Is it worth buying a Amiga 600? What would be a reasonable price for a A600 in good condition?
Keep in mind the Amiga 600 has a pretty good upgrade path:
- Built in IDE port
- PCMCIA for Networking
And the Vampire 600 accelerator gives it 68060+ performance, AGA compatibility, HDMI out, and eventually SD storage.. for 150EU.
http://www.kipper2k.com/accel600.html
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Long the unwanted street urchin of the Amiga world, the 600 is becoming quite popular these days - a slew of new expansions have been developed that break past the traditional expandability barriers that kept the 600 from achieving the higher performance of other models.
So what it boils down to is: do you want an Amiga in a very small footprint at the expense of the numeric pad? If so, then go for the 600 :)
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Sealed doesnt mean much as you will want to open it anyway if you want to install a hdd, recap or even go the vampire way....
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Long the unwanted street urchin of the Amiga world, the 600 is becoming quite popular these days - a slew of new expansions have been developed that break past the traditional expandability barriers that kept the 600 from achieving the higher performance of other models.
So what it boils down to is: do you want an Amiga in a very small footprint at the expense of the numeric pad? If so, then go for the 600 :)
It's getting quite popular because of the Vampire/Apollo. But unless you want an A600 or are desperate to get hold of these upgrades today (which I believe is quite difficult) then it's probably not that great an idea.
I think it's too early to say whether the A600 will get thrown back onto the streets again.
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The A600 I had my eyes on, has just been sold! This was a really nice white one.
I think I am going to skip the Amiga 600. I already own two A1200 and two A500 (A500 and A500+)
Anyway, thanks for all your replies to my question!
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I think it's too early to say whether the A600 will get thrown back onto the streets again.
These are hard to find and with reason...
*Cheap CompactFlash HD on the IDE header
*Cheap CompactFlash to PCMCIA to transfer files from a PC
*Inexpensive and plentiful accelerator
*ECS chipset
*Composite output
I've had an A600 before and sold it, kinda kicking myself.
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I think it's too early to say whether the A600 will get thrown back onto the streets again.
I don't expect it to be thrown back in the streets again. The last couple of years, the A600 finally reached maturity and I expect it is here to stay.
The small advantages it had from the beginning (small footprint, internal IDE, PCMCIA) grew bigger when time passed by and with several new hardware add ons (such as the Indivision ECS, A604, ACA620/630, Vampire 600), it became a very nice Amiga which could be easily expanded.
Currently, it's my favorite old school computer, with my A1200/2000/3000 sitting in a cupboard.
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I don't expect it to be thrown back in the streets again. The last couple of years, the A600 finally reached maturity and I expect it is here to stay.
Excluding the vampire it hasn't caught up with what was available for the a1200 twenty years ago. The vampire is only on the a600 because there were no accelerators for it. Once it's done then the a1200 version is likely to be better and sell more.
Sure if you absolutely must have a small footprint amiga with a painfully slow and incompatible ide and pcmcia bus, or hate numeric keypads. Then an A600 is great. I wouldn't expect it to be the development mule for the next generation of vampire though.
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I can buy a Amiga 600 which was nerver been opened (seal underneath is not broken).
Is it worth buying a Amiga 600? What would be a reasonable price for a A600 in good condition?
There is no worth or value proposition for the Amiga Hobby in general imho.
This is a hobby and it could be a fun project. If your goal is tinker and have fun with a ecs machine and all the software that will run on it, this is the project for you!
If you want to go for high resolution RTG for prettier workbenches and productivity, then this may not be the best route to take.
I never owned a 600 (in fact it is the only version I never owned:) so I have no idea about caps and such, but I would look into it. The next question is are you handy with wedge Amiga's? I myself own a 1200 and learned very quickly that I lacked the sophistication of many of the Amiga users here. I added to my 1200 and tweaked it and it was a pain trying to get it reliable, it just wasn't fun but frustrating. Being the simpleton Big Box Amiga's were the way to go for me, since adding a zorro card is pretty simple and run reliably. I hope the vampire makes it to 3/4k's someday!
No idea on pricing.
Good luck!
Matt
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Well, the search continues. First I want to upgrade my A1200 and recap it myself. The A600 has been sold :(
Maybe in the future if I can find a very nice A600, I will purchase one.
For now, I am happy with my A500 and A1200 collection.
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...Sure if you absolutely must have a small footprint amiga with a painfully slow and incompatible ide and pcmcia bus, or hate numeric keypads. Then an A600 is great. I wouldn't expect it to be the development mule for the next generation of vampire though.
Can you explain why the A600's IDE and PCMCIA bus is incompatible?
It's working for me without any problems.
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Can you explain why the A600's IDE and PCMCIA bus is incompatible?
It's working for me without any problems.
Same here. What's incompatible with the A600's IDE and PCMCIA bus? I know the PCMCIA on the A600 predates the official specifications of the standard, but in practice, it works reliably with memorycards, networkcards, SCSI-controllers and mass storage devices. What more could you want from a 25 year old homecomputer?
Even 'slow' is relative. Yes, there are faster options to connect hardware to an Amiga, especially if you have a big box Amiga, but it's very nice to have both PCMCIA (which I use with a 3C589-card) and internal IDE (which I use with a 4 GB DOM flash drive) on board.
Plenty fast as far as you can call a homecomputer from the early 90-ies 'fast'. It's compact and it has plenty 'oomph' with my ACA630 and Indivision ECS on board.
I agree the A1200 has more options when it comes to turboboards and is an overall more powerful machine, but the A600 has become a very nice Amiga with plenty of expansion options.
When it just came out, there was no good reason for its existence, but in recent years it has gained a proud place among the other Amigamodels.
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I'd say the A600 is the hottest Amiga since the unreleased A3000+ we should have received back in 1990 the latest.
Why just look at this:
GASP! Photoshop.... your high school art teacher said it wasn't possible on an "outdated" Amiga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5d_y7FcpdI
STAR WARS GAMES???!!! Yes game companies colluded / conspired to create the false narrative that such stuff was impossible on the Amiga to drive more lucrative PC and Mac sales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gumNvcrIOj0
UAE FAST PC emulator Workbench Installs on an AMIGA!!!?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgjRtPyMs5U
Gotta love the Vampire team. Where official "IP" holders fail to deliver even one product they deliver THREE fully developed upgrades in one product.
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With the new expansions available to the 600, would it be possible too add USB port and usable Internet connectivity? If those were possible, and I think they are, they would set the 600 above straight hardware emulation such as the FPGA Replay and FPGA MiST.
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With the new expansions available to the 600, would it be possible too add USB port and usable Internet connectivity? If those were possible, and I think they are, they would set the 600 above straight hardware emulation such as the FPGA Replay and FPGA MiST.
With a clockport you can add a RapidRoad for great USB usability. Many already have. And with the PCMCIA port you have all kinds of options for adding a network card, so I think you're already covered on both fronts. :)
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Can you explain why the A600's IDE and PCMCIA bus is incompatible?
It's working for me without any problems.
I don't know why, I just know that some IDE drives won't work properly.
Relatively few PCMCIA cards have ever had drivers written and when I tried to hook up some new hardware then I could access the tuples but not the rest of the card.
I think the way they hooked it up either violates the spec, or doesn't talk exactly like a PC. As IDE drives and PCMCIA cards were created for and only tested with PC's, then you sometimes get problems because the devices themselves violate the spec.
I'd say the A600 is the hottest Amiga since the unreleased A3000+ we should have received back in 1990 the latest.
Why just look at this:
GASP! Photoshop.... your high school art teacher said it wasn't possible on an "outdated" Amiga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5d_y7FcpdI
STAR WARS GAMES???!!! Yes game companies colluded / conspired to create the false narrative that such stuff was impossible on the Amiga to drive more lucrative PC and Mac sales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gumNvcrIOj0
UAE FAST PC emulator Workbench Installs on an AMIGA!!!?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgjRtPyMs5U
Gotta love the Vampire team. Where official "IP" holders fail to deliver even one product they deliver THREE fully developed upgrades in one product.
That software isn't running on a a600, it's running on a vampire. The a600 is just being used for the keyboard and mouse.
Deciding to make it for the a600 first was essentially random. If you want an a600 and a vampire then great. However an a500 and a vampire, or an a1200 and a vampire will be just as good. Maybe they will do a Macintosh upgrade next.
The A3000+ was better than the A4000 but it certainly wouldn't have kept the Amiga going for any longer. It was always the cheaper amigas that made the huge sales and the A1200 was generally regarded as being a good design. It didn't have the DSP, but I'm not sure you'd get it at the price point that the A1200 sold at anyway. Launched in 1990 the A1200 would likely have cost a lot more, especially if it was better than what actually launched. The Archimedes A3000 had things that would have been nice on the Amiga, but it was twice the price.
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Hi in regards to the other models of the Vampire. The A500 version is being finalized and tested as there are more features being added from the version seen in videos and forum posts. The A1200 Vampire is being worked on too.
Emulation is always a good indicator for performance and speed. Would love to see this kickstart REAL Amiga development in the scene. I really thing the standalone unit will be something and it that someting is Amiga, Mac, Atari, X68000 or a strange fusion etc then I'm cool with that.